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I hate the smell of burning blankets!
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I'm telling you Jerry. Smoky campfire. Blanket. t
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Jerry,
Maybe you got a defective copy? *grin*
I don't recall Busca sailing at anchor either. The only time I can recall moving about is when the wind was light and/or the tide/current came into play. And then the time in the Chesapeake when we dragged during a thunderstorm and my 11# Bruce couldn't hold a half-dozen plus rafted up boats. Of course, then we didn't sail around, we just slowly moved backwards.
11# Bruce + 17' of 5/16" chain + 3/8" three strand nylon.
Tod
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jerry Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:43 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
I'm curious about this also. I've spent many nites on the hook in Mexico and Catalina Isl, and don't ever remember the boat sailing around; this is with a 17 and a 15 also. What am I doing wrong?
I wonder if it could be something as simple as the amount of scope and chain? I used 5/16" chain, and about 30 feet of it. I tried my best to avoid rough anchorages, but if there was any chop at all I ran the line down thru the trailer eye as someone else mentioned. Otherwise I tied it off on the bow cleat and led the line around the puplit, which would make it off center by at least a foot. I normally left the rudder down and lashed on center. Only other thing I can think of would be the boom awning, which would add some drag aft. I normally raised the CB, but that was to keep it from banging back and forth.
I really can't think of any other possible factors! I have used several different boats and had no problem with any.
Jerry jerrymontgomery.org
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Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:15 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
That's not a good bit of info Gary. You got me all depressed first thing this morning....~:0)
The thing that really brought this to light for me was a night on the hook two summers ago. I wind shift turned my anchorage uncomfortable. As I always do I take bearings on fixed points and keep checking to be sure I am not dragging. Every time I poked my head out the hatch I saw something new and wondered if the wind was shifting that badly. A motor boat dropped in this bay later in the evening. His boat tracked straight into the wind...like a bird dog. At first I thought he had a stern anchor....but no. Got me wondering why PUFF sailed all over the place and he did not. That's when I figured it was the off-center (no bow roller) condition. I went to the trouble of making a centering harness on the pulpit and kept it as low as possible. No difference. I will try all the other ideas mentioned as I get a chance.
Tim
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:57 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
Tim: I've owned 4 sailboats and they all tacked back and forth on the hook. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life.
On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Tim Diebert wrote:
The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any kind of lumpy water of course. I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of little noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to tell you the truth. Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to 'sail' when on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and forth within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight sideways roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at anchor for night. My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it is a bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big berth in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The tent prototype is partway done. When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many days no problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the boat.....and we are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening again. ~:0)
Cheers, Tim D in BC.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how seaworthy they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort NC area
which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a NorSea 27.
Thanks much, Joe
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Yes, that was Busca that had a bow roller.
I just didn't feel the need for it, so I took it off. On the foredeck I have two cleats side-by-side and run the anchor rode through a chock at the gunwale and over to a cleat.
Two cleats are nice if you raft up, as one gets full pretty quickly.
Tod
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Somebody had a bow roller once I remember. Whoever bought Riceman's boat from MT. They removed it I remember. Who was that? Was that you Todd? t
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Message: 4 Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:31:00 -0700 From: James Poulakis Subject: Re: M_Boats: new brochure added To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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What a great boat. Had one in the '80's and '90's then decided I needed something bigger. I was wrong. Thanks Bill and Peter
Jim Poulakis "Spirit" M-17 #648
On May 1, 2008, at 5:20 AM, Bill Lamica wrote:
Just added the Abil Vega 27 brochure PDF to the Photo Site, compliments of Peter Jacobs, past M17 owner This link is for the brochure, Bill
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Message: 5 Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:11:37 -0700 From: James Poulakis Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Try this: Drop a second anchor off the bow. Pay out very short scope (anchor just touching the ground then a few feet more). The second anchor should drag along and discourage the whole boat from wrenching back and forth. This works best with one of those grapnel type dinghy anchors (It actually works even better with a Hershoff anchor - but who carries those anymore?)
Drawbacks: 1) It can require frequent adjusting in areas with large tidal ranges (or your second anchor will just dangle when the tide comes in). 2) It doesn't work very well with Danforth type anchors. 3) On some bottoms it just plain doesn't work.
I started using this technique on a boat that would tack at anchor so badly that my crew threatened to sue for whiplash. I haven't anchored out on my new M-17 so I don't know if it's necessary.
Jim Poulakis "Spirit" M-17 #648
On May 1, 2008, at 2:57 PM, wrote:
Jerry,
Maybe you got a defective copy? *grin*
I don't recall Busca sailing at anchor either. The only time I can recall moving about is when the wind was light and/or the tide/current came into play. And then the time in the Chesapeake when we dragged during a thunderstorm and my 11# Bruce couldn't hold a half-dozen plus rafted up boats. Of course, then we didn't sail around, we just slowly moved backwards.
11# Bruce + 17' of 5/16" chain + 3/8" three strand nylon.
Tod
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jerry Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:43 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
I'm curious about this also. I've spent many nites on the hook in Mexico and Catalina Isl, and don't ever remember the boat sailing around; this is with a 17 and a 15 also. What am I doing wrong?
