Hello All, Two quick questions: 1. I am adding a cushion to the 'empty' spot in front of the porta-potty. I would like the fabric to match the rest of the cushions. On my 2007 M-15, the fabric is plum/dark burgundy in color. Can someone tell me where I can source the same, of similar fabric? 1. I removed all wood trim this winter for a thorough cleaning and refinish. I am about ready to reinstall and understand that one is 'supposed' to use a marine-grade (white) silicon as a sealant. When using the sealant, is there a trick to ensure not too much oozes out and thereby stains the newly finished wood and surrounding surfaces? I have used silicone sealants around the house, and am familiar with their composition. Is it as simple as not applying too much, or does one use painters tape to mask/protect, or other tricks? Regards, Ernie
Ernie: The fabric is likely Sunbrella. Either contact a local canvas shop or reach out to Sailrite.com DON'T use silicone!!! (Only one place silicone is used and not never no no no for deck hardware.) Use Sikaflex 291 or 3M 4000/4200 (not 5200!). The better is the _black_ Sikaflex as it sticks better to teak than than the white. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Tue, Feb 22, 2022, 3:50 PM Ernst van Gulijk <Ernst@nteglobal.com> wrote:
Hello All,
Two quick questions:
1. I am adding a cushion to the 'empty' spot in front of the porta-potty. I would like the fabric to match the rest of the cushions. On my 2007 M-15, the fabric is plum/dark burgundy in color. Can someone tell me where I can source the same, of similar fabric?
1. I removed all wood trim this winter for a thorough cleaning and refinish. I am about ready to reinstall and understand that one is 'supposed' to use a marine-grade (white) silicon as a sealant. When using the sealant, is there a trick to ensure not too much oozes out and thereby stains the newly finished wood and surrounding surfaces? I have used silicone sealants around the house, and am familiar with their composition. Is it as simple as not applying too much, or does one use painters tape to mask/protect, or other tricks?
Regards,
Ernie
Yeah. In 2007 I had a guy named Peter do the cushions. He did a great job and had a proper work station with sewing machines. Outstanding quality. I had a standard Green, Maroon, Blue, etc, and would buy Peter these giant rolls (not sunbrella) and pay for upgrading the foam density. Sadly Peter aged out and died at 92. But his son continues, doing upholstery for chairs, couches, custom cushions for motor homes and such. On the 15 we supplied that extra cushion for the top of the board over the porta potti area and that particular “board” would lift out and one could Spin around and use it for a privacy barrier for privacy (it fits perfectly into the slots for the companionway on the 15) (give credit to Jerry for that idea) you can use that board as a pattern for the missing cushion. Silicon..? No never. Where do these rumors start..? .hahahaha. Also Never 5200. We used Boatlife Caulk or 4200. Per Dave’s advice. There is NO PLACE for silicon for Bote bedding. Be Well Bob Eeg. Sent from my iPad
On Feb 23, 2022, at 5:58 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote: Ernie:
The fabric is likely Sunbrella. Either contact a local canvas shop or reach out to Sailrite.com
DON'T use silicone!!! (Only one place silicone is used and not never no no no for deck hardware.) Use Sikaflex 291 or 3M 4000/4200 (not 5200!). The better is the _black_ Sikaflex as it sticks better to teak than than the white.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 22, 2022, 3:50 PM Ernst van Gulijk <Ernst@nteglobal.com> wrote:
Hello All,
Two quick questions:
1. I am adding a cushion to the 'empty' spot in front of the porta-potty. I would like the fabric to match the rest of the cushions. On my 2007 M-15, the fabric is plum/dark burgundy in color. Can someone tell me where I can source the same, of similar fabric?
1. I removed all wood trim this winter for a thorough cleaning and refinish. I am about ready to reinstall and understand that one is 'supposed' to use a marine-grade (white) silicon as a sealant. When using the sealant, is there a trick to ensure not too much oozes out and thereby stains the newly finished wood and surrounding surfaces? I have used silicone sealants around the house, and am familiar with their composition. Is it as simple as not applying too much, or does one use painters tape to mask/protect, or other tricks?
Regards,
Ernie
On 2/22/22 17:30, Bob Eeg wrote: ...
Silicon..? No never. Where do these rumors start..? .hahahaha. Also Never 5200. We used Boatlife Caulk or 4200. Per Dave’s advice. There is NO PLACE for silicon for Bote bedding. Be Well Bob Eeg.
