I'm catching up to this thread a little late and haven't followed each twist. I run our new Honda 2.3 (and the Honda 2 before it) at very low throttle settings most of the time. On flat water I typically set the throttle just above what it takes for the centrifugal clutch to fully engage and that pushes our Montgomery 15 along at about 3.8 miles per hour. At those throttle settings we typically get between 2 and 2.5 hours on a tank, which I believe is around a liter. For fuel on long trips, we use an external tank with a rubber fuel line and a bulb pump rigged to connect to a modified spare fuel cap on the motor. It takes about 30 pumps of the bulb to fill the tank when empty. If there is not much going on, we normally run the tank down until the motor starts to falter and then pump the tank full. We've done numerous week long trips and this approach has always worked well for us. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 10:23:04 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Aux fuel To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6crkUaMGo0QzGWtkZFR18v_=+-C6yCAE324RGWCjC1WA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Honda 2/2.3 at about 1/2 throttle (more than enough for a M15, Sage 15, SageCat, and Sage 17), burn about a little under a liter and hour (aka one tank of fuel). My practice is to refill the tank every 45-50 minutes so the motor will restart on a single pull (if you run dry multiple pulls needed to get fuel into carb). I recommend using a 'No-Spill' brand gas can. For day sailing I had a 1-gallon that was easy to lift and fill motor. For cruising had an additional 2.5gallon can. Would transfer fuel from 2.5 to 1 gallon can for easy filling the motor. Info on 'No-Spill' - https://nospill.com/ The 3.5 gallons in cans and a full motor tank gives 15+ hours of range. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
Seeing this thread on fuel can storage makes me think of one of those winter projects I haven't gotten to- an insert for the aft end of the cockpit of my M15. Its an area that really doesn't get any use, other than to hold one feet when you stretch out to enjoy the stars- the insert would turn it into shaded storage for a gas can or two, a tray for loose stuff in the cockpit, maybe drink holders, maybe a handy spot for the legally-required throw cushion that would also double as foot rest when lying down. I've put a rough sketch of the concept below; curious if anyone else has worked up something like this. I've got an alternate version in mind that is a drop in battery holder/trolling motor mount only for use on those mornings when the lake is glass and the fish are calling. Alex [image: Add-in stern storage.jpg] On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 3:52 PM David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I'm catching up to this thread a little late and haven't followed each twist. I run our new Honda 2.3 (and the Honda 2 before it) at very low throttle settings most of the time. On flat water I typically set the throttle just above what it takes for the centrifugal clutch to fully engage and that pushes our Montgomery 15 along at about 3.8 miles per hour. At those throttle settings we typically get between 2 and 2.5 hours on a tank, which I believe is around a liter. For fuel on long trips, we use an external tank with a rubber fuel line and a bulb pump rigged to connect to a modified spare fuel cap on the motor. It takes about 30 pumps of the bulb to fill the tank when empty. If there is not much going on, we normally run the tank down until the motor starts to falter and then pump the tank full. We've done numerous week long trips and this approach has always worked well for us. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 10:23:04 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Aux fuel To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6crkUaMGo0QzGWtkZFR18v_=+-C6yCAE324RGWCjC1WA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Honda 2/2.3 at about 1/2 throttle (more than enough for a M15, Sage 15, SageCat, and Sage 17), burn about a little under a liter and hour (aka one tank of fuel). My practice is to refill the tank every 45-50 minutes so the motor will restart on a single pull (if you run dry multiple pulls needed to get fuel into carb).
I recommend using a 'No-Spill' brand gas can. For day sailing I had a 1-gallon that was easy to lift and fill motor. For cruising had an additional 2.5gallon can. Would transfer fuel from 2.5 to 1 gallon can for easy filling the motor.
