My Monty 15 is the first sailboat I've had with no topping lift. Our first sail was yesterday (great fun) and I have a question. We rig in the launch parking lot, launch the boat, motor out the channel to open water, hoist sail and the fun begins. With no topping lift, the boom simply lays down in the cockpit on one of the seats. Although workable, it takes up a fair amount of space and is a bit awkward. Am I missing something insofar as doing it this way. What do you all do and use to alleviate this? Might the main halyard be used to hold up the boom during this motoring time? Or, am I just being to bothered by a small detail? * * *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
Jeff, I'd simply install a topping lift, using a small block installed near the top of the mast on the port side and a cleat down near the base of the mast, also on the port side and a little to the side of the jib halyard. You can make the lift adjustable from the end of the boom also by installing a block and cleat there too. Bob Eeg of Montgomery Sailboats can tell you the size blocks and cleats to buy. If you don't want to install a lift, you can shackle the main halyard to the end of the boom to raise the boom to horizontal and off the seat while you're motoring to open water and then shackle it to the mainsail just before raising the main. Best, Ron Casino M15-Spirit ________________________________ From: Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 3:29 AM Subject: M_Boats: Topping Lift My Monty 15 is the first sailboat I've had with no topping lift. Our first sail was yesterday (great fun) and I have a question. We rig in the launch parking lot, launch the boat, motor out the channel to open water, hoist sail and the fun begins. With no topping lift, the boom simply lays down in the cockpit on one of the seats. Although workable, it takes up a fair amount of space and is a bit awkward. Am I missing something insofar as doing it this way. What do you all do and use to alleviate this? Might the main halyard be used to hold up the boom during this motoring time? Or, am I just being to bothered by a small detail? * * *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
Thanks Ron. A lot of our sailing will not involve this issue as we'll be able to sail away from the dock. Our quest to sail all of them will begin this week. We are blessed to be living in Northern Michigan. Shorter sailing season than some folks, but no lack of lakes to explore. Tuesday we'll head to Hubbard Lake; just up the road a bit and explore the 9800+ acres of those waters. On the channel motoring runs, I'm thinking that most of the time I could hoist the sails and motor out to the big water. If we get lucky (anything but Easterlies), we should be able to sail out. Fair winds, Jeff On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 8:02 AM, judy casino <jratesq@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jeff,
I'd simply install a topping lift, using a small block installed near the top of the mast on the port side and a cleat down near the base of the mast, also on the port side and a little to the side of the jib halyard. You can make the lift adjustable from the end of the boom also by installing a block and cleat there too. Bob Eeg of Montgomery Sailboats can tell you the size blocks and cleats to buy.
If you don't want to install a lift, you can shackle the main halyard to the end of the boom to raise the boom to horizontal and off the seat while you're motoring to open water and then shackle it to the mainsail just before raising the main.
Best,
Ron Casino M15-Spirit
________________________________ From: Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 3:29 AM Subject: M_Boats: Topping Lift
My Monty 15 is the first sailboat I've had with no topping lift. Our first sail was yesterday (great fun) and I have a question.
We rig in the launch parking lot, launch the boat, motor out the channel to open water, hoist sail and the fun begins. With no topping lift, the boom simply lays down in the cockpit on one of the seats. Although workable, it takes up a fair amount of space and is a bit awkward.
Am I missing something insofar as doing it this way. What do you all do and use to alleviate this? Might the main halyard be used to hold up the boom during this motoring time?