No silicone (or silicon, for that matter :-) is probably clear by now... 5200 is forever, an adhesive not just a sealant, so don't use that if you ever want to remove something again without breaking it 4200 is not forever, but if you do ever want to take the item off again you will probably not enjoy it. Your other option is to use butyl tape. Easy on, easy off. Relative to the other options anyhow. Everything on my M17 that's bedded, is bedded with butyl tape. Zero leaks at any thru-deck hardware, or wood trim, even when it sits untarped in coastal Oregon winter rain. The old best online resource for this now has a new location, I see: https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/ (You don't have to buy the tape they sell, any good quality marine butyl tape will do). Sailrite also has a video on it, here: https://www.sailrite.com/Butyl-Tape-Bedding-Deck-Hardware-Sealant-Video-Demo You only need to put small beads of it around the fastener areas. Chamfer the hole a bit as both sources indicate. No need to cover the whole underside (though you can if you want...just uses a lot more butyl). As mentioned in the article it may continue to conform to the surface under the tightening pressure and ooze out here and there at the edges for days after installation. It's easy to take a small scraping tool of whatever kind you prefer and trim/scrape that away every so often until it stops. It's kind of like Silly Putty, or that stick-a-poster-to-the-wall putty. Trim off the oozing bits and rub with a finger and it will roll up in a ball and not make a mess. cheers, John
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 23, 2022, at 5:58 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote: Ernie:
The fabric is likely Sunbrella. Either contact a local canvas shop or reach out to Sailrite.com
DON'T use silicone!!! (Only one place silicone is used and not never no no no for deck hardware.) Use Sikaflex 291 or 3M 4000/4200 (not 5200!). The better is the _black_ Sikaflex as it sticks better to teak than than the white.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 22, 2022, 3:50 PM Ernst van Gulijk <Ernst@nteglobal.com> wrote:
Hello All,
Two quick questions:
1. I am adding a cushion to the 'empty' spot in front of the porta-potty. I would like the fabric to match the rest of the cushions. On my 2007 M-15, the fabric is plum/dark burgundy in color. Can someone tell me where I can source the same, of similar fabric?
1. I removed all wood trim this winter for a thorough cleaning and refinish. I am about ready to reinstall and understand that one is 'supposed' to use a marine-grade (white) silicon as a sealant. When using the sealant, is there a trick to ensure not too much oozes out and thereby stains the newly finished wood and surrounding surfaces? I have used silicone sealants around the house, and am familiar with their composition. Is it as simple as not applying too much, or does one use painters tape to mask/protect, or other tricks?
Regards,
Ernie
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Another vote for butyl tape. Great stuff. So easy to work with. All hardware on my SCAMP is bedded with it.
On Feb 22, 2022, at 7:24 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
On 2/22/22 17:30, Bob Eeg wrote: ...
Silicon..? No never. Where do these rumors start..? .hahahaha. Also Never 5200. We used Boatlife Caulk or 4200. Per Dave’s advice. There is NO PLACE for silicon for Bote bedding. Be Well Bob Eeg.
No silicone (or silicon, for that matter :-) is probably clear by now...
5200 is forever, an adhesive not just a sealant, so don't use that if you ever want to remove something again without breaking it
4200 is not forever, but if you do ever want to take the item off again you will probably not enjoy it.
Your other option is to use butyl tape. Easy on, easy off. Relative to the other options anyhow. Everything on my M17 that's bedded, is bedded with butyl tape. Zero leaks at any thru-deck hardware, or wood trim, even when it sits untarped in coastal Oregon winter rain.
The old best online resource for this now has a new location, I see: https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/ (You don't have to buy the tape they sell, any good quality marine butyl tape will do).
Sailrite also has a video on it, here: https://www.sailrite.com/Butyl-Tape-Bedding-Deck-Hardware-Sealant-Video-Demo
You only need to put small beads of it around the fastener areas. Chamfer the hole a bit as both sources indicate. No need to cover the whole underside (though you can if you want...just uses a lot more butyl).
As mentioned in the article it may continue to conform to the surface under the tightening pressure and ooze out here and there at the edges for days after installation. It's easy to take a small scraping tool of whatever kind you prefer and trim/scrape that away every so often until it stops. It's kind of like Silly Putty, or that stick-a-poster-to-the-wall putty. Trim off the oozing bits and rub with a finger and it will roll up in a ball and not make a mess.
cheers, John
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 23, 2022, at 5:58 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote: Ernie:
The fabric is likely Sunbrella. Either contact a local canvas shop or reach out to Sailrite.com
DON'T use silicone!!! (Only one place silicone is used and not never no no no for deck hardware.) Use Sikaflex 291 or 3M 4000/4200 (not 5200!). The better is the _black_ Sikaflex as it sticks better to teak than than the white.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 22, 2022, 3:50 PM Ernst van Gulijk <Ernst@nteglobal.com> wrote:
Hello All,
Two quick questions:
1. I am adding a cushion to the 'empty' spot in front of the porta-potty. I would like the fabric to match the rest of the cushions. On my 2007 M-15, the fabric is plum/dark burgundy in color. Can someone tell me where I can source the same, of similar fabric?
1. I removed all wood trim this winter for a thorough cleaning and refinish. I am about ready to reinstall and understand that one is 'supposed' to use a marine-grade (white) silicon as a sealant. When using the sealant, is there a trick to ensure not too much oozes out and thereby stains the newly finished wood and surrounding surfaces? I have used silicone sealants around the house, and am familiar with their composition. Is it as simple as not applying too much, or does one use painters tape to mask/protect, or other tricks?
