Randy, If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still her name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller furling has since been removed. If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able to share. I'm curious about her history. Or maybe just a coincidence? Dan Farrell M17 #301 Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote:
On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right direction. I used a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not bind on anything. No problems. Randy Sommerfeld No Worries
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From: George Iemmolo Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
John On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the deck up along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease to a jam cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to assist the line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the furling line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led aft also.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you route your furling line? Pictures appreciate if available.
And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that would make it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip over, etc.).
thanks, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Maybe I should explain that I have had 2 two M17, first one was a 1979 which did not have a roller furling. My current M17 which I purchased new from Bob in 2010 and put on the roller furling. Both boats were named No Worries, I am not very creative. I bought my first M17 from Crows Nest yachts in Woodbury MN in the early 1990’s, sailed on Lake Menomin, Lake Pepin and once on Lake Superior. Moved on to bigger boats, but missed it, so told myself that if I can ever afford to buy a nother one I would. So in 2009 I ordered it and drove out to California and pulled it back to Wisconsin in August of 2010, pictured below That would be awesome to see my first M17 again, a of lot fond memories sailing with the family. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dan Farrell Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:38 AM To: Msog List Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17 Randy, If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still her name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller furling has since been removed. If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able to share. I'm curious about her history. Or maybe just a coincidence? Dan Farrell M17 #301 Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote:
On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right direction. I used a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not bind on anything. No problems. Randy Sommerfeld No Worries
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From: George Iemmolo Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
John On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the deck up along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease to a jam cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to assist the line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the furling line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led aft also.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you route your furling line? Pictures appreciate if available.
And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that would make it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip over, etc.).
thanks, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
John Just pulled my M15 out of the garage to get it ready for splash mid May and noticed that I had used 4 eye straps to lead the furling line aft. I forgot the one just ahead of the jam cleat on the starboard side cabin roof. George 96 M15 #602 Merry Helen II George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com
wrote:
Maybe I should explain that I have had 2 two M17, first one was a 1979 which did not have a roller furling. My current M17 which I purchased new from Bob in 2010 and put on the roller furling. Both boats were named No Worries, I am not very creative.
I bought my first M17 from Crows Nest yachts in Woodbury MN in the early 1990’s, sailed on Lake Menomin, Lake Pepin and once on Lake Superior. Moved on to bigger boats, but missed it, so told myself that if I can ever afford to buy a nother one I would. So in 2009 I ordered it and drove out to California and pulled it back to Wisconsin in August of 2010, pictured below
That would be awesome to see my first M17 again, a of lot fond memories sailing with the family.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Dan Farrell Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:38 AM To: Msog List Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
Randy,
If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still her name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller furling has since been removed.
If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able to share. I'm curious about her history.
Or maybe just a coincidence?
Dan Farrell M17 #301
Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote:
On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right direction. I used a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not bind on anything. No problems. Randy Sommerfeld No Worries
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From: George Iemmolo Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
John On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the deck up along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease to a jam cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to assist the line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the furling line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led aft also.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you route your furling line? Pictures appreciate if available.
And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that would make it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip over, etc.).
thanks, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Thanks George & others who replied...I was contemplating a similar routing I think. Quick question, in absence of pics: Do your furling lines run outboard, or inboard, of the cabin-top handrail (assuming you have one)? thanks, John S. On 04/24/2018 02:19 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
John
Just pulled my M15 out of the garage to get it ready for splash mid May and noticed that I had used 4 eye straps to lead the furling line aft. I forgot the one just ahead of the jam cleat on the starboard side cabin roof.
George 96 M15 #602 Merry Helen II
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com
wrote:
Maybe I should explain that I have had 2 two M17, first one was a 1979 which did not have a roller furling. My current M17 which I purchased new from Bob in 2010 and put on the roller furling. Both boats were named No Worries, I am not very creative.
I bought my first M17 from Crows Nest yachts in Woodbury MN in the early 1990’s, sailed on Lake Menomin, Lake Pepin and once on Lake Superior. Moved on to bigger boats, but missed it, so told myself that if I can ever afford to buy a nother one I would. So in 2009 I ordered it and drove out to California and pulled it back to Wisconsin in August of 2010, pictured below
That would be awesome to see my first M17 again, a of lot fond memories sailing with the family.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Dan Farrell Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:38 AM To: Msog List Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
Randy,
If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still her name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller furling has since been removed.
If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able to share. I'm curious about her history.
Or maybe just a coincidence?
Dan Farrell M17 #301
Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote:
On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right direction. I used a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not bind on anything. No problems. Randy Sommerfeld No Worries
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From: George Iemmolo Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
John On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the deck up along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease to a jam cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to assist the line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the furling line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led aft also.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you route your furling line? Pictures appreciate if available.
And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that would make it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip over, etc.).
thanks, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
John Mine is outboard on the edge of the cabin top where there is a slight crease. for the line to lay in. George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:31 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks George & others who replied...I was contemplating a similar routing I think. Quick question, in absence of pics:
Do your furling lines run outboard, or inboard, of the cabin-top handrail (assuming you have one)?
thanks, John S.
On 04/24/2018 02:19 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
John
Just pulled my M15 out of the garage to get it ready for splash mid May and noticed that I had used 4 eye straps to lead the furling line aft. I forgot the one just ahead of the jam cleat on the starboard side cabin roof.
George 96 M15 #602 Merry Helen II
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Randy Sommerfeld < sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com
wrote:
Maybe I should explain that I have had 2 two M17, first one was a 1979
which did not have a roller furling. My current M17 which I purchased new from Bob in 2010 and put on the roller furling. Both boats were named No Worries, I am not very creative.