Or, am I just being to bothered by a small detail? * * *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
-- *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
Another approach would be to fasten the topping lift line at the top of the mast and put a small block at the rear of the boom; run the line thru the block and then forward to a small cleat. That's the way Bob sets them up on the newer 17's. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: judy casino To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:02 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Topping Lift Jeff, I'd simply install a topping lift, using a small block installed near the top of the mast on the port side and a cleat down near the base of the mast, also on the port side and a little to the side of the jib halyard. You can make the lift adjustable from the end of the boom also by installing a block and cleat there too. Bob Eeg of Montgomery Sailboats can tell you the size blocks and cleats to buy. If you don't want to install a lift, you can shackle the main halyard to the end of the boom to raise the boom to horizontal and off the seat while you're motoring to open water and then shackle it to the mainsail just before raising the main. Best, Ron Casino M15-Spirit ________________________________ From: Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 3:29 AM Subject: M_Boats: Topping Lift My Monty 15 is the first sailboat I've had with no topping lift. Our first sail was yesterday (great fun) and I have a question. We rig in the launch parking lot, launch the boat, motor out the channel to open water, hoist sail and the fun begins. With no topping lift, the boom simply lays down in the cockpit on one of the seats. Although workable, it takes up a fair amount of space and is a bit awkward. Am I missing something insofar as doing it this way. What do you all do and use to alleviate this? Might the main halyard be used to hold up the boom during this motoring time? Or, am I just being to bothered by a small detail? * * *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
Hello all, I bought my M15 in December of 2010 and was unable to use it all last year because I broke my left humerus in half and was out of commission for the short summers in Minnesota. I have been making the wood look nice on the boat and I am getting closer to approaching my first sail with my boat! With that being said I have a couple questions about the boat I'd really appreciate some help with it possible! I took the rudder apart and I am revarnishing it...stupid me I did not take photos of the set up to get it back together. I have all the hardware and probably can figure it out but I recall some bungee cords that were wrapped in a certain way. Are those necessary and if so does anyone have a picture or two they can send me to help guide me through the process? Second, in the locker closest to the bow it is full of styrofoam. Is that on every monty or did the guy before me just fill that area up with styrofoam? I am going to have to replace the center board rope, has anyone done this? Is it an easy job? Thanks in advance, Ted
Maybe someone can pipe in with a picture, but the bungee is necessary to hold the board down and also up. I think it's 5/16 but it might be 3/8. I hope you varnished the inside of the holes in the rudder and tiller when you varnished them! We put the foam in to give the boat flotation, but lots of people took it oput for the storage. Like most boats, the 15 really likes to carry weight there. Lots of info out there on replacing the pennant, but it's 5/16, with the core pulled out of the bottom 6 inches to allow for a small knot that will fit inside the hole in the board; you'll see when you drop the board. Remember to drive the pin in and out on the stbd side so you don't force the peened end thru! And glue it in with boatlife. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Weidenbach" <weid0069@umn.edu> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: M_Boats: A couple questions Hello all, I bought my M15 in December of 2010 and was unable to use it all last year because I broke my left humerus in half and was out of commission for the short summers in Minnesota. I have been making the wood look nice on the boat and I am getting closer to approaching my first sail with my boat! With that being said I have a couple questions about the boat I'd really appreciate some help with it possible! I took the rudder apart and I am revarnishing it...stupid me I did not take photos of the set up to get it back together. I have all the hardware and probably can figure it out but I recall some bungee cords that were wrapped in a certain way. Are those necessary and if so does anyone have a picture or two they can send me to help guide me through the process? Second, in the locker closest to the bow it is full of styrofoam. Is that on every monty or did the guy before me just fill that area up with styrofoam? I am going to have to replace the center board rope, has anyone done this? Is it an easy job? Thanks in advance, Ted -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 6685 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen
Is that drive out from starboard to port, then drive in from port to starboard, Jerry? On 6/16/2012 6:50 PM, jerry montgomery wrote:
Maybe someone can pipe in with a picture, but the bungee is necessary to hold the board down and also up. I think it's 5/16 but it might be 3/8. I hope you varnished the inside of the holes in the rudder and tiller when you varnished them!
We put the foam in to give the boat flotation, but lots of people took it oput for the storage. Like most boats, the 15 really likes to carry weight there.
Lots of info out there on replacing the pennant, but it's 5/16, with the core pulled out of the bottom 6 inches to allow for a small knot that will fit inside the hole in the board; you'll see when you drop the board. Remember to drive the pin in and out on the stbd side so you don't force the peened end thru! And glue it in with boatlife. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Weidenbach" <weid0069@umn.edu> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: M_Boats: A couple questions
Hello all,
I bought my M15 in December of 2010 and was unable to use it all last year because I broke my left humerus in half and was out of commission for the short summers in Minnesota. I have been making the wood look nice on the boat and I am getting closer to approaching my first sail with my boat!
With that being said I have a couple questions about the boat I'd really appreciate some help with it possible!
