Thanks for this insight, Jerry. It's always nice to have the historical details. I'll go forward with the hex heads and see how much knuckle I skin. The gorilla tape is a great suggestion ( it just so happens I keep some in the boat anyway!). Had to chuckle at the windage point. I suppose attention to details like that is why you win races. With my new sails I'm hoping to outrun the Rhodes 19 ( it's already close and I don't have a Genoa yet) so if I get slower instead, I'll know what to blame :-P Dan Farrell M17 #301 jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
We used round heads whenever practical for several reasons, the biggest being that you are less likely to snag yourself on them when struggling to get somewhere else on the boat in heavy seas. Most would agree that they look a little better, and they are cleaner, with less weight and windage. Some of these are admittedly picky things. Another reason that matters to some of us is that when racing in a drifter, we use 3/16 or 1/4 sheets, and these can snag on HH bolts.
None of these are big deals, and don't be afraid of HH's. Use Gorilla tape to hold the wrench in place!
-----Original Message----- From: Bob Eeg Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 6:33 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Why not hex head bolts?
Dan Hex head stainless bolts, stainless washers and stainless aircraft lock nuts are all we use. Go ahead and upgrade.
I am guessing round head slotted bolts are not standard and someone the last 35 years probably swapped out hardware and rebedded your chain plates.
Be well Bob Montgomery Boats. 949-489-8227
When I used to go back packing I would cut off the NON-bristle ends of the tooth brushes and leave them behind. On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 7:04 AM, Dan Farrell <msog@danf.us> wrote:
Thanks for this insight, Jerry. It's always nice to have the historical details. I'll go forward with the hex heads and see how much knuckle I skin. The gorilla tape is a great suggestion ( it just so happens I keep some in the boat anyway!).
Had to chuckle at the windage point. I suppose attention to details like that is why you win races. With my new sails I'm hoping to outrun the Rhodes 19 ( it's already close and I don't have a Genoa yet) so if I get slower instead, I'll know what to blame :-P
Dan Farrell M17 #301
jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
We used round heads whenever practical for several reasons, the biggest being that you are less likely to snag yourself on them when struggling to get somewhere else on the boat in heavy seas. Most would agree that they look a little better, and they are cleaner, with less weight and windage. Some of these are admittedly picky things. Another reason that matters to some of us is that when racing in a drifter, we use 3/16 or 1/4 sheets, and these can snag on HH bolts.
None of these are big deals, and don't be afraid of HH's. Use Gorilla tape to hold the wrench in place!
-----Original Message----- From: Bob Eeg Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 6:33 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Why not hex head bolts?
Dan Hex head stainless bolts, stainless washers and stainless aircraft lock nuts are all we use. Go ahead and upgrade.
I am guessing round head slotted bolts are not standard and someone the last 35 years probably swapped out hardware and rebedded your chain plates.
Be well Bob Montgomery Boats. 949-489-8227
I think the attention to detail is what makes M boats good overall... something like the choice of bolt heads doesn't make a huge difference by itself, but when the same attitude is applied to every detail of a boat, it makes an enormous difference. I learned to sail on a 1974 Catalina 22 I got on craigslist for $800. There were sharp exposed bolts on the cabin roof, and the deck everywhere... and I figured getting cut and bleeding all over the deck, and unsnagging sheets several times a day was a normal part of sailing, to be expected. It never happened once after switching to the M15, and I feel stupid for not just swapping out all the bolts. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Farrell" <msog@danf.us> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 5:04:46 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Why not hex head bolts? Thanks for this insight, Jerry. It's always nice to have the historical details. I'll go forward with the hex heads and see how much knuckle I skin. The gorilla tape is a great suggestion ( it just so happens I keep some in the boat anyway!). Had to chuckle at the windage point. I suppose attention to details like that is why you win races. With my new sails I'm hoping to outrun the Rhodes 19 ( it's already close and I don't have a Genoa yet) so if I get slower instead, I'll know what to blame :-P Dan Farrell M17 #301 jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
We used round heads whenever practical for several reasons, the biggest being that you are less likely to snag yourself on them when struggling to get somewhere else on the boat in heavy seas. Most would agree that they look a little better, and they are cleaner, with less weight and windage. Some of these are admittedly picky things. Another reason that matters to some of us is that when racing in a drifter, we use 3/16 or 1/4 sheets, and these can snag on HH bolts.
None of these are big deals, and don't be afraid of HH's. Use Gorilla tape to hold the wrench in place!
-----Original Message----- From: Bob Eeg Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 6:33 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Why not hex head bolts?
Dan Hex head stainless bolts, stainless washers and stainless aircraft lock nuts are all we use. Go ahead and upgrade.
I am guessing round head slotted bolts are not standard and someone the last 35 years probably swapped out hardware and rebedded your chain plates.
Be well Bob Montgomery Boats. 949-489-8227
The nuts in the headliner in my M17 cabin worried me. Scalp wounds bleed profusely. I tried getting some felt furniture sliders and punched a hole in the center of them just large enough to fit over the nut. The adhesive on the pads holds them in place and the felt protects your head. Clean the surface with alcohol before applying the pads. On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 12:02 PM, <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I think the attention to detail is what makes M boats good overall... something like the choice of bolt heads doesn't make a huge difference by itself, but when the same attitude is applied to every detail of a boat, it makes an enormous difference.
I learned to sail on a 1974 Catalina 22 I got on craigslist for $800. There were sharp exposed bolts on the cabin roof, and the deck everywhere... and I figured getting cut and bleeding all over the deck, and unsnagging sheets several times a day was a normal part of sailing, to be expected. It never happened once after switching to the M15, and I feel stupid for not just swapping out all the bolts.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Farrell" <msog@danf.us> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 5:04:46 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Why not hex head bolts?
Thanks for this insight, Jerry. It's always nice to have the historical details. I'll go forward with the hex heads and see how much knuckle I skin. The gorilla tape is a great suggestion ( it just so happens I keep some in the boat anyway!).
Had to chuckle at the windage point. I suppose attention to details like that is why you win races. With my new sails I'm hoping to outrun the Rhodes 19 ( it's already close and I don't have a Genoa yet) so if I get slower instead, I'll know what to blame :-P
Dan Farrell M17 #301
jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
We used round heads whenever practical for several reasons, the biggest being that you are less likely to snag yourself on them when struggling to get somewhere else on the boat in heavy seas. Most would agree that they look a little better, and they are cleaner, with less weight and windage. Some of these are admittedly picky things. Another reason that matters to some of us is that when racing in a drifter, we use 3/16 or 1/4 sheets, and these can snag on HH bolts.
None of these are big deals, and don't be afraid of HH's. Use Gorilla tape to hold the wrench in place!
-----Original Message----- From: Bob Eeg Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 6:33 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Why not hex head bolts?
Dan Hex head stainless bolts, stainless washers and stainless aircraft lock nuts are all we use. Go ahead and upgrade.
I am guessing round head slotted bolts are not standard and someone the last 35 years probably swapped out hardware and rebedded your chain plates.
Be well Bob Montgomery Boats. 949-489-8227
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