I bought my first M17 from Crows Nest yachts in Woodbury MN in the early 1990’s, sailed on Lake Menomin, Lake Pepin and once on Lake Superior. Moved on to bigger boats, but missed it, so told myself that if I can ever afford to buy a nother one I would. So in 2009 I ordered it and drove out to California and pulled it back to Wisconsin in August of 2010, pictured below
That would be awesome to see my first M17 again, a of lot fond memories sailing with the family.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Dan Farrell Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:38 AM To: Msog List Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
Randy,
If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still her name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller furling has since been removed.
If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able to share. I'm curious about her history.
Or maybe just a coincidence?
Dan Farrell M17 #301
Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote:
On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port
side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right direction. I used a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not bind on anything. No problems.
Randy Sommerfeld No Worries
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From: George Iemmolo Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
John On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the deck up along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease to a jam cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to assist the line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the furling line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led aft also.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you route
your
furling line? Pictures appreciate if available.
And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that would
make
it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip over,
etc.).
thanks, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Here's a picture of my layout on CornDog. I routed it tight along the toe rail so it's not underfoot. Works very well. Perhaps not clear in the picture is that there is a fairlead on the pulpit which guides the line directly into the furler. Small blocks guide it along the toe rail, and it is cleated in a cam cleat on top of the coaming. On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:05 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
John
Mine is outboard on the edge of the cabin top where there is a slight crease. for the line to lay in.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:31 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks George & others who replied...I was contemplating a similar routing I think. Quick question, in absence of pics:
Do your furling lines run outboard, or inboard, of the cabin-top handrail (assuming you have one)?
thanks, John S.
On 04/24/2018 02:19 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
John
Just pulled my M15 out of the garage to get it ready for splash mid May and noticed that I had used 4 eye straps to lead the furling line aft. I forgot the one just ahead of the jam cleat on the starboard side cabin roof.
George 96 M15 #602 Merry Helen II
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Randy Sommerfeld < sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com
wrote:
Maybe I should explain that I have had 2 two M17, first one was a 1979
which did not have a roller furling. My current M17 which I purchased new from Bob in 2010 and put on the roller furling. Both boats were named No Worries, I am not very creative.
I bought my first M17 from Crows Nest yachts in Woodbury MN in the early 1990’s, sailed on Lake Menomin, Lake Pepin and once on Lake Superior. Moved on to bigger boats, but missed it, so told myself that if I can ever afford to buy a nother one I would. So in 2009 I ordered it and drove out to California and pulled it back to Wisconsin in August of 2010, pictured below
That would be awesome to see my first M17 again, a of lot fond memories sailing with the family.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Dan Farrell Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:38 AM To: Msog List Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
Randy,
If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still her name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller furling has since been removed.
If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able to share. I'm curious about her history.
Or maybe just a coincidence?
Dan Farrell M17 #301
Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote:
On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port
side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right direction. I used a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not bind on anything. No problems.
Randy Sommerfeld No Worries
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: George Iemmolo Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
John On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the deck up along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease to a jam cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to assist the line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the furling line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led aft also.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer < john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you route
your
furling line? Pictures appreciate if available.
And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that would
make
it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip over,
etc.).
thanks, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Thanks Larry! Also a nice way to run it, I have thought about along the toe rail also. I can just make out the fairlead on the pulpit. Mainly I'm not keen on having a cleat on top of coaming; I could put it on the outer face of coaming but the reach/release might be awkward. I will probably mock up these various options and see what suits my boat best. cheers, john S. On 04/24/2018 05:41 PM, Larry Yake wrote:
Here's a picture of my layout on CornDog. I routed it tight along the toe rail so it's not underfoot. Works very well. Perhaps not clear in the picture is that there is a fairlead on the pulpit which guides the line directly into the furler. Small blocks guide it along the toe rail, and it is cleated in a cam cleat on top of the coaming.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:05 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
John
Mine is outboard on the edge of the cabin top where there is a slight crease. for the line to lay in.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:31 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks George & others who replied...I was contemplating a similar routing I think. Quick question, in absence of pics:
Do your furling lines run outboard, or inboard, of the cabin-top handrail (assuming you have one)?
thanks, John S.
On 04/24/2018 02:19 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
John
Just pulled my M15 out of the garage to get it ready for splash mid May and noticed that I had used 4 eye straps to lead the furling line aft. I forgot the one just ahead of the jam cleat on the starboard side cabin roof.
George 96 M15 #602 Merry Helen II
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Randy Sommerfeld < sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com
wrote:
Maybe I should explain that I have had 2 two M17, first one was a 1979
which did not have a roller furling. My current M17 which I purchased new from Bob in 2010 and put on the roller furling. Both boats were named No Worries, I am not very creative.
I bought my first M17 from Crows Nest yachts in Woodbury MN in the early 1990’s, sailed on Lake Menomin, Lake Pepin and once on Lake Superior. Moved on to bigger boats, but missed it, so told myself that if I can ever afford to buy a nother one I would. So in 2009 I ordered it and drove out to California and pulled it back to Wisconsin in August of 2010, pictured below
That would be awesome to see my first M17 again, a of lot fond memories sailing with the family.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Dan Farrell Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:38 AM To: Msog List Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
Randy,
If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still her name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller furling has since been removed.
If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able to share. I'm curious about her history.
Or maybe just a coincidence?
Dan Farrell M17 #301
Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote:
On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port
side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right direction. I used a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not bind on anything. No problems.
Randy Sommerfeld No Worries
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: George Iemmolo Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
John On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the deck up along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease to a jam cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to assist the line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the furling line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led aft also.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer < john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all, > > Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you route > your
furling line? Pictures appreciate if available. > > And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that would > make
it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip over, > etc.). > > thanks, > John > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > >
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
CornDog is looking great Larry! Jim Ellsworth On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 6:44 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks Larry! Also a nice way to run it, I have thought about along the toe rail also. I can just make out the fairlead on the pulpit. Mainly I'm not keen on having a cleat on top of coaming; I could put it on the outer face of coaming but the reach/release might be awkward. I will probably mock up these various options and see what suits my boat best.
cheers, john S.