I took the rudder apart and I am revarnishing it...stupid me I did not take photos of the set up to get it back together. I have all the hardware and probably can figure it out but I recall some bungee cords that were wrapped in a certain way. Are those necessary and if so does anyone have a picture or two they can send me to help guide me through the process?
Second, in the locker closest to the bow it is full of styrofoam. Is that on every monty or did the guy before me just fill that area up with styrofoam?
I am going to have to replace the center board rope, has anyone done this? Is it an easy job?
Thanks in advance, Ted
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just the opposite! jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tyner" <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 4:19 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: A couple questions
Is that drive out from starboard to port, then drive in from port to starboard, Jerry?
On 6/16/2012 6:50 PM, jerry montgomery wrote:
Maybe someone can pipe in with a picture, but the bungee is necessary to hold the board down and also up. I think it's 5/16 but it might be 3/8. I hope you varnished the inside of the holes in the rudder and tiller when you varnished them!
We put the foam in to give the boat flotation, but lots of people took it oput for the storage. Like most boats, the 15 really likes to carry weight there.
Lots of info out there on replacing the pennant, but it's 5/16, with the core pulled out of the bottom 6 inches to allow for a small knot that will fit inside the hole in the board; you'll see when you drop the board. Remember to drive the pin in and out on the stbd side so you don't force the peened end thru! And glue it in with boatlife. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Weidenbach" <weid0069@umn.edu> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: M_Boats: A couple questions
Hello all,
I bought my M15 in December of 2010 and was unable to use it all last year because I broke my left humerus in half and was out of commission for the short summers in Minnesota. I have been making the wood look nice on the boat and I am getting closer to approaching my first sail with my boat!
With that being said I have a couple questions about the boat I'd really appreciate some help with it possible!
I took the rudder apart and I am revarnishing it...stupid me I did not take photos of the set up to get it back together. I have all the hardware and probably can figure it out but I recall some bungee cords that were wrapped in a certain way. Are those necessary and if so does anyone have a picture or two they can send me to help guide me through the process?
Second, in the locker closest to the bow it is full of styrofoam. Is that on every monty or did the guy before me just fill that area up with styrofoam?
I am going to have to replace the center board rope, has anyone done this? Is it an easy job?
Thanks in advance, Ted
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Does the same hold true for the 17?? ----- Original Message ----- From: jerry montgomery To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:51 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: A couple questions just the opposite! jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tyner" <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 4:19 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: A couple questions
Is that drive out from starboard to port, then drive in from port to starboard, Jerry?
On 6/16/2012 6:50 PM, jerry montgomery wrote:
Maybe someone can pipe in with a picture, but the bungee is necessary to hold the board down and also up. I think it's 5/16 but it might be 3/8. I hope you varnished the inside of the holes in the rudder and tiller when you varnished them!
We put the foam in to give the boat flotation, but lots of people took it oput for the storage. Like most boats, the 15 really likes to carry weight there.
Lots of info out there on replacing the pennant, but it's 5/16, with the core pulled out of the bottom 6 inches to allow for a small knot that will fit inside the hole in the board; you'll see when you drop the board. Remember to drive the pin in and out on the stbd side so you don't force the peened end thru! And glue it in with boatlife. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Weidenbach" <weid0069@umn.edu> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: M_Boats: A couple questions
Hello all,
I bought my M15 in December of 2010 and was unable to use it all last year because I broke my left humerus in half and was out of commission for the short summers in Minnesota. I have been making the wood look nice on the boat and I am getting closer to approaching my first sail with my boat!
With that being said I have a couple questions about the boat I'd really appreciate some help with it possible!
I took the rudder apart and I am revarnishing it...stupid me I did not take photos of the set up to get it back together. I have all the hardware and probably can figure it out but I recall some bungee cords that were wrapped in a certain way. Are those necessary and if so does anyone have a picture or two they can send me to help guide me through the process?
Second, in the locker closest to the bow it is full of styrofoam. Is that on every monty or did the guy before me just fill that area up with styrofoam?
I am going to have to replace the center board rope, has anyone done this? Is it an easy job?