Info on 'No-Spill' - https://nospill.com/
The 3.5 gallons in cans and a full motor tank gives 15+ hours of range.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
Myself, I've been holding out for the right electric outboard. Theoretically I could get 4 hours (if you believe the brochure), and a spare battery down below Too spendy for me to try it yet though... On Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:13 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Seeing this thread on fuel can storage makes me think of one of those winter projects I haven't gotten to- an insert for the aft end of the cockpit of my M15. Its an area that really doesn't get any use, other than to hold one feet when you stretch out to enjoy the stars- the insert would turn it into shaded storage for a gas can or two, a tray for loose stuff in the cockpit, maybe drink holders, maybe a handy spot for the legally-required throw cushion that would also double as foot rest when lying down. I've put a rough sketch of the concept below; curious if anyone else has worked up something like this. I've got an alternate version in mind that is a drop in battery holder/trolling motor mount only for use on those mornings when the lake is glass and the fish are calling.
Alex
[image: Add-in stern storage.jpg]
On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 3:52 PM David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I'm catching up to this thread a little late and haven't followed each twist. I run our new Honda 2.3 (and the Honda 2 before it) at very low throttle settings most of the time. On flat water I typically set the throttle just above what it takes for the centrifugal clutch to fully engage and that pushes our Montgomery 15 along at about 3.8 miles per hour. At those throttle settings we typically get between 2 and 2.5 hours on a tank, which I believe is around a liter. For fuel on long trips, we use an external tank with a rubber fuel line and a bulb pump rigged to connect to a modified spare fuel cap on the motor. It takes about 30 pumps of the bulb to fill the tank when empty. If there is not much going on, we normally run the tank down until the motor starts to falter and then pump the tank full. We've done numerous week long trips and this approach has always worked well for us. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 10:23:04 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Aux fuel To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6crkUaMGo0QzGWtkZFR18v_=+-C6yCAE324RGWCjC1WA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Honda 2/2.3 at about 1/2 throttle (more than enough for a M15, Sage 15, SageCat, and Sage 17), burn about a little under a liter and hour (aka one tank of fuel). My practice is to refill the tank every 45-50 minutes so the motor will restart on a single pull (if you run dry multiple pulls needed to get fuel into carb).
I recommend using a 'No-Spill' brand gas can. For day sailing I had a 1-gallon that was easy to lift and fill motor. For cruising had an additional 2.5gallon can. Would transfer fuel from 2.5 to 1 gallon can for easy filling the motor.
Info on 'No-Spill' - https://nospill.com/
The 3.5 gallons in cans and a full motor tank gives 15+ hours of range.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
Thanks Jennifer What type of external fuel tank do you u use? Does it have a connection for pump/fuel line? Where to you secure the external tank? Capt Jim SV Pelican -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Wood <jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 8:28 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Aux fuel Myself, I've been holding out for the right electric outboard. Theoretically I could get 4 hours (if you believe the brochure), and a spare battery down below Too spendy for me to try it yet though... On Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:13 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Seeing this thread on fuel can storage makes me think of one of those winter projects I haven't gotten to- an insert for the aft end of the cockpit of my M15. Its an area that really doesn't get any use, other than to hold one feet when you stretch out to enjoy the stars- the insert would turn it into shaded storage for a gas can or two, a tray for loose stuff in the cockpit, maybe drink holders, maybe a handy spot for the legally-required throw cushion that would also double as foot rest when lying down. I've put a rough sketch of the concept below; curious if anyone else has worked up something like this. I've got an alternate version in mind that is a drop in battery holder/trolling motor mount only for use on those mornings when the lake is glass and the fish are calling.
Alex
[image: Add-in stern storage.jpg]
On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 3:52 PM David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I'm catching up to this thread a little late and haven't followed each twist. I run our new Honda 2.3 (and the Honda 2 before it) at very low throttle settings most of the time. On flat water I typically set the throttle just above what it takes for the centrifugal clutch to fully engage and that pushes our Montgomery 15 along at about 3.8 miles per hour. At those throttle settings we typically get between 2 and 2.5 hours on a tank, which I believe is around a liter. For fuel on long trips, we use an external tank with a rubber fuel line and a bulb pump rigged to connect to a modified spare fuel cap on the motor. It takes about 30 pumps of the bulb to fill the tank when empty. If there is not much going on, we normally run the tank down until the motor starts to falter and then pump the tank full. We've done numerous week long trips and this approach has always worked well for us. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 10:23:04 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Aux fuel To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID:
<CAGjBOA6crkUaMGo0QzGWtkZFR18v_=+-C6yCAE324RGWCjC1WA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Honda 2/2.3 at about 1/2 throttle (more than enough for a M15, Sage 15, SageCat, and Sage 17), burn about a little under a liter and hour (aka one tank of fuel). My practice is to refill the tank every 45-50 minutes so the motor will restart on a single pull (if you run dry multiple pulls needed to get fuel into carb).