I wonder if it could be something as simple as the amount of scope and chain? I used 5/16" chain, and about 30 feet of it. I tried my best to avoid rough anchorages, but if there was any chop at all I ran the line down thru the trailer eye as someone else mentioned. Otherwise I tied it off on the bow cleat and led the line around the puplit, which would make it off center by at least a foot. I normally left the rudder down and lashed on center. Only other thing I can think of would be the boom awning, which would add some drag aft. I normally raised the CB, but that was to keep it from banging back and forth.
I really can't think of any other possible factors! I have used several different boats and had no problem with any.
Jerry jerrymontgomery.org
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Diebert" To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:15 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
That's not a good bit of info Gary. You got me all depressed first thing this morning....~:0)
The thing that really brought this to light for me was a night on the hook two summers ago. I wind shift turned my anchorage uncomfortable. As I always do I take bearings on fixed points and keep checking to be sure I am not dragging. Every time I poked my head out the hatch I saw something new and wondered if the wind was shifting that badly. A motor boat dropped in this bay later in the evening. His boat tracked straight into the wind...like a bird dog. At first I thought he had a stern anchor....but no. Got me wondering why PUFF sailed all over the place and he did not. That's when I figured it was the off-center (no bow roller) condition. I went to the trouble of making a centering harness on the pulpit and kept it as low as possible. No difference. I will try all the other ideas mentioned as I get a chance.
Tim
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:57 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
Tim: I've owned 4 sailboats and they all tacked back and forth on the hook. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life.
On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Tim Diebert wrote:
The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any kind of lumpy water of course. I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of little noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to tell you the truth. Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to 'sail' when on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and forth within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight sideways roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at anchor for night. My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it is a bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big berth in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The tent prototype is partway done. When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many days no problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the boat.....and we are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening again. ~:0)
Cheers, Tim D in BC.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how seaworthy they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort NC area
which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a NorSea 27.
Thanks much, Joe
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" Did you try unshipping the rudder? That sometime helps.Thanks, Ben" I have tried that Ben. But I didn't leave it off long enough to get a fair trial. The thing is so huge I was struggling to find somewhere to stow it that wasn't in my way. Jerry mentioned that he brings his CB up when at anchor. I don't do that because I have a pendant that is not entirely trustworthy at this point. So there is another factor in the puzzle. Thanks for all the input on this topic. A great resource is this list. I now have plenty of ideas to try! Just one more point I thought I would mention. When I am just stopping to swim or have lunch I often just drop the hook off the stern and tie the line off there. This is not the case when there is any action, because if there was wind I would be sailing...not swimming. But even with a light breeze the boat stays steady stern to any moving air when the anchor is off the stern. I anchored this way one night. (ya, I know) It was fine until one of our big night winds came up....then it was wet and wild. I was too tired and it was too dark to switch ends.....live and learn. Have a grand weekend all. Tim D in BC. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ben Smith Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 5:42 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy C ----------------------------------------
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I hate the smell of burning blankets!
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I'm telling you Jerry. Smoky campfire. Blanket. t
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Jerry,
Maybe you got a defective copy? *grin*
I don't recall Busca sailing at anchor either. The only time I can recall moving about is when the wind was light and/or the tide/current came into play. And then the time in the Chesapeake when we dragged during a thunderstorm and my 11# Bruce couldn't hold a half-dozen plus rafted up boats. Of course, then we didn't sail around, we just slowly moved backwards.
11# Bruce + 17' of 5/16" chain + 3/8" three strand nylon.
Tod
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jerry Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:43 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
I'm curious about this also. I've spent many nites on the hook in Mexico and Catalina Isl, and don't ever remember the boat sailing around; this is with a 17 and a 15 also. What am I doing wrong?
I wonder if it could be something as simple as the amount of scope and chain? I used 5/16" chain, and about 30 feet of it. I tried my best to avoid rough anchorages, but if there was any chop at all I ran the line down thru the trailer eye as someone else mentioned. Otherwise I tied it off on the bow cleat and led the line around the puplit, which would make it off center by at least a foot. I normally left the rudder down and lashed on center. Only other thing I can think of would be the boom awning, which would add some drag aft. I normally raised the CB, but that was to keep it from banging back and forth.
I really can't think of any other possible factors! I have used several different boats and had no problem with any.
Jerry jerrymontgomery.org
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Diebert" To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:15 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
That's not a good bit of info Gary. You got me all depressed first thing this morning....~:0)
The thing that really brought this to light for me was a night on the hook two summers ago. I wind shift turned my anchorage uncomfortable. As I always do I take bearings on fixed points and keep checking to be sure I am not dragging. Every time I poked my head out the hatch I saw something new and wondered if the wind was shifting that badly. A motor boat dropped in this bay later in the evening. His boat tracked straight into the wind...like a bird dog. At first I thought he had a stern anchor....but no. Got me wondering why PUFF sailed all over the place and he did not. That's when I figured it was the off-center (no bow roller) condition. I went to the trouble of making a centering harness on the pulpit and kept it as low as possible. No difference. I will try all the other ideas mentioned as I get a chance.