Thanks in advance, Ted
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yes! On boats and old guns, pins go in and out on the right side, for the same reasons. No peening alowed. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:41 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: A couple questions Does the same hold true for the 17?? ----- Original Message ----- From: jerry montgomery To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:51 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: A couple questions just the opposite! jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tyner" <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 4:19 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: A couple questions
Is that drive out from starboard to port, then drive in from port to starboard, Jerry?
On 6/16/2012 6:50 PM, jerry montgomery wrote:
Maybe someone can pipe in with a picture, but the bungee is necessary to hold the board down and also up. I think it's 5/16 but it might be 3/8. I hope you varnished the inside of the holes in the rudder and tiller when you varnished them!
We put the foam in to give the boat flotation, but lots of people took it oput for the storage. Like most boats, the 15 really likes to carry weight there.
Lots of info out there on replacing the pennant, but it's 5/16, with the core pulled out of the bottom 6 inches to allow for a small knot that will fit inside the hole in the board; you'll see when you drop the board. Remember to drive the pin in and out on the stbd side so you don't force the peened end thru! And glue it in with boatlife. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Weidenbach" <weid0069@umn.edu> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: M_Boats: A couple questions
Hello all,
I bought my M15 in December of 2010 and was unable to use it all last year because I broke my left humerus in half and was out of commission for the short summers in Minnesota. I have been making the wood look nice on the boat and I am getting closer to approaching my first sail with my boat!
With that being said I have a couple questions about the boat I'd really appreciate some help with it possible!
I took the rudder apart and I am revarnishing it...stupid me I did not take photos of the set up to get it back together. I have all the hardware and probably can figure it out but I recall some bungee cords that were wrapped in a certain way. Are those necessary and if so does anyone have a picture or two they can send me to help guide me through the process?
Second, in the locker closest to the bow it is full of styrofoam. Is that on every monty or did the guy before me just fill that area up with styrofoam?
I am going to have to replace the center board rope, has anyone done this? Is it an easy job?
Thanks in advance, Ted
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Thanks for the tip. Guns too....hmm Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: jerry montgomery To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:20 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: A couple questions yes! On boats and old guns, pins go in and out on the right side, for the same reasons. No peening alowed. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:41 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: A couple questions Does the same hold true for the 17?? ----- Original Message ----- From: jerry montgomery To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:51 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: A couple questions just the opposite! jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tyner" <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 4:19 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: A couple questions > Is that drive out from starboard to port, then drive in from port to > starboard, Jerry? > > On 6/16/2012 6:50 PM, jerry montgomery wrote: >> Maybe someone can pipe in with a picture, but the bungee is necessary to >> hold the board down and also up. I think it's 5/16 but it might be >> 3/8. I hope you varnished the inside of the holes in the rudder and >> tiller when you varnished them! >> >> We put the foam in to give the boat flotation, but lots of people took >> it oput for the storage. Like most boats, the 15 really likes to carry >> weight there. >> >> Lots of info out there on replacing the pennant, but it's 5/16, with the >> core pulled out of the bottom 6 inches to allow for a small knot that >> will fit inside the hole in the board; you'll see when you drop the >> board. Remember to drive the pin in and out on the stbd side so you >> don't force the peened end thru! And glue it in with boatlife. >> jerry >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Weidenbach" <weid0069@umn.edu> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >> <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:58 PM >> Subject: M_Boats: A couple questions >> >> >> Hello all, >> >> I bought my M15 in December of 2010 and was unable to use it all last >> year because I broke my left humerus in half and was out of commission >> for the short summers in Minnesota. I have been making the wood look >> nice on the boat and I am getting closer to approaching my first sail >> with my boat! >> >> With that being said I have a couple questions about the boat I'd really >> appreciate some help with it possible! >> >> I took the rudder apart and I am revarnishing it...stupid me I did not >> take photos of the set up to get it back together. I have all the >> hardware and probably can figure it out but I recall some bungee cords >> that were wrapped in a certain way. Are those necessary and if so does >> anyone have a picture or two they can send me to help guide me through >> the process? >> >> Second, in the locker closest to the bow it is full of styrofoam. Is >> that on every monty or did the guy before me just fill that area up with >> styrofoam? >> >> I am going to have to replace the center board rope, has anyone done >> this? Is it an easy job? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Ted >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> SPAMfighter has removed 6685 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan >> http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen >> >> >> >> > > >
you can use a 'clamcleat' 203 junior to construct a topping lift for the boom. just requires a strap eye installed just below the masthead (your choice port or starboard side of mast), another strap eye at the end of the boom, the CL203 and a 3/16" line. this is outlined on the Clamcleat www-site - http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats/cleat_details.asp?theid2=5 see the picture on the above www-sited titled 'Inovative [sic] use for low-cost dinghy vang ...' tie the line to the strap eye at the masthead. run the line through the fastener holes on the CL203 (make sure the fairlead is facing the boom), run the line through the strap eye at the boom end, run the line through the CL203's fairlead. the above system is nice as you don't have a long line running from the boom, up to the masthead and then back down to the mast and run to the cockpit. having that long line going up and then down is added windage and weight aloft. you also don't need a block at the masthead, bock at the foot of the mast, turning block to lead the line aft, and a cleat at the cockpit (weight and windwage). the system is also cheaper as you buy a shorter length of line and less hardware. the system is also K.I.S.S. :: Dave Scobie --- On Sat, 6/16/12, Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff@gmail.com> wrote:
My Monty 15 is the first sailboat I've had with no topping lift. Our first sail was yesterday (great fun) and I have a question.
