Montypals: I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer? Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
Daniel, I'm just guessing but your M15 might come in at up to 50lbs or more heavier than the typical M15 with only a bow pulpit. I don't know how thick the gauge is of the stainless steel tubing on your rear pulpit and your stanchions, but no doubt it adds up. For example, my stainless steel 2 position mast crutch has probably only have the total length of steel tubing of your stern pulpit and it is quite weighty. The other consideration is if your trailer's collapsible tongue is anything like mine, it is accounting for some of the weight for sure. MIght meaure in at some 8' long and it probably never gets extended nearly to the extreme--even at Miller's Cove. I've been thinking about having 2' cut off on my trailer extention, still leaving plenty of room for extension for those tricky ramp situations. -Neil On 09/27/2012 03:47 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
Montypals:
I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
-- -Neil
I have a beefy trailer with a thick steel extension. It has already been trimmed down a bit by the previous owner. My lifelines and stanchions have been removed recently by me. The pulpits look pretty standard. I would be shocked if my stern pulpit weighed more than 15 pounds. The bow pulpit is stock. Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Neil Dorf <ndorf@surfbest.net> wrote:
Daniel,
I'm just guessing but your M15 might come in at up to 50lbs or more heavier than the typical M15 with only a bow pulpit. I don't know how thick the gauge is of the stainless steel tubing on your rear pulpit and your stanchions, but no doubt it adds up. For example, my stainless steel 2 position mast crutch has probably only have the total length of steel tubing of your stern pulpit and it is quite weighty.
The other consideration is if your trailer's collapsible tongue is anything like mine, it is accounting for some of the weight for sure. MIght meaure in at some 8' long and it probably never gets extended nearly to the extreme--even at Miller's Cove. I've been thinking about having 2' cut off on my trailer extention, still leaving plenty of room for extension for those tricky ramp situations.
-Neil
On 09/27/2012 03:47 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
Montypals:
I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
--
-Neil
Go to "E Trailor" and look up your car - they have hitches for ALL, and give the towing capability - most lighter/smaller cars are 200 TW, 2000 to pull or MORE -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer Montypals: I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer? Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
My current hitch on my Accord has TW 200 pounds, and trailer 2000 pounds. But the Accord is rated to pull 1000 pounds in the manual. My Outback is rated to 2700 pounds towing amazingly enough. No, I am really surprised at the total weight. Has anybody else weighed their boats and trailers? Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 4:54 PM, "August Trometer" <atrometer@gmail.com> wrote:
Go to "E Trailor" and look up your car - they have hitches for ALL, and give the towing capability - most lighter/smaller cars are 200 TW, 2000 to pull or MORE
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
Montypals:
I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
I don't know if it helps, but the Montgomery Boats website has the standard 15 at 750 lbs and the 17 at 1600 lbs, without trailer of course. My M17 weighs 3000 lbs on the trailer loaded for action but sans motor, and somewhere I got the idea that the trailer weighs 800 lbs. Since that puts the boat at 2200, I also wonder where the extra 600 lbs comes from. Surely the accessory battery, switch, panel and wiring cannot weigh that much. I will have to weigh the trailer separately to get a real answer; maybe a scale at Havasu? On Sep 27, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
My current hitch on my Accord has TW 200 pounds, and trailer 2000 pounds. But the Accord is rated to pull 1000 pounds in the manual. My Outback is rated to 2700 pounds towing amazingly enough.
No, I am really surprised at the total weight. Has anybody else weighed their boats and trailers?
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 4:54 PM, "August Trometer" <atrometer@gmail.com> wrote:
Go to "E Trailor" and look up your car - they have hitches for ALL, and give the towing capability - most lighter/smaller cars are 200 TW, 2000 to pull or MORE
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
Montypals:
I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
Yes, that does help. What about your trailer? Single axle? Brakes? Spare? My trailer has no extra parts except the extension that comes with the trailer. Now, it is beefy. 14 inch tires. No spare mounted. Wheel jack that weighs about 20 pounds. Even imagining another 100 pounds in the boat of miscellany, that puts my trailer at like 750 pounds. Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
I don't know if it helps, but the Montgomery Boats website has the standard 15 at 750 lbs and the 17 at 1600 lbs, without trailer of course. My M17 weighs 3000 lbs on the trailer loaded for action but sans motor, and somewhere I got the idea that the trailer weighs 800 lbs. Since that puts the boat at 2200, I also wonder where the extra 600 lbs comes from. Surely the accessory battery, switch, panel and wiring cannot weigh that much. I will have to weigh the trailer separately to get a real answer; maybe a scale at Havasu?
On Sep 27, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
My current hitch on my Accord has TW 200 pounds, and trailer 2000 pounds. But the Accord is rated to pull 1000 pounds in the manual. My Outback is rated to 2700 pounds towing amazingly enough.
No, I am really surprised at the total weight. Has anybody else weighed their boats and trailers?
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 4:54 PM, "August Trometer" <atrometer@gmail.com> wrote:
Go to "E Trailor" and look up your car - they have hitches for ALL, and give the towing capability - most lighter/smaller cars are 200 TW, 2000 to pull or MORE
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
Montypals:
I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
The 17's I made weighed in at around 1550, and the lone 15 I weighed was about 800 lbs. These are dry weights. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer Yes, that does help. What about your trailer? Single axle? Brakes? Spare? My trailer has no extra parts except the extension that comes with the trailer. Now, it is beefy. 14 inch tires. No spare mounted. Wheel jack that weighs about 20 pounds. Even imagining another 100 pounds in the boat of miscellany, that puts my trailer at like 750 pounds. Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
I don't know if it helps, but the Montgomery Boats website has the standard 15 at 750 lbs and the 17 at 1600 lbs, without trailer of course. My M17 weighs 3000 lbs on the trailer loaded for action but sans motor, and somewhere I got the idea that the trailer weighs 800 lbs. Since that puts the boat at 2200, I also wonder where the extra 600 lbs comes from. Surely the accessory battery, switch, panel and wiring cannot weigh that much. I will have to weigh the trailer separately to get a real answer; maybe a scale at Havasu?
On Sep 27, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
My current hitch on my Accord has TW 200 pounds, and trailer 2000 pounds. But the Accord is rated to pull 1000 pounds in the manual. My Outback is rated to 2700 pounds towing amazingly enough.
No, I am really surprised at the total weight. Has anybody else weighed their boats and trailers?
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 4:54 PM, "August Trometer" <atrometer@gmail.com> wrote:
Go to "E Trailor" and look up your car - they have hitches for ALL, and give the towing capability - most lighter/smaller cars are 200 TW, 2000 to pull or MORE
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
Montypals:
I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
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Now that I think about it, I have the 38" extension, the spare tire and carrier, and I have added loading guides and surge brake calibers and activator since I weighed my rig. Possibly the IdaSailor rudder with the stainless mast carrier weighs more than the stock rudder and wooden carrier. Hopefully I won't think of anything else to add. The Pacific Trailer guys have proved nice in the past, and probably have all the info necessary to estimate a weight for anything they sell. As for me, I hauled a 10,000 lb Nor Sea 27 with an underpowered pickup truck for decades,, so this time I got a rig that hardly feels the boat. On Sep 27, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
Yes, that does help. What about your trailer? Single axle? Brakes? Spare? My trailer has no extra parts except the extension that comes with the trailer. Now, it is beefy. 14 inch tires. No spare mounted. Wheel jack that weighs about 20 pounds. Even imagining another 100 pounds in the boat of miscellany, that puts my trailer at like 750 pounds.
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
I don't know if it helps, but the Montgomery Boats website has the standard 15 at 750 lbs and the 17 at 1600 lbs, without trailer of course. My M17 weighs 3000 lbs on the trailer loaded for action but sans motor, and somewhere I got the idea that the trailer weighs 800 lbs. Since that puts the boat at 2200, I also wonder where the extra 600 lbs comes from. Surely the accessory battery, switch, panel and wiring cannot weigh that much. I will have to weigh the trailer separately to get a real answer; maybe a scale at Havasu?
On Sep 27, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
My current hitch on my Accord has TW 200 pounds, and trailer 2000 pounds. But the Accord is rated to pull 1000 pounds in the manual. My Outback is rated to 2700 pounds towing amazingly enough.
No, I am really surprised at the total weight. Has anybody else weighed their boats and trailers?
