With thoughts towards the great NW next year, I wonder if I need a dinghy for my dimunitive-enough-as-it-is M15. What say? Do others use a dinghy for such locales with their M-15? If so, what are you using? With oars or motor(assume my 2hp can do double duty..) or both? Has anyone tried the newfangled Kaboats (strange, inflatable kayaks with a transom)? Am I any more out of my mind than usual to think I would need one? Blake M15 IOTA
for the 17 and 15 is suggest a kayak. limited speed hit when towing and easy to paddle. on my list for purchase ... sometime in the future. using your motor on a dinghy will increase your costs ... you must then get a registration for your dinghy as it becomes a 'powered vessel'. also the danger in that taking off the 15 to put on dinghy ... or reverse ... you turn motor into an anchor. dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Blake Reimer <blkreimer@yahoo.com> wrote: With thoughts towards the great NW next year, I wonder if I need a dinghy for my dimunitive-enough-as-it-is M15. What say? Do others use a dinghy for such locales with their M-15? If so, what are you using? With oars or motor(assume my 2hp can do double duty..) or both? Has anyone tried the newfangled Kaboats (strange, inflatable kayaks with a transom)? Am I any more out of my mind than usual to think I would need one? Blake M15 IOTA
Dinghy choice is almost as personal as the tow vehicle. If you can get by without one it makes the sailing more enjoyable. If you are in a group like the NW cruise you can always bum a ride when you are on the hook or a mooring. I took a hard dinghy on our group cruise in Maine because it we were not planning to stay at any Marina for two weeks and I like the ability to get up in the AM and do as I chose - wonderful trails and shoreline. If I am not sure I take my single person inflatable but it isn't good for carrying loads to and from shore but is very nice for cruising the shore line in the AM or PM. If I am just going for an overnite or two I gennerally don't take anything. I would forgo the thought of the engine swaping on the water. You are gennerally close enough to shore that it is an easy row or paddle. I am currently selling my 15' 6" Bolger Lite Dory and thinking of aquiring an East Port Pram. It is 7' 6" and might fit sideways in the cockpit while trailering and would fit in the back of the pickup for a quick trip to the lake for a short sail. When I cruise by myself for extended periods I much prefer the hard dinghy so that I can fish and just mess around. This does make crossing large bodies of water in strong winds a bit more worrisome. In genneral the hard dinghy is easier to get in and out of both at the boat and the beach. Howard Audesey built a nice dinghy - lets hear his report :-) Thanks Doug Kelch --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Blake Reimer <blkreimer@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Blake Reimer <blkreimer@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: I must be getting (a) dinghy?? To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 5:17 PM With thoughts towards the great NW next year, I wonder if I need a dinghy for my dimunitive-enough-as-it-is M15. What say? Do others use a dinghy for such locales with their M-15? If so, what are you using? With oars or motor(assume my 2hp can do double duty..) or both? Has anyone tried the newfangled Kaboats (strange, inflatable kayaks with a transom)? Am I any more out of my mind than usual to think I would need one? Blake M15 IOTA _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
On Aug 4, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Doug Kelch wrote:
Howard Audesey built a nice dinghy - lets hear his report :-)
Thanks
Doug Kelch
I am thinking an M15 IS a dinghy! It will sail in and out of anything, can be beached and will ferry at least 5 guys to the dock for dinner. This is the boat I built: http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/haudsley/Picture260.jpg http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/haudsley/Picture229-1.jpg Rows well. Sails well. Have not tried towing it with the M17 yet, but that is coming next week. At 10 feet, this one is too big to do anything with but tow it. It's very stable. You can stand up and walk around in it, so getting in and out is pretty easy. Some are really jumpy. This one doesn't seem to be, but even the worst of those can be handled with practice. Problems with towing hard boats.....aside from drag......seems to be when the weather pipes up and the tender either flips, fills with water (making it a good sea anchor), or it wants to run at different speeds than the main boat, in which case it can ram you. Some cures would be to put either an self bailer or drain plug above waterline to remove water from a swamped boat. To slow it down, you can drop a warp off the stern to create some drag, or something I've though of, but never used, rig a sort of towing harness. Years ago, we used these PVC tubes to tie up our boats to flooded trees for crappie fishing: