So it turns out the venerable Lyle C Hess was right, in the long run - Americans are indeed interested in trailer sailing to avoid high marina costs, perhaps v now more than ever. I must say though, as a fully employed member of the list, I love having my boat on the water in one of Minnesota's 11,000 odd lakes; makes afternoon sailing far more accessible though arguably somewhat circular ;) Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/16/2015 9:18 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
George,
...and not even considering that the Marina and storage charges just keep going up and up every year.
Recently, someone on the M-List who was looking for an M15 told me that his California Marina charges for his 38 foot catamaran were now $1000 a month! That was the main reason he wanted to downsize and reduce his sailing costs.
When we downsized from our 29-footer in 1992, I had calculated that Marina dock space / winter storage fees / maintenance and upgrade materials / cost us $50 a day during the New England sailing season to enjoy sailing... What might be the costs be like today?
After finding / buying / and enjoying our M15 my calculation of M15 operating costs got to almost $0.
Winter storage was next to the garage with a cover over the boat. The only charges we paid to go sailing were ramp fees (free in many cases), and dockage fees when we were at a place like Lake Champlain, and they were - for a 15-footer - very small.
More sailing enjoyment; and lower costs. That's the way to go. It seems as if SAIL finally got the message.
Happy sailing
Connie
Connie
I was thinking the same thing that they found the Magazines covering smaller boat have been doing well. Also due to economic conditions and the aging of the fleet so to speak that downsizing is growing and as we know a smaller boat is easier to get on the water with the absence of a the need to round up crew to manage the boat.
George
-----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck [mailto:chbenneck@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 5:51 PM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Smanll Boats in a Big Boat Mag.
On 7/16/2015 4:58 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
Hi George,
Now that is surprising news about SAIL.
In the past, and that's when I quit subscribing, they just talked about bigger and ever bigger sailboats till the only "acceptable" sailboats in their eyes were something in the 40 foot and up size that cost at least $150K - without equipment.
Maybe they lost so many subscribers that they had to rethink their editorial policy, and swallowing their pride, now can talk about a 21 foot boat. Oh what a denouement ....!
Connie
Imagine my surprise when I opened my mailbox and found a Wrinkle Boat on the cover of the August issue of SAIL. It tuned out to be a Norseboat 21.5. Not
On 7/17/2015 5:57 PM, Dan Farrell wrote: Dan, I read you loud and clear. I too kept my M15 in the water at a local Connecticut lake marina, for exactly the same reasons you express. Jump in the car; drive 20 minutes to the Marina; get on board and go sailing... but only during the week, when I had the lake to myself. On weekends the lake was full of outboards pulling water skiers; pontoon boats; and PWCs charging about; total bedlam. Boating costs were still a very small fraction of what they had been with our big boat. Connie
So it turns out the venerable Lyle C Hess was right, in the long run - Americans are indeed interested in trailer sailing to avoid high marina costs, perhaps v now more than ever. I must say though, as a fully employed member of the list, I love having my boat on the water in one of Minnesota's 11,000 odd lakes; makes afternoon sailing far more accessible though arguably somewhat circular ;)
Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/16/2015 9:18 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
George,
...and not even considering that the Marina and storage charges just keep going up and up every year.
Recently, someone on the M-List who was looking for an M15 told me that his California Marina charges for his 38 foot catamaran were now $1000 a month! That was the main reason he wanted to downsize and reduce his sailing costs.
When we downsized from our 29-footer in 1992, I had calculated that Marina dock space / winter storage fees / maintenance and upgrade materials / cost us $50 a day during the New England sailing season to enjoy sailing... What might be the costs be like today?
After finding / buying / and enjoying our M15 my calculation of M15 operating costs got to almost $0.
Winter storage was next to the garage with a cover over the boat. The only charges we paid to go sailing were ramp fees (free in many cases), and dockage fees when we were at a place like Lake Champlain, and they were - for a 15-footer - very small.
More sailing enjoyment; and lower costs. That's the way to go. It seems as if SAIL finally got the message.