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 4:54 PM, "August Trometer" <atrometer@gmail.com> wrote:
Go to "E Trailor" and look up your car - they have hitches for ALL, and give the towing capability - most lighter/smaller cars are 200 TW, 2000 to pull or MORE
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
Montypals:
I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
Aloha, If you mean etrailer.com, their ratings are way off for vehicles I have personally owned that are on the small end of things. They are quoting 2000 lb. towing capacity for at least two small cars I know are mfg. rated at 1000 lb. capacity, and that with caveats about "not really recommended for serious towing, and be really careful, or only with 5-speed, or only with automatic, and so on..." There are some other online databases for tow ratings that seem more accurate, this being one: http://www.campinglife.com/tow-ratings-database/ ...I found another that appeared to be pulling from same base data, can't find it now but it had a few more mfg. details. cheers, John S. On 09/27/2012 04:54 PM, August Trometer wrote:
Go to "E Trailor" and look up your car - they have hitches for ALL, and give the towing capability - most lighter/smaller cars are 200 TW, 2000 to pull or MORE
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
Montypals:
I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net http://eco-living.net
The whole thing is a bit concerning. I am just shocked at the total weight. I really am. I have been towing all over the place with my Honda Accord, with no problems. I leave lots of space for braking. Now, an emergency braking situation could be dicey. My Outback is rated at 2700 lbs, but the caveat there is that above 1000 pounds they recommend that the trailer have brakes. Whoo boy. Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:29 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Aloha,
If you mean etrailer.com, their ratings are way off for vehicles I have personally owned that are on the small end of things. They are quoting 2000 lb. towing capacity for at least two small cars I know are mfg. rated at 1000 lb. capacity, and that with caveats about "not really recommended for serious towing, and be really careful, or only with 5-speed, or only with automatic, and so on..."
There are some other online databases for tow ratings that seem more accurate, this being one: http://www.campinglife.com/tow-ratings-database/
...I found another that appeared to be pulling from same base data, can't find it now but it had a few more mfg. details.
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 04:54 PM, August Trometer wrote:
Go to "E Trailor" and look up your car - they have hitches for ALL, and give the towing capability - most lighter/smaller cars are 200 TW, 2000 to pull or MORE
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
Montypals:
I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net http://eco-living.net
Could there be a mistake in the weighing? Just wondering...seems like you'd feel some scary stuff with a rig that heavy on a car rated 1000 lb. but sounds like it doesn't drive that scary. cheers, John S. On 09/27/2012 08:33 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
The whole thing is a bit concerning. I am just shocked at the total weight. I really am.
I have been towing all over the place with my Honda Accord, with no problems. I leave lots of space for braking. Now, an emergency braking situation could be dicey. My Outback is rated at 2700 lbs, but the caveat there is that above 1000 pounds they recommend that the trailer have brakes. Whoo boy.
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:29 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Aloha,
If you mean etrailer.com, their ratings are way off for vehicles I have personally owned that are on the small end of things. They are quoting 2000 lb. towing capacity for at least two small cars I know are mfg. rated at 1000 lb. capacity, and that with caveats about "not really recommended for serious towing, and be really careful, or only with 5-speed, or only with automatic, and so on..."
There are some other online databases for tow ratings that seem more accurate, this being one: http://www.campinglife.com/tow-ratings-database/
...I found another that appeared to be pulling from same base data, can't find it now but it had a few more mfg. details.
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 04:54 PM, August Trometer wrote:
Go to "E Trailor" and look up your car - they have hitches for ALL, and give the towing capability - most lighter/smaller cars are 200 TW, 2000 to pull or MORE
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
Montypals:
I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net http://eco-living.net
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net http://eco-living.net
It's possible. The scale I used was at a winery. They are certified by the state, and can certify for DMV forms. Apparently the scale is calibrated regularly, and accurate to 20 lbs. Now, having said that, the scale is long enough to fit a full big rig. My boat and trailer were in the middle of it, with at least two car lengths on either side of it still being the scale. I didn't ask the range that the scale weighs. Perhaps this is a really low weight for this scale, and as such, perhaps it is inaccurate. I will call them tomorrow and ask. Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:50 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Could there be a mistake in the weighing? Just wondering...seems like you'd feel some scary stuff with a rig that heavy on a car rated 1000 lb. but sounds like it doesn't drive that scary.
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 08:33 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
The whole thing is a bit concerning. I am just shocked at the total weight. I really am.
I have been towing all over the place with my Honda Accord, with no problems. I leave lots of space for braking. Now, an emergency braking situation could be dicey. My Outback is rated at 2700 lbs, but the caveat there is that above 1000 pounds they recommend that the trailer have brakes. Whoo boy.
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:29 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Aloha,
If you mean etrailer.com, their ratings are way off for vehicles I have personally owned that are on the small end of things. They are quoting 2000 lb. towing capacity for at least two small cars I know are mfg. rated at 1000 lb. capacity, and that with caveats about "not really recommended for serious towing, and be really careful, or only with 5-speed, or only with automatic, and so on..."
There are some other online databases for tow ratings that seem more accurate, this being one: http://www.campinglife.com/tow-ratings-database/
...I found another that appeared to be pulling from same base data, can't find it now but it had a few more mfg. details.
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 04:54 PM, August Trometer wrote:
Go to "E Trailor" and look up your car - they have hitches for ALL, and give the towing capability - most lighter/smaller cars are 200 TW, 2000 to pull or MORE
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
Montypals:
I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net http://eco-living.net
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OK, I'm thinking I've got to try another scale. There is a landscape supply place near here. They have a scale. It must be much smaller. Folks come with pickup trucks, and they weigh the truck before and after the gravel dump. So, the range would be smaller. I'll call them. Hmm. Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:50 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Could there be a mistake in the weighing? Just wondering...seems like you'd feel some scary stuff with a rig that heavy on a car rated 1000 lb. but sounds like it doesn't drive that scary.
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 08:33 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
The whole thing is a bit concerning. I am just shocked at the total weight. I really am.
I have been towing all over the place with my Honda Accord, with no problems. I leave lots of space for braking. Now, an emergency braking situation could be dicey. My Outback is rated at 2700 lbs, but the caveat there is that above 1000 pounds they recommend that the trailer have brakes. Whoo boy.
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:29 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Aloha,
If you mean etrailer.com, their ratings are way off for vehicles I have personally owned that are on the small end of things. They are quoting 2000 lb. towing capacity for at least two small cars I know are mfg. rated at 1000 lb. capacity, and that with caveats about "not really recommended for serious towing, and be really careful, or only with 5-speed, or only with automatic, and so on..."
There are some other online databases for tow ratings that seem more accurate, this being one: http://www.campinglife.com/tow-ratings-database/
...I found another that appeared to be pulling from same base data, can't find it now but it had a few more mfg. details.
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 04:54 PM, August Trometer wrote:
Go to "E Trailor" and look up your car - they have hitches for ALL, and give the towing capability - most lighter/smaller cars are 200 TW, 2000 to pull or MORE
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
Montypals:
I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net http://eco-living.net
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Good idea to double check with a gravel pit/landscape scale. Let us know what you find out...too bad you can't pull the boat off and weigh them separately... :-) cheers, John S. On 09/27/2012 08:58 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
OK, I'm thinking I've got to try another scale. There is a landscape supply place near here. They have a scale. It must be much smaller. Folks come with pickup trucks, and they weigh the truck before and after the gravel dump. So, the range would be smaller. I'll call them. Hmm.
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:50 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Could there be a mistake in the weighing? Just wondering...seems like you'd feel some scary stuff with a rig that heavy on a car rated 1000 lb. but sounds like it doesn't drive that scary.
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 08:33 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
The whole thing is a bit concerning. I am just shocked at the total weight. I really am.
I have been towing all over the place with my Honda Accord, with no problems. I leave lots of space for braking. Now, an emergency braking situation could be dicey. My Outback is rated at 2700 lbs, but the caveat there is that above 1000 pounds they recommend that the trailer have brakes. Whoo boy.
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:29 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Aloha,
If you mean etrailer.com, their ratings are way off for vehicles I have personally owned that are on the small end of things. They are quoting 2000 lb. towing capacity for at least two small cars I know are mfg. rated at 1000 lb. capacity, and that with caveats about "not really recommended for serious towing, and be really careful, or only with 5-speed, or only with automatic, and so on..."
There are some other online databases for tow ratings that seem more accurate, this being one: http://www.campinglife.com/tow-ratings-database/
...I found another that appeared to be pulling from same base data, can't find it now but it had a few more mfg. details.
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 04:54 PM, August Trometer wrote:
Go to "E Trailor" and look up your car - they have hitches for ALL, and give the towing capability - most lighter/smaller cars are 200 TW, 2000 to pull or MORE
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
Montypals:
I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net http://eco-living.net
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net http://eco-living.net
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net http://eco-living.net
I know. I would love to do that. I would have to launch the boat somewhere, tie it to the dock, quickly go somewhere to weigh the trailer…Not sure how to orchestrate that. Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 9:10 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Good idea to double check with a gravel pit/landscape scale. Let us know what you find out...too bad you can't pull the boat off and weigh them separately... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 08:58 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
OK, I'm thinking I've got to try another scale. There is a landscape supply place near here. They have a scale. It must be much smaller. Folks come with pickup trucks, and they weigh the truck before and after the gravel dump. So, the range would be smaller. I'll call them. Hmm.