On 04/24/2018 05:41 PM, Larry Yake wrote:
Here's a picture of my layout on CornDog. I routed it tight along the toe rail so it's not underfoot. Works very well. Perhaps not clear in the picture is that there is a fairlead on the pulpit which guides the line directly into the furler. Small blocks guide it along the toe rail, and it is cleated in a cam cleat on top of the coaming.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:05 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
John
Mine is outboard on the edge of the cabin top where there is a slight crease. for the line to lay in.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:31 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks George & others who replied...I was contemplating a similar
routing
I think. Quick question, in absence of pics:
Do your furling lines run outboard, or inboard, of the cabin-top handrail (assuming you have one)?
thanks, John S.
On 04/24/2018 02:19 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
John
Just pulled my M15 out of the garage to get it ready for splash mid May and noticed that I had used 4 eye straps to lead the furling line aft. I forgot the one just ahead of the jam cleat on the starboard side cabin roof.
George 96 M15 #602 Merry Helen II
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Randy Sommerfeld < sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com
wrote:
Maybe I should explain that I have had 2 two M17, first one was a 1979
which did not have a roller furling. My current M17 which I purchased new from Bob in 2010 and put on the roller furling. Both boats were named
No
Worries, I am not very creative.
I bought my first M17 from Crows Nest yachts in Woodbury MN in the
early
1990’s, sailed on Lake Menomin, Lake Pepin and once on Lake Superior.
Moved on to bigger boats, but missed it, so told myself that if I can ever afford to buy a nother one I would. So in 2009 I ordered it and drove out to California and pulled it back to Wisconsin in August of 2010,
pictured
below
That would be awesome to see my first M17 again, a of lot fond memories sailing with the family.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Dan Farrell Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:38 AM To: Msog List Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
Randy,
If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still her name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller furling has since been removed.
If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able to share. I'm curious about her history.
Or maybe just a coincidence?
Dan Farrell M17 #301
Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote:
On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port
> > side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right direction. I used a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not bind
on
anything. No problems.
Randy Sommerfeld > No Worries > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: George Iemmolo > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17 > > John > On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the > deck
up
> along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease to > a > jam > cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to > assist > the > line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the > furling
line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the
> fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led > aft
also.
> > George > "We Can Not Control the Wind > But We Can Adjust Our Sails" > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer < > john@eco-living.net>
wrote:
> > Hi all, > >> >> Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you >> route >> >> your >
furling line? Pictures appreciate if available. > >> >> And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that would >> >> make >
it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip > over,
etc.).
>> >> thanks, >> John >> >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> >> >> >> >
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Same pic, different thread - I notice that your boat has what appears to be the same mast step as mine - tall stainless "U" with slot running vertically, off center fore-aft, for the bolt. However yours is 180 degrees from mine - on yours, the slot is more towards the bow. On mine it is more towards the stern. On mine, as it is, the mast base is directly over the compression post. The part of the step forward of the mast is also forward of the post. So if I turned my step 180 to look like yours, using the same holes, the base of mast would be a bit offset forward of the post (partly forward of the post). I assume this would be a bad idea and the mast base should be directly atop compression post. Is your mast base directly atop compression post? Just makes me curious about variations in production...why would the slot in the step be off-center fore-aft anyhow? Which way around is "correct" or does it matter, as long as mast base is directly atop compression post? cheers, John S. On 04/24/2018 05:41 PM, Larry Yake wrote:
Here's a picture of my layout on CornDog. I routed it tight along the toe rail so it's not underfoot. Works very well. Perhaps not clear in the picture is that there is a fairlead on the pulpit which guides the line directly into the furler. Small blocks guide it along the toe rail, and it is cleated in a cam cleat on top of the coaming.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:05 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
John
Mine is outboard on the edge of the cabin top where there is a slight crease. for the line to lay in.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:31 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks George & others who replied...I was contemplating a similar routing I think. Quick question, in absence of pics:
Do your furling lines run outboard, or inboard, of the cabin-top handrail (assuming you have one)?
thanks, John S.
On 04/24/2018 02:19 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
John
Just pulled my M15 out of the garage to get it ready for splash mid May and noticed that I had used 4 eye straps to lead the furling line aft. I forgot the one just ahead of the jam cleat on the starboard side cabin roof.
George 96 M15 #602 Merry Helen II
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Randy Sommerfeld < sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com
wrote:
Maybe I should explain that I have had 2 two M17, first one was a 1979
which did not have a roller furling. My current M17 which I purchased new from Bob in 2010 and put on the roller furling. Both boats were named No Worries, I am not very creative.
I bought my first M17 from Crows Nest yachts in Woodbury MN in the early 1990’s, sailed on Lake Menomin, Lake Pepin and once on Lake Superior. Moved on to bigger boats, but missed it, so told myself that if I can ever afford to buy a nother one I would. So in 2009 I ordered it and drove out to California and pulled it back to Wisconsin in August of 2010, pictured below
That would be awesome to see my first M17 again, a of lot fond memories sailing with the family.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Dan Farrell Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:38 AM To: Msog List Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
Randy,
If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still her name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller furling has since been removed.
If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able to share. I'm curious about her history.
Or maybe just a coincidence?
Dan Farrell M17 #301
Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote:
On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port
side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right direction. I used a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not bind on anything. No problems.
Randy Sommerfeld No Worries
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: George Iemmolo Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
John On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the deck up along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease to a jam cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to assist the line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the furling line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led aft also.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer < john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all, > > Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you route > your
furling line? Pictures appreciate if available. > > And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that would > make
it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip over, > etc.). > > thanks, > John > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > >
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Hmmm.... I'll have to check later to see about the alignment with the compression post. The boat is still under winter cover right now. The tabernacle is mounted as you observed, with the slot slightly forward. I have had it off the boat, but it was obvious which way it was to go back on as the shape of the foot of the mast was clearly etched into the surface of the tabernacle where it sits. On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 6:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Same pic, different thread - I notice that your boat has what appears to be the same mast step as mine - tall stainless "U" with slot running vertically, off center fore-aft, for the bolt.
