Re: M_Boats: Mongomery sailboats: the irresistible conversation piece
Ditto, guys. I bet there isn't a Montgomery owner on the list who doesn't have the same "problem". I was pulling mine out for the season Sat. and was sidetracked by a Ranger 20 owner first and then a San Juan 21 owner complimenting the boat and asking so many questions that I couldn't concentrate on what I was doing. Took twice as long to get the mast down and everything all set to trailer. My wife got tired of waiting and took a nap in the car. Of course, she's been through that before so she knows there's nothing a sailor likes better than showing off their boat! Larry Yake M17, #200 Tullamore On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 02:46:08 -0700 "Bob Campbell" <racsrv@attbi.com> writes:
John,
It's definitely a trend. I can't recall the last time I was at a ramp and didn't have someone come up and admire my 17. In fact, I'm always suspicious of the person who says he/she can set up and launch their M17 in 45 minutes. They are obviously adjusting for "show and tell" time. I generally allow 30 minutes for that alone!
Last month at the SCA Cruiser Challenge in Monterey, I was setting up Alina while a good friend was setting up his Catalina 16. He is very organized and I was trying to see if I could keep up with him so we could launch at the same time. Alas, a gentleman comes up and begins to inspect Alina. He was absolutely smitten by her and the questions and complements began to flow. As he walked away, having never even acknowledged the presence of the Catalina, my friend quips, "My boat's cute too!" Of course, now my friend has taken a commanding lead and is able to take a break while I finish setting up. Oh the disadvantages of owning a Montgomery!
I agree with your theory on wistful big boat owners who upon seeing a Montgomery realize that they are spending gobs of money and missing out on the real joy of sailing. At the Chevy's restaurant guest dock in Alameda, I had a retired gentleman who owns a Nonsuch 30 give me his email address, instructing me to contact him if I ever had thoughts of parting with my beloved Alina. I empathize with big boat owners and can't say that I'm immune to the seduction of big boats either. This past spring I was bitten by the big boat bug, but came to my senses just in the nick of time.
Lyle Hess has left us with a very special boat indeed. My respect, admiration, and appreciation for him and his boat grow deeper with every sail.
Fair winds,
Bob Campbell Montgomery 17 #615 "Alina" di, CA
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of John Fleming Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 12:46 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Mongomery sailboats: the irresistable conversation piece
Well, it's happened twice now, so it's not a real trend yet, but it
definitely is something. I've recently started sailing out of Marina del Ray in Los Angeles. At the end of the day, when the boat is back on
the trailer and I run it over to the fresh water for a washdown, people come running over to ask what kind of boat it is, it looks very salty, it looks very nice, it looks very big and roomy for a 17-footer, I've never seen one like it before, etc etc etc. The kids are running wild, I'm racing the sunset to get everything buttoned up and put away, and they all want to stand around and talk about the Montgomerys and ply me with compliments and sort of get that puppy-dog look in their eyes,
wishing they could be invited aboard and take a look around. They walk right by all the big cool racing trimarans and other trailer sailers
without a word or glance and stop at my boat. There must be something friendly and inviting about a Montgomery. One guy today asked "Is that a Nor'Sea?" as an introduction! I had to explain the whole heritage
thing, Lyle Hess and his English workboats, the Nor'Sea was designed
first, and then came the Montgomery's.
The pleasant hazards of owning a Montgomery. Hopefully, once I go there
enough, I'll have exhausted the supply of closet Montgomery lovers.
Maybe it's just Marina del Ray, so jaded by big-money boats that a view of a Montgomery with young kids running around and having fun takes them
back to what sailing's all about. Shackled to their big money pits,
they realize you can have just as much fun, maybe more, without exhausting your bank account. "God boys, we wish we were you".
Other than that ...
It was a good day for sailing. Yesterday was thick and chilly fog all along the coast. About 9PM last night, a warm wind blew in, chased all the fog away, and today was pleasant, sunny, and cloudless. The Admiral's away, but the kids want to do something, so let's go sailing. My 12-yr old son did a good job of helming in and out of the Marina, and out on the ocean when he felt like it. The ocean was relatively
calm today, not like some other days, no short-period chop and waves
from two directions to make every point of sail a roller-coaster.
Even with my blown (I think) mainsail, Star Cross'd can point. Today was a good example of what a Montgomery can do. The higher I pointed, the faster I went. She'd heel over and just rocket away, faster (by my uncalibrated knotmeter) than the 4HP engine can push in calm water.
When the kids got tired of too much time spent pinned against the lee cabin sides, I'd just de-power to a broad or beam reach and we'd drop about a knot and just keep on cruising. One close-hauled point of sail was directly into the waves, so we did a little up and down pounding but
just cut through. The other was cross to the waves, so we'd just roll with it, and occasionally the wind and waves would gang up and push us over further than I cared. But I never felt out of control. It wasn't anything more than the normal 10 knot afternoon breeze we get here every
day.
Star Cross'd must still be out of rig, though. I would only get good weather helm once we started pointing high. On a beam reach, it'd be lee helm. I guess I need more mast rake.
Not many more weekend like this before El Nino hits bringing sub-tropical deluges, the jet stream shifts south connecting us with the
North Pacific gales that bring the big northwest waves and too-cool
weather to Santa Monica Bay. I very much doubt I can get the whole
family out on days like that. They say that December and January are the only bad months here for sailing. We'll see.
