Hello All. Surely a sail maker could easily sew 2 ft onto your short sail. I had the same experience when I bought a Compac 16 from a fellow who sailed exclusively on Chesapeake Bay. I suppose he wanted a sail with a permanent “reef”. RTH.
RTH That would work if the original had been shortened. On my sail the foot is at the proper length and it appears that the luff is short so the leech will be at the incorrect angle. I will keep the group posted on my findings after I haul the boat. George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 5:22 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Small Main on a M-15 Hello All. Surely a sail maker could easily sew 2 ft onto your short sail. I had the same experience when I bought a Compac 16 from a fellow who sailed exclusively on Chesapeake Bay. I suppose he wanted a sail with a permanent "reef". RTH.
Thanks for the update, George, I, for one, am really curious about what was done to your rig. Tom B On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 9:05 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
RTH
That would work if the original had been shortened. On my sail the foot is at the proper length and it appears that the luff is short so the leech will be at the incorrect angle. I will keep the group posted on my findings after I haul the boat.
George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails'
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 5:22 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Small Main on a M-15
Hello All. Surely a sail maker could easily sew 2 ft onto your short sail. I had the same experience when I bought a Compac 16 from a fellow who sailed exclusively on Chesapeake Bay. I suppose he wanted a sail with a permanent "reef". RTH.
Someone could have trimmed 2' off the sail at the head, then trimmed the leech to a fair curve, and then rebuilt the head patches and the leech tapes. The draft position would be in the wrong place in the top section of the sail (too far aft), however, if that were done. The previous owner obviously wasn't concerned with optimizing his M15's sailing ability, so I'm assuming anything goes. If he cared about sailing performance, he'd have put in a reef, instead of getting a too-small sail., As you wrote, George, it's possible, (although not optimal, IMO) to cut a sail to make it smaller... but it's generally a bad idea to try to make it bigger ;) I've heard of taking old sails and making then smaller to make trainer-sized sails for use in local community-based non-profit sailing programs, for donated boats. (I've done that myself in years long past.) But I've never heard of anybody make sails bigger! Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com judy@judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica ________________________________ From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 7:05 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Small Main on a M-15 RTH That would work if the original had been shortened. On my sail the foot is at the proper length and it appears that the luff is short so the leech will be at the incorrect angle. I will keep the group posted on my findings after I haul the boat. George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 5:22 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Small Main on a M-15 Hello All. Surely a sail maker could easily sew 2 ft onto your short sail. I had the same experience when I bought a Compac 16 from a fellow who sailed exclusively on Chesapeake Bay. I suppose he wanted a sail with a permanent "reef". RTH.
Judy, What would it cost to get replacement sails for my M-15 from you? Could I get the original numbers included? What about the original colors of blue and light blue panels on the white background? What does shipping cost to South Puget Sound? Thanx, Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb@blumhorst.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 11:22 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Small Main on a M-15 Someone could have trimmed 2' off the sail at the head, then trimmed the leech to a fair curve, and then rebuilt the head patches and the leech tapes. The draft position would be in the wrong place in the top section of the sail (too far aft), however, if that were done. The previous owner obviously wasn't concerned with optimizing his M15's sailing ability, so I'm assuming anything goes. If he cared about sailing performance, he'd have put in a reef, instead of getting a too-small sail., As you wrote, George, it's possible, (although not optimal, IMO) to cut a sail to make it smaller... but it's generally a bad idea to try to make it bigger ;) I've heard of taking old sails and making then smaller to make trainer-sized sails for use in local community-based non-profit sailing programs, for donated boats. (I've done that myself in years long past.) But I've never heard of anybody make sails bigger! Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com judy@judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica ________________________________ From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 7:05 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Small Main on a M-15 RTH That would work if the original had been shortened. On my sail the foot is at the proper length and it appears that the luff is short so the leech will be at the incorrect angle. I will keep the group posted on my findings after I haul the boat. George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 5:22 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Small Main on a M-15 Hello All. Surely a sail maker could easily sew 2 ft onto your short sail. I had the same experience when I bought a Compac 16 from a fellow who sailed exclusively on Chesapeake Bay. I suppose he wanted a sail with a permanent "reef". RTH. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3408 / Virus Database: 3222/6714 - Release Date: 10/01/13
Judy That would answer one of my research questions also. George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of stevetrapp Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 2:19 PM To: Judith Blumhorst, DC; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Small Main on a M-15 Judy, What would it cost to get replacement sails for my M-15 from you? Could I get the original numbers included? What about the original colors of blue and light blue panels on the white background? What does shipping cost to South Puget Sound? Thanx, Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb@blumhorst.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 11:22 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Small Main on a M-15 Someone could have trimmed 2' off the sail at the head, then trimmed the leech to a fair curve, and then rebuilt the head patches and the leech tapes. The draft position would be in the wrong place in the top section of the sail (too far aft), however, if that were done. The previous owner obviously wasn't concerned with optimizing his M15's sailing ability, so I'm assuming anything goes. If he cared about sailing performance, he'd have put in a reef, instead of getting a too-small sail., As you wrote, George, it's possible, (although not optimal, IMO) to cut a sail to make it smaller... but it's generally a bad idea to try to make it bigger ;) I've heard of taking old sails and making then smaller to make trainer-sized sails for use in local community-based non-profit sailing programs, for donated boats. (I've done that myself in years long past.) But I've never heard of anybody make sails bigger! Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com judy@judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica ________________________________ From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 7:05 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Small Main on a M-15 RTH That would work if the original had been shortened. On my sail the foot is at the proper length and it appears that the luff is short so the leech will be at the incorrect angle. I will keep the group posted on my findings after I haul the boat. George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 5:22 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Small Main on a M-15 Hello All. Surely a sail maker could easily sew 2 ft onto your short sail. I had the same experience when I bought a Compac 16 from a fellow who sailed exclusively on Chesapeake Bay. I suppose he wanted a sail with a permanent "reef". RTH. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3408 / Virus Database: 3222/6714 - Release Date: 10/01/13