However yours is 180 degrees from mine - on yours, the slot is more towards the bow. On mine it is more towards the stern.
On mine, as it is, the mast base is directly over the compression post. The part of the step forward of the mast is also forward of the post.
So if I turned my step 180 to look like yours, using the same holes, the base of mast would be a bit offset forward of the post (partly forward of the post). I assume this would be a bad idea and the mast base should be directly atop compression post. Is your mast base directly atop compression post?
Just makes me curious about variations in production...why would the slot in the step be off-center fore-aft anyhow? Which way around is "correct" or does it matter, as long as mast base is directly atop compression post?
cheers, John S.
On 04/24/2018 05:41 PM, Larry Yake wrote:
Here's a picture of my layout on CornDog. I routed it tight along the toe rail so it's not underfoot. Works very well. Perhaps not clear in the picture is that there is a fairlead on the pulpit which guides the line directly into the furler. Small blocks guide it along the toe rail, and it is cleated in a cam cleat on top of the coaming.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:05 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
John
Mine is outboard on the edge of the cabin top where there is a slight crease. for the line to lay in.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:31 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks George & others who replied...I was contemplating a similar
routing
I think. Quick question, in absence of pics:
Do your furling lines run outboard, or inboard, of the cabin-top handrail (assuming you have one)?
thanks, John S.
On 04/24/2018 02:19 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
John
Just pulled my M15 out of the garage to get it ready for splash mid May and noticed that I had used 4 eye straps to lead the furling line aft. I forgot the one just ahead of the jam cleat on the starboard side cabin roof.
George 96 M15 #602 Merry Helen II
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Randy Sommerfeld < sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com
wrote:
Maybe I should explain that I have had 2 two M17, first one was a 1979
which did not have a roller furling. My current M17 which I purchased new from Bob in 2010 and put on the roller furling. Both boats were named
No
Worries, I am not very creative.
I bought my first M17 from Crows Nest yachts in Woodbury MN in the
early
1990’s, sailed on Lake Menomin, Lake Pepin and once on Lake Superior.
Moved on to bigger boats, but missed it, so told myself that if I can ever afford to buy a nother one I would. So in 2009 I ordered it and drove out to California and pulled it back to Wisconsin in August of 2010,
pictured
below
That would be awesome to see my first M17 again, a of lot fond memories sailing with the family.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Dan Farrell Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:38 AM To: Msog List Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
Randy,
If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still her name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller furling has since been removed.
If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able to share. I'm curious about her history.
Or maybe just a coincidence?
Dan Farrell M17 #301
Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote:
On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port
> > side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right direction. I used a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not bind
on
anything. No problems.
Randy Sommerfeld > No Worries > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: George Iemmolo > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17 > > John > On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the > deck
up
> along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease to > a > jam > cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to > assist > the > line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the > furling
line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the
> fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led > aft
also.
> > George > "We Can Not Control the Wind > But We Can Adjust Our Sails" > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer < > john@eco-living.net>
wrote:
> > Hi all, > >> >> Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you >> route >> >> your >
furling line? Pictures appreciate if available. > >> >> And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that would >> >> make >
it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip > over,
etc.).
>> >> thanks, >> John >> >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> >> >> >> >
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Here's a better picture of the cam cleat where the furling line comes over the coaming. On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 7:22 PM, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmmm.... I'll have to check later to see about the alignment with the compression post. The boat is still under winter cover right now. The tabernacle is mounted as you observed, with the slot slightly forward. I have had it off the boat, but it was obvious which way it was to go back on as the shape of the foot of the mast was clearly etched into the surface of the tabernacle where it sits.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 6:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Same pic, different thread - I notice that your boat has what appears to be the same mast step as mine - tall stainless "U" with slot running vertically, off center fore-aft, for the bolt.
However yours is 180 degrees from mine - on yours, the slot is more towards the bow. On mine it is more towards the stern.
On mine, as it is, the mast base is directly over the compression post. The part of the step forward of the mast is also forward of the post.
So if I turned my step 180 to look like yours, using the same holes, the base of mast would be a bit offset forward of the post (partly forward of the post). I assume this would be a bad idea and the mast base should be directly atop compression post. Is your mast base directly atop compression post?
Just makes me curious about variations in production...why would the slot in the step be off-center fore-aft anyhow? Which way around is "correct" or does it matter, as long as mast base is directly atop compression post?
cheers, John S.
On 04/24/2018 05:41 PM, Larry Yake wrote:
Here's a picture of my layout on CornDog. I routed it tight along the toe rail so it's not underfoot. Works very well. Perhaps not clear in the picture is that there is a fairlead on the pulpit which guides the line directly into the furler. Small blocks guide it along the toe rail, and it is cleated in a cam cleat on top of the coaming.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:05 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
John
Mine is outboard on the edge of the cabin top where there is a slight crease. for the line to lay in.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:31 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks George & others who replied...I was contemplating a similar
routing
I think. Quick question, in absence of pics:
Do your furling lines run outboard, or inboard, of the cabin-top handrail (assuming you have one)?
thanks, John S.
On 04/24/2018 02:19 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
John
Just pulled my M15 out of the garage to get it ready for splash mid May and noticed that I had used 4 eye straps to lead the furling line aft. I forgot the one just ahead of the jam cleat on the starboard side cabin roof.