http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/haudsley/Picture004.jpg http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/haudsley/Picture008-1.jpg The PVC pipe kept the boat a safe distance from the tree, so it wouldn't bang into it when boats passed, leaving us bobbing in the chop. Replace the loop with a line and snap shackle or clip and you have a way to fend the boat off. Rig two of them from the stern cleats and it's going to follow along at a safe distance. In really rough weather, keep a warp out off the stern and it won't slew around. One of the guys I sail with tows an injection moulded plastic dinghy (same material as hard kayaks). It is lighter than the boat I built and takes some serious abuse without complaint. It's an older, no name brand similar to the ones sold by West Marine. Jumpy....but rows well. Howard
For those who have been waiting with bated breath (and those with bait on their breath): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n_n_z77Y-A Bottom line is it tows well. Second half of that clip I was on a beam reach in enough wind for the occasional white cap. Full main and a 110% jib and now and then hitting 5.4 knots even towing a tender. What I failed to notice as I was shooting this was the squall line racing up from behind. If you look close, there is a group of 30 somethings following me. I heard later on that a Hunter 30 put her coach roof windows in the water on the first blast. Caught all of us flat footed. No time for rain coats or luxuries like that......I threw the camera forward and grabbed for hatch boards and just got them in when trouble arrived. I survived the first blast, and let out the main, she tried to round up until the wind caught the 110% jib and drug us back down, Which brought the main back into action and we rounded up again. So I let go all the sheets and the halyards and went forward to get the main down and control of the flogging jib. Five minutes later we were still in a downpour, but the wind had returned to normal so the sails went back up and we were off again. Wet, but still in one piece. Instinct let me down this time. Rather than than the main sheet, I should have first dropped the jib sheets and let those flog. She would have rounded up and stopped, or sailed on a beam reach to the new wind, which was about 30 degrees off from where it had been coming from. Any other ideas for flat footed squall survival tactics? On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Howard Audsley wrote:
On Aug 4, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Doug Kelch wrote:
Howard Audesey built a nice dinghy - lets hear his report :-)
Thanks
Doug Kelch
I am thinking an M15 IS a dinghy! It will sail in and out of anything, can be beached and will ferry at least 5 guys to the dock for dinner.
This is the boat I built:
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/haudsley/Picture260.jpg
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/haudsley/Picture229-1.jpg
Rows well. Sails well. Have not tried towing it with the M17 yet, but that is coming next week. At 10 feet, this one is too big to do anything with but tow it.
It's very stable. You can stand up and walk around in it, so getting in and out is pretty easy. Some are really jumpy. This one doesn't seem to be, but even the worst of those can be handled with practice.
Problems with towing hard boats.....aside from drag......seems to be when the weather pipes up and the tender either flips, fills with water (making it a good sea anchor), or it wants to run at different speeds than the main boat, in which case it can ram you.
Some cures would be to put either an self bailer or drain plug above waterline to remove water from a swamped boat. To slow it down, you can drop a warp off the stern to create some drag, or something I've though of, but never used, rig a sort of towing harness.
Years ago, we used these PVC tubes to tie up our boats to flooded trees for crappie fishing:
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/haudsley/Picture004.jpg
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/haudsley/Picture008-1.jpg
The PVC pipe kept the boat a safe distance from the tree, so it wouldn't bang into it when boats passed, leaving us bobbing in the chop.
Replace the loop with a line and snap shackle or clip and you have a way to fend the boat off. Rig two of them from the stern cleats and it's going to follow along at a safe distance. In really rough weather, keep a warp out off the stern and it won't slew around.
One of the guys I sail with tows an injection moulded plastic dinghy (same material as hard kayaks). It is lighter than the boat I built and takes some serious abuse without complaint. It's an older, no name brand similar to the ones sold by West Marine. Jumpy....but rows well.
Howard
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Sounds like you invented heaving-to. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Audsley" <haudsley@tranquility.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: I must be getting (a) dinghy??