Happy sailing
Connie
Connie
I was thinking the same thing that they found the Magazines covering smaller boat have been doing well. Also due to economic conditions and the aging of the fleet so to speak that downsizing is growing and as we know a smaller boat is easier to get on the water with the absence of a the need to round up crew to manage the boat.
George
-----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck [mailto:chbenneck@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 5:51 PM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Smanll Boats in a Big Boat Mag.
On 7/16/2015 4:58 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
Hi George,
Now that is surprising news about SAIL.
In the past, and that's when I quit subscribing, they just talked about bigger and ever bigger sailboats till the only "acceptable" sailboats in their eyes were something in the 40 foot and up size that cost at least $150K - without equipment.
Maybe they lost so many subscribers that they had to rethink their editorial policy, and swallowing their pride, now can talk about a 21 foot boat. Oh what a denouement ....!
Connie
Imagine my surprise when I opened my mailbox and found a Wrinkle Boat on the cover of the August issue of SAIL. It tuned out to be a Norseboat 21.5. Not
Connie My story exactly since I downsized and no longer sail on Lake Michigan. Pine Lake in Indiana is listed as a Sports Lake and is a zoo on weekends. It is mainly populated by Chicago 2nd home people. Great Sailing and fishing during the week no place for sailors on weekends. GEorge -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Conbert Benneck Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 8:23 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Smanll Boats in a Big Boat Mag. On 7/17/2015 5:57 PM, Dan Farrell wrote: Dan, I read you loud and clear. I too kept my M15 in the water at a local Connecticut lake marina, for exactly the same reasons you express. Jump in the car; drive 20 minutes to the Marina; get on board and go sailing... but only during the week, when I had the lake to myself. On weekends the lake was full of outboards pulling water skiers; pontoon boats; and PWCs charging about; total bedlam. Boating costs were still a very small fraction of what they had been with our big boat. Connie
So it turns out the venerable Lyle C Hess was right, in the long run - Americans are indeed interested in trailer sailing to avoid high marina costs, perhaps v now more than ever. I must say though, as a fully employed member of the list, I love having my boat on the water in one of Minnesota's 11,000 odd lakes; makes afternoon sailing far more accessible though arguably somewhat circular ;)
Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/16/2015 9:18 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
George,
...and not even considering that the Marina and storage charges just keep going up and up every year.
Recently, someone on the M-List who was looking for an M15 told me that his California Marina charges for his 38 foot catamaran were now $1000 a month! That was the main reason he wanted to downsize and reduce his sailing costs.
When we downsized from our 29-footer in 1992, I had calculated that Marina dock space / winter storage fees / maintenance and upgrade materials / cost us $50 a day during the New England sailing season to enjoy sailing... What might be the costs be like today?
After finding / buying / and enjoying our M15 my calculation of M15 operating costs got to almost $0.
Winter storage was next to the garage with a cover over the boat. The only charges we paid to go sailing were ramp fees (free in many cases), and dockage fees when we were at a place like Lake Champlain, and they were - for a 15-footer - very small.
More sailing enjoyment; and lower costs. That's the way to go. It seems as if SAIL finally got the message.
Happy sailing
Connie
Connie
I was thinking the same thing that they found the Magazines covering smaller boat have been doing well. Also due to economic conditions and the aging of the fleet so to speak that downsizing is growing and as we know a smaller boat is easier to get on the water with the absence of a the need to round up crew to manage the boat.
George
-----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck [mailto:chbenneck@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 5:51 PM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Smanll Boats in a Big Boat Mag.
On 7/16/2015 4:58 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
Hi George,
Now that is surprising news about SAIL.
In the past, and that's when I quit subscribing, they just talked about bigger and ever bigger sailboats till the only "acceptable" sailboats in their eyes were something in the 40 foot and up size that cost at least $150K - without equipment.
Maybe they lost so many subscribers that they had to rethink their editorial policy, and swallowing their pride, now can talk about a 21 foot boat. Oh what a denouement ....!