George 96 M15 #602 Merry Helen II
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Randy Sommerfeld < sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com
wrote: > > Maybe I should explain that I have had 2 two M17, first one was a 1979
> which did not have a roller furling. My current M17 which I > purchased > new > from Bob in 2010 and put on the roller furling. Both boats were > named > No
Worries, I am not very creative.
> > I bought my first M17 from Crows Nest yachts in Woodbury MN in the > early
1990’s, sailed on Lake Menomin, Lake Pepin and once on Lake Superior.
> Moved on to bigger boats, but missed it, so told myself that if I > can > ever > afford to buy a nother one I would. So in 2009 I ordered it and > drove > out > to California and pulled it back to Wisconsin in August of 2010, > pictured
below
> > That would be awesome to see my first M17 again, a of lot fond > memories > sailing with the family. > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Dan Farrell > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:38 AM > To: Msog List > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17 > > Randy, > > If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still > her > name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller > furling > has since been removed. > > If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able > to > share. I'm curious about her history. > > Or maybe just a coincidence? > > Dan Farrell > M17 #301 > > Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote: > > On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port > >> >> side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right > direction. I > used > a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not > bind > on
anything. No problems.
> > Randy Sommerfeld >> No Worries >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: George Iemmolo >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17 >> >> John >> On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the >> > deck
up
>> along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease >> to a >> jam >> cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to >> assist >> the >> line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the >> > furling
line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the
>> fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led >> > aft
also.
>> >> George >> "We Can Not Control the Wind >> But We Can Adjust Our Sails" >> >> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer < >> > john@eco-living.net>
wrote:
>> >> Hi all, >> >>> >>> Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you >>> route >>> >>> your >> > > furling line? Pictures appreciate if available. >> >>> >>> And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that >>> would >>> >>> make >> > > it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip >> > over,
etc.).
>>> >>> thanks, >>> John >>> >>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Thanks...just curious what you find when you eventually take a look. Mine was also clearly always the way it is too...at least in any recent history. The mast base markings are plenty clear, as you say with yours. cheers, John On 04/24/2018 07:22 PM, Larry Yake wrote:
Hmmm.... I'll have to check later to see about the alignment with the compression post. The boat is still under winter cover right now. The tabernacle is mounted as you observed, with the slot slightly forward. I have had it off the boat, but it was obvious which way it was to go back on as the shape of the foot of the mast was clearly etched into the surface of the tabernacle where it sits.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 6:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Same pic, different thread - I notice that your boat has what appears to be the same mast step as mine - tall stainless "U" with slot running vertically, off center fore-aft, for the bolt.
However yours is 180 degrees from mine - on yours, the slot is more towards the bow. On mine it is more towards the stern.
On mine, as it is, the mast base is directly over the compression post. The part of the step forward of the mast is also forward of the post.
So if I turned my step 180 to look like yours, using the same holes, the base of mast would be a bit offset forward of the post (partly forward of the post). I assume this would be a bad idea and the mast base should be directly atop compression post. Is your mast base directly atop compression post?
Just makes me curious about variations in production...why would the slot in the step be off-center fore-aft anyhow? Which way around is "correct" or does it matter, as long as mast base is directly atop compression post?
cheers, John S.
On 04/24/2018 05:41 PM, Larry Yake wrote:
Here's a picture of my layout on CornDog. I routed it tight along the toe rail so it's not underfoot. Works very well. Perhaps not clear in the picture is that there is a fairlead on the pulpit which guides the line directly into the furler. Small blocks guide it along the toe rail, and it is cleated in a cam cleat on top of the coaming.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:05 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
John
Mine is outboard on the edge of the cabin top where there is a slight crease. for the line to lay in.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:31 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks George & others who replied...I was contemplating a similar
routing
I think. Quick question, in absence of pics:
Do your furling lines run outboard, or inboard, of the cabin-top handrail (assuming you have one)?
thanks, John S.
On 04/24/2018 02:19 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
John
Just pulled my M15 out of the garage to get it ready for splash mid May and noticed that I had used 4 eye straps to lead the furling line aft. I forgot the one just ahead of the jam cleat on the starboard side cabin roof.
George 96 M15 #602 Merry Helen II
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Randy Sommerfeld < sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com
wrote: > > Maybe I should explain that I have had 2 two M17, first one was a 1979
> which did not have a roller furling. My current M17 which I purchased > new > from Bob in 2010 and put on the roller furling. Both boats were named > No
Worries, I am not very creative.
> > I bought my first M17 from Crows Nest yachts in Woodbury MN in the > early
1990’s, sailed on Lake Menomin, Lake Pepin and once on Lake Superior.
> Moved on to bigger boats, but missed it, so told myself that if I > can > ever > afford to buy a nother one I would. So in 2009 I ordered it and drove > out > to California and pulled it back to Wisconsin in August of 2010, > pictured
below
> > That would be awesome to see my first M17 again, a of lot fond > memories > sailing with the family. > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Dan Farrell > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:38 AM > To: Msog List > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17 > > Randy, > > If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still her > name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller > furling > has since been removed. > > If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able to > share. I'm curious about her history. > > Or maybe just a coincidence? > > Dan Farrell > M17 #301 > > Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote: > > On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port > >> >> side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right direction. > I > used > a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not bind > on
anything. No problems.
> > Randy Sommerfeld >> No Worries >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: George Iemmolo >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17 >> >> John >> On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the >> > deck
up
>> along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease to >> a >> jam >> cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to >> assist >> the >> line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the >> > furling
line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the
>> fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led >> > aft
also.
>> >> George >> "We Can Not Control the Wind >> But We Can Adjust Our Sails" >> >> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer < >> > john@eco-living.net>
wrote:
>> >> Hi all, >> >>> >>> Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you >>> route >>> >>> your >> > > furling line? Pictures appreciate if available. >> >>> >>> And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that would >>> >>> make >> > > it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip >> > over,
etc.).
