Thanks, Dave! Would Duckworks DWX Raid Braid line (https://duckworks.com/dwx-raid-braid/) be appropriate for a new halyard on a 15? Am I correct I should figure out how to splice an eye into the new line and use the eye and a shackle to attach it to the sail? On the current halyard the rope portion is knotted to the cable through an eye at one end of the cable and the other end of the cable is attached to the sail with another eye and a shackle. David Grah Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 06:41:02 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Replacing Main Halyard on Montgomery 15 To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA5qUNRLTk5exN=SXLyKg5-xhk3i6MVOSpFCii4Q9PG9ug@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" David: Get 1/4" low-stretch double-braid line. Lots of options and you basically get what you pay for. Duckworks, Defender, Fisheries, local chandelier, or ... West Marine. There is no reason to use rope-to-wire halyards these days. That set-up is what was done before low-stretch line became available. Confirm the condition of the masthead sheeves before running the new line. Make sure the wire hasn't damaged anything = created burs that will rip up your new halyard. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Mon, Jun 5, 2023, 19:33 David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I’d like to replace the main sail halyard on my Montgomery 15. The cable has some frays and the attached line is a bit worn. Also, a few years ago I replaced the mast due to damage when a pickup rear ended the boat, and I have had occasional issues with the current halyard jamming at the mast head (which may be related to the new masthead confirmation).
To address these issues, I think I would like to replace the halyard with some sort of no- or low-stretch line, but am not familiar with line types available and don’t really even know what diameter would be appropriate and how to best rig the sail end of the line. I bet some on this list have been through this process and I’d be very interested to hear what worked and didn’t from those. And I would also be interested for any suggestions on how to accomplish this project and what materials to use and where to source them from those that maybe haven’t done it but have good thoughts on the topic. Thanks in advance!
David Grah> Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky
David, Keep us apprised on what you do for your eye splice. I may be following your lead in a couple of years. My existing steel has no fish hooks nor signs of corrosion, but the age is suspect. Tim de Lacy M17 #333 -----Original Message----- From: David Grah via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 1:32 PM To: For and About Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>; Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Cc: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Replacing Main Halyard on Montgomery 15 Thanks, Dave! Would Duckworks DWX Raid Braid line (https://duckworks.com/dwx-raid-braid/) be appropriate for a new halyard on a 15? Am I correct I should figure out how to splice an eye into the new line and use the eye and a shackle to attach it to the sail? On the current halyard the rope portion is knotted to the cable through an eye at one end of the cable and the other end of the cable is attached to the sail with another eye and a shackle. David Grah Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 06:41:02 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Replacing Main Halyard on Montgomery 15 To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA5qUNRLTk5exN=SXLyKg5-xhk3i6MVOSpFCii4Q9PG9ug@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" David: Get 1/4" low-stretch double-braid line. Lots of options and you basically get what you pay for. Duckworks, Defender, Fisheries, local chandelier, or ... West Marine. There is no reason to use rope-to-wire halyards these days. That set-up is what was done before low-stretch line became available. Confirm the condition of the masthead sheeves before running the new line. Make sure the wire hasn't damaged anything = created burs that will rip up your new halyard. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Mon, Jun 5, 2023, 19:33 David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I’d like to replace the main sail halyard on my Montgomery 15. The cable has some frays and the attached line is a bit worn. Also, a few years ago I replaced the mast due to damage when a pickup rear ended the boat, and I have had occasional issues with the current halyard jamming at the mast head (which may be related to the new masthead confirmation).
To address these issues, I think I would like to replace the halyard with some sort of no- or low-stretch line, but am not familiar with line types available and don’t really even know what diameter would be appropriate and how to best rig the sail end of the line. I bet some on this list have been through this process and I’d be very interested to hear what worked and didn’t from those. And I would also be interested for any suggestions on how to accomplish this project and what materials to use and where to source them from those that maybe haven’t done it but have good thoughts on the topic. Thanks in advance!