I recommend using a 'No-Spill' brand gas can. For day sailing I had a 1-gallon that was easy to lift and fill motor. For cruising had an additional 2.5gallon can. Would transfer fuel from 2.5 to 1 gallon can for easy filling the motor.
Info on 'No-Spill' - https://nospill.com/
The 3.5 gallons in cans and a full motor tank gives 15+ hours of range.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
I've got something similar, but it's a folding dinghy I designed that fits just above the gas tank. On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 08:13:54 PM PDT, Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote: Seeing this thread on fuel can storage makes me think of one of those winter projects I haven't gotten to- an insert for the aft end of the cockpit of my M15. Its an area that really doesn't get any use, other than to hold one feet when you stretch out to enjoy the stars- the insert would turn it into shaded storage for a gas can or two, a tray for loose stuff in the cockpit, maybe drink holders, maybe a handy spot for the legally-required throw cushion that would also double as foot rest when lying down. I've put a rough sketch of the concept below; curious if anyone else has worked up something like this. I've got an alternate version in mind that is a drop in battery holder/trolling motor mount only for use on those mornings when the lake is glass and the fish are calling. Alex [image: Add-in stern storage.jpg] On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 3:52 PM David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I'm catching up to this thread a little late and haven't followed each twist. I run our new Honda 2.3 (and the Honda 2 before it) at very low throttle settings most of the time. On flat water I typically set the throttle just above what it takes for the centrifugal clutch to fully engage and that pushes our Montgomery 15 along at about 3.8 miles per hour. At those throttle settings we typically get between 2 and 2.5 hours on a tank, which I believe is around a liter. For fuel on long trips, we use an external tank with a rubber fuel line and a bulb pump rigged to connect to a modified spare fuel cap on the motor. It takes about 30 pumps of the bulb to fill the tank when empty. If there is not much going on, we normally run the tank down until the motor starts to falter and then pump the tank full. We've done numerous week long trips and this approach has always worked well for us. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 10:23:04 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Aux fuel To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6crkUaMGo0QzGWtkZFR18v_=+-C6yCAE324RGWCjC1WA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Honda 2/2.3 at about 1/2 throttle (more than enough for a M15, Sage 15, SageCat, and Sage 17), burn about a little under a liter and hour (aka one tank of fuel). My practice is to refill the tank every 45-50 minutes so the motor will restart on a single pull (if you run dry multiple pulls needed to get fuel into carb).
I recommend using a 'No-Spill' brand gas can. For day sailing I had a 1-gallon that was easy to lift and fill motor. For cruising had an additional 2.5gallon can. Would transfer fuel from 2.5 to 1 gallon can for easy filling the motor.
Info on 'No-Spill' - https://nospill.com/
The 3.5 gallons in cans and a full motor tank gives 15+ hours of range.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
Plans? John M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee" On 6/20/2023 8:54 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
I've got something similar, but it's a folding dinghy I designed that fits just above the gas tank.
On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 08:13:54 PM PDT, Alex Conley<conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Seeing this thread on fuel can storage makes me think of one of those winter projects I haven't gotten to- an insert for the aft end of the cockpit of my M15. Its an area that really doesn't get any use, other than to hold one feet when you stretch out to enjoy the stars- the insert would turn it into shaded storage for a gas can or two, a tray for loose stuff in the cockpit, maybe drink holders, maybe a handy spot for the legally-required throw cushion that would also double as foot rest when lying down. I've put a rough sketch of the concept below; curious if anyone else has worked up something like this. I've got an alternate version in mind that is a drop in battery holder/trolling motor mount only for use on those mornings when the lake is glass and the fish are calling.