For those who have been waiting with bated breath (and those with bait on their breath):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n_n_z77Y-A
Bottom line is it tows well. Second half of that clip I was on a beam reach in enough wind for the occasional white cap. Full main and a 110% jib and now and then hitting 5.4 knots even towing a tender.
What I failed to notice as I was shooting this was the squall line racing up from behind. If you look close, there is a group of 30 somethings following me. I heard later on that a Hunter 30 put her coach roof windows in the water on the first blast. Caught all of us flat footed. No time for rain coats or luxuries like that......I threw the camera forward and grabbed for hatch boards and just got them in when trouble arrived.
I survived the first blast, and let out the main, she tried to round up until the wind caught the 110% jib and drug us back down, Which brought the main back into action and we rounded up again. So I let go all the sheets and the halyards and went forward to get the main down and control of the flogging jib. Five minutes later we were still in a downpour, but the wind had returned to normal so the sails went back up and we were off again. Wet, but still in one piece.
Instinct let me down this time. Rather than than the main sheet, I should have first dropped the jib sheets and let those flog. She would have rounded up and stopped, or sailed on a beam reach to the new wind, which was about 30 degrees off from where it had been coming from.
Any other ideas for flat footed squall survival tactics?
On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Howard Audsley wrote:
On Aug 4, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Doug Kelch wrote:
Howard Audesey built a nice dinghy - lets hear his report :-)
Thanks
Doug Kelch
I am thinking an M15 IS a dinghy! It will sail in and out of anything, can be beached and will ferry at least 5 guys to the dock for dinner.
This is the boat I built:
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/haudsley/Picture260.jpg
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/haudsley/Picture229-1.jpg
Rows well. Sails well. Have not tried towing it with the M17 yet, but that is coming next week. At 10 feet, this one is too big to do anything with but tow it.
It's very stable. You can stand up and walk around in it, so getting in and out is pretty easy. Some are really jumpy. This one doesn't seem to be, but even the worst of those can be handled with practice.
Problems with towing hard boats.....aside from drag......seems to be when the weather pipes up and the tender either flips, fills with water (making it a good sea anchor), or it wants to run at different speeds than the main boat, in which case it can ram you.
Some cures would be to put either an self bailer or drain plug above waterline to remove water from a swamped boat. To slow it down, you can drop a warp off the stern to create some drag, or something I've though of, but never used, rig a sort of towing harness.
Years ago, we used these PVC tubes to tie up our boats to flooded trees for crappie fishing:
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/haudsley/Picture004.jpg
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/haudsley/Picture008-1.jpg
The PVC pipe kept the boat a safe distance from the tree, so it wouldn't bang into it when boats passed, leaving us bobbing in the chop.
Replace the loop with a line and snap shackle or clip and you have a way to fend the boat off. Rig two of them from the stern cleats and it's going to follow along at a safe distance. In really rough weather, keep a warp out off the stern and it won't slew around.
One of the guys I sail with tows an injection moulded plastic dinghy (same material as hard kayaks). It is lighter than the boat I built and takes some serious abuse without complaint. It's an older, no name brand similar to the ones sold by West Marine. Jumpy....but rows well.
Howard
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Howard, do you have a jib downhaul rigged? Given you only had 30 seconds or a minute, I'd a turned up some and dropped that baby like a rock. A reef would have been good too, but I personally can't tie one in in less than a minute or so, and that might not have been fast enough. I've sailed in some nasty stuff under main alone, and though it's not terribly efficient, it works pretty good for as long as you need to do it. After dropping the jib, I'd then go onto a broad reach, allow my spincter to thighen up, then prepare to loose the mainsheet and point up some. It's really a judgment call. t On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Howard Audsley <haudsley@tranquility.net>wrote:
For those who have been waiting with bated breath (and those with bait on their breath):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n_n_z77Y-A
Bottom line is it tows well. Second half of that clip I was on a beam reach in enough wind for the occasional white cap. Full main and a 110% jib and now and then hitting 5.4 knots even towing a tender.