>>> >>> thanks, >>> John >>> >>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I notice that your registration is Washington State. What part of Washington? Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound -----Original Message----- From: Larry Yake Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:41 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17 Here's a picture of my layout on CornDog. I routed it tight along the toe rail so it's not underfoot. Works very well. Perhaps not clear in the picture is that there is a fairlead on the pulpit which guides the line directly into the furler. Small blocks guide it along the toe rail, and it is cleated in a cam cleat on top of the coaming. On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:05 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
John
Mine is outboard on the edge of the cabin top where there is a slight crease. for the line to lay in.> George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:31 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks George & others who replied...I was contemplating a similar routing I think. Quick question, in absence of pics:
Do your furling lines run outboard, or inboard, of the cabin-top handrail (assuming you have one)?
thanks, John S.
On 04/24/2018 02:19 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
John
Just pulled my M15 out of the garage to get it ready for splash mid May and noticed that I had used 4 eye straps to lead the furling line aft. I forgot the one just ahead of the jam cleat on the starboard side cabin roof.
George 96 M15 #602 Merry Helen II
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Randy Sommerfeld < sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com
wrote:
Maybe I should explain that I have had 2 two M17, first one was a 1979
which did not have a roller furling. My current M17 which I purchased new from Bob in 2010 and put on the roller furling. Both boats were named No Worries, I am not very creative.
I bought my first M17 from Crows Nest yachts in Woodbury MN in the early 1990’s, sailed on Lake Menomin, Lake Pepin and once on Lake Superior. Moved on to bigger boats, but missed it, so told myself that if I can ever afford to buy a nother one I would. So in 2009 I ordered it and drove out to California and pulled it back to Wisconsin in August of 2010, pictured below
That would be awesome to see my first M17 again, a of lot fond memories sailing with the family.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Dan Farrell Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:38 AM To: Msog List Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
Randy,
If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still her name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller furling has since been removed.
If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able to share. I'm curious about her history.
Or maybe just a coincidence?
Dan Farrell M17 #301
Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote:
On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port
side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right direction. I used a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not bind on anything. No problems.
Randy Sommerfeld No Worries
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: George Iemmolo Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
John On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the deck up along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease to a jam cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to assist the line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the furling line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led aft also.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer < john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you route
your
furling line? Pictures appreciate if available.
And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that would
make
it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip over,
etc.).
thanks, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Deer Park, in the northeastern part of the state, but I do a lot of my cruising over on your side. Usually hit the San Juans and Gulf Islands a couple times a year with a small group of friends. This year we're heading up to the Broughton's in mid July. Over here I sail the north Idaho lakes - Priest and Pend Oreille being my favorites. On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I notice that your registration is Washington State. What part of Washington? Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
-----Original Message----- From: Larry Yake Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:41 PM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
Here's a picture of my layout on CornDog. I routed it tight along the toe rail so it's not underfoot. Works very well. Perhaps not clear in the picture is that there is a fairlead on the pulpit which guides the line directly into the furler. Small blocks guide it along the toe rail, and it is cleated in a cam cleat on top of the coaming.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:05 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
John
Mine is outboard on the edge of the cabin top where there is a slight crease. for the line to lay in.> George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:31 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks George & others who replied...I was contemplating a similar routing I think. Quick question, in absence of pics:
Do your furling lines run outboard, or inboard, of the cabin-top > handrail (assuming you have one)?
thanks, John S.
On 04/24/2018 02:19 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
John
Just pulled my M15 out of the garage to get it ready for splash mid May and noticed that I had used 4 eye straps to lead the furling line aft. I forgot the one just ahead of the jam cleat on the starboard side cabin roof.
George 96 M15 #602 Merry Helen II
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Randy Sommerfeld < sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com
wrote:
Maybe I should explain that I have had 2 two M17, first one was a 1979
which did not have a roller furling. My current M17 which I purchased new from Bob in 2010 and put on the roller furling. Both boats were named No Worries, I am not very creative.
I bought my first M17 from Crows Nest yachts in Woodbury MN in the early 1990’s, sailed on Lake Menomin, Lake Pepin and once on Lake Superior. Moved on to bigger boats, but missed it, so told myself that if I can ever afford to buy a nother one I would. So in 2009 I ordered it and drove out to California and pulled it back to Wisconsin in August of 2010, pictured below
That would be awesome to see my first M17 again, a of lot fond >>> memories sailing with the family.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Dan Farrell Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:38 AM To: Msog List Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
Randy,
If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still her name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller furling has since been removed.
If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able to share. I'm curious about her history.
Or maybe just a coincidence?
Dan Farrell M17 #301
Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote:
On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port
side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right direction. I used a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not bind on anything. No problems.
Randy Sommerfeld No Worries
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: George Iemmolo Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
John On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the deck up along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease to a jam cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to >>>> assist the line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the furling line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led aft also.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer < john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all, > > Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you > route > your
furling line? Pictures appreciate if available. > > And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that would > make
it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip over, > etc.). > > thanks, > John > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > >
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Where do you launch, to go to the Broughton islands? That is, how far do you actually sail to get there, or do you launch close by at N. end of Sunshine coast or up near N. end of Vancover island? Contemplating a couple trips up that way, maybe not quite so far north but who knows...later this season. One probably with my kayak, but another at some point with my Monty. cheers, John On 04/25/2018 04:38 PM, Larry Yake wrote:
Deer Park, in the northeastern part of the state, but I do a lot of my cruising over on your side. Usually hit the San Juans and Gulf Islands a couple times a year with a small group of friends. This year we're heading up to the Broughton's in mid July. Over here I sail the north Idaho lakes - Priest and Pend Oreille being my favorites.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I notice that your registration is Washington State. What part of Washington? Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
-----Original Message----- From: Larry Yake Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:41 PM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
Here's a picture of my layout on CornDog. I routed it tight along the toe rail so it's not underfoot. Works very well. Perhaps not clear in the picture is that there is a fairlead on the pulpit which guides the line directly into the furler. Small blocks guide it along the toe rail, and it is cleated in a cam cleat on top of the coaming.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:05 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
John
Mine is outboard on the edge of the cabin top where there is a slight crease. for the line to lay in.> George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:31 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks George & others who replied...I was contemplating a similar routing I think. Quick question, in absence of pics:
Do your furling lines run outboard, or inboard, of the cabin-top > handrail (assuming you have one)?
thanks, John S.