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:50 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Could there be a mistake in the weighing? Just wondering...seems like you'd feel some scary stuff with a rig that heavy on a car rated 1000 lb. but sounds like it doesn't drive that scary.
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 08:33 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
The whole thing is a bit concerning. I am just shocked at the total weight. I really am.
I have been towing all over the place with my Honda Accord, with no problems. I leave lots of space for braking. Now, an emergency braking situation could be dicey. My Outback is rated at 2700 lbs, but the caveat there is that above 1000 pounds they recommend that the trailer have brakes. Whoo boy.
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:29 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Aloha,
If you mean etrailer.com, their ratings are way off for vehicles I have personally owned that are on the small end of things. They are quoting 2000 lb. towing capacity for at least two small cars I know are mfg. rated at 1000 lb. capacity, and that with caveats about "not really recommended for serious towing, and be really careful, or only with 5-speed, or only with automatic, and so on..."
There are some other online databases for tow ratings that seem more accurate, this being one: http://www.campinglife.com/tow-ratings-database/
...I found another that appeared to be pulling from same base data, can't find it now but it had a few more mfg. details.
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 04:54 PM, August Trometer wrote:
Go to "E Trailor" and look up your car - they have hitches for ALL, and give the towing capability - most lighter/smaller cars are 200 TW, 2000 to pull or MORE
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
Montypals:
I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net http://eco-living.net
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net http://eco-living.net
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Regarding the winery scale; your lucky to have found one empty long enough to weigh something other than grapes in this banner vintage! -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 11:13 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer I know. I would love to do that. I would have to launch the boat somewhere, tie it to the dock, quickly go somewhere to weigh the trailer…Not sure how to orchestrate that. Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 9:10 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Good idea to double check with a gravel pit/landscape scale. Let us know what you find out...too bad you can't pull the boat off and weigh them separately... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 08:58 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
OK, I'm thinking I've got to try another scale. There is a landscape supply place near here. They have a scale. It must be much smaller. Folks come with pickup trucks, and they weigh the truck before and after the gravel dump. So, the range would be smaller. I'll call them. Hmm.
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:50 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Could there be a mistake in the weighing? Just wondering...seems like you'd feel some scary stuff with a rig that heavy on a car rated 1000 lb. but sounds like it doesn't drive that scary.
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 08:33 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
The whole thing is a bit concerning. I am just shocked at the total weight. I really am.
I have been towing all over the place with my Honda Accord, with no problems. I leave lots of space for braking. Now, an emergency braking situation could be dicey. My Outback is rated at 2700 lbs, but the caveat there is that above 1000 pounds they recommend that the trailer have brakes. Whoo boy.
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:29 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Aloha,
If you mean etrailer.com, their ratings are way off for vehicles I have personally owned that are on the small end of things. They are quoting 2000 lb. towing capacity for at least two small cars I know are mfg. rated at 1000 lb. capacity, and that with caveats about "not really recommended for serious towing, and be really careful, or only with 5-speed, or only with automatic, and so on..."
There are some other online databases for tow ratings that seem more accurate, this being one: http://www.campinglife.com/tow-ratings-database/
...I found another that appeared to be pulling from same base data, can't find it now but it had a few more mfg. details.
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 04:54 PM, August Trometer wrote:
Go to "E Trailor" and look up your car - they have hitches for ALL, and give the towing capability - most lighter/smaller cars are 200 TW, 2000 to pull or MORE
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
Montypals:
I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net http://eco-living.net
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net http://eco-living.net
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Daniel....in talking to "Joe" over at Pacific Trailers, he thinks the M_15 trailer is around 600 pounds. Add in a spare tire etc, more weight. I've only weighed one M_15 and that was Dan Phy's E model. It weighed 597 pounds empty. I can only guess that most 15s weigh around 800 pounds without gear. Be well Bob
From: danielgrich@gmail.com Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 21:12:19 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
I know. I would love to do that. I would have to launch the boat somewhere, tie it to the dock, quickly go somewhere to weigh the trailer…Not sure how to orchestrate that.
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 9:10 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Good idea to double check with a gravel pit/landscape scale. Let us know what you find out...too bad you can't pull the boat off and weigh them separately... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 08:58 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
OK, I'm thinking I've got to try another scale. There is a landscape supply place near here. They have a scale. It must be much smaller. Folks come with pickup trucks, and they weigh the truck before and after the gravel dump. So, the range would be smaller. I'll call them. Hmm.
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:50 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Could there be a mistake in the weighing? Just wondering...seems like you'd feel some scary stuff with a rig that heavy on a car rated 1000 lb. but sounds like it doesn't drive that scary.
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 08:33 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
The whole thing is a bit concerning. I am just shocked at the total weight. I really am.
I have been towing all over the place with my Honda Accord, with no problems. I leave lots of space for braking. Now, an emergency braking situation could be dicey. My Outback is rated at 2700 lbs, but the caveat there is that above 1000 pounds they recommend that the trailer have brakes. Whoo boy.
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:29 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Aloha,
If you mean etrailer.com, their ratings are way off for vehicles I have personally owned that are on the small end of things. They are quoting 2000 lb. towing capacity for at least two small cars I know are mfg. rated at 1000 lb. capacity, and that with caveats about "not really recommended for serious towing, and be really careful, or only with 5-speed, or only with automatic, and so on..."
There are some other online databases for tow ratings that seem more accurate, this being one: http://www.campinglife.com/tow-ratings-database/
...I found another that appeared to be pulling from same base data, can't find it now but it had a few more mfg. details.
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 04:54 PM, August Trometer wrote: > Go to "E Trailor" and look up your car - they have hitches for ALL, and give > the towing capability - most lighter/smaller cars are 200 TW, 2000 to pull > or MORE > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel > Rich > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:48 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer > > Montypals: > > I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my > Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. > So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I > needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went > to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard > to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my > trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does > not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern > pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small > anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All > incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue > weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been > towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody > else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta > figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer? > > > Daniel Rich > M15 #208 "Kestrel" > danielgrich@gmail.com > > > >
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the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included. the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame. in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer. i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
From: danielgrich@gmail.com Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 21:12:19 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
I know. I would love to do that. I would have to launch the boat somewhere, tie it to the dock, quickly go somewhere to weigh the trailer…Not sure how to orchestrate that.
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 9:10 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Good idea to double check with a gravel pit/landscape scale. Let us know what you find out...too bad you can't pull the boat off and weigh them separately... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 08:58 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
OK, I'm thinking I've got to try another scale. There is a landscape supply place near here. They have a scale. It must be much smaller. Folks come with pickup trucks, and they weigh the truck before and after the gravel dump. So, the range would be smaller. I'll call them. Hmm.
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:50 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Could there be a mistake in the weighing? Just wondering...seems like you'd feel some scary stuff with a rig that heavy on a car rated 1000 lb. but sounds like it doesn't drive that scary.
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 08:33 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
The whole thing is a bit concerning. I am just shocked at the total weight. I really am.
I have been towing all over the place with my Honda Accord, with no problems. I leave lots of space for braking. Now, an emergency braking situation could be dicey. My Outback is rated at 2700 lbs, but the caveat there is that above 1000 pounds they recommend that the trailer have brakes. Whoo boy.
Daniel
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper. Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included.
the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame.
in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer.
i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
From: danielgrich@gmail.com Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 21:12:19 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer I know. I would love to do that. I would have to launch the boat somewhere, tie it to the dock, quickly go somewhere to weigh the trailer…Not sure how to orchestrate that. Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 9:10 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Good idea to double check with a gravel pit/landscape scale. Let us know what you find out...too bad you can't pull the boat off and weigh them separately... :-) cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 08:58 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
OK, I'm thinking I've got to try another scale. There is a landscape supply place near here. They have a scale. It must be much smaller. Folks come with pickup trucks, and they weigh the truck before and after the gravel dump. So, the range would be smaller. I'll call them. Hmm. Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:50 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Could there be a mistake in the weighing? Just wondering...seems like you'd feel some scary stuff with a rig that heavy on a car rated 1000 lb. but sounds like it doesn't drive that scary. cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 08:33 PM, Daniel Rich wrote: > The whole thing is a bit concerning. I am just shocked at the total weight. I really am. > I have been towing all over the place with my Honda Accord, with no problems. I leave lots of space for braking. Now, an emergency braking situation could be dicey. My Outback is rated at 2700 lbs, but the caveat there is that above 1000 pounds they recommend that the trailer have brakes. Whoo boy. > Daniel
Daniel: Glessers' also have an extension. a 'perspective' based in pushing and lifting the trailer tongue of the Glessers' trailer, without boat and with boat, and the other trailers and boat/trailers - the trailer is lighter than 500# (one of the trailers i have that i have weighed on a scale) and lighter that an known 1800# boat/trailer combination (again weighed on a scale). so much lighter actually that the M15/trailer combo is 'next to nothing' to move from one end of the shop or parking lot to the other. maybe your M15 has gold bars as ballast ;-) :: Dave Scobie :: expert as pushing boats and trailers around parking lots ;-) --- On Fri, 9/28/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper.
Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included.
the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame.
in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer.
i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
My fall project is to repair all the leaks along the hull-deck joint. In Howard Audsley's blog he described taking off the toe rail and drilling out the joint before replacing the caulk (can't remember what kind). Has anyone else done this project from inside the cabin so you didn't have the work of removing the toe rail? Did it work well? What kind of tool did you use? Pam Port Townsend
Pam: Someone had tried to seal Audasea up from the inside and it didn't work. It simply wicked past the silicone or whatever sealant they had used. Best to nip it at the source, which is under that toe rail (assuming you have one of the older boats with metal toe rail). Sounds daunting, but really, is not that big of a deal. Nothing like lifting the deck off, which was what I was contemplating doing. I used a Dremel tool with a cutting wheel on it that was the perfect size to grind out the loose caulk. I used thickened epoxy to seal the crack, and doubled down with some 3M 4200 over that. No more leaks. Howard On Sep 28, 2012, at 1:18 PM, pam and dana wrote:
My fall project is to repair all the leaks along the hull-deck joint. In Howard Audsley's blog he described taking off the toe rail and drilling out the joint before replacing the caulk (can't remember what kind). Has anyone else done this project from inside the cabin so you didn't have the work of removing the toe rail? Did it work well? What kind of tool did you use?
Pam Port Townsend
Thanks Howard. Your help is much appreciated. Taking the toe rail off does seem daunting. I have two concerns: will it spring open (I can imagine there is a best pattern for removing the bolts) or is it shaped to stay in a curve? If it is straight, is it hard to bend back to the boat shape? Pam On Sep 28, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Howard Audsley wrote:
Pam:
Someone had tried to seal Audasea up from the inside and it didn't work. It simply wicked past the silicone or whatever sealant they had used. Best to nip it at the source, which is under that toe rail (assuming you have one of the older boats with metal toe rail). Sounds daunting, but really, is not that big of a deal. Nothing like lifting the deck off, which was what I was contemplating doing.
I used a Dremel tool with a cutting wheel on it that was the perfect size to grind out the loose caulk. I used thickened epoxy to seal the crack, and doubled down with some 3M 4200 over that. No more leaks.
Howard
On Sep 28, 2012, at 1:18 PM, pam and dana wrote:
My fall project is to repair all the leaks along the hull-deck joint. In Howard Audsley's blog he described taking off the toe rail and drilling out the joint before replacing the caulk (can't remember what kind). Has anyone else done this project from inside the cabin so you didn't have the work of removing the toe rail? Did it work well? What kind of tool did you use?
Pam Port Townsend
Once the rails are off, they are more or less straight and will take a bit of bend without too much effort. They are aluminum....not spring steel. You could start at either end and work your way in the opposite direction. Leave one bolt in place somewhere near the middle simply to hold it up. If they were bedded with sealant, you may have to gently pry them off. No big deal, although you may have to scrape the old stuff off to clean them and the boat joint up. Again, no big deal. A sharp putty knife or dull chisel should be all you will need. Do keep track of all the nuts and screws. They are fine threaded screws with square nuts. You won't find replacements at the hardware store. Mine were looking pretty scruffy, so I hit them with a wire brush to clean them up as best I could, then laid on a coat of Rustoleum primer and a couple coats of semi-gloss enamel.....both out of spray cans from the hardware store. They looked good then, and still do. On Sep 29, 2012, at 9:54 AM, pam and dana wrote:
Thanks Howard. Your help is much appreciated. Taking the toe rail off does seem daunting. I have two concerns: will it spring open (I can imagine there is a best pattern for removing the bolts) or is it shaped to stay in a curve? If it is straight, is it hard to bend back to the boat shape?
Pam
On Sep 28, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Howard Audsley wrote:
Pam:
Someone had tried to seal Audasea up from the inside and it didn't work. It simply wicked past the silicone or whatever sealant they had used. Best to nip it at the source, which is under that toe rail (assuming you have one of the older boats with metal toe rail). Sounds daunting, but really, is not that big of a deal. Nothing like lifting the deck off, which was what I was contemplating doing.
I used a Dremel tool with a cutting wheel on it that was the perfect size to grind out the loose caulk. I used thickened epoxy to seal the crack, and doubled down with some 3M 4200 over that. No more leaks.
Howard
On Sep 28, 2012, at 1:18 PM, pam and dana wrote:
My fall project is to repair all the leaks along the hull-deck joint. In Howard Audsley's blog he described taking off the toe rail and drilling out the joint before replacing the caulk (can't remember what kind). Has anyone else done this project from inside the cabin so you didn't have the work of removing the toe rail? Did it work well? What kind of tool did you use?
Pam Port Townsend
Dave- did you get a chance to weigh a Sage yet? jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 10:26 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer Daniel: Glessers' also have an extension. a 'perspective' based in pushing and lifting the trailer tongue of the Glessers' trailer, without boat and with boat, and the other trailers and boat/trailers - the trailer is lighter than 500# (one of the trailers i have that i have weighed on a scale) and lighter that an known 1800# boat/trailer combination (again weighed on a scale). so much lighter actually that the M15/trailer combo is 'next to nothing' to move from one end of the shop or parking lot to the other. maybe your M15 has gold bars as ballast ;-) :: Dave Scobie :: expert as pushing boats and trailers around parking lots ;-) --- On Fri, 9/28/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper.
Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included.
the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame.
in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer.
i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
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This whole thing came about because of high tongue weight. There is no way I can lift the tongue on this trailer. So, hopefully this weekend I will weigh the thing again with a different scale. Daniel On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
Glessers' also have an extension.
a 'perspective' based in pushing and lifting the trailer tongue of the Glessers' trailer, without boat and with boat, and the other trailers and boat/trailers -
the trailer is lighter than 500# (one of the trailers i have that i have weighed on a scale) and lighter that an known 1800# boat/trailer combination (again weighed on a scale). so much lighter actually that the M15/trailer combo is 'next to nothing' to move from one end of the shop or parking lot to the other.
maybe your M15 has gold bars as ballast ;-)
:: Dave Scobie :: expert as pushing boats and trailers around parking lots ;-)
--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper.
Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included.
the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame.
in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer.
i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
If the weight checks out OK you may have to move the axle forward on the frame a little. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Rich To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 8:34 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer This whole thing came about because of high tongue weight. There is no way I can lift the tongue on this trailer. So, hopefully this weekend I will weigh the thing again with a different scale. Daniel On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
Glessers' also have an extension.
a 'perspective' based in pushing and lifting the trailer tongue of the Glessers' trailer, without boat and with boat, and the other trailers and boat/trailers -
the trailer is lighter than 500# (one of the trailers i have that i have weighed on a scale) and lighter that an known 1800# boat/trailer combination (again weighed on a scale). so much lighter actually that the M15/trailer combo is 'next to nothing' to move from one end of the shop or parking lot to the other.
maybe your M15 has gold bars as ballast ;-)
:: Dave Scobie :: expert as pushing boats and trailers around parking lots ;-)
--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper.
Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included.
the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame.
in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer.
i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
Right. That was the original reason for weighing the thing! Daniel On Sep 28, 2012, at 7:58 PM, "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
If the weight checks out OK you may have to move the axle forward on the frame a little. Joe
----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Rich To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 8:34 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
This whole thing came about because of high tongue weight. There is no way I can lift the tongue on this trailer. So, hopefully this weekend I will weigh the thing again with a different scale.
Daniel On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
Glessers' also have an extension.
a 'perspective' based in pushing and lifting the trailer tongue of the Glessers' trailer, without boat and with boat, and the other trailers and boat/trailers -
the trailer is lighter than 500# (one of the trailers i have that i have weighed on a scale) and lighter that an known 1800# boat/trailer combination (again weighed on a scale). so much lighter actually that the M15/trailer combo is 'next to nothing' to move from one end of the shop or parking lot to the other.
maybe your M15 has gold bars as ballast ;-)
:: Dave Scobie :: expert as pushing boats and trailers around parking lots ;-)
--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper.
Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included.
the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame.
in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer.
i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
I think Gary Hyde moved the axle forward on his M17 Pacific trailer because he had a tongue weight contraint on his tow vehicle. On my trailer, the spring hangers are welded to the frame, so I would have it done professionally by someone who knows how critical the axle alignment is. Too bad you can't just loosen some bolts and adjust. On Sep 28, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
This whole thing came about because of high tongue weight. There is no way I can lift the tongue on this trailer. So, hopefully this weekend I will weigh the thing again with a different scale.
