Re: M_Boats: Centerboard trials and tribulations
Seems there is always someone having problems with one of the old cast iron centerboards. My boat has the same problems and I'll be working on it soon. It would sure be beneficial to a great many of us if a suitable replacement could be created. I was surprised to learn the newer M17's board is so much lighter. Is the weight difference made up in the keel? Could a lighter board be used on an older model? I realize the board on the newer boats won't fit the older models, but if a lighter weight model could be made to replace the cast iron, without too much loss of performance or stiffness, it sure would be a lot easier to handle. Also, earlier discussions speculated on the possibility of getting a professional to build some boards if there was enough interest. Count me in. Larry Y. M17, #200 Tullamore
M-17 Sailors- If there is indeed a significant interest in a replacement CB for the old model keel/CB boats, which incompass about 90% of those made, I might be interested in making one available. What I have in mind is either one of glass, with a lead core, or one of cast bronze, which would be more expensive, but heavier and more dependable. Those interested might email me privately and I will give it some more thought. Frankly, it won't work unless I can make a dozen a year or so, because it will be a week's work to make the tooling. Those responding might state their preference as to a 100 lb glass board or a 220 pound bronze. The glass board would probably hang on the pennant. My thinking on this will be influenced by the fact that I have been dragging around a M-23 CB for about 20 years now and nobody seems to need it. The next time I have to move it it will be sold for scrap. Thought I had it sold a year ago to a guy who is building a one-off boat, but he seems to have run out of momentum. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Yake To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 8:42 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard trials and tribulations Seems there is always someone having problems with one of the old cast iron centerboards. My boat has the same problems and I'll be working on it soon. It would sure be beneficial to a great many of us if a suitable replacement could be created. I was surprised to learn the newer M17's board is so much lighter. Is the weight difference made up in the keel? Could a lighter board be used on an older model? I realize the board on the newer boats won't fit the older models, but if a lighter weight model could be made to replace the cast iron, without too much loss of performance or stiffness, it sure would be a lot easier to handle. Also, earlier discussions speculated on the possibility of getting a professional to build some boards if there was enough interest. Count me in. Larry Y. M17, #200 Tullamore
--- Jerry Mongomery <jmbn@innercite.com> wrote:
M-17 Sailors- If there is indeed a significant interest in a replacement CB for the old model keel/CB boats, which incompass about 90% of those made, I might be interested in making one available. What I have in mind is either one of glass, with a lead core, or one of cast bronze, which would be more expensive, but heavier and more dependable. Those interested might email me privately and I will give it some more thought. Frankly, it won't work unless I can make a dozen a year or so, because it will be a week's work to make the tooling. Those responding might state their preference as to a 100 lb glass board or a 220 pound bronze. The glass board would probably hang on the pennant.
My thinking on this will be influenced by the fact that I have been dragging around a M-23 CB for about 20 years now and nobody seems to need it. The next time I have to move it it will be sold for scrap. Thought I had it sold a year ago to a guy who is building a one-off boat, but he seems to have run out of momentum.
Jerry, ANY reason as to why the weight difference between the 2 materials? I wonder if a 120# BRONZE BOARD MIGHT NOT BE IN ORDER? Just wondering, Eugene ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Yake To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 8:42 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard trials and tribulations
Seems there is always someone having problems with one of the old cast iron centerboards. My boat has the same problems and I'll be working on it soon. It would sure be beneficial to a great many of us if a suitable replacement could be created. I was surprised to learn the newer M17's board is so much lighter. Is the weight difference made up in the keel? Could a lighter board be used on an older model? I realize the board on the newer boats won't fit the older models, but if a lighter weight model could be made to replace the cast iron, without too much loss of performance or stiffness, it sure would be a lot easier to handle. Also, earlier discussions speculated on the possibility of getting a professional to build some boards if there was enough interest. Count me in. Larry Y. M17, #200 Tullamore
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Simply a matter of density. In order to be the proper size for the trunk a bronze board would be somewhat heavier than the 170 lbs of the original iron board. Without bothering to look it up, I guessed at the weight. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Lodrini" <capteugene@yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 12:06 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard trials and tribulations
--- Jerry Mongomery <jmbn@innercite.com> wrote:
M-17 Sailors- If there is indeed a significant interest in a replacement CB for the old model keel/CB boats, which incompass about 90% of those made, I might be interested in making one available. What I have in mind is either one of glass, with a lead core, or one of cast bronze, which would be more expensive, but heavier and more dependable. Those interested might email me privately and I will give it some more thought. Frankly, it won't work unless I can make a dozen a year or so, because it will be a week's work to make the tooling. Those responding might state their preference as to a 100 lb glass board or a 220 pound bronze. The glass board would probably hang on the pennant.