David Grah> Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky
Same here. My M15 (2006) has the steel cable-to-rope halyard and seems to be working fine. I like the idea of replacing with low-stretch line at some point. Instead of an eye splice can I just use a bowline? One of the first things I did after purchasing my boat in 2020 was to back over the main halyard (trailing on the ground) while launching and cutting off a few feet of the end. I seized the end and now have just enough halyard. So we have a history… Don BrysonM15 #639 Nanette Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, June 6, 2023, 7:54 PM, tdelacy@wavecable.com wrote: David, Keep us apprised on what you do for your eye splice. I may be following your lead in a couple of years. My existing steel has no fish hooks nor signs of corrosion, but the age is suspect. Tim de Lacy M17 #333 -----Original Message----- From: David Grah via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 1:32 PM To: For and About Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>; Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Cc: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Replacing Main Halyard on Montgomery 15 Thanks, Dave! Would Duckworks DWX Raid Braid line (https://duckworks.com/dwx-raid-braid/) be appropriate for a new halyard on a 15? Am I correct I should figure out how to splice an eye into the new line and use the eye and a shackle to attach it to the sail? On the current halyard the rope portion is knotted to the cable through an eye at one end of the cable and the other end of the cable is attached to the sail with another eye and a shackle. David Grah Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 06:41:02 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Replacing Main Halyard on Montgomery 15 To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA5qUNRLTk5exN=SXLyKg5-xhk3i6MVOSpFCii4Q9PG9ug@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" David: Get 1/4" low-stretch double-braid line. Lots of options and you basically get what you pay for. Duckworks, Defender, Fisheries, local chandelier, or ... West Marine. There is no reason to use rope-to-wire halyards these days. That set-up is what was done before low-stretch line became available. Confirm the condition of the masthead sheeves before running the new line. Make sure the wire hasn't damaged anything = created burs that will rip up your new halyard. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Mon, Jun 5, 2023, 19:33 David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I’d like to replace the main sail halyard on my Montgomery 15. The cable has some frays and the attached line is a bit worn. Also, a few years ago I replaced the mast due to damage when a pickup rear ended the boat, and I have had occasional issues with the current halyard jamming at the mast head (which may be related to the new masthead confirmation).
To address these issues, I think I would like to replace the halyard with some sort of no- or low-stretch line, but am not familiar with line types available and don’t really even know what diameter would be appropriate and how to best rig the sail end of the line. I bet some on this list have been through this process and I’d be very interested to hear what worked and didn’t from those. And I would also be interested for any suggestions on how to accomplish this project and what materials to use and where to source them from those that maybe haven’t done it but have good thoughts on the topic. Thanks in advance!
David Grah> Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky
Don: There is a lashing called a 'halyard knot' (Google it) with the negative being it is difficult to untie - no big deal if you use a headboard shackle to attach the sail to the halyard. The negative of a bowline is can come untied if not under load and flapping around (aka when the sail is flogging). :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Tue, Jun 6, 2023, 21:56 Don Bryson via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Same here. My M15 (2006) has the steel cable-to-rope halyard and seems to be working fine. I like the idea of replacing with low-stretch line at some point. Instead of an eye splice can I just use a bowline? One of the first things I did after purchasing my boat in 2020 was to back over the main halyard (trailing on the ground) while launching and cutting off a few feet of the end. I seized the end and now have just enough halyard. So we have a history… Don BrysonM15 #639 Nanette Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023, 7:54 PM, tdelacy@wavecable.com wrote:
David,
Keep us apprised on what you do for your eye splice.
I may be following your lead in a couple of years. My existing steel has no fish hooks nor signs of corrosion, but the age is suspect.
Tim de Lacy M17 #333
-----Original Message----- From: David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 1:32 PM To: For and About Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>; Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com
Cc: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Replacing Main Halyard on Montgomery 15
Thanks, Dave! Would Duckworks DWX Raid Braid line (https://duckworks.com/dwx-raid-braid/) be appropriate for a new halyard on a 15? Am I correct I should figure out how to splice an eye into the new line and use the eye and a shackle to attach it to the sail? On the current halyard the rope portion is knotted to the cable through an eye at one end of the cable and the other end of the cable is attached to the sail with another eye and a shackle. David Grah Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 06:41:02 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Replacing Main Halyard on Montgomery 15 To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA5qUNRLTk5exN=SXLyKg5-xhk3i6MVOSpFCii4Q9PG9ug@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
David:
Get 1/4" low-stretch double-braid line. Lots of options and you basically get what you pay for. Duckworks, Defender, Fisheries, local chandelier, or ... West Marine.