Hi Steve, You can read a detailed description of my M15 sails at http://www.judybsails.com/Montgomery-15-s/81.htm. You can choose your options and get the price on the webpage there as well: how many full-length battens, number of reefs, draft stripes or not. The price shown on the website includes sail numbers on the mainsail. Shipping in the USA is free for the month of November. Three colors (white, medium blue and dark blue) blue will cost an additional 20% surcharge because it takes more time and wastes more cloth. Lead times are 3-5 weeks after you fill out and return the basic sail measurement form to me. Any questions, please call or email Regards, Judy Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com judy@judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica ________________________________ From: stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> To: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb@blumhorst.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:18 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Small Main on a M-15 Judy, What would it cost to get replacement sails for my M-15 from you? Could I get the original numbers included? What about the original colors of blue and light blue panels on the white background? What does shipping cost to South Puget Sound? Thanx, Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb@blumhorst.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 11:22 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Small Main on a M-15 Someone could have trimmed 2' off the sail at the head, then trimmed the leech to a fair curve, and then rebuilt the head patches and the leech tapes. The draft position would be in the wrong place in the top section of the sail (too far aft), however, if that were done. The previous owner obviously wasn't concerned with optimizing his M15's sailing ability, so I'm assuming anything goes. If he cared about sailing performance, he'd have put in a reef, instead of getting a too-small sail., As you wrote, George, it's possible, (although not optimal, IMO) to cut a sail to make it smaller... but it's generally a bad idea to try to make it bigger ;) I've heard of taking old sails and making then smaller to make trainer-sized sails for use in local community-based non-profit sailing programs, for donated boats. (I've done that myself in years long past.) But I've never heard of anybody make sails bigger! Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com judy@judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica ________________________________ From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 7:05 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Small Main on a M-15 RTH That would work if the original had been shortened. On my sail the foot is at the proper length and it appears that the luff is short so the leech will be at the incorrect angle. I will keep the group posted on my findings after I haul the boat. George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 5:22 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Small Main on a M-15 Hello All. Surely a sail maker could easily sew 2 ft onto your short sail. I had the same experience when I bought a Compac 16 from a fellow who sailed exclusively on Chesapeake Bay. I suppose he wanted a sail with a permanent "reef". RTH. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3408 / Virus Database: 3222/6714 - Release Date: 10/01/13
Judy Just returned from boat getting ready to haul tomorrow stripped sails and found that Main 'P' measures 14' no wonder I did not have any problems in 20K the other day:-) Also explains why there are no reef cringles. I measured 7 & 3/4" roach at 1st batten 4' from foot, 10" roach at 2nd batten 8' from foot and 7 & 1/2" roach at the 3rd batten 11' from the foot. I know above will have meaning to you Judy and other sail makers. Now have to consider getting a set of new or used sails I know I will hear from this group regarding the Pros & Cons have at it. George Merry Helen II M5 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Judith Blumhorst, DC Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 1:22 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Small Main on a M-15 Someone could have trimmed 2' off the sail at the head, then trimmed the leech to a fair curve, and then rebuilt the head patches and the leech tapes. The draft position would be in the wrong place in the top section of the sail (too far aft), however, if that were done. The previous owner obviously wasn't concerned with optimizing his M15's sailing ability, so I'm assuming anything goes. If he cared about sailing performance, he'd have put in a reef, instead of getting a too-small sail., As you wrote, George, it's possible, (although not optimal, IMO) to cut a sail to make it smaller... but it's generally a bad idea to try to make it bigger ;) I've heard of taking old sails and making then smaller to make trainer-sized sails for use in local community-based non-profit sailing programs, for donated boats. (I've done that myself in years long past.) But I've never heard of anybody make sails bigger! Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com judy@judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica ________________________________ From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 7:05 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Small Main on a M-15 RTH That would work if the original had been shortened. On my sail the foot is at the proper length and it appears that the luff is short so the leech will be at the incorrect angle. I will keep the group posted on my findings after I haul the boat. George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 5:22 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Small Main on a M-15 Hello All. Surely a sail maker could easily sew 2 ft onto your short sail. I had the same experience when I bought a Compac 16 from a fellow who sailed exclusively on Chesapeake Bay. I suppose he wanted a sail with a permanent "reef". RTH.
Fixing that old, too-small sail to fit a bigger boat would cost more than buying a new one ready made. It'd be asking a tailor to alter a size 36 suit-jacket fit a size 48 man. It's not practical. A fine boat like an M15 deserves a properly fitted and constructed suit of sails. Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com judy@judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica Someone wrote: Hello All. Surely a sail maker could easily sew 2 ft onto your short sail. I had the same experience when I bought a Compac 16 from a fellow who sailed exclusively on Chesapeake Bay. I suppose he wanted a sail with a permanent “reef”. RTH.
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