My thinking on this will be influenced by the fact that I have been dragging around a M-23 CB for about 20 years now and nobody seems to need it. The next time I have to move it it will be sold for scrap. Thought I had it sold a year ago to a guy who is building a one-off boat, but he seems to have run out of momentum.
Jerry, ANY reason as to why the weight difference between the 2 materials? I wonder if a 120# BRONZE BOARD MIGHT NOT BE IN ORDER? Just wondering, Eugene ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Yake To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 8:42 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard trials and tribulations
Seems there is always someone having problems with one of the old cast iron centerboards. My boat has the same problems and I'll be working on it soon. It would sure be beneficial to a great many of us if a suitable replacement could be created. I was surprised to learn the newer M17's board is so much lighter. Is the weight difference made up in the keel? Could a lighter board be used on an older model? I realize the board on the newer boats won't fit the older models, but if a lighter weight model could be made to replace the cast iron, without too much loss of performance or stiffness, it sure would be a lot easier to handle. Also, earlier discussions speculated on the possibility of getting a professional to build some boards if there was enough interest. Count me in. Larry Y. M17, #200 Tullamore
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Would the increased weight of a bronze board affect performace, + or -? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Mongomery" <jmbn@innercite.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:51 PM Subject: M_Boats: Centerboard trials and tribulations Simply a matter of density. In order to be the proper size for the trunk a bronze board would be somewhat heavier than the 170 lbs of the original iron board. Without bothering to look it up, I guessed at the weight. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Lodrini" <capteugene@yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 12:06 PM Subject: M_Boats: Centerboard trials and tribulations
--- Jerry Mongomery <jmbn@innercite.com> wrote:
M-17 Sailors- If there is indeed a significant interest in a replacement CB for the old model keel/CB boats, which incompass about 90% of those made, I might be interested in making one available. What I have in mind is either one of glass, with a lead core, or one of cast bronze, which would be more expensive, but heavier and more dependable. Those interested might email me privately and I will give it some more thought. Frankly, it won't work unless I can make a dozen a year or so, because it will be a week's work to make the tooling. Those responding might state their preference as to a 100 lb glass board or a 220 pound bronze. The glass board would probably hang on the pennant.
My thinking on this will be influenced by the fact that I have been dragging around a M-23 CB for about 20 years now and nobody seems to need it. The next time I have to move it it will be sold for scrap. Thought I had it sold a year ago to a guy who is building a one-off boat, but he seems to have run out of momentum.
Jerry, ANY reason as to why the weight difference between the 2 materials? I wonder if a 120# BRONZE BOARD MIGHT NOT BE IN ORDER? Just wondering, Eugene
----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Yake To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 8:42 PM Subject: M_Boats: Centerboard trials and tribulations
Seems there is always someone having problems with one of the old cast iron centerboards. My boat has the same problems and I'll be working on it soon. It would sure be beneficial to a great many of us if a suitable replacement could be created. I was surprised to learn the newer M17's board is so much lighter. Is the weight difference made up in the keel? Could a lighter board be used on an older model? I realize the board on the newer boats won't fit the older models, but if a lighter weight model could be made to replace the cast iron, without too much loss of performance or stiffness, it sure would be a lot easier to handle. Also, earlier discussions speculated on the possibility of getting a professional to build some boards if there was enough interest. Count me in. Larry Y. M17, #200 Tullamore
Jerry; I don't know how to email you directly but I am definitely interested in the new centerboard for my M17. Please put me on the list. Ken Wheeler ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Mongomery To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 9:33 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard trials and tribulations M-17 Sailors- If there is indeed a significant interest in a replacement CB for the old model keel/CB boats, which incompass about 90% of those made, I might be interested in making one available. What I have in mind is either one of glass, with a lead core, or one of cast bronze, which would be more expensive, but heavier and more dependable. Those interested might email me privately and I will give it some more thought. Frankly, it won't work unless I can make a dozen a year or so, because it will be a week's work to make the tooling. Those responding might state their preference as to a 100 lb glass board or a 220 pound bronze. The glass board would probably hang on the pennant. My thinking on this will be influenced by the fact that I have been dragging around a M-23 CB for about 20 years now and nobody seems to need it. The next time I have to move it it will be sold for scrap. Thought I had it sold a year ago to a guy who is building a one-off boat, but he seems to have run out of momentum. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Yake To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 8:42 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard trials and tribulations Seems there is always someone having problems with one of the old cast iron centerboards. My boat has the same problems and I'll be working on it soon. It would sure be beneficial to a great many of us if a suitable replacement could be created. I was surprised to learn the newer M17's board is so much lighter. Is the weight difference made up in the keel? Could a lighter board be used on an older model? I realize the board on the newer boats won't fit the older models, but if a lighter weight model could be made to replace the cast iron, without too much loss of performance or stiffness, it sure would be a lot easier to handle. Also, earlier discussions speculated on the possibility of getting a professional to build some boards if there was enough interest. Count me in. Larry Y. M17, #200 Tullamore
The idea of a bronze board is intriguing. Would the extra weight of the bronze affect the sailing dynamics of the M-17? If wasn't too pricey I would be interested. Ian M-17 #343 Seaweeble ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Wheeler To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:17 PM
--- Larry Yake <leyake@juno.com> wrote:
Seems there is always someone having problems with one of the old cast iron centerboards. My boat has the same problems and I'll be working on it soon. It would sure be beneficial to a great many of us if a suitable replacement could be created. I was surprised to learn the newer M17's board is so much lighter. Is the weight difference made up in the keel? Could a lighter board be used on an older model? I realize the board on the newer boats won't fit the older models, but if a lighter weight model could be made to replace the cast iron, without too much loss of performance or stiffness, it sure would be a lot easier to handle. Also, earlier discussions speculated on the possibility of getting a professional to build some boards if there was enough interest. Count me in. Larry Y. M17, #200 Tullamore, Larry, From layman's perspective I surmise that the M17's with the old cast iron boards point higher, and here is my 'logic' for it. It would seem to me that the weight and density of the cast iron board would keep it from 'floating up' in the cbd trunk; as the boat progressed foward through the water. Whereas, the newer, lighter fibreglass boards MAY move aft slightly when beating hard on the wind. I passed this by a friend of mine who's a longtime sailor; and he somewhat agreeed to the premise. Only one way to find out....have a couple of each design get together and sail on the same compass courses; switching crews for half the day, so as not to have the issue become the helmsperson. I'd suggest that be a starting point for the 'old boats' to begin from; as Mr Lyle Hess designed the board from cast iron for a reason, I surmise again. I would think the added weight of the cast bd's, contributes to a 'smoother ride' through chop/rough seas. Just my thoughts, a few years sailing myself on many types of boats out of New England area, 14' ers to 12 meter :) Eugene
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I like the supposition regarding the c-i centerboard, as I am a sailor of an older M17 also, but are you sure Lyle designated it? I thought that the keel/c-b was a Jerry innovation: The very very first M17's had fixed keels. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Lodrini" <capteugene@yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 2:35 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard trials and tribulations --- Larry Yake <leyake@juno.com> wrote:
Seems there is always someone having problems with one of the old cast iron centerboards. My boat has the same problems and I'll be working on it soon. It would sure be beneficial to a great many of us if a suitable replacement could be created. I was surprised to learn the newer M17's board is so much lighter. Is the weight difference made up in the keel? Could a lighter board be used on an older model? I realize the board on the newer boats won't fit the older models, but if a lighter weight model could be made to replace the cast iron, without too much loss of performance or stiffness, it sure would be a lot easier to handle. Also, earlier discussions speculated on the possibility of getting a professional to build some boards if there was enough interest. Count me in. Larry Y. M17, #200 Tullamore, Larry, From layman's perspective I surmise that the M17's with the old cast iron boards point higher, and here is my 'logic' for it. It would seem to me that the weight and density of the cast iron board would keep it from 'floating up' in the cbd trunk; as the boat progressed foward through the water. Whereas, the newer, lighter fibreglass boards MAY move aft slightly when beating hard on the wind. I passed this by a friend of mine who's a longtime sailor; and he somewhat agreeed to the premise. Only one way to find out....have a couple of each design get together and sail on the same compass courses; switching crews for half the day, so as not to have the issue become the helmsperson. I'd suggest that be a starting point for the 'old boats' to begin from; as Mr Lyle Hess designed the board from cast iron for a reason, I surmise again. I would think the added weight of the cast bd's, contributes to a 'smoother ride' through chop/rough seas. Just my thoughts, a few years sailing myself on many types of boats out of New England area, 14' ers to 12 meter :) Eugene
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Eugene Lodrini -
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Jerry Mongomery -
Ken Wheeler -
Larry Yake