New subject: Dangling Motors

5 May 2008


      I have a 1974 m-17 that I purchased 6 years ago from a friend who purchased 
it from a friend.  Both friends and myself have left the 9.9 Yamaha 
installed during trailering without problems.

randy
M-17 "Fore Play"


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Today's Topics:
1. Re: dangling motors (Tim Diebert)
  2. Re: dangling motors (Tom Jenkins)
  3. Keel Hole... (Louis Aliotta)
  4. Re: bimini for M-17 and potty (John Owens)
  5. Re: dangling motors (Paint4Real@aol.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 16:41:13 -0700
From: "Tim Diebert" <tim@timtone.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: dangling motors
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I always remove mine.
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[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom
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Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 12:30 PM
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Subject: M_Boats: dangling motors
Montgomery people,
On occasion, raising even a Honda 5 onto the outboard bracket of a 17 
seems
threatening to the skeleton, so I am wondering if any of you with a 21st
century M17 leaves the iron jib in place while traveling.  The transom and
bracket look strong, but I certainly would not want to compromise any of
that nice fiberglass.
Sorry if this has been discussed already.
Thanks,
Tom Jenkins
M17 Scintilla (2004)
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 17:10:30 -0700
From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk@gte.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: dangling motors
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Bob et al.,
Perfect range of advice. I realize that it is more prudent to stash the
motor, but it is nice to know the boats will take what you throw at them
when they have to (add pounding on big waves with no leaf springs to
trailering on dirt roads). Stashing a cold six-pack to reward the help 
leads
to maximum flexibility, and brewskis can be self-consumed if help is
unnecessary.
Of course, one can always go nuts and install one of these things I found
while writing this message: <www.pickupspecialties.com/spitzlift.htm >
Tom Jenkins
Scintilla
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: dangling motors
Tom
There is no problem leaving the motor on while trailering on M_17s I have
built.
We doubled up the lam and added extra reinforcing just for that purpose.
I would recommend stowing the stainless motor mount in the UP position to
reduce the ARM Times WEIGHT moment. Some people also tie a line between 
the
motor and a cleat to reduce bouncing. The same for the M_15s. No problem.
Just don't park her overnight and get that Honda swiped.
Fair winds
Bob Eeg
(949) 489-8227
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Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 12:29:31 -0700> From: tjenk@gte.net> To:
montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: dangling motors>
Montgomery people,> > On occasion, raising even a Honda 5 onto the 
outboard
bracket of a 17 seems> threatening to the skeleton, so I am wondering if 
any
of you with a 21st> century M17 leaves the iron jib in place while
traveling. The transom and> bracket look strong, but I certainly would not
want to compromise any of> that nice fiberglass. > > Sorry if this has 
been
discussed already.> > Thanks,> > Tom Jenkins> > M17 Scintilla (2004) > >
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:28:33 -0400
From: "Louis Aliotta" <capnlou@ec.rr.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Keel Hole...
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So what's uyp with the water in my cockpit????  I know this is a common 
problem with the M-15 and it is the only thing that really bugs me about 
the boat.  Has anyone found a way to evacuate the excess water that comes 
us throught that keel hole???
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:44:50 -0500
From: John Owens <oldhippi9@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: bimini for M-17 and potty
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Robbin,
Another option for a potty is my dandy dumper.  It is a folding toilet 
with a plastic bag.  You can see it on my site www.jowoodworks.com .
Let me know if I can help.
JohnJohn OwensJ O Woodworks903-894-6293870 CR 3812Troup, Texas 
75789www.jowoodworks.comjohn@jowoodworks.com> From: 
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3. Re: Comfort and Joy (Tim Diebert)> 4. Re: Single Line Reefing and Jib 
Downhaul (Tim Diebert)> 5. bimini for M-17 and potty (robbin roddewig)> 6. 
dangling motors (Tom Jenkins)> 7. Re: bimini for M-17 and potty 
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Message: 1> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 07:17:06 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" 
<tim@timtone.com>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> To: "'For and 
about Montgomery Sailboats'"> <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> 
Message-ID: <007801c8ad28$5e3cd040$1ab670c0$@com>> Content-Type: 
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Now this is a technique I have never 
tried or even read about. I carry one> of those grapnel units as a second 