We rig in the launch parking lot, launch the boat, motor out the channel to open water, hoist sail and the fun begins. With no topping lift, the boom simply lays down in the cockpit on one of the seats. Although workable, it takes up a fair amount of space and is a bit awkward.
Am I missing something insofar as doing it this way. What do you all do and use to alleviate this? Might the main halyard be used to hold up the boom during this motoring time?
Or, am I just being to bothered by a small detail? * * *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
Thanks all; I just ordered the parts and line from West Marine. Will do the job when they arrive. Question: I have stainless strap eyes ordered (for mast and boom) which come with #8 screw fasteners. Is the screw method OK or ought I use pop rivets? Jeff On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
you can use a 'clamcleat' 203 junior to construct a topping lift for the boom. just requires a strap eye installed just below the masthead (your choice port or starboard side of mast), another strap eye at the end of the boom, the CL203 and a 3/16" line. this is outlined on the Clamcleat www-site -
http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats/cleat_details.asp?theid2=5
see the picture on the above www-sited titled 'Inovative [sic] use for low-cost dinghy vang ...'
tie the line to the strap eye at the masthead. run the line through the fastener holes on the CL203 (make sure the fairlead is facing the boom), run the line through the strap eye at the boom end, run the line through the CL203's fairlead.
the above system is nice as you don't have a long line running from the boom, up to the masthead and then back down to the mast and run to the cockpit. having that long line going up and then down is added windage and weight aloft. you also don't need a block at the masthead, bock at the foot of the mast, turning block to lead the line aft, and a cleat at the cockpit (weight and windwage). the system is also cheaper as you buy a shorter length of line and less hardware. the system is also K.I.S.S.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Sat, 6/16/12, Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff@gmail.com> wrote:
My Monty 15 is the first sailboat I've had with no topping lift. Our first sail was yesterday (great fun) and I have a question.
We rig in the launch parking lot, launch the boat, motor out the channel to open water, hoist sail and the fun begins. With no topping lift, the boom simply lays down in the cockpit on one of the seats. Although workable, it takes up a fair amount of space and is a bit awkward.
Am I missing something insofar as doing it this way. What do you all do and use to alleviate this? Might the main halyard be used to hold up the boom during this motoring time?
Or, am I just being to bothered by a small detail? * * *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
-- *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
as a topping lift for the boom is 'low load bearing' so you can get away with using alum pop rivets. :: Dave Scobie --- On Fri, 6/22/12, Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks all; I just ordered the parts and line from West Marine. Will do the job when they arrive.
Question: I have stainless strap eyes ordered (for mast and boom) which come with #8 screw fasteners. Is the screw method OK or ought I use pop rivets?