Daniel On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
Glessers' also have an extension.
a 'perspective' based in pushing and lifting the trailer tongue of the Glessers' trailer, without boat and with boat, and the other trailers and boat/trailers -
the trailer is lighter than 500# (one of the trailers i have that i have weighed on a scale) and lighter that an known 1800# boat/trailer combination (again weighed on a scale). so much lighter actually that the M15/trailer combo is 'next to nothing' to move from one end of the shop or parking lot to the other.
maybe your M15 has gold bars as ballast ;-)
:: Dave Scobie :: expert as pushing boats and trailers around parking lots ;-)
--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper.
Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included.
the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame.
in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer.
i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
A BIG drawback to that is the following: I cannot lift the tongue of my M15 either, BUT when the trailer is not hooked to the car, and I climb in the back of the boat I don't have to worry about the front going up in the air like a see-saw. And I weigh 220#s. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jenkins Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 2:20 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer I think Gary Hyde moved the axle forward on his M17 Pacific trailer because he had a tongue weight contraint on his tow vehicle. On my trailer, the spring hangers are welded to the frame, so I would have it done professionally by someone who knows how critical the axle alignment is. Too bad you can't just loosen some bolts and adjust. On Sep 28, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
This whole thing came about because of high tongue weight. There is no way I can lift the tongue on this trailer. So, hopefully this weekend I will weigh the thing again with a different scale.
Daniel On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
Glessers' also have an extension.
a 'perspective' based in pushing and lifting the trailer tongue of the Glessers' trailer, without boat and with boat, and the other trailers and boat/trailers -
the trailer is lighter than 500# (one of the trailers i have that i have weighed on a scale) and lighter that an known 1800# boat/trailer combination (again weighed on a scale). so much lighter actually that the M15/trailer combo is 'next to nothing' to move from one end of the shop or parking lot to the other.
maybe your M15 has gold bars as ballast ;-)
:: Dave Scobie :: expert as pushing boats and trailers around parking lots ;-)
--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper.
Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included.
the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame.
in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer.
i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
I definitely can loosen the bolts and adjust. And, that was my plan pending the weight of the whole thing. So, I just got back from the more appropriate scale. The verdict: 1620 pounds. Exactly the same as the other scale to the pound. Shocking. I have to believe that the boat must weigh about 850 as set up by me. Really almost nothing in the cockpit and cabin. So that would put the trailer at about 750-800. Amazing. What to do. Daniel On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
I think Gary Hyde moved the axle forward on his M17 Pacific trailer because he had a tongue weight contraint on his tow vehicle. On my trailer, the spring hangers are welded to the frame, so I would have it done professionally by someone who knows how critical the axle alignment is. Too bad you can't just loosen some bolts and adjust.
On Sep 28, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
This whole thing came about because of high tongue weight. There is no way I can lift the tongue on this trailer. So, hopefully this weekend I will weigh the thing again with a different scale.
Daniel On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
Glessers' also have an extension.
a 'perspective' based in pushing and lifting the trailer tongue of the Glessers' trailer, without boat and with boat, and the other trailers and boat/trailers -
the trailer is lighter than 500# (one of the trailers i have that i have weighed on a scale) and lighter that an known 1800# boat/trailer combination (again weighed on a scale). so much lighter actually that the M15/trailer combo is 'next to nothing' to move from one end of the shop or parking lot to the other.
maybe your M15 has gold bars as ballast ;-)
:: Dave Scobie :: expert as pushing boats and trailers around parking lots ;-)
--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper.
Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included.
the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame.
in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer.
i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
Daniel- I haven't been foolloing this very closely; what kind of trailer is it? I almost always supplied Trailrite, which had way less tongue weight (I could easily lift them up with no aid). I'd guess less than 100 lbs. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 1:30 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer I definitely can loosen the bolts and adjust. And, that was my plan pending the weight of the whole thing. So, I just got back from the more appropriate scale. The verdict: 1620 pounds. Exactly the same as the other scale to the pound. Shocking. I have to believe that the boat must weigh about 850 as set up by me. Really almost nothing in the cockpit and cabin. So that would put the trailer at about 750-800. Amazing. What to do. Daniel On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
I think Gary Hyde moved the axle forward on his M17 Pacific trailer because he had a tongue weight contraint on his tow vehicle. On my trailer, the spring hangers are welded to the frame, so I would have it done professionally by someone who knows how critical the axle alignment is. Too bad you can't just loosen some bolts and adjust.
On Sep 28, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
This whole thing came about because of high tongue weight. There is no way I can lift the tongue on this trailer. So, hopefully this weekend I will weigh the thing again with a different scale.
Daniel On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
Glessers' also have an extension.
a 'perspective' based in pushing and lifting the trailer tongue of the Glessers' trailer, without boat and with boat, and the other trailers and boat/trailers -
the trailer is lighter than 500# (one of the trailers i have that i have weighed on a scale) and lighter that an known 1800# boat/trailer combination (again weighed on a scale). so much lighter actually that the M15/trailer combo is 'next to nothing' to move from one end of the shop or parking lot to the other.
maybe your M15 has gold bars as ballast ;-)
:: Dave Scobie :: expert as pushing boats and trailers around parking lots ;-)
--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper.
Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included.
the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame.
in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer.
i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
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It is a very beefy Pacific Trailer with 14 inch wheels, galvanized, with an 8 foot beefy extension. One option for me might be to replace the trailer with something much lighter. Trailrite, you say? Daniel On Sep 29, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "jerry montgomery" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Daniel- I haven't been foolloing this very closely; what kind of trailer is it? I almost always supplied Trailrite, which had way less tongue weight (I could easily lift them up with no aid). I'd guess less than 100 lbs. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 1:30 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
I definitely can loosen the bolts and adjust. And, that was my plan pending the weight of the whole thing.
So, I just got back from the more appropriate scale. The verdict:
1620 pounds. Exactly the same as the other scale to the pound. Shocking.
I have to believe that the boat must weigh about 850 as set up by me. Really almost nothing in the cockpit and cabin. So that would put the trailer at about 750-800. Amazing. What to do.
Daniel On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
I think Gary Hyde moved the axle forward on his M17 Pacific trailer because he had a tongue weight contraint on his tow vehicle. On my trailer, the spring hangers are welded to the frame, so I would have it done professionally by someone who knows how critical the axle alignment is. Too bad you can't just loosen some bolts and adjust.
On Sep 28, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
This whole thing came about because of high tongue weight. There is no way I can lift the tongue on this trailer. So, hopefully this weekend I will weigh the thing again with a different scale.
Daniel On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
Glessers' also have an extension.
a 'perspective' based in pushing and lifting the trailer tongue of the Glessers' trailer, without boat and with boat, and the other trailers and boat/trailers -
the trailer is lighter than 500# (one of the trailers i have that i have weighed on a scale) and lighter that an known 1800# boat/trailer combination (again weighed on a scale). so much lighter actually that the M15/trailer combo is 'next to nothing' to move from one end of the shop or parking lot to the other.
maybe your M15 has gold bars as ballast ;-)
:: Dave Scobie :: expert as pushing boats and trailers around parking lots ;-)
--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper.
Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included.
the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame.
in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer.
i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
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A good guage for tongue weight is 10% of total weight. So if you're weighing in at 1620 lbs then your tongue weight should be around 160 lbs. Put a bathroom scale under the jack wheel. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Rich To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer I definitely can loosen the bolts and adjust. And, that was my plan pending the weight of the whole thing. So, I just got back from the more appropriate scale. The verdict: 1620 pounds. Exactly the same as the other scale to the pound. Shocking. I have to believe that the boat must weigh about 850 as set up by me. Really almost nothing in the cockpit and cabin. So that would put the trailer at about 750-800. Amazing. What to do. Daniel On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
I think Gary Hyde moved the axle forward on his M17 Pacific trailer because he had a tongue weight contraint on his tow vehicle. On my trailer, the spring hangers are welded to the frame, so I would have it done professionally by someone who knows how critical the axle alignment is. Too bad you can't just loosen some bolts and adjust.
On Sep 28, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
This whole thing came about because of high tongue weight. There is no way I can lift the tongue on this trailer. So, hopefully this weekend I will weigh the thing again with a different scale.
Daniel On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
Glessers' also have an extension.
a 'perspective' based in pushing and lifting the trailer tongue of the Glessers' trailer, without boat and with boat, and the other trailers and boat/trailers -
the trailer is lighter than 500# (one of the trailers i have that i have weighed on a scale) and lighter that an known 1800# boat/trailer combination (again weighed on a scale). so much lighter actually that the M15/trailer combo is 'next to nothing' to move from one end of the shop or parking lot to the other.
maybe your M15 has gold bars as ballast ;-)
:: Dave Scobie :: expert as pushing boats and trailers around parking lots ;-)
--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper.
Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included.
the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame.
in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer.
i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
That is what started all of this. I weighed the tongue at the ball at 180 lbs. Daniel Sent from my iPhone On Sep 29, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
A good guage for tongue weight is 10% of total weight. So if you're weighing in at 1620 lbs then your tongue weight should be around 160 lbs. Put a bathroom scale under the jack wheel. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Rich To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
I definitely can loosen the bolts and adjust. And, that was my plan pending the weight of the whole thing.
So, I just got back from the more appropriate scale. The verdict:
1620 pounds. Exactly the same as the other scale to the pound. Shocking.
I have to believe that the boat must weigh about 850 as set up by me. Really almost nothing in the cockpit and cabin. So that would put the trailer at about 750-800. Amazing. What to do.
Daniel On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
I think Gary Hyde moved the axle forward on his M17 Pacific trailer because he had a tongue weight contraint on his tow vehicle. On my trailer, the spring hangers are welded to the frame, so I would have it done professionally by someone who knows how critical the axle alignment is. Too bad you can't just loosen some bolts and adjust.
On Sep 28, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
This whole thing came about because of high tongue weight. There is no way I can lift the tongue on this trailer. So, hopefully this weekend I will weigh the thing again with a different scale.
Daniel On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
Glessers' also have an extension.
a 'perspective' based in pushing and lifting the trailer tongue of the Glessers' trailer, without boat and with boat, and the other trailers and boat/trailers -
the trailer is lighter than 500# (one of the trailers i have that i have weighed on a scale) and lighter that an known 1800# boat/trailer combination (again weighed on a scale). so much lighter actually that the M15/trailer combo is 'next to nothing' to move from one end of the shop or parking lot to the other.
maybe your M15 has gold bars as ballast ;-)
:: Dave Scobie :: expert as pushing boats and trailers around parking lots ;-)
--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper.
Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included.
the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame.
in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer.
i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
Daniel: just saw this post or i would have included the comment in my prior response. 180# for 1650 fine at 11% of combined trailer/boat weight. the 'trailing rule book' says 10-15% 'depending on ...'. now ... to find what is too heavy (boat and/or trailer) and 'drop some weight. :: Dave Scobie --- On Sat, 9/29/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
That is what started all of this. I weighed the tongue at the ball at 180 lbs.
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 29, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
A good guage for tongue weight is 10% of total weight. So if you're weighing in at 1620 lbs then your tongue weight should be around 160 lbs. Put a bathroom scale under the jack wheel. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Rich To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
I definitely can loosen the bolts and adjust. And, that was my plan pending the weight of the whole thing.
So, I just got back from the more appropriate scale. The verdict:
1620 pounds. Exactly the same as the other scale to the pound. Shocking.
I have to believe that the boat must weigh about 850 as set up by me. Really almost nothing in the cockpit and cabin. So that would put the trailer at about 750-800. Amazing. What to do.
Daniel
Careful with your bathroom scale. The wheel on my M17 jack caved mine in. Maybe it needs a piece of wood to distributte the weight, but I went to a hanging spring scale to avoid pricey replacements. On Sep 29, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
A good guage for tongue weight is 10% of total weight. So if you're weighing in at 1620 lbs then your tongue weight should be around 160 lbs. Put a bathroom scale under the jack wheel. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Rich To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
I definitely can loosen the bolts and adjust. And, that was my plan pending the weight of the whole thing.
So, I just got back from the more appropriate scale. The verdict:
1620 pounds. Exactly the same as the other scale to the pound. Shocking.
I have to believe that the boat must weigh about 850 as set up by me. Really almost nothing in the cockpit and cabin. So that would put the trailer at about 750-800. Amazing. What to do.
Daniel On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
I think Gary Hyde moved the axle forward on his M17 Pacific trailer because he had a tongue weight contraint on his tow vehicle. On my trailer, the spring hangers are welded to the frame, so I would have it done professionally by someone who knows how critical the axle alignment is. Too bad you can't just loosen some bolts and adjust.
On Sep 28, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
This whole thing came about because of high tongue weight. There is no way I can lift the tongue on this trailer. So, hopefully this weekend I will weigh the thing again with a different scale.
Daniel On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
Glessers' also have an extension.
a 'perspective' based in pushing and lifting the trailer tongue of the Glessers' trailer, without boat and with boat, and the other trailers and boat/trailers -
the trailer is lighter than 500# (one of the trailers i have that i have weighed on a scale) and lighter that an known 1800# boat/trailer combination (again weighed on a scale). so much lighter actually that the M15/trailer combo is 'next to nothing' to move from one end of the shop or parking lot to the other.
maybe your M15 has gold bars as ballast ;-)
:: Dave Scobie :: expert as pushing boats and trailers around parking lots ;-)
--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper.
Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included.
the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame.
in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer.
i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
I used a piece of wood to distribute the load. The scale worked well. Daniel On Sep 30, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Careful with your bathroom scale. The wheel on my M17 jack caved mine in. Maybe it needs a piece of wood to distributte the weight, but I went to a hanging spring scale to avoid pricey replacements.
On Sep 29, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
A good guage for tongue weight is 10% of total weight. So if you're weighing in at 1620 lbs then your tongue weight should be around 160 lbs. Put a bathroom scale under the jack wheel. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Rich To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
I definitely can loosen the bolts and adjust. And, that was my plan pending the weight of the whole thing.
So, I just got back from the more appropriate scale. The verdict:
1620 pounds. Exactly the same as the other scale to the pound. Shocking.
I have to believe that the boat must weigh about 850 as set up by me. Really almost nothing in the cockpit and cabin. So that would put the trailer at about 750-800. Amazing. What to do.
Daniel On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
I think Gary Hyde moved the axle forward on his M17 Pacific trailer because he had a tongue weight contraint on his tow vehicle. On my trailer, the spring hangers are welded to the frame, so I would have it done professionally by someone who knows how critical the axle alignment is. Too bad you can't just loosen some bolts and adjust.
On Sep 28, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
This whole thing came about because of high tongue weight. There is no way I can lift the tongue on this trailer. So, hopefully this weekend I will weigh the thing again with a different scale.
Daniel On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
Glessers' also have an extension.
a 'perspective' based in pushing and lifting the trailer tongue of the Glessers' trailer, without boat and with boat, and the other trailers and boat/trailers -
the trailer is lighter than 500# (one of the trailers i have that i have weighed on a scale) and lighter that an known 1800# boat/trailer combination (again weighed on a scale). so much lighter actually that the M15/trailer combo is 'next to nothing' to move from one end of the shop or parking lot to the other.
maybe your M15 has gold bars as ballast ;-)
:: Dave Scobie :: expert as pushing boats and trailers around parking lots ;-)
--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper.
Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote: > the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included. > > the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame. > > in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer. > > i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at. >
I prefer to use the 10-15% rule thrown out by "experts", because mine is 13% and the trailer handles perfectly on the road, the car's rear does not drop significantly, and I have good enough traction on a ramp to use 2WD. In other words, if the rule is inconvenient, find a better rule. On Sep 29, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
A good guage for tongue weight is 10% of total weight. So if you're weighing in at 1620 lbs then your tongue weight should be around 160 lbs. Put a bathroom scale under the jack wheel. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Rich To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
I definitely can loosen the bolts and adjust. And, that was my plan pending the weight of the whole thing.
So, I just got back from the more appropriate scale. The verdict:
1620 pounds. Exactly the same as the other scale to the pound. Shocking.
I have to believe that the boat must weigh about 850 as set up by me. Really almost nothing in the cockpit and cabin. So that would put the trailer at about 750-800. Amazing. What to do.
Daniel On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
I think Gary Hyde moved the axle forward on his M17 Pacific trailer because he had a tongue weight contraint on his tow vehicle. On my trailer, the spring hangers are welded to the frame, so I would have it done professionally by someone who knows how critical the axle alignment is. Too bad you can't just loosen some bolts and adjust.
On Sep 28, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
This whole thing came about because of high tongue weight. There is no way I can lift the tongue on this trailer. So, hopefully this weekend I will weigh the thing again with a different scale.
Daniel On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
Glessers' also have an extension.
a 'perspective' based in pushing and lifting the trailer tongue of the Glessers' trailer, without boat and with boat, and the other trailers and boat/trailers -
the trailer is lighter than 500# (one of the trailers i have that i have weighed on a scale) and lighter that an known 1800# boat/trailer combination (again weighed on a scale). so much lighter actually that the M15/trailer combo is 'next to nothing' to move from one end of the shop or parking lot to the other.
maybe your M15 has gold bars as ballast ;-)
:: Dave Scobie :: expert as pushing boats and trailers around parking lots ;-)
--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper.
Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included.
the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame.
in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer.
i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
Funny how the boats can weigh much more than indicated on the brochure.. especially older boats. i had a Sandpiper 565 that was rated at 1200 lbs...turned out it was actually 1700 pounda and with the trailer, mast sails and cushions hit just over 2300 lbs as per a highway weigh station. That was a surprise. On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I definitely can loosen the bolts and adjust. And, that was my plan pending the weight of the whole thing.
So, I just got back from the more appropriate scale. The verdict:
1620 pounds. Exactly the same as the other scale to the pound. Shocking.
I have to believe that the boat must weigh about 850 as set up by me. Really almost nothing in the cockpit and cabin. So that would put the trailer at about 750-800. Amazing. What to do.
Daniel On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
I think Gary Hyde moved the axle forward on his M17 Pacific trailer because he had a tongue weight contraint on his tow vehicle. On my trailer, the spring hangers are welded to the frame, so I would have it done professionally by someone who knows how critical the axle alignment is. Too bad you can't just loosen some bolts and adjust.
On Sep 28, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
This whole thing came about because of high tongue weight. There is no way I can lift the tongue on this trailer. So, hopefully this weekend I will weigh the thing again with a different scale.
Daniel On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
Glessers' also have an extension.
a 'perspective' based in pushing and lifting the trailer tongue of the Glessers' trailer, without boat and with boat, and the other trailers and boat/trailers -
the trailer is lighter than 500# (one of the trailers i have that i have weighed on a scale) and lighter that an known 1800# boat/trailer combination (again weighed on a scale). so much lighter actually that the M15/trailer combo is 'next to nothing' to move from one end of the shop or parking lot to the other.
maybe your M15 has gold bars as ballast ;-)
:: Dave Scobie :: expert as pushing boats and trailers around parking lots ;-)
--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper.
Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included.
the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame.
in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer.
i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
Daniel: when you M15 is in the water, with no one in the boat, is the bottom of the transom JUST under the water? assuming that the boat is level (ie, not bow down or up) this will tell you if your M15 is 'heavy'. :: Dave Scobie
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I definitely can loosen the bolts and adjust. And, that was my plan pending the weight of the whole thing.
So, I just got back from the more appropriate scale. The verdict:
1620 pounds. Exactly the same as the other scale to the pound. Shocking.
I have to believe that the boat must weigh about 850 as set up by me. Really almost nothing in the cockpit and cabin. So that would put the trailer at about 750-800. Amazing. What to do.
Daniel
Well, I don't think she is heavy. I am attaching a photo, which hopefully will come through. The boat is a 1982 with 3 owners. The first guy, then Becker, then me. Becker added the stern pulpit and lifelines, plus the trailer. I removed the lifelines and stanchions just recently. They weighed maybe 6 pounds total. I have been all over the boat. There is no extra ballast in the bilge, and no water anywhere. There is plenty of styrofoam floatation. I opened the front compartment under the bow, and that spot has lots of foam floatation, but no extra weight. Mine is a steel shot model. I have minimal equipment in the boat including a small danforth anchor with 6 feet of chain and some rode, a paddle, boat hook, whisker pole, and assorted small safety gear and clothing. That is it. My cabin is close to empty. I have the standard rudder back on her, having removed the idasailor blade and gone back to the wood blade (good move by the way). The Honda 2hp goes in the trunk, not the trailer. No spare on the trailer. She sails as I would expect. With just me beating to windward with my 26 pound honda outboard my feet are dry, and no water comes up the centerboard pendant. With two plus the dog, I get a bit of water in the cockpit floor. So, I think she is probably close to the correct weight. There is no easy way for me to put her in the water and then weigh the trailer. I would love to do that. I do need to lose some weight somehow. My towing situation really demands it. One way I think I could lose weight is to get rid of the extension. That thing must weigh 200 pounds by itself. It is 4 inch square steel, and at least 8 feet long. I suppose I could have it cut and drilled, and just put it back into the trailer short. That would lose some anyway. Whoo boy. Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com On Sep 29, 2012, at 6:35 PM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
when you M15 is in the water, with no one in the boat, is the bottom of the transom JUST under the water?
assuming that the boat is level (ie, not bow down or up) this will tell you if your M15 is 'heavy'.
:: Dave Scobie
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I definitely can loosen the bolts and adjust. And, that was my plan pending the weight of the whole thing.
So, I just got back from the more appropriate scale. The verdict:
1620 pounds. Exactly the same as the other scale to the pound. Shocking.
I have to believe that the boat must weigh about 850 as set up by me. Really almost nothing in the cockpit and cabin. So that would put the trailer at about 750-800. Amazing. What to do.
Daniel
Daniel: just a thought on the boat ... my bet is the trailer is heavy. the tongue extensions are really overbuilt. i have seen other manufacturers use 1/5th the metal. Pacific's design philosophy seems to be 'go ahead trailer your boat with the tongue extended.' the above was stated in humor ... PLEASE no one do more than launch and retrieve their boat with the trailer tongue extended. :: Dave Scobie --- On Sat, 9/29/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I don't think she is heavy. I am attaching a photo, which hopefully will come through.
The boat is a 1982 with 3 owners. The first guy, then Becker, then me. Becker added the stern pulpit and lifelines, plus the trailer. I removed the lifelines and stanchions just recently. They weighed maybe 6 pounds total. I have been all over the boat. There is no extra ballast in the bilge, and no water anywhere. There is plenty of styrofoam floatation. I opened the front compartment under the bow, and that spot has lots of foam floatation, but no extra weight. Mine is a steel shot model. I have minimal equipment in the boat including a small danforth anchor with 6 feet of chain and some rode, a paddle, boat hook, whisker pole, and assorted small safety gear and clothing. That is it. My cabin is close to empty. I have the standard rudder back on her, having removed the idasailor blade and gone back to the wood blade (good move by the way). The Honda 2hp goes in the trunk, not the trailer. No spare on the trailer.
She sails as I would expect. With just me beating to windward with my 26 pound honda outboard my feet are dry, and no water comes up the centerboard pendant. With two plus the dog, I get a bit of water in the cockpit floor. So, I think she is probably close to the correct weight.
There is no easy way for me to put her in the water and then weigh the trailer. I would love to do that.
I do need to lose some weight somehow. My towing situation really demands it.
One way I think I could lose weight is to get rid of the extension. That thing must weigh 200 pounds by itself. It is 4 inch square steel, and at least 8 feet long. I suppose I could have it cut and drilled, and just put it back into the trailer short. That would lose some anyway. Whoo boy.
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
On Sep 29, 2012, at 6:35 PM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
when you M15 is in the water, with no one in the boat, is the bottom of the transom JUST under the water?
assuming that the boat is level (ie, not bow down or up) this will tell you if your M15 is 'heavy'.
:: Dave Scobie
Dave: Thanks so much over the years for all the helpful information you give out for free. Just thought I'd mention that! Yeah, I think the trailer is overbuilt. It is very heavy duty. I will weigh the extension somehow by taking it out, and balancing it somehow on a board on a bathroom scale to get some idea. But, yeah, it does look like you could trailer with the extension out. It is that heavy duty. Did my photo come through? Daniel On Sep 29, 2012, at 7:57 PM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
just a thought on the boat ... my bet is the trailer is heavy. the tongue extensions are really overbuilt. i have seen other manufacturers use 1/5th the metal.
Pacific's design philosophy seems to be 'go ahead trailer your boat with the tongue extended.'
the above was stated in humor ... PLEASE no one do more than launch and retrieve their boat with the trailer tongue extended.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Sat, 9/29/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I don't think she is heavy. I am attaching a photo, which hopefully will come through.
The boat is a 1982 with 3 owners. The first guy, then Becker, then me. Becker added the stern pulpit and lifelines, plus the trailer. I removed the lifelines and stanchions just recently. They weighed maybe 6 pounds total. I have been all over the boat. There is no extra ballast in the bilge, and no water anywhere. There is plenty of styrofoam floatation. I opened the front compartment under the bow, and that spot has lots of foam floatation, but no extra weight. Mine is a steel shot model. I have minimal equipment in the boat including a small danforth anchor with 6 feet of chain and some rode, a paddle, boat hook, whisker pole, and assorted small safety gear and clothing. That is it. My cabin is close to empty. I have the standard rudder back on her, having removed the idasailor blade and gone back to the wood blade (good move by the way). The Honda 2hp goes in the trunk, not the trailer. No spare on the trailer.
She sails as I would expect. With just me beating to windward with my 26 pound honda outboard my feet are dry, and no water comes up the centerboard pendant. With two plus the dog, I get a bit of water in the cockpit floor. So, I think she is probably close to the correct weight.
There is no easy way for me to put her in the water and then weigh the trailer. I would love to do that.
I do need to lose some weight somehow. My towing situation really demands it.
One way I think I could lose weight is to get rid of the extension. That thing must weigh 200 pounds by itself. It is 4 inch square steel, and at least 8 feet long. I suppose I could have it cut and drilled, and just put it back into the trailer short. That would lose some anyway. Whoo boy.