and will try this next time.> ThanksJim.> Tim D.> ---------------------> 
"Try this:> Drop a second anchor off the bow. Pay out very short scope 
(anchor > just touching the ground then a few feet more). The second 
anchor > should drag along and discourage the whole boat from wrenching 
back and > forth. This works best with one of those grapnel type dinghy 
anchors > (It actually works even better with a Hershoff anchor - but who 
carries > those anymore?)> Drawbacks:> 1) It can require frequent 
adjusting in areas with large tidal ranges > (or your second anchor will 
just dangle when the tide comes in).> 2) It doesn't work very well with 
Danforth type anchors.> 3) On some bottoms it just plain doesn't work.> I 
started using this technique on a boat that would tack at anchor so > 
badly that my crew threatened to sue for whiplash. I haven't anchored > 
out on my new M-17 so I don't know if it's necessary.> Jim Poulakis> 
"Spirit" M-17 #648"> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> 
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:40:58 EDT> From: Saltm17@aol.com> Subject: Re: 
M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Message-ID: <d4e.26aaf4d1.354de18a@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset="US-ASCII"> > Tim,> > I often anchor my M17 "Miss T" from the 
stern. I drop the anchor from the > stern while comming in to the spot I 
want to anchor and once it is set and the > right amount of scope is out, 
I tie the anchor line to the stern cleat, then > take the rest of the 
anchor line outside of the shrouds, fair lead it around > the pulpit and 
tie it off to the main cleat. That way if the wind and waves > get up 
during the night, I can just uncleat the line from the stern, the boat > 
pivots and I have automatically added 17 feet to the scope.> > John > > > 
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06:56:53 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" <tim@timtone.com>> Subject: Re: 
M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"> 
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<005101c8adee$b6394f50$22abedf0$@com>> Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset="us-ascii"> > Now why didn't I think of that!> Thanks John.> 
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Saltm17@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 8:41 AM> To: 
montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and 
Joy> > Tim,> > I often anchor my M17 "Miss T" from the stern. I drop the 
anchor from the > stern while comming in to the spot I want to anchor and 
once it is set and> the > right amount of scope is out, I tie the anchor 
line to the stern cleat, then> > take the rest of the anchor line outside 
of the shrouds, fair lead it around> > the pulpit and tie it off to the 
main cleat. That way if the wind and> waves > get up during the night, I 
can just uncleat the line from the stern, the> boat > pivots and I have 
automatically added 17 feet to the scope.> > John > > > **************> 
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Sun, 4 May 2008 07:15:37 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" <tim@timtone.com>> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Single Line Reefing and Jib Downhaul> To: "'For and 
about Montgomery Sailboats'"> <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> 
Message-ID: <005201c8adf1$5384e100$fa8ea300$@com>> Content-Type: 
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Tom said: "As always, though, I have 
additional questions. You put all the> first reef> gear to starboard and 
the second reef to port, requiring some type of> anchoring devices in the 
tack cringles. Is there a reason why the reefing> line could not go 
through the double block on the starboard side, through> the tack cringle, 
down to the other double, and aft to the block, the clew> cringle and the 
starboard padeye? "> > >Yes, you could do that. It works perfectly for a 
single set. > But the issue arrises with wanting to have two sets and as 
little hardware> as possible.> If you had a double on either either side 
of the boom forward(as there is> now)> ...you could utilize one shiv of 
the double for the first and the other for> the 2nd> .....but then you 
would have two different lines with two different> functions on > each 
double. I have found that by isolating the lines they are easier to> keep 
clear and sorted. Once reefed even one in there is loose sail and the 
2nd> set> of reef lines to deal with. Having all the lines and gear on one 
side seems> to> help me keep it straight. Pulling down on one side of the 
tack does tend to> twist> the boom a bit...but there is no issue with sail 
shape or performance.> > Anyway, your boat is obviously loaded for bear. 
Do you even have a full set> of lifelines?> > >The boat is not quite where 
I would like it yet but thanks. PUFF came with> lifelines> (and the 
name...)> The jury is out on these. Some days I find them handy....other 
days they> seem> completely in the way and even a bit dangerous. The boat 
is pretty small to> close in> side decks like that. But when you are 
sitting on the foredeck with your> legs straddling > the bow trying to 
change down sail in larger waves, those lines are mightly> handy. For > 
those days alone is why they remain. > > Thanks again for your great 