What I failed to notice as I was shooting this was the squall line racing up from behind. If you look close, there is a group of 30 somethings following me. I heard later on that a Hunter 30 put her coach roof windows in the water on the first blast. Caught all of us flat footed. No time for rain coats or luxuries like that......I threw the camera forward and grabbed for hatch boards and just got them in when trouble arrived.
I survived the first blast, and let out the main, she tried to round up until the wind caught the 110% jib and drug us back down, Which brought the main back into action and we rounded up again. So I let go all the sheets and the halyards and went forward to get the main down and control of the flogging jib. Five minutes later we were still in a downpour, but the wind had returned to normal so the sails went back up and we were off again. Wet, but still in one piece.
Instinct let me down this time. Rather than than the main sheet, I should have first dropped the jib sheets and let those flog. She would have rounded up and stopped, or sailed on a beam reach to the new wind, which was about 30 degrees off from where it had been coming from.
Any other ideas for flat footed squall survival tactics?
On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Howard Audsley wrote:
On Aug 4, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Doug Kelch wrote:
Howard Audesey built a nice dinghy - lets hear his report :-)
Thanks
Doug Kelch
I am thinking an M15 IS a dinghy! It will sail in and out of anything, can be beached and will ferry at least 5 guys to the dock for dinner.
This is the boat I built:
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/haudsley/Picture260.jpg
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/haudsley/Picture229-1.jpg
Rows well. Sails well. Have not tried towing it with the M17 yet, but that is coming next week. At 10 feet, this one is too big to do anything with but tow it.
It's very stable. You can stand up and walk around in it, so getting in and out is pretty easy. Some are really jumpy. This one doesn't seem to be, but even the worst of those can be handled with practice.
Problems with towing hard boats.....aside from drag......seems to be when the weather pipes up and the tender either flips, fills with water (making it a good sea anchor), or it wants to run at different speeds than the main boat, in which case it can ram you.
Some cures would be to put either an self bailer or drain plug above waterline to remove water from a swamped boat. To slow it down, you can drop a warp off the stern to create some drag, or something I've though of, but never used, rig a sort of towing harness.
Years ago, we used these PVC tubes to tie up our boats to flooded trees for crappie fishing:
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/haudsley/Picture004.jpg
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/haudsley/Picture008-1.jpg
The PVC pipe kept the boat a safe distance from the tree, so it wouldn't bang into it when boats passed, leaving us bobbing in the chop.
Replace the loop with a line and snap shackle or clip and you have a way to fend the boat off. Rig two of them from the stern cleats and it's going to follow along at a safe distance. In really rough weather, keep a warp out off the stern and it won't slew around.
One of the guys I sail with tows an injection moulded plastic dinghy (same material as hard kayaks). It is lighter than the boat I built and takes some serious abuse without complaint. It's an older, no name brand similar to the ones sold by West Marine. Jumpy....but rows well.
Howard
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Tom: I have rigged a downhaul in the past, and still have the line and block for it. Perhaps my line is too small (I think 1/8"), but for whatever reason, I found it always got itself fouled on something and when I did try to use it, it would not work. So I stopped using it. What I've found is I can reach the halyards from the cockpit, and will let those go first......and if trouble still remains, let all the sheets fly and head to the foredeck. I'm not young, but still agile enough I can get up there like a bolting rabbit. If the boat is moving.......its always one hand for the boat and one hand for me. I'm always holding on to something until I can get down onto the deck, firmly wedged into the pulpit area. In a blow, it's amazing how much power is in even a small piece of sail when you are gathering it in. On the topic of rope and wire halyards, a benefit of the wires that may get overlooked is when you are dropping the sails, you can let those halyards fly if need be, without worry that they will run to the top. They stop when the splice hits the masthead, the ends still dangling somewhere near deck level. They might fly out at a 45 degree angle for a while, but they eventually come back. The flip side of that is you can never, ever let go of the wires when you are unclipping the halyards from the sails. The weight of the rope will drag them to the top of the mast, where they will stay until you drop the mast to retrieve them. On Aug 17, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Tom Smith wrote:
Howard, do you have a jib downhaul rigged? Given you only had 30 seconds or a minute, I'd a turned up some and dropped that baby like a rock. A reef would have been good too, but I personally can't tie one in in less than a minute or so, and that might not have been fast enough. I've sailed in some nasty stuff under main alone, and though it's not terribly efficient, it works pretty good for as long as you need to do it.