Jeff
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
you can use a 'clamcleat' 203 junior to construct a topping lift for the boom. just requires a strap eye installed just below the masthead (your choice port or starboard side of mast), another strap eye at the end of the boom, the CL203 and a 3/16" line. this is outlined on the Clamcleat www-site -
http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats/cleat_details.asp?theid2=5
see the picture on the above www-sited titled 'Inovative [sic] use for low-cost dinghy vang ...'
tie the line to the strap eye at the masthead. run the line through the fastener holes on the CL203 (make sure the fairlead is facing the boom), run the line through the strap eye at the boom end, run the line through the CL203's fairlead.
the above system is nice as you don't have a long line running from the boom, up to the masthead and then back down to the mast and run to the cockpit. having that long line going up and then down is added windage and weight aloft. you also don't need a block at the masthead, bock at the foot of the mast, turning block to lead the line aft, and a cleat at the cockpit (weight and windwage). the system is also cheaper as you buy a shorter length of line and less hardware. the system is also K.I.S.S.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Sat, 6/16/12, Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff@gmail.com> wrote:
My Monty 15 is the first sailboat I've had with no topping lift. Our first sail was yesterday (great fun) and I have a
question.
We rig in the launch parking lot, launch the boat,
motor out
the channel to open water, hoist sail and the fun begins. With no topping lift, the boom simply lays down in the cockpit on one of the seats. Although workable, it takes up a fair amount of space and is a bit awkward.
Am I missing something insofar as doing it this way. What do you all do and use to alleviate this? Might the main halyard be used to hold up the boom during this motoring time?
Or, am I just being to bothered by a small detail? * * *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
-- *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
so, I should not use the screws? On Jun 22, 2012 4:38 PM, "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
as a topping lift for the boom is 'low load bearing' so you can get away with using alum pop rivets.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Fri, 6/22/12, Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks all; I just ordered the parts and line from West Marine. Will do the job when they arrive.
Question: I have stainless strap eyes ordered (for mast and boom) which come with #8 screw fasteners. Is the screw method OK or ought I use pop rivets?
Jeff
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
you can use a 'clamcleat' 203 junior to construct a topping lift for the boom. just requires a strap eye installed just below the masthead (your choice port or starboard side of mast), another strap eye at the end of the boom, the CL203 and a 3/16" line. this is outlined on the Clamcleat www-site -
http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats/cleat_details.asp?theid2=5
see the picture on the above www-sited titled 'Inovative [sic] use for low-cost dinghy vang ...'
tie the line to the strap eye at the masthead. run the line through the fastener holes on the CL203 (make sure the fairlead is facing the boom), run the line through the strap eye at the boom end, run the line through the CL203's fairlead.
the above system is nice as you don't have a long line running from the boom, up to the masthead and then back down to the mast and run to the cockpit. having that long line going up and then down is added windage and weight aloft. you also don't need a block at the masthead, bock at the foot of the mast, turning block to lead the line aft, and a cleat at the cockpit (weight and windwage). the system is also cheaper as you buy a shorter length of line and less hardware. the system is also K.I.S.S.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Sat, 6/16/12, Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff@gmail.com> wrote:
My Monty 15 is the first sailboat I've had with no topping lift. Our first sail was yesterday (great fun) and I have a
question.
We rig in the launch parking lot, launch the boat,
motor out
the channel to open water, hoist sail and the fun begins. With no topping lift, the boom simply lays down in the cockpit on one of the seats. Although workable, it takes up a fair amount of space and is a bit awkward.
Am I missing something insofar as doing it this way. What do you all do and use to alleviate this? Might the main halyard be used to hold up the boom during this motoring time?
Or, am I just being to bothered by a small detail? * * *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
-- *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
if it is easier for you to use the screws they will work. check the threads as sometimes 'kits' come with wood screws, not machine screws, that will easily strip out the hole. for most installations i pop-rivet (stainless). you can also use a tap to thread the holes and use machine screws (less likely to strip the hole using a tap and machine screws). good idea to use Loctite if you machine screws. :: Dave Scobie --- On Fri, 6/22/12, Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff@gmail.com> wrote:
so, I should not use the screws?
On Jun 22, 2012 4:38 PM, "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
as a topping lift for the boom is 'low load bearing' so you can get away with using alum pop rivets.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Fri, 6/22/12, Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks all; I just ordered the parts and line from West Marine. Will do the job when they arrive.
Question: I have stainless strap eyes ordered (for
mast and
boom) which come with #8 screw fasteners. Is the screw method OK or ought I use pop rivets?