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
On Sep 29, 2012, at 6:35 PM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
when you M15 is in the water, with no one in the boat, is the bottom of the transom JUST under the water?
assuming that the boat is level (ie, not bow down or up) this will tell you if your M15 is 'heavy'.
:: Dave Scobie
Let's try this photo: Daniel On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:08 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
daniel:
photo didn't come through. be sure it is <200KB
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Sat, 9/29/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Did my photo come through?
Daniel
3rd times a charm? No photo Daniel. Skip -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:47 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer - photo Let's try this photo: Daniel On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:08 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
daniel:
photo didn't come through. be sure it is <200KB
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Sat, 9/29/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Did my photo come through?
Daniel
When towing a boat on the highway are you required to stop at the weigh stations? Sent from my iPad On Sep 29, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Don White <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
Funny how the boats can weigh much more than indicated on the brochure.. especially older boats. i had a Sandpiper 565 that was rated at 1200 lbs...turned out it was actually 1700 pounda and with the trailer, mast sails and cushions hit just over 2300 lbs as per a highway weigh station. That was a surprise.
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I definitely can loosen the bolts and adjust. And, that was my plan pending the weight of the whole thing.
So, I just got back from the more appropriate scale. The verdict:
1620 pounds. Exactly the same as the other scale to the pound. Shocking.
I have to believe that the boat must weigh about 850 as set up by me. Really almost nothing in the cockpit and cabin. So that would put the trailer at about 750-800. Amazing. What to do.
Daniel On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
I think Gary Hyde moved the axle forward on his M17 Pacific trailer because he had a tongue weight contraint on his tow vehicle. On my trailer, the spring hangers are welded to the frame, so I would have it done professionally by someone who knows how critical the axle alignment is. Too bad you can't just loosen some bolts and adjust.
On Sep 28, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
This whole thing came about because of high tongue weight. There is no way I can lift the tongue on this trailer. So, hopefully this weekend I will weigh the thing again with a different scale.
Daniel On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
Glessers' also have an extension.
a 'perspective' based in pushing and lifting the trailer tongue of the Glessers' trailer, without boat and with boat, and the other trailers and boat/trailers -
the trailer is lighter than 500# (one of the trailers i have that i have weighed on a scale) and lighter that an known 1800# boat/trailer combination (again weighed on a scale). so much lighter actually that the M15/trailer combo is 'next to nothing' to move from one end of the shop or parking lot to the other.
maybe your M15 has gold bars as ballast ;-)
:: Dave Scobie :: expert as pushing boats and trailers around parking lots ;-)
--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper.
Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote: > the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included. > > the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame. > > in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer. > > i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
I know that in Georgia if you weigh more 10,001 lbs or more you do. That includes vehicle and boat/trailer. I think most states have that as their limit. Also, if you do exceed this weight limit you need DOT numbers. That's why I buy my beer when I get to my destination... Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron McNeil To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Cc: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 1:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer When towing a boat on the highway are you required to stop at the weigh stations? Sent from my iPad On Sep 29, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Don White <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
Funny how the boats can weigh much more than indicated on the brochure.. especially older boats. i had a Sandpiper 565 that was rated at 1200 lbs...turned out it was actually 1700 pounda and with the trailer, mast sails and cushions hit just over 2300 lbs as per a highway weigh station. That was a surprise.
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I definitely can loosen the bolts and adjust. And, that was my plan pending the weight of the whole thing.
So, I just got back from the more appropriate scale. The verdict:
1620 pounds. Exactly the same as the other scale to the pound. Shocking.
I have to believe that the boat must weigh about 850 as set up by me. Really almost nothing in the cockpit and cabin. So that would put the trailer at about 750-800. Amazing. What to do.
Daniel On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
I think Gary Hyde moved the axle forward on his M17 Pacific trailer because he had a tongue weight contraint on his tow vehicle. On my trailer, the spring hangers are welded to the frame, so I would have it done professionally by someone who knows how critical the axle alignment is. Too bad you can't just loosen some bolts and adjust.
On Sep 28, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
This whole thing came about because of high tongue weight. There is no way I can lift the tongue on this trailer. So, hopefully this weekend I will weigh the thing again with a different scale.
Daniel On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daniel:
Glessers' also have an extension.
a 'perspective' based in pushing and lifting the trailer tongue of the Glessers' trailer, without boat and with boat, and the other trailers and boat/trailers -
the trailer is lighter than 500# (one of the trailers i have that i have weighed on a scale) and lighter that an known 1800# boat/trailer combination (again weighed on a scale). so much lighter actually that the M15/trailer combo is 'next to nothing' to move from one end of the shop or parking lot to the other.
maybe your M15 has gold bars as ballast ;-)
:: Dave Scobie :: expert as pushing boats and trailers around parking lots ;-)
--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. That is the trailer I have, the G14-1000. I do not have a spare on it. Mine has the trailer extension, which has to add like 100 pounds, since that piece of steel is a whopper.
Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote: > the declared weight on the certificate of origin is based on the standard framing, axle, tires, lights, bunks and mast crutch. everything else, like a spare tire, is 'option' and not included. > > the Glessers' new Pacific trailer for their M15 has a 'declared weight' of 350#. this is the G14-1000 frame. > > in my work with Pacific in designing trailers they admitted to using a 'formula' to generate the trailer's weight based on stock numbers ... not actually weighing the trailer. > > i haven't weighed the Glessers' trailer so i can't say what it comes in at.
Thanks, Bob. I'm gonna try one more scale, but I bet the weight is about right. Dan's E model must be lighter than standard, because you used some carbon fiber right? Daniel On 9/28/2012 9:17 AM, Bob Eeg wrote:
Daniel....in talking to "Joe" over at Pacific Trailers, he thinks the M_15 trailer is around 600 pounds. Add in a spare tire etc, more weight.
I've only weighed one M_15 and that was Dan Phy's E model. It weighed 597 pounds empty. I can only guess that most 15s weigh around 800 pounds without gear.
Be well Bob
From: danielgrich@gmail.com Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 21:12:19 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer
I know. I would love to do that. I would have to launch the boat somewhere, tie it to the dock, quickly go somewhere to weigh the trailerÂ…Not sure how to orchestrate that.
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 9:10 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Good idea to double check with a gravel pit/landscape scale. Let us know what you find out...too bad you can't pull the boat off and weigh them separately... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 08:58 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
OK, I'm thinking I've got to try another scale. There is a landscape supply place near here. They have a scale. It must be much smaller. Folks come with pickup trucks, and they weigh the truck before and after the gravel dump. So, the range would be smaller. I'll call them. Hmm.
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:50 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Could there be a mistake in the weighing? Just wondering...seems like you'd feel some scary stuff with a rig that heavy on a car rated 1000 lb. but sounds like it doesn't drive that scary.
cheers, John S.
On 09/27/2012 08:33 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
The whole thing is a bit concerning. I am just shocked at the total weight. I really am.
I have been towing all over the place with my Honda Accord, with no problems. I leave lots of space for braking. Now, an emergency braking situation could be dicey. My Outback is rated at 2700 lbs, but the caveat there is that above 1000 pounds they recommend that the trailer have brakes. Whoo boy.
Daniel On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:29 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
> Aloha, > > If you mean etrailer.com, their ratings are way off for vehicles I have personally owned that are on the small end of things. They are quoting 2000 lb. towing capacity for at least two small cars I know are mfg. rated at 1000 lb. capacity, and that with caveats about "not really > recommended for serious towing, and be really careful, or only with 5-speed, or only with automatic, and so on..." > > There are some other online databases for tow ratings that seem more accurate, this being one: > http://www.campinglife.com/tow-ratings-database/ > > ...I found another that appeared to be pulling from same base data, can't find it now but it had a few more mfg. details. > > cheers, > John S. > > > On 09/27/2012 04:54 PM, August Trometer wrote: >> Go to "E Trailor" and look up your car - they have hitches for ALL, and give >> the towing capability - most lighter/smaller cars are 200 TW, 2000 to pull >> or MORE >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com >> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel >> Rich >> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:48 PM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: M_Boats: Weight of boat and Pacific trailer >> >> Montypals: >> >> I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my >> Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. >> So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I >> needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went >> to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard >> to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my >> trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does >> not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern >> pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small >> anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All >> incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue >> weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been >> towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody >> else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta >> figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer? >> >> >> Daniel Rich >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >> danielgrich@gmail.com >> >> >> >> > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john@eco-living.net > http://eco-living.net >
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Daniel, Call the trailer manufacturer, with the model number and serial number. Most M boats were supplied with a Pacific trailer www.pacifictrailers.com. Also let them know if you have the extended winch post, extendable tongue etc, though that would be covered by giving the serial number. Our M17 on trailer was a bit more than we had calculated as well. Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622 On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Montypals:
I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
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