Connie
Imagine my surprise when I opened my mailbox and found a Wrinkle Boat on the cover of the August issue of SAIL. It tuned out to be a Norseboat 21.5. Not
On 7/18/2015 1:10 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: Dan, ...but you can always put the boat on its trailer and head for Lake Huron and the wonderful sailing there - it my be circular, but the circle is a great deal larger. After all, even oceans are just overly huge lakes with boundaries on both sides. Small boundaries or large ones - your pick. The beauty of a trailerable boat is that after driving a few hours on an Interstate you can explore any number of totally new sailing areas. As East Coast dwellers we explored Maine / the Chesapeake / Florida Keys / Florida west coast / but we ran out of youth and vigor, otherwise the areas to explore would have been almost limitless. So many place to explore; and not enough time to do it. Just make a series of concentric circles on a road map with the center at your home, and make the circles 100 miles apart. Within a 300 mile range the sailing possibilities you will find will amaze you. Connie
Connie
My story exactly since I downsized and no longer sail on Lake Michigan. Pine Lake in Indiana is listed as a Sports Lake and is a zoo on weekends. It is mainly populated by Chicago 2nd home people.
Great Sailing and fishing during the week no place for sailors on weekends.
GEorge
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Conbert Benneck Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 8:23 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Smanll Boats in a Big Boat Mag.
On 7/17/2015 5:57 PM, Dan Farrell wrote:
Dan,
I read you loud and clear.
I too kept my M15 in the water at a local Connecticut lake marina, for exactly the same reasons you express.
Jump in the car; drive 20 minutes to the Marina; get on board and go sailing... but only during the week, when I had the lake to myself.
On weekends the lake was full of outboards pulling water skiers; pontoon boats; and PWCs charging about; total bedlam.
Boating costs were still a very small fraction of what they had been with our big boat.
Connie
So it turns out the venerable Lyle C Hess was right, in the long run - Americans are indeed interested in trailer sailing to avoid high marina costs, perhaps v now more than ever. I must say though, as a fully employed member of the list, I love having my boat on the water in one of Minnesota's 11,000 odd lakes; makes afternoon sailing far more accessible though arguably somewhat circular ;) Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/16/2015 9:18 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
George,
...and not even considering that the Marina and storage charges just keep going up and up every year.
Recently, someone on the M-List who was looking for an M15 told me that his California Marina charges for his 38 foot catamaran were now $1000 a month! That was the main reason he wanted to downsize and reduce his sailing costs.
When we downsized from our 29-footer in 1992, I had calculated that Marina dock space / winter storage fees / maintenance and upgrade materials / cost us $50 a day during the New England sailing season to enjoy sailing... What might be the costs be like today?
After finding / buying / and enjoying our M15 my calculation of M15 operating costs got to almost $0.
Winter storage was next to the garage with a cover over the boat. The only charges we paid to go sailing were ramp fees (free in many cases), and dockage fees when we were at a place like Lake Champlain, and they were - for a 15-footer - very small.
More sailing enjoyment; and lower costs. That's the way to go. It seems as if SAIL finally got the message.
Happy sailing
Connie
Connie
I was thinking the same thing that they found the Magazines covering smaller boat have been doing well. Also due to economic conditions and the aging of the fleet so to speak that downsizing is growing and as we know a smaller boat is easier to get on the water with the absence of a the need to round up crew to manage the boat.
George
-----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck [mailto:chbenneck@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 5:51 PM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Smanll Boats in a Big Boat Mag.
On 7/16/2015 4:58 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
Hi George,
Now that is surprising news about SAIL.
In the past, and that's when I quit subscribing, they just talked about bigger and ever bigger sailboats till the only "acceptable" sailboats in their eyes were something in the 40 foot and up size that cost at least $150K - without equipment.
Maybe they lost so many subscribers that they had to rethink their editorial policy, and swallowing their pride, now can talk about a 21 foot boat. Oh what a denouement ....!
Connie
Imagine my surprise when I opened my mailbox and found a Wrinkle Boat on the cover of the August issue of SAIL. It tuned out to be a Norseboat 21.5. Not
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