Regards,
Ernie
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Thank you all for your input. Greatly appreciated! -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 9:43 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Cushion fabric & silicone questions Another vote for butyl tape. Great stuff. So easy to work with. All hardware on my SCAMP is bedded with it.
On Feb 22, 2022, at 7:24 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
On 2/22/22 17:30, Bob Eeg wrote: ...
Silicon..? No never. Where do these rumors start..? .hahahaha. Also Never 5200. We used Boatlife Caulk or 4200. Per Dave’s advice. There is NO PLACE for silicon for Bote bedding. Be Well Bob Eeg.
No silicone (or silicon, for that matter :-) is probably clear by now...
5200 is forever, an adhesive not just a sealant, so don't use that if you ever want to remove something again without breaking it
4200 is not forever, but if you do ever want to take the item off again you will probably not enjoy it.
Your other option is to use butyl tape. Easy on, easy off. Relative to the other options anyhow. Everything on my M17 that's bedded, is bedded with butyl tape. Zero leaks at any thru-deck hardware, or wood trim, even when it sits untarped in coastal Oregon winter rain.
The old best online resource for this now has a new location, I see: https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmari nehowto.com%2Fbed-it-tape%2F&data=04%7C01%7CErnst%40nteglobal.com% 7C95590b05a3814b46f20c08d9f67eb8b9%7Ca433be3d5ba04873a173a72aee7c225d% 7C0%7C0%7C637811846401879659%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwM DAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=KUQ lTY7EXFW70aUihq70HVaPijiT2%2F0DSHxDO9zXlSw%3D&reserved=0 (You don't have to buy the tape they sell, any good quality marine butyl tape will do).
Sailrite also has a video on it, here: https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. sailrite.com%2FButyl-Tape-Bedding-Deck-Hardware-Sealant-Video-Demo& ;data=04%7C01%7CErnst%40nteglobal.com%7C95590b05a3814b46f20c08d9f67eb8 b9%7Ca433be3d5ba04873a173a72aee7c225d%7C0%7C0%7C637811846401879659%7CU nknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1ha WwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=Ow0WVmRKuZACkb70PdpunvGbG%2Bqi%2FmF uMc%2B1FC%2BO3MI%3D&reserved=0
You only need to put small beads of it around the fastener areas. Chamfer the hole a bit as both sources indicate. No need to cover the whole underside (though you can if you want...just uses a lot more butyl).
As mentioned in the article it may continue to conform to the surface under the tightening pressure and ooze out here and there at the edges for days after installation. It's easy to take a small scraping tool of whatever kind you prefer and trim/scrape that away every so often until it stops. It's kind of like Silly Putty, or that stick-a-poster-to-the-wall putty. Trim off the oozing bits and rub with a finger and it will roll up in a ball and not make a mess.
cheers, John
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 23, 2022, at 5:58 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote: Ernie:
The fabric is likely Sunbrella. Either contact a local canvas shop or reach out to Sailrite.com
DON'T use silicone!!! (Only one place silicone is used and not never no no no for deck hardware.) Use Sikaflex 291 or 3M 4000/4200 (not 5200!). The better is the _black_ Sikaflex as it sticks better to teak than than the white.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 22, 2022, 3:50 PM Ernst van Gulijk <Ernst@nteglobal.com> wrote:
Hello All,
Two quick questions:
1. I am adding a cushion to the 'empty' spot in front of the porta-potty. I would like the fabric to match the rest of the cushions. On my 2007 M-15, the fabric is plum/dark burgundy in color. Can someone tell me where I can source the same, of similar fabric?
1. I removed all wood trim this winter for a thorough cleaning and refinish. I am about ready to reinstall and understand that one is 'supposed' to use a marine-grade (white) silicon as a sealant. When using the sealant, is there a trick to ensure not too much oozes out and thereby stains the newly finished wood and surrounding surfaces? I have used silicone sealants around the house, and am familiar with their composition. Is it as simple as not applying too much, or does one use painters tape to mask/protect, or other tricks?
Regards,
Ernie
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Feco-l iving.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7CErnst%40nteglobal.com%7C95590b05a3814b 46f20c08d9f67eb8b9%7Ca433be3d5ba04873a173a72aee7c225d%7C0%7C0%7C637811 846401879659%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luM zIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=eUItnjkaait864Xrk0C uTJL408faxcPQuASSd1j9jKs%3D&reserved=0 https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsocio cracyconsulting.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7CErnst%40nteglobal.com%7C9559 0b05a3814b46f20c08d9f67eb8b9%7Ca433be3d5ba04873a173a72aee7c225d%7C0%7C 0%7C637811846401879659%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJ QIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=QNWtqWrzc h0cnJYS39Nn%2BdNxGUG8o5gsS%2FMrxV%2FTQCM%3D&reserved=0
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