On 04/24/2018 02:19 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
John
Just pulled my M15 out of the garage to get it ready for splash mid May and noticed that I had used 4 eye straps to lead the furling line aft. I forgot the one just ahead of the jam cleat on the starboard side cabin roof.
George 96 M15 #602 Merry Helen II
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Randy Sommerfeld < sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com
wrote:
Maybe I should explain that I have had 2 two M17, first one was a 1979
which did not have a roller furling. My current M17 which I purchased new from Bob in 2010 and put on the roller furling. Both boats were named No Worries, I am not very creative.
I bought my first M17 from Crows Nest yachts in Woodbury MN in the early 1990’s, sailed on Lake Menomin, Lake Pepin and once on Lake Superior. Moved on to bigger boats, but missed it, so told myself that if I can ever afford to buy a nother one I would. So in 2009 I ordered it and drove out to California and pulled it back to Wisconsin in August of 2010, pictured below
That would be awesome to see my first M17 again, a of lot fond >>> memories sailing with the family.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Dan Farrell Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:38 AM To: Msog List Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
Randy,
If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still her name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller furling has since been removed.
If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able to share. I'm curious about her history.
Or maybe just a coincidence?
Dan Farrell M17 #301
Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote:
On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port > side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right direction. I used a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not bind on anything. No problems.
> Randy Sommerfeld > No Worries > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: George Iemmolo > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17 > > John > On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the deck > up > along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease to > a > jam > cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to >>>> assist > the > line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the furling > line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the > fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led aft > also. > > George > "We Can Not Control the Wind > But We Can Adjust Our Sails" > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer < john@eco-living.net> > wrote: > > Hi all, >> >> Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you >> route >> > your
> furling line? Pictures appreciate if available. >> >> And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that would >> > make
> it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip over, >> etc.). >> >> thanks, >> John >> >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> >> >> >
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
We are launching clear up at Port McNeil. Actually, Telegraph Cove Marina, just south of the town, where we will also leave our trailers and tow vehicles for three weeks. That puts you right into the archipelago without the long passages non-trailerables have to make to get there. On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 6:16 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Where do you launch, to go to the Broughton islands? That is, how far do you actually sail to get there, or do you launch close by at N. end of Sunshine coast or up near N. end of Vancover island?
Contemplating a couple trips up that way, maybe not quite so far north but who knows...later this season. One probably with my kayak, but another at some point with my Monty.
cheers, John
On 04/25/2018 04:38 PM, Larry Yake wrote:
Deer Park, in the northeastern part of the state, but I do a lot of my cruising over on your side. Usually hit the San Juans and Gulf Islands a couple times a year with a small group of friends. This year we're heading up to the Broughton's in mid July. Over here I sail the north Idaho lakes - Priest and Pend Oreille being my favorites.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I notice that your registration is Washington State. What part of
Washington? Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
-----Original Message----- From: Larry Yake Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:41 PM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
Here's a picture of my layout on CornDog. I routed it tight along the toe rail so it's not underfoot. Works very well. Perhaps not clear in the picture is that there is a fairlead on the pulpit which guides the line directly into the furler. Small blocks guide it along the toe rail, and it is cleated in a cam cleat on top of the coaming.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:05 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
John
Mine is outboard on the edge of the cabin top where there is a slight crease. for the line to lay in.> George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:31 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks George & others who replied...I was contemplating a similar
routing
I think. Quick question, in absence of pics:
Do your furling lines run outboard, or inboard, of the cabin-top >
handrail
(assuming you have one)?
thanks, John S.
On 04/24/2018 02:19 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
John
Just pulled my M15 out of the garage to get it ready for splash mid May and noticed that I had used 4 eye straps to lead the furling line aft. I forgot the one just ahead of the jam cleat on the starboard side cabin roof.
George 96 M15 #602 Merry Helen II
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Randy Sommerfeld < sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com
wrote: > > Maybe I should explain that I have had 2 two M17, first one was a 1979
> which did not have a roller furling. My current M17 which I > purchased > new > from Bob in 2010 and put on the roller furling. Both boats were > named > No
Worries, I am not very creative.
> > I bought my first M17 from Crows Nest yachts in Woodbury MN in the > early
1990’s, sailed on Lake Menomin, Lake Pepin and once on Lake Superior.
> Moved on to bigger boats, but missed it, so told myself that if I > can > ever > afford to buy a nother one I would. So in 2009 I ordered it and > drove > out > to California and pulled it back to Wisconsin in August of 2010, > pictured
below
> > That would be awesome to see my first M17 again, a of lot fond >>> > memories
sailing with the family.
> > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Dan Farrell > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:38 AM > To: Msog List > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17 > > Randy, > > If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still > her > name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller > furling > has since been removed. > > If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able > to > share. I'm curious about her history. > > Or maybe just a coincidence? > > Dan Farrell > M17 #301 > > Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote: > > On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port > >> >> side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right > direction. I > used > a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not > bind > on
anything. No problems.
> > Randy Sommerfeld >> No Worries >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: George Iemmolo >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17 >> >> John >> On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the >> > deck
up
>> along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease to >> a >> jam >> cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to >>>> >> > assist
the
>> line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the >> > furling
line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the
>> fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led >> > aft
also.