Happy sailing, John Fleming M-17: "Star Cross'd"
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I agree, we have all probably had this "problem". I know it takes twice as long to rig or tear down if I'm not the only person at the ramp! Even when Grace is in a slip at the marina I find notes taped to Grace asking me to contract them so they could ask some questions about our great little boat. By the way, I was out on Saturday with winds of 25 with gusts to 30. With the right sail combination our little boats are quite comfortable with those conditions! I did get a little wet though, when Grace would crash through a wave and the wind would blow the spray straight back into my face in the cockpit. Lyle Hess designed a boat that would bring you home safely, for sure. Mark Dvorscak M17 #400 GRACE -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Larry Yake Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 4:11 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mongomery sailboats: the irresistible conversation piece Ditto, guys. I bet there isn't a Montgomery owner on the list who doesn't have the same "problem". I was pulling mine out for the season Sat. and was sidetracked by a Ranger 20 owner first and then a San Juan 21 owner complimenting the boat and asking so many questions that I couldn't concentrate on what I was doing. Took twice as long to get the mast down and everything all set to trailer. My wife got tired of waiting and took a nap in the car. Of course, she's been through that before so she knows there's nothing a sailor likes better than showing off their boat! Larry Yake M17, #200 Tullamore On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 02:46:08 -0700 "Bob Campbell" <racsrv@attbi.com> writes:
John,
It's definitely a trend. I can't recall the last time I was at a ramp and didn't have someone come up and admire my 17. In fact, I'm always suspicious of the person who says he/she can set up and launch their M17 in 45 minutes. They are obviously adjusting for "show and tell" time. I generally allow 30 minutes for that alone!
Last month at the SCA Cruiser Challenge in Monterey, I was setting up Alina while a good friend was setting up his Catalina 16. He is very organized and I was trying to see if I could keep up with him so we could launch at the same time. Alas, a gentleman comes up and begins to inspect Alina. He was absolutely smitten by her and the questions and complements began to flow. As he walked away, having never even acknowledged the presence of the Catalina, my friend quips, "My boat's cute too!" Of course, now my friend has taken a commanding lead and is able to take a break while I finish setting up. Oh the disadvantages of owning a Montgomery!
I agree with your theory on wistful big boat owners who upon seeing a Montgomery realize that they are spending gobs of money and missing out on the real joy of sailing. At the Chevy's restaurant guest dock in Alameda, I had a retired gentleman who owns a Nonsuch 30 give me his email address, instructing me to contact him if I ever had thoughts of parting with my beloved Alina. I empathize with big boat owners and can't say that I'm immune to the seduction of big boats either. This past spring I was bitten by the big boat bug, but came to my senses just in the nick of time.
Lyle Hess has left us with a very special boat indeed. My respect, admiration, and appreciation for him and his boat grow deeper with every sail.
Fair winds,
Bob Campbell Montgomery 17 #615 "Alina" di, CA
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of John Fleming Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 12:46 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Mongomery sailboats: the irresistable conversation piece
Well, it's happened twice now, so it's not a real trend yet, but it
definitely is something. I've recently started sailing out of Marina del Ray in Los Angeles. At the end of the day, when the boat is back on
the trailer and I run it over to the fresh water for a washdown, people come running over to ask what kind of boat it is, it looks very salty, it looks very nice, it looks very big and roomy for a 17-footer, I've never seen one like it before, etc etc etc. The kids are running wild, I'm racing the sunset to get everything buttoned up and put away, and they all want to stand around and talk about the Montgomerys and ply me with compliments and sort of get that puppy-dog look in their eyes,
wishing they could be invited aboard and take a look around. They walk right by all the big cool racing trimarans and other trailer sailers
without a word or glance and stop at my boat. There must be something friendly and inviting about a Montgomery. One guy today asked "Is that a Nor'Sea?" as an introduction! I had to explain the whole heritage
thing, Lyle Hess and his English workboats, the Nor'Sea was designed
first, and then came the Montgomery's.
The pleasant hazards of owning a Montgomery. Hopefully, once I go there
enough, I'll have exhausted the supply of closet Montgomery lovers.
Maybe it's just Marina del Ray, so jaded by big-money boats that a view of a Montgomery with young kids running around and having fun takes them
back to what sailing's all about. Shackled to their big money pits,
they realize you can have just as much fun, maybe more, without exhausting your bank account. "God boys, we wish we were you".
Other than that ...
It was a good day for sailing. Yesterday was thick and chilly fog all along the coast. About 9PM last night, a warm wind blew in, chased all the fog away, and today was pleasant, sunny, and cloudless. The Admiral's away, but the kids want to do something, so let's go sailing. My 12-yr old son did a good job of helming in and out of the Marina, and out on the ocean when he felt like it. The ocean was relatively
calm today, not like some other days, no short-period chop and waves
from two directions to make every point of sail a roller-coaster.
Even with my blown (I think) mainsail, Star Cross'd can point. Today was a good example of what a Montgomery can do. The higher I pointed, the faster I went. She'd heel over and just rocket away, faster (by my uncalibrated knotmeter) than the 4HP engine can push in calm water.
When the kids got tired of too much time spent pinned against the lee cabin sides, I'd just de-power to a broad or beam reach and we'd drop about a knot and just keep on cruising. One close-hauled point of sail was directly into the waves, so we did a little up and down pounding but
just cut through. The other was cross to the waves, so we'd just roll with it, and occasionally the wind and waves would gang up and push us over further than I cared. But I never felt out of control. It wasn't anything more than the normal 10 knot afternoon breeze we get here every
day.
Star Cross'd must still be out of rig, though. I would only get good weather helm once we started pointing high. On a beam reach, it'd be lee helm. I guess I need more mast rake.
Not many more weekend like this before El Nino hits bringing sub-tropical deluges, the jet stream shifts south connecting us with the
North Pacific gales that bring the big northwest waves and too-cool
weather to Santa Monica Bay. I very much doubt I can get the whole
family out on days like that. They say that December and January are the only bad months here for sailing. We'll see.
Happy sailing, John Fleming M-17: "Star Cross'd"
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