After dropping the jib, I'd then go onto a broad reach, allow my spincter to thighen up, then prepare to loose the mainsheet and point up some. It's really a judgment call. t
Yes, a downhaul can be a two edged sword for sure, Howard. I can't count the number of times I've hauled on the thing to discover after struggling, that I'm standing on the jib halyard. You know this I'm sure, but for those who might not, I attach the downhaul to the second, not the topmost hank. And tho some weave the line alternately down through the descending hanks, I weave only once then go directly to the block on deck. Both tactics minimize the chance of the luff hanging up on the way down. I run the downhaul through a couple fairleads back to the cockpit to help the line run, the last one at the coaming then up to a clam cleat. Yadda yadda yadda. I like wire and rope for the same reason you do, Howard. tom
Good approach on the downhaul, Tom. I used the same on my M15 and it was a must have, IMHO. --Gary ☺ ⎈ On Aug 18, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Tom Smith wrote:
Yes, a downhaul can be a two edged sword for sure, Howard. I can't count the number of times I've hauled on the thing to discover after struggling, that I'm standing on the jib halyard.
You know this I'm sure, but for those who might not, I attach the downhaul to the second, not the topmost hank. And tho some weave the line alternately down through the descending hanks, I weave only once then go directly to the block on deck. Both tactics minimize the chance of the luff hanging up on the way down. I run the downhaul through a couple fairleads back to the cockpit to help the line run, the last one at the coaming then up to a clam cleat. Yadda yadda yadda.
I like wire and rope for the same reason you do, Howard. tom _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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Blake Reimer wrote:
With thoughts towards the great NW next year, I wonder if I need a dinghy for my dimunitive-enough-as-it-is M15. What say? Do others use a dinghy for such locales with their M-15? If so, what are you using? With oars or motor(assume my 2hp can do double duty..) or both? Has anyone tried the newfangled Kaboats (strange, inflatable kayaks with a transom)? Am I any more out of my mind than usual to think I would need one?
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Hi Blake, Let me add some of my observations to those of Doug. A dinghy adds capability to your sailing. Suppose your wife want to stay on the boat moored at the dock and sleep / read / do some handiwork / or just have some quiet moments to herself, then she can stay on board while you climb into the dinghy, unlimber your oars, and go exploring / rowing / fishing / shopping / or visiting other sailors whose boats are at anchor. You are free to roam. Dinghy size is always a compromise: for good stability and large carrying capacity it should be large. But if it is large, then putting it on the roof of the car becomes very difficult; as you go smaller in dinghy size that becomes easier. I have played (lived with) a 9 foot round bottomed dinghy with dagger board and sail. It was too heavy and too much drag towing it behind our big sailboat doing 6 knots, so my answer was, go smaller. I found a semi-derelict Dyer Dhow 7'-9" low freeboard dinghy in West Hartford; bought it and rebuilt it. We used it for several seasons: it fit on the cabin top: but then found that with two adults and two teenagers on board the freeboard became so small, that if a motorboat came by and made even very small waves, we got wet. So, size was right but the freeboard wasn't. Then a neighbor sold me a small AVON inflatable dinghy. Ah, thought I, ...goodness..... When we make a passage, deflate the dinghy and put it in the forepeak. That worked; and even inflating it on deck and dropping it over the side worked very well. ......but, ..... rowing it was almost a total impossibility. The seating position was wrong; the oars too short; and if you had to row against a headwind and waves, forget about it..... So, we discovered that inflatables only work with an outboard motor - but, .... if the outboard refuses to run - then you are back to rowing....., see above. Then I went back to a hard dinghy and bought a new Dyer Dhow 7'-9" dinghy with sails and oars. This could be rowed, fully loaded, with four adults on board, against a headwind. We stayed with that solution