Jeff
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
you can use a 'clamcleat' 203 junior to construct a topping lift for the boom. just requires a strap eye installed just below the masthead (your choice port or starboard side of mast), another strap eye at the end of the boom, the CL203 and a 3/16" line. this is outlined on the Clamcleat www-site -
http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats/cleat_details.asp?theid2=5
see the picture on the above www-sited titled 'Inovative [sic] use for low-cost dinghy vang ...'
tie the line to the strap eye at the masthead. run the line through the fastener holes on the CL203 (make sure the fairlead is facing the boom), run the line through the strap eye at the boom end, run the line through the CL203's fairlead.
the above system is nice as you don't have a long line running from the boom, up to the masthead and then back down to the mast and run to the cockpit. having that long line going up and then down is added windage and weight aloft. you also don't need a block at the masthead, bock at the foot of the mast, turning block to lead the line aft, and a cleat at the cockpit (weight and windwage). the system is also cheaper as you buy a shorter length of line and less hardware. the system is also K.I.S.S.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Sat, 6/16/12, Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff@gmail.com> wrote:
My Monty 15 is the first sailboat I've had with no topping lift. Our
first
sail was yesterday (great fun) and I have a question.
We rig in the launch parking lot, launch the boat, motor out the channel to open water, hoist sail and the fun begins. With no topping lift, the boom simply lays down in the cockpit on one of the seats. Although workable, it takes up a fair amount of space and is a bit awkward.
Am I missing something insofar as doing it this way. What do you all do and use to alleviate this? Might the main halyard be used to hold up the boom during this motoring time?
Or, am I just being to bothered by a small detail? * * *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
I would probably use #10 s/s Scews. Tap the hole and coat the screw with tef gel. That will stave off the galvanic corrosion. JOe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Johnston To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:26 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Topping Lift Thanks all; I just ordered the parts and line from West Marine. Will do the job when they arrive. Question: I have stainless strap eyes ordered (for mast and boom) which come with #8 screw fasteners. Is the screw method OK or ought I use pop rivets? Jeff On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
you can use a 'clamcleat' 203 junior to construct a topping lift for the boom. just requires a strap eye installed just below the masthead (your choice port or starboard side of mast), another strap eye at the end of the boom, the CL203 and a 3/16" line. this is outlined on the Clamcleat www-site -
http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats/cleat_details.asp?theid2=5
see the picture on the above www-sited titled 'Inovative [sic] use for low-cost dinghy vang ...'
tie the line to the strap eye at the masthead. run the line through the fastener holes on the CL203 (make sure the fairlead is facing the boom), run the line through the strap eye at the boom end, run the line through the CL203's fairlead.
the above system is nice as you don't have a long line running from the boom, up to the masthead and then back down to the mast and run to the cockpit. having that long line going up and then down is added windage and weight aloft. you also don't need a block at the masthead, bock at the foot of the mast, turning block to lead the line aft, and a cleat at the cockpit (weight and windwage). the system is also cheaper as you buy a shorter length of line and less hardware. the system is also K.I.S.S.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Sat, 6/16/12, Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff@gmail.com> wrote:
My Monty 15 is the first sailboat I've had with no topping lift. Our first sail was yesterday (great fun) and I have a question.
We rig in the launch parking lot, launch the boat, motor out the channel to open water, hoist sail and the fun begins. With no topping lift, the boom simply lays down in the cockpit on one of the seats. Although workable, it takes up a fair amount of space and is a bit awkward.
Am I missing something insofar as doing it this way. What do you all do and use to alleviate this? Might the main halyard be used to hold up the boom during this motoring time?
Or, am I just being to bothered by a small detail? * * *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
-- *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
Just finished a sail and used the topping lift I installed per Dave Scobie (with the Clamcleat 203 junior). Works like a charm. Thanks all. Jeff Johnston *Wrinkles* - M15 #176 On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I would probably use #10 s/s Scews. Tap the hole and coat the screw with tef gel. That will stave off the galvanic corrosion. JOe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Johnston To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:26 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Topping Lift
Thanks all; I just ordered the parts and line from West Marine. Will do the job when they arrive.
Question: I have stainless strap eyes ordered (for mast and boom) which come with #8 screw fasteners. Is the screw method OK or ought I use pop rivets?