Tim
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:57 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
Tim: I've owned 4 sailboats and they all tacked back and forth on the hook. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life.
On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Tim Diebert wrote:
The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any kind of lumpy water of course. I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of little noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to tell you the truth. Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to 'sail' when on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and forth within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight sideways roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at anchor for night. My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it is a bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big berth in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The tent prototype is partway done. When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many days no problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the boat.....and we are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening again. ~:0)
Cheers, Tim D in BC.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how seaworthy they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort NC area
which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a NorSea 27.
Thanks much, Joe
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Yes, that was Busca that had a bow roller.
I just didn't feel the need for it, so I took it off. On the foredeck I have two cleats side-by-side and run the anchor rode through a chock at the gunwale and over to a cleat.
Two cleats are nice if you raft up, as one gets full pretty quickly.
Tod
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 11:07 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
Somebody had a bow roller once I remember. Whoever bought Riceman's boat from MT. They removed it I remember. Who was that? Was that you Todd? t
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Message: 4 Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:31:00 -0700 From: James Poulakis Subject: Re: M_Boats: new brochure added To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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What a great boat. Had one in the '80's and '90's then decided I needed something bigger. I was wrong. Thanks Bill and Peter
Jim Poulakis "Spirit" M-17 #648
On May 1, 2008, at 5:20 AM, Bill Lamica wrote:
Just added the Abil Vega 27 brochure PDF to the Photo Site, compliments of Peter Jacobs, past M17 owner This link is for the brochure, Bill
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Message: 5 Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:11:37 -0700 From: James Poulakis Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Try this: Drop a second anchor off the bow. Pay out very short scope (anchor just touching the ground then a few feet more). The second anchor should drag along and discourage the whole boat from wrenching back and forth. This works best with one of those grapnel type dinghy anchors (It actually works even better with a Hershoff anchor - but who carries those anymore?)
Drawbacks: 1) It can require frequent adjusting in areas with large tidal ranges (or your second anchor will just dangle when the tide comes in). 2) It doesn't work very well with Danforth type anchors. 3) On some bottoms it just plain doesn't work.
I started using this technique on a boat that would tack at anchor so badly that my crew threatened to sue for whiplash. I haven't anchored out on my new M-17 so I don't know if it's necessary.
Jim Poulakis "Spirit" M-17 #648
On May 1, 2008, at 2:57 PM, wrote:
Jerry,
Maybe you got a defective copy? *grin*
I don't recall Busca sailing at anchor either. The only time I can recall moving about is when the wind was light and/or the tide/current came into play. And then the time in the Chesapeake when we dragged during a thunderstorm and my 11# Bruce couldn't hold a half-dozen plus rafted up boats. Of course, then we didn't sail around, we just slowly moved backwards.
11# Bruce + 17' of 5/16" chain + 3/8" three strand nylon.
Tod
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jerry Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:43 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
I'm curious about this also. I've spent many nites on the hook in Mexico and Catalina Isl, and don't ever remember the boat sailing around; this is with a 17 and a 15 also. What am I doing wrong?
I wonder if it could be something as simple as the amount of scope and chain? I used 5/16" chain, and about 30 feet of it. I tried my best to avoid rough anchorages, but if there was any chop at all I ran the line down thru the trailer eye as someone else mentioned. Otherwise I tied it off on the bow cleat and led the line around the puplit, which would make it off center by at least a foot. I normally left the rudder down and lashed on center. Only other thing I can think of would be the boom awning, which would add some drag aft. I normally raised the CB, but that was to keep it from banging back and forth.
I really can't think of any other possible factors! I have used several different boats and had no problem with any.
Jerry jerrymontgomery.org
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Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:15 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
That's not a good bit of info Gary. You got me all depressed first thing this morning....~:0)
The thing that really brought this to light for me was a night on the hook two summers ago. I wind shift turned my anchorage uncomfortable. As I always do I take bearings on fixed points and keep checking to be sure I am not dragging. Every time I poked my head out the hatch I saw something new and wondered if the wind was shifting that badly. A motor boat dropped in this bay later in the evening. His boat tracked straight into the wind...like a bird dog. At first I thought he had a stern anchor....but no. Got me wondering why PUFF sailed all over the place and he did not. That's when I figured it was the off-center (no bow roller) condition. I went to the trouble of making a centering harness on the pulpit and kept it as low as possible. No difference. I will try all the other ideas mentioned as I get a chance.
Tim
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:57 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
Tim: I've owned 4 sailboats and they all tacked back and forth on the hook. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life.
On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Tim Diebert wrote:
The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any kind of lumpy water of course. I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of little noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to tell you the truth. Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to 'sail' when on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and forth within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight sideways roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at anchor for night. My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it is a bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big berth in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The tent prototype is partway done. When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many days no problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the boat.....and we are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening again. ~:0)
Cheers, Tim D in BC.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how seaworthy they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort NC area
which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a NorSea 27.
Thanks much, Joe
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