until we sold our large sailboat and included the dinghy in the sale. For our M15, I built a Bolger NYMPH dinghy. It too was 7'-9" long; light weight; easily car-toppable; and great fun to row. When we were at Lake Champlain, mornings could be a flat calm till about 11 AM, when the breeze would start to pick up and sailing could begin. I used that early morning calm time to go rowing by the hour - flat waters - no power boats - interesting bird and animal activities along the lake shore, peace and quiet..... The problem with the NYMPH is that, as originally designed, it is a bit on the tippy side. You have to climb in and out very carefully, but once seated, it is a delightful dinghy. Phil Bolger later redesigned the NYMPH, I believe it is now called the FAT NYMPH - in that he added about 6" to the width of the boat. Think original NYMPH, then cut it straight down the middle and add the 6" addition. This adds greatly to it's stability and to it's carrying capacity. We only used it for two people: our old family crew have long ago departed, and live far away I have towed the NYMPH behind out M15 for many a mile, and was very happy with the performance. Connie ex M15 #400 LEPPO
On Aug 4, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Conbert H. Benneck wrote:
Phil Bolger later redesigned the NYMPH, I believe it is now called the FAT NYMPH - in that he added about 6" to the width of the boat. Think original NYMPH, then cut it straight down the middle and add the 6" addition. This adds greatly to it's stability and to it's carrying capacity.
I guess people no longer "got" the Rubens reference (i.e. RUBENS NYMPH)? I guess I *am* getting old Rachel Former owner, M-17 #334 and M-15 #517 Still have Fatty Knees 7 though :)
Rachel wrote:
On Aug 4, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Conbert H. Benneck wrote:
Phil Bolger later redesigned the NYMPH, I believe it is now called the FAT NYMPH - in that he added about 6" to the width of the boat. Think original NYMPH, then cut it straight down the middle and add the 6" addition. This adds greatly to it's stability and to it's carrying capacity.
I guess people no longer "got" the Rubens reference (i.e. RUBENS NYMPH)? I guess I *am* getting old
Rachel Former owner, M-17 #334 and M-15 #517 Still have Fatty Knees 7 though :)
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Ah, yes, Rachel, My memory failed me. You aren't getting old, .....I am. It is now called the "RUEBEN NYMPH" and contrary to my original statement, the RUEBEN NYMPH is _*12" wider*_ than the original NYMPH, not the 6" as I stated. That must make it a very stable and pleasant dinghy to use. Connie
On Aug 4, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Conbert H. Benneck wrote:
Ah, yes, Rachel,
My memory failed me. You aren't getting old, .....I am. It is now called the "RUEBEN NYMPH" and contrary to my original statement, the RUEBEN NYMPH is _*12" wider*_ than the original NYMPH, not the 6" as I stated.
Ah so. Although "Fat Nymph" did have a certain charm to it. You may be older than I am, but you still sound like the same Connie I "met" 12 years or so ago on this mailing list :) I don't know if anyone can spin a (true) sailing tale as well as you can. Rachel Ex-M's Fatty Knees 7' (to stay in the Hess family)
Blake, Of course a 17 is larger, but we are able to inflate and deflate our Sevylor Tahiti kayak (about 10' long) crossways in our cockpit. We can transport (with one oar) two adults and a dog if the waves are not large (have not tried anything radical), but alone I have been able to navigate some rough conditions in the open ocean. If you don't need to pull up on a beach, of course, the 15 seems pretty happy docking in shallow water. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blake Reimer" <blkreimer@yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:17 PM Subject: M_Boats: I must be getting (a) dinghy?? With thoughts towards the great NW next year, I wonder if I need a dinghy for my dimunitive-enough-as-it-is M15. What say? Do others use a dinghy for such locales with their M-15? If so, what are you using? With oars or motor(assume my 2hp can do double duty..) or both? Has anyone tried the newfangled Kaboats (strange, inflatable kayaks with a transom)? Am I any more out of my mind than usual to think I would need one? Blake M15 IOTA _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
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