Jeff
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
you can use a 'clamcleat' 203 junior to construct a topping lift for the boom. just requires a strap eye installed just below the masthead (your choice port or starboard side of mast), another strap eye at the end of the boom, the CL203 and a 3/16" line. this is outlined on the Clamcleat www-site -
http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats/cleat_details.asp?theid2=5
see the picture on the above www-sited titled 'Inovative [sic] use for low-cost dinghy vang ...'
tie the line to the strap eye at the masthead. run the line through the fastener holes on the CL203 (make sure the fairlead is facing the boom), run the line through the strap eye at the boom end, run the line through the CL203's fairlead.
the above system is nice as you don't have a long line running from the boom, up to the masthead and then back down to the mast and run to the cockpit. having that long line going up and then down is added windage and weight aloft. you also don't need a block at the masthead, bock at the foot of the mast, turning block to lead the line aft, and a cleat at the cockpit (weight and windwage). the system is also cheaper as you buy a shorter length of line and less hardware. the system is also K.I.S.S.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Sat, 6/16/12, Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff@gmail.com> wrote:
My Monty 15 is the first sailboat I've had with no topping lift. Our first sail was yesterday (great fun) and I have a question.
We rig in the launch parking lot, launch the boat, motor out the channel to open water, hoist sail and the fun begins. With no topping lift, the boom simply lays down in the cockpit on one of the seats. Although workable, it takes up a fair amount of space and is a bit awkward.
Am I missing something insofar as doing it this way. What do you all do and use to alleviate this? Might the main halyard be used to hold up the boom during this motoring time?
Or, am I just being to bothered by a small detail? * * *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
-- *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
-- *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
A good web site for all kinds of cleats... http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats/pictorial_index.asp Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Johnston To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 2:40 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Topping Lift Just finished a sail and used the topping lift I installed per Dave Scobie (with the Clamcleat 203 junior). Works like a charm. Thanks all. Jeff Johnston *Wrinkles* - M15 #176 On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I would probably use #10 s/s Scews. Tap the hole and coat the screw with tef gel. That will stave off the galvanic corrosion. JOe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Johnston To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:26 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Topping Lift
Thanks all; I just ordered the parts and line from West Marine. Will do the job when they arrive.
Question: I have stainless strap eyes ordered (for mast and boom) which come with #8 screw fasteners. Is the screw method OK or ought I use pop rivets?
Jeff
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:26 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
you can use a 'clamcleat' 203 junior to construct a topping lift for the boom. just requires a strap eye installed just below the masthead (your choice port or starboard side of mast), another strap eye at the end of the boom, the CL203 and a 3/16" line. this is outlined on the Clamcleat www-site -
http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats/cleat_details.asp?theid2=5
see the picture on the above www-sited titled 'Inovative [sic] use for low-cost dinghy vang ...'
tie the line to the strap eye at the masthead. run the line through the fastener holes on the CL203 (make sure the fairlead is facing the boom), run the line through the strap eye at the boom end, run the line through the CL203's fairlead.
the above system is nice as you don't have a long line running from the boom, up to the masthead and then back down to the mast and run to the cockpit. having that long line going up and then down is added windage and weight aloft. you also don't need a block at the masthead, bock at the foot of the mast, turning block to lead the line aft, and a cleat at the cockpit (weight and windwage). the system is also cheaper as you buy a shorter length of line and less hardware. the system is also K.I.S.S.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Sat, 6/16/12, Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff@gmail.com> wrote:
My Monty 15 is the first sailboat I've had with no topping lift. Our first sail was yesterday (great fun) and I have a question.
We rig in the launch parking lot, launch the boat, motor out the channel to open water, hoist sail and the fun begins. With no topping lift, the boom simply lays down in the cockpit on one of the seats. Although workable, it takes up a fair amount of space and is a bit awkward.
Am I missing something insofar as doing it this way. What do you all do and use to alleviate this? Might the main halyard be used to hold up the boom during this motoring time?
Or, am I just being to bothered by a small detail? * * *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
-- *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
-- *Jeff+* Molōn labe!
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Jeffrey Johnston -
jerry montgomery -
Joe Murphy -
John Tyner -
judy casino -
Ted Weidenbach -
W David Scobie