There is no reason to use rope-to-wire halyards these days. That set-up is what was done before low-stretch line became available.
Confirm the condition of the masthead sheeves before running the new line. Make sure the wire hasn't damaged anything = created burs that will rip up your new halyard.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Mon, Jun 5, 2023, 19:33 David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I’d like to replace the main sail halyard on my Montgomery 15. The cable has some frays and the attached line is a bit worn. Also, a few years ago I replaced the mast due to damage when a pickup rear ended the boat, and I have had occasional issues with the current halyard jamming at the mast head (which may be related to the new masthead
confirmation).
To address these issues, I think I would like to replace the halyard with some sort of no- or low-stretch line, but am not familiar with line types available and don’t really even know what diameter would be appropriate and how to best rig the sail end of the line. I bet some on this list have been through this process and I’d be very interested to hear what worked and didn’t from those. And I would also be interested for any suggestions on how to accomplish this project and what materials to use and where to source them from those that maybe haven’t done it but have good thoughts on the topic. Thanks in advance!
David Grah> Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky
I used Tylaska spool shackles on my M-17 halyards and loved them, can use dyneema and not worry about slippage, no knots, no pins, just a secure attachment. (see attached) Light, strong and simple. The 5mm works for both 15 and 17 halyards. Have fun, go sail! GO On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 6:42 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Don:
There is a lashing called a 'halyard knot' (Google it) with the negative being it is difficult to untie - no big deal if you use a headboard shackle to attach the sail to the halyard.
The negative of a bowline is can come untied if not under load and flapping around (aka when the sail is flogging).
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
On Tue, Jun 6, 2023, 21:56 Don Bryson via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Same here. My M15 (2006) has the steel cable-to-rope halyard and seems to be working fine. I like the idea of replacing with low-stretch line at some point. Instead of an eye splice can I just use a bowline? One of the first things I did after purchasing my boat in 2020 was to back over the main halyard (trailing on the ground) while launching and cutting off a few feet of the end. I seized the end and now have just enough halyard. So we have a history… Don BrysonM15 #639 Nanette Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023, 7:54 PM, tdelacy@wavecable.com wrote:
David,
Keep us apprised on what you do for your eye splice.
I may be following your lead in a couple of years. My existing steel has no fish hooks nor signs of corrosion, but the age is suspect.
Tim de Lacy M17 #333
-----Original Message----- From: David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 1:32 PM To: For and About Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>; Dave Scobie < scoobscobie@gmail.com
Cc: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Replacing Main Halyard on Montgomery 15
Thanks, Dave! Would Duckworks DWX Raid Braid line ( https://duckworks.com/dwx-raid-braid/) be appropriate for a new halyard on a 15? Am I correct I should figure out how to splice an eye into the new line and use the eye and a shackle to attach it to the sail? On the current halyard the rope portion is knotted to the cable through an eye at one end of the cable and the other end of the cable is attached to the sail with another eye and a shackle. David Grah Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 06:41:02 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Replacing Main Halyard on Montgomery 15 To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA5qUNRLTk5exN=SXLyKg5-xhk3i6MVOSpFCii4Q9PG9ug@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
David:
Get 1/4" low-stretch double-braid line. Lots of options and you basically get what you pay for. Duckworks, Defender, Fisheries, local chandelier, or ... West Marine.
There is no reason to use rope-to-wire halyards these days. That set-up is what was done before low-stretch line became available.
Confirm the condition of the masthead sheeves before running the new line. Make sure the wire hasn't damaged anything = created burs that will rip up your new halyard.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Mon, Jun 5, 2023, 19:33 David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I’d like to replace the main sail halyard on my Montgomery 15. The cable has some frays and the attached line is a bit worn. Also, a few years ago I replaced the mast due to damage when a pickup rear ended the boat, and I have had occasional issues with the current halyard jamming at the mast head (which may be related to the new masthead
confirmation).