information.> > >My pleasure. I hope it helps. Give and get.> > Sunny and 
warm today, I am off to sail.> > Cheers, Tim in BC.> 
========================================> > Tom Jenkins> M17 Scintilla> 
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[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim> 
Diebert> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 8:43 AM> To: 'For and about 
Montgomery Sailboats'> Subject: M_Boats: Single Line Reefing and Jib 
Downhaul> > For whoever was interested in this two reef single line system 
and the jib> downhaul I use.> Images and explanation posted to a web page 
here> <http://www.timtone.com/monty/singlelinereefing.htm> .> > I hope 
this helps.> > Have a great weekend all.> > Cheers, Tim D. in BC.> 
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5> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 13:46:54 -0400> From: robbin roddewig 
<robbin.roddewig@verizon.net>> Subject: M_Boats: bimini for M-17 and 
potty> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> 
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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > Listers,> I have been asked by the 
admiral to look into the installation of a > Bimini on the flag ship of 
the fleet, my M-17. I do not see any other > examples of 17's with a 
Bimini and I could not see where Bob Eeg offers > this as an option on the 
new boats. Has anyone done this, considered > this or are there good 
reasons I am not seeing other examples?> > Does anyone else have a built 
in head? I have avoided the thing since I > purchased the boat (on the 
general philosophy of ignorance is bliss) but > may want to use it in the 
upcoming Chesapeake Bay cruise. Any advice on > this rather indelicate 
topic? Looked like West Marine had some stuff to > put in the tank, which 
I am assuming it has since there is a vent and a > pump out fitting with 
hoses attached going to the deck. Will the head > go back to inert once it 
is pumped out? Should I consider a portable > replacement?> > Thanks in 
advance,> Robbin> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> 
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 12:29:31 -0700> From: "Tom Jenkins" 
<tjenk@gte.net>> Subject: M_Boats: dangling motors> To: "For and about 
Montgomery Sailboats"> <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> 
Message-ID: <0K0C00HGTZHF8PT1@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>> Content-Type: 
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Montgomery people,> > On occasion, 
raising even a Honda 5 onto the outboard bracket of a 17 seems> 
threatening to the skeleton, so I am wondering if any of you with a 21st> 
century M17 leaves the iron jib in place while traveling. The transom and> 
bracket look strong, but I certainly would not want to compromise any of> 
that nice fiberglass. > > Sorry if this has been discussed already.> > 
Thanks,> > Tom Jenkins> > M17 Scintilla (2004) > > > 
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15:59:24 EDT> From: JDavies104@aol.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: bimini for 
M-17 and potty> To: robbin.roddewig@verizon.net, 
montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: 
<be9.30bf8375.354f6f9c@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset="US-ASCII"> > Robbin,> > There was a thread on this delicate 
subject back I think in December, and > based on what I learned then, and 
following Doug Kelch's lead, I have bought (for > the same cruise) a Pett 
dry toilet system, which seems to have a lot of > advantages over the 
standard porta-potti. If you are thinking of replacing your > built-in, 
you may want to consider it. Lots of information online on the > system, 
which uses zipper bags pre-filled with chemicals which process the > 
material into a semi-solid form which can legally be dumped into any trash 
bin. No > flushing, no tank to dump, and no necessity to scout for dumping 
facilities. > I found also that when the legs are removed it fits solidly 
into the > starboard v-berth storage hatch opening. It's not flush with 
the surround, but can > easily be closed and stored when not in use. Full 
disclosure - I haven't used > it yet, but plan to test it out (informally, 
of course) sometime before the > cruise.> > Rick Davies> M-17 Lynne L 
#633> > PS It's also cheaper than a porta-potti. > > > **************> 
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Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:35:38 EDT
From: Paint4Real@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: dangling motors
To: tim@timtone.com, montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
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My O.B. bracket has failed big time and has to be replaced -- or, rather,
removed, and replaced by a repositionable bracket, which I've always 
wished I
had.   Of course, have to install an access port, so I can get backing 
plates
into the inside of the transom.
In 25 years I've never heard the advice to remove the motor from the 
bracket
in transit.   I'd have always been happy to, just to toss it into the back 
of
the vehicle.   Wish someone had said something about the stresses 
involved,
leaving it on.
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Re: M_Boats: Dangling Motors

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