Alex
[image: Add-in stern storage.jpg]
On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 3:52 PM David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I'm catching up to this thread a little late and haven't followed each twist. I run our new Honda 2.3 (and the Honda 2 before it) at very low throttle settings most of the time. On flat water I typically set the throttle just above what it takes for the centrifugal clutch to fully engage and that pushes our Montgomery 15 along at about 3.8 miles per hour. At those throttle settings we typically get between 2 and 2.5 hours on a tank, which I believe is around a liter. For fuel on long trips, we use an external tank with a rubber fuel line and a bulb pump rigged to connect to a modified spare fuel cap on the motor. It takes about 30 pumps of the bulb to fill the tank when empty. If there is not much going on, we normally run the tank down until the motor starts to falter and then pump the tank full. We've done numerous week long trips and this approach has always worked well for us. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 10:23:04 -0700 From: Dave Scobie<scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Aux fuel To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6crkUaMGo0QzGWtkZFR18v_=+-C6yCAE324RGWCjC1WA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Honda 2/2.3 at about 1/2 throttle (more than enough for a M15, Sage 15, SageCat, and Sage 17), burn about a little under a liter and hour (aka one tank of fuel). My practice is to refill the tank every 45-50 minutes so the motor will restart on a single pull (if you run dry multiple pulls needed to get fuel into carb).
I recommend using a 'No-Spill' brand gas can. For day sailing I had a 1-gallon that was easy to lift and fill motor. For cruising had an additional 2.5gallon can. Would transfer fuel from 2.5 to 1 gallon can for easy filling the motor.
Info on 'No-Spill' -https://nospill.com/
The 3.5 gallons in cans and a full motor tank gives 15+ hours of range.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
Thanks Skipper Looks like a Bristol install. Capt Jim -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2023 5:55 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com>; Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Aux fuel I've got something similar, but it's a folding dinghy I designed that fits just above the gas tank. On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 08:13:54 PM PDT, Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote: Seeing this thread on fuel can storage makes me think of one of those winter projects I haven't gotten to- an insert for the aft end of the cockpit of my M15. Its an area that really doesn't get any use, other than to hold one feet when you stretch out to enjoy the stars- the insert would turn it into shaded storage for a gas can or two, a tray for loose stuff in the cockpit, maybe drink holders, maybe a handy spot for the legally-required throw cushion that would also double as foot rest when lying down. I've put a rough sketch of the concept below; curious if anyone else has worked up something like this. I've got an alternate version in mind that is a drop in battery holder/trolling motor mount only for use on those mornings when the lake is glass and the fish are calling. Alex [image: Add-in stern storage.jpg] On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 3:52 PM David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I'm catching up to this thread a little late and haven't followed each twist. I run our new Honda 2.3 (and the Honda 2 before it) at very low throttle settings most of the time. On flat water I typically set the throttle just above what it takes for the centrifugal clutch to fully engage and that pushes our Montgomery 15 along at about 3.8 miles per hour. At those throttle settings we typically get between 2 and 2.5 hours on a tank, which I believe is around a liter. For fuel on long trips, we use an external tank with a rubber fuel line and a bulb pump rigged to connect to a modified spare fuel cap on the motor. It takes about 30 pumps of the bulb to fill the tank when empty. If there is not much going on, we normally run the tank down until the motor starts to falter and then pump the tank full. We've done numerous week long trips and this approach has always worked well for us. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 10:23:04 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Aux fuel To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6crkUaMGo0QzGWtkZFR18v_=+-C6yCAE324RGWCjC1WA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Honda 2/2.3 at about 1/2 throttle (more than enough for a M15, Sage 15, SageCat, and Sage 17), burn about a little under a liter and hour (aka one tank of fuel). My practice is to refill the tank every 45-50 minutes so the motor will restart on a single pull (if you run dry multiple pulls needed to get fuel into carb).
I recommend using a 'No-Spill' brand gas can. For day sailing I had a 1-gallon that was easy to lift and fill motor. For cruising had an additional 2.5gallon can. Would transfer fuel from 2.5 to 1 gallon can for easy filling the motor.
Info on 'No-Spill' - https://nospill.com/
The 3.5 gallons in cans and a full motor tank gives 15+ hours of range.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
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