To address these issues, I think I would like to replace the halyard with some sort of no- or low-stretch line, but am not familiar with line types available and don’t really even know what diameter would be appropriate and how to best rig the sail end of the line. I bet some on this list have been through this process and I’d be very interested to hear what worked and didn’t from those. And I would also be interested for any suggestions on how to accomplish this project and what materials to use and where to source them from those that maybe haven’t done it but have good thoughts on the topic. Thanks in advance!
David Grah> Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky
That's a clever little device! For those wanting a bunch of great info on soft shackles, including DIY instructions and pictures, here's a bunch of info: https://l-36.com/soft_shackles.php cheers, John On 6/7/23 18:55, Gary H.Oberbeck wrote:
I used Tylaska spool shackles on my M-17 halyards and loved them, can use dyneema and not worry about slippage, no knots, no pins, just a secure attachment. (see attached) Light, strong and simple. The 5mm works for both 15 and 17 halyards. Have fun, go sail! GO
On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 6:42 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Don:
There is a lashing called a 'halyard knot' (Google it) with the negative being it is difficult to untie - no big deal if you use a headboard shackle to attach the sail to the halyard.
The negative of a bowline is can come untied if not under load and flapping around (aka when the sail is flogging).
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
On Tue, Jun 6, 2023, 21:56 Don Bryson via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Same here. My M15 (2006) has the steel cable-to-rope halyard and seems to be working fine. I like the idea of replacing with low-stretch line at some point. Instead of an eye splice can I just use a bowline? One of the first things I did after purchasing my boat in 2020 was to back over the main halyard (trailing on the ground) while launching and cutting off a few feet of the end. I seized the end and now have just enough halyard. So we have a history… Don BrysonM15 #639 Nanette Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023, 7:54 PM, tdelacy@wavecable.com wrote:
David,
Keep us apprised on what you do for your eye splice.
I may be following your lead in a couple of years. My existing steel has no fish hooks nor signs of corrosion, but the age is suspect.
Tim de Lacy M17 #333
-----Original Message----- From: David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 1:32 PM To: For and About Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>; Dave Scobie < scoobscobie@gmail.com
Cc: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Replacing Main Halyard on Montgomery 15
Thanks, Dave! Would Duckworks DWX Raid Braid line ( https://duckworks.com/dwx-raid-braid/) be appropriate for a new halyard on a 15? Am I correct I should figure out how to splice an eye into the new line and use the eye and a shackle to attach it to the sail? On the current halyard the rope portion is knotted to the cable through an eye at one end of the cable and the other end of the cable is attached to the sail with another eye and a shackle. David Grah Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 06:41:02 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Replacing Main Halyard on Montgomery 15 To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA5qUNRLTk5exN=SXLyKg5-xhk3i6MVOSpFCii4Q9PG9ug@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
David:
Get 1/4" low-stretch double-braid line. Lots of options and you basically get what you pay for. Duckworks, Defender, Fisheries, local chandelier, or ... West Marine.
There is no reason to use rope-to-wire halyards these days. That set-up is what was done before low-stretch line became available.
Confirm the condition of the masthead sheeves before running the new line. Make sure the wire hasn't damaged anything = created burs that will rip up your new halyard.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Mon, Jun 5, 2023, 19:33 David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I’d like to replace the main sail halyard on my Montgomery 15. The cable has some frays and the attached line is a bit worn. Also, a few years ago I replaced the mast due to damage when a pickup rear ended the boat, and I have had occasional issues with the current halyard jamming at the mast head (which may be related to the new masthead
confirmation).
To address these issues, I think I would like to replace the halyard with some sort of no- or low-stretch line, but am not familiar with line types available and don’t really even know what diameter would be appropriate and how to best rig the sail end of the line. I bet some on this list have been through this process and I’d be very interested to hear what worked and didn’t from those. And I would also be interested for any suggestions on how to accomplish this project and what materials to use and where to source them from those that maybe haven’t done it but have good thoughts on the topic. Thanks in advance!
David Grah> Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky
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