Hello All, After reading the post regarding the Texas 200 and the WWP that sunk I was thinking about the Monty's self-recovery ability. I don't recall any postings regarding Monty's being knocked down but am sure it has/can happen. Last year while sailing on Lake Superior around Isle Royale I took some water over the combings -- not a pretty sight seeing 55 degree water pouring into the cockpit... Has anyone experienced or heard of a M-15 or M-17 being knocked down? I like adventure sailing with my M-15 and believe it is a very capable micro-cruiser. However, I am not sure how it would handle if it were knocked down and swamped. John M-15 Jester
I've completely flipped my M15, if that's what you're looking for... With inexperienced mates to boot! Fortunately, with some quick thinking and clear direction I managed to flip it back over before it took on too much water. Also, the styrofoam that the hull came packed with when I got it (I assume it was stuffed in there to float it up off the bottom of the ocean) probably helped... The scariest part was how full of water the sail was, and emptying it (swimming under it and pushing up) turned out to be the key to getting it righted. There was PLENTY of wind that day, so we had little trouble getting back to the dock and I shopvac'd the water out of the bilge when I got home. I learned quite a bit about the limits of maneuverability that day. Now, when people ask if the boat will tip over, I say "Only if I make it". On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:31 PM, John and DesAnne Hippe <jdhippe@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello All,
After reading the post regarding the Texas 200 and the WWP that sunk I was thinking about the Monty's self-recovery ability. I don't recall any postings regarding Monty's being knocked down but am sure it has/can happen. Last year while sailing on Lake Superior around Isle Royale I took some water over the combings -- not a pretty sight seeing 55 degree water pouring into the cockpit...
Has anyone experienced or heard of a M-15 or M-17 being knocked down? I like adventure sailing with my M-15 and believe it is a very capable micro-cruiser. However, I am not sure how it would handle if it were knocked down and swamped.
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Don't know much about M15s, but I turtled a Potter 14 the first time I sailed it, and learned two lessons that I apply to my M17: never sail without the hatch boards in and the hatch fastened, and never cleat off the main in fluky winds. I have even turned my M17 mainsheet tackle upside-down and cleat it with my foot so I can let it out pronto. I know this sounds ridiculously conservative, but it is not that much hassle, and water can be very cold. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smith" <chris.r.smith@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:30 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montys and self rescueing
I've completely flipped my M15, if that's what you're looking for... With inexperienced mates to boot! Fortunately, with some quick thinking and clear direction I managed to flip it back over before it took on too much water. Also, the styrofoam that the hull came packed with when I got it (I assume it was stuffed in there to float it up off the bottom of the ocean) probably helped... The scariest part was how full of water the sail was, and emptying it (swimming under it and pushing up) turned out to be the key to getting it righted. There was PLENTY of wind that day, so we had little trouble getting back to the dock and I shopvac'd the water out of the bilge when I got home.
I learned quite a bit about the limits of maneuverability that day. Now, when people ask if the boat will tip over, I say "Only if I make it".
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:31 PM, John and DesAnne Hippe <jdhippe@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello All,
After reading the post regarding the Texas 200 and the WWP that sunk I was thinking about the Monty's self-recovery ability. I don't recall any postings regarding Monty's being knocked down but am sure it has/can happen. Last year while sailing on Lake Superior around Isle Royale I took some water over the combings -- not a pretty sight seeing 55 degree water pouring into the cockpit...
Has anyone experienced or heard of a M-15 or M-17 being knocked down? I like adventure sailing with my M-15 and believe it is a very capable micro-cruiser. However, I am not sure how it would handle if it were knocked down and swamped.
