Re: M_Boats: RE: Boom Bale/Vang for M17
I have a boom vang and I use it a lot when I race. It keeps the boom from lifting when on a run thus reducing effective sail area. It isn't necessary to have one on a M17 but I sometimes use it when recreational sailing (especially when "racing" Catalina 22s *L*), and I like to have it onboard as an emergency back up to the main sheet. John M Edwards Miss T M17 # 372
I've asked this before and I'm dying to know. Can an M17 REALLY outrun a Catalina 22' in a deliberate race? I would guess the Catalina has a longer waterline, lighter displacement for its waterline and deeper centerboard. The Catalina also has a racing pedigree. Could, for instance, Tom VanAtta and Jerry Montgomery in a properly equipped M17 outrun a race-equipped Catalina 22' skippered by an experienced racer? ----- Original Message ----- From: Saltm17@aol.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:01 PM Subject: Boom Bale/Vang for M17 I have a boom vang and I use it a lot when I race. It keeps the boom from lifting when on a run thus reducing effective sail area. It isn't necessary to have one on a M17 but I sometimes use it when recreational sailing (especially when "racing" Catalina 22s *L*), and I like to have it onboard as an emergency back up to the main sheet. John M Edwards Miss T M17 # 372
I think a well-sailed, well-tuned Cat 22 is a touch faster than a 17, except in a real drifter or above about 20 knots of wind. They're close, tho. We made the tall rigged 17 primarily to beat the 22's, which it does! Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Honshells To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 4:23 PM Subject: M_Boats: Catalina 22' I've asked this before and I'm dying to know. Can an M17 REALLY outrun a Catalina 22' in a deliberate race? I would guess the Catalina has a longer waterline, lighter displacement for its waterline and deeper centerboard. The Catalina also has a racing pedigree. Could, for instance, Tom VanAtta and Jerry Montgomery in a properly equipped M17 outrun a race-equipped Catalina 22' skippered by an experienced racer? ----- Original Message ----- From: Saltm17@aol.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:01 PM Subject: Boom Bale/Vang for M17 I have a boom vang and I use it a lot when I race. It keeps the boom from lifting when on a run thus reducing effective sail area. It isn't necessary to have one on a M17 but I sometimes use it when recreational sailing (especially when "racing" Catalina 22s *L*), and I like to have it onboard as an emergency back up to the main sheet. John M Edwards Miss T M17 # 372
I was hoping you'd weigh in, Jerry, thanks! I guess I'm satisfied to know a 17' CAN beat a well-matched C22, even if only under ideal conditions. That's one heckuva accomplishment. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Montgomery To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:34 PM Subject: Catalina 22' I think a well-sailed, well-tuned Cat 22 is a touch faster than a 17, except in a real drifter or above about 20 knots of wind. They're close, tho. We made the tall rigged 17 primarily to beat the 22's, which it does! Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Honshells To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 4:23 PM Subject: Catalina 22' I've asked this before and I'm dying to know. Can an M17 REALLY outrun a Catalina 22' in a deliberate race? I would guess the Catalina has a longer waterline, lighter displacement for its waterline and deeper centerboard. The Catalina also has a racing pedigree. Could, for instance, Tom VanAtta and Jerry Montgomery in a properly equipped M17 outrun a race-equipped Catalina 22' skippered by an experienced racer? ----- Original Message ----- From: Saltm17@aol.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:01 PM Subject: Boom Bale/Vang for M17 I have a boom vang and I use it a lot when I race. It keeps the boom from lifting when on a run thus reducing effective sail area. It isn't necessary to have one on a M17 but I sometimes use it when recreational sailing (especially when "racing" Catalina 22s *L*), and I like to have it onboard as an emergency back up to the main sheet. John M Edwards Miss T M17 # 372
Here are the Portsmouth rating numbers for various boats. Lower number is faster. Montgomery 15 = 108.1 Montgomery 17 = 100.7 Montgomery 23 = 94.8 Catalina 22 = 96.5 Com Pac 16 = 108.7 Com Pac 19 = 107.3 Potter 15 = 138.1 Potter 19 = 105.5 (This is an old number) Sunfish = 99.7 Hobie 14 = 86.9 Ken Abrahams ----- Original Message ----- From: Honshells To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 4:23 PM Subject: M_Boats: Catalina 22' I've asked this before and I'm dying to know. Can an M17 REALLY outrun a Catalina 22' in a deliberate race? I would guess the Catalina has a longer waterline, lighter displacement for its waterline and deeper centerboard. The Catalina also has a racing pedigree. Could, for instance, Tom VanAtta and Jerry Montgomery in a properly equipped M17 outrun a race-equipped Catalina 22' skippered by an experienced racer? ----- Original Message ----- From: Saltm17@aol.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:01 PM Subject: Boom Bale/Vang for M17 I have a boom vang and I use it a lot when I race. It keeps the boom from lifting when on a run thus reducing effective sail area. It isn't necessary to have one on a M17 but I sometimes use it when recreational sailing (especially when "racing" Catalina 22s *L*), and I like to have it onboard as an emergency back up to the main sheet. John M Edwards Miss T M17 # 372
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