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The mainsheet tackle that came with my M17 has a becket block with a cam cleat. To release it I have to reach down fairly low in the cockpit to get the proper angle to release the sheet. I'm thinking of putting in a 10-12" pendent and raising the block. Any thoughts? Dumb idea?? Thanks, Joe Seafrog M17 #651 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk@gte.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 3:02 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montys and self rescueing
Don't know much about M15s, but I turtled a Potter 14 the first time I sailed it, and learned two lessons that I apply to my M17: never sail without the hatch boards in and the hatch fastened, and never cleat off the main in fluky winds. I have even turned my M17 mainsheet tackle upside-down and cleat it with my foot so I can let it out pronto. I know this sounds ridiculously conservative, but it is not that much hassle, and water can be very cold.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smith" <chris.r.smith@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:30 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montys and self rescueing
I've completely flipped my M15, if that's what you're looking for... With inexperienced mates to boot! Fortunately, with some quick thinking and clear direction I managed to flip it back over before it took on too much water. Also, the styrofoam that the hull came packed with when I got it (I assume it was stuffed in there to float it up off the bottom of the ocean) probably helped... The scariest part was how full of water the sail was, and emptying it (swimming under it and pushing up) turned out to be the key to getting it righted. There was PLENTY of wind that day, so we had little trouble getting back to the dock and I shopvac'd the water out of the bilge when I got home.
I learned quite a bit about the limits of maneuverability that day. Now, when people ask if the boat will tip over, I say "Only if I make it".
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:31 PM, John and DesAnne Hippe <jdhippe@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello All,
After reading the post regarding the Texas 200 and the WWP that sunk I was thinking about the Monty's self-recovery ability. I don't recall any postings regarding Monty's being knocked down but am sure it has/can happen. Last year while sailing on Lake Superior around Isle Royale I took some water over the combings -- not a pretty sight seeing 55 degree water pouring into the cockpit...
Has anyone experienced or heard of a M-15 or M-17 being knocked down? I like adventure sailing with my M-15 and believe it is a very capable micro-cruiser. However, I am not sure how it would handle if it were knocked down and swamped.
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Joe, As I said in an earlier post, I had the same concern for coping with sudden gusts, so I opted to turn the block upside down. The sheet uncleats when I yank it towards me, and it can be cleated by pulling at a low angle, which can be achieved easily with a foot on the sheet near the cam. Works for me, as they say, and does not give the block more radius to bang around the cockpit. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:40 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montys and self rescueing
The mainsheet tackle that came with my M17 has a becket block with a cam cleat. To release it I have to reach down fairly low in the cockpit to get the proper angle to release the sheet. I'm thinking of putting in a 10-12" pendent and raising the block. Any thoughts? Dumb idea?? Thanks, Joe Seafrog M17 #651
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk@gte.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 3:02 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montys and self rescueing
Don't know much about M15s, but I turtled a Potter 14 the first time I sailed it, and learned two lessons that I apply to my M17: never sail without the hatch boards in and the hatch fastened, and never cleat off the main in fluky winds. I have even turned my M17 mainsheet tackle upside-down and cleat it with my foot so I can let it out pronto. I know this sounds ridiculously conservative, but it is not that much hassle, and water can be very cold.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smith" <chris.r.smith@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:30 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montys and self rescueing
I've completely flipped my M15, if that's what you're looking for... With inexperienced mates to boot! Fortunately, with some quick thinking and clear direction I managed to flip it back over before it took on too much water. Also, the styrofoam that the hull came packed with when I got it (I assume it was stuffed in there to float it up off the bottom of the ocean) probably helped... The scariest part was how full of water the sail was, and emptying it (swimming under it and pushing up) turned out to be the key to getting it righted. There was PLENTY of wind that day, so we had little trouble getting back to the dock and I shopvac'd the water out of the bilge when I got home.
I learned quite a bit about the limits of maneuverability that day. Now, when people ask if the boat will tip over, I say "Only if I make it".
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:31 PM, John and DesAnne Hippe <jdhippe@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello All,
After reading the post regarding the Texas 200 and the WWP that sunk I was thinking about the Monty's self-recovery ability. I don't recall any postings regarding Monty's being knocked down but am sure it has/can happen. Last year while sailing on Lake Superior around Isle Royale I took some water over the combings -- not a pretty sight seeing 55 degree water pouring into the cockpit...
Has anyone experienced or heard of a M-15 or M-17 being knocked down? I like adventure sailing with my M-15 and believe it is a very capable micro-cruiser. However, I am not sure how it would handle if it were knocked down and swamped.
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