>> >> George >> "We Can Not Control the Wind >> But We Can Adjust Our Sails" >> >> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer < >> > john@eco-living.net>
wrote:
>> >> Hi all, >> >>> >>> Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you >>> route >>> >>> your >> > > furling line? Pictures appreciate if available. >> >>> >>> And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that >>> would >>> >>> make >> > > it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip >> > over,
etc.).
>>> >>> thanks, >>> John >>> >>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Larry: Sounds like a fun trip. Do you ferry to Duke point and trailer up from there? GARY ~~~~_/) ~~~~ Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. Injustice anywhere threatens justice everywhere.
On Apr 25, 2018, at 6:52 PM, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
We are launching clear up at Port McNeil. Actually, Telegraph Cove Marina, just south of the town, where we will also leave our trailers and tow vehicles for three weeks. That puts you right into the archipelago without the long passages non-trailerables have to make to get there.
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 6:16 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Where do you launch, to go to the Broughton islands? That is, how far do you actually sail to get there, or do you launch close by at N. end of Sunshine coast or up near N. end of Vancover island?
Contemplating a couple trips up that way, maybe not quite so far north but who knows...later this season. One probably with my kayak, but another at some point with my Monty.
cheers, John
On 04/25/2018 04:38 PM, Larry Yake wrote:
Deer Park, in the northeastern part of the state, but I do a lot of my cruising over on your side. Usually hit the San Juans and Gulf Islands a couple times a year with a small group of friends. This year we're heading up to the Broughton's in mid July. Over here I sail the north Idaho lakes - Priest and Pend Oreille being my favorites.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I notice that your registration is Washington State. What part of
Washington? Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
-----Original Message----- From: Larry Yake Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:41 PM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
Here's a picture of my layout on CornDog. I routed it tight along the toe rail so it's not underfoot. Works very well. Perhaps not clear in the picture is that there is a fairlead on the pulpit which guides the line directly into the furler. Small blocks guide it along the toe rail, and it is cleated in a cam cleat on top of the coaming.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:05 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
John
Mine is outboard on the edge of the cabin top where there is a slight crease. for the line to lay in.> George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:31 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks George & others who replied...I was contemplating a similar
routing
I think. Quick question, in absence of pics:
Do your furling lines run outboard, or inboard, of the cabin-top >
handrail
(assuming you have one)?
thanks, John S.
On 04/24/2018 02:19 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
John > > Just pulled my M15 out of the garage to get it ready for splash mid > May > and > noticed that I had used 4 eye straps to lead the furling line aft. I > forgot > the one just ahead of the jam cleat on the starboard side cabin roof. > > George > 96 M15 #602 > Merry Helen II > > George > "We Can Not Control the Wind > But We Can Adjust Our Sails" > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Randy Sommerfeld < > sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com > > wrote: >> >> > Maybe I should explain that I have had 2 two M17, first one was a 1979 > >> which did not have a roller furling. My current M17 which I >> purchased >> new >> from Bob in 2010 and put on the roller furling. Both boats were >> named >> > No
Worries, I am not very creative. >> >> I bought my first M17 from Crows Nest yachts in Woodbury MN in the >> > early
1990’s, sailed on Lake Menomin, Lake Pepin and once on Lake Superior. >> Moved on to bigger boats, but missed it, so told myself that if I >> can >> ever >> afford to buy a nother one I would. So in 2009 I ordered it and >> drove >> out >> to California and pulled it back to Wisconsin in August of 2010, >> > pictured
below >> >> That would be awesome to see my first M17 again, a of lot fond >>> >> > memories
sailing with the family. >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Dan Farrell >> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:38 AM >> To: Msog List >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17 >> >> Randy, >> >> If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still >> her >> name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller >> furling >> has since been removed. >> >> If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able >> to >> share. I'm curious about her history. >> >> Or maybe just a coincidence? >> >> Dan Farrell >> M17 #301 >> >> Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port >> >>> >>> side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right >> direction. I >> used >> a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not >> bind >> > on
anything. No problems. >> >> Randy Sommerfeld >>> No Worries >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: George Iemmolo >>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17 >>> >>> John >>> On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the >>> >> deck
up >>> along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease to >>> a >>> jam >>> cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to >>>> >>> >> assist
the >>> line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the >>> >> furling
line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the >>> fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led >>> >> aft
also. >>> >>> George >>> "We Can Not Control the Wind >>> But We Can Adjust Our Sails" >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer < >>> >> john@eco-living.net>
wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>>> >>>> Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you >>>> route >>>> >>>> your >>> >> >> furling line? Pictures appreciate if available. >>> >>>> >>>> And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that >>>> would >>>> >>>> make >>> >> >> it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip >>> >> over,
etc.). >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>> - Eco-Living - >>>> Whole Systems Design Services >>>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>>> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>>> http://eco-living.net >>>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Hi Gary, Yes, same as the trip to Desolation Sound, but driving a lot further up Vancouver Island. Good to hear from you. On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 1:20 PM, GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Larry: Sounds like a fun trip. Do you ferry to Duke point and trailer up from there? GARY ~~~~_/) ~~~~ Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. Injustice anywhere threatens justice everywhere.
On Apr 25, 2018, at 6:52 PM, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
We are launching clear up at Port McNeil. Actually, Telegraph Cove Marina, just south of the town, where we will also leave our trailers and tow vehicles for three weeks. That puts you right into the archipelago without the long passages non-trailerables have to make to get there.
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 6:16 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Where do you launch, to go to the Broughton islands? That is, how far do you actually sail to get there, or do you launch close by at N. end of Sunshine coast or up near N. end of Vancover island?
Contemplating a couple trips up that way, maybe not quite so far north but who knows...later this season. One probably with my kayak, but another at some point with my Monty.
cheers, John
On 04/25/2018 04:38 PM, Larry Yake wrote:
Deer Park, in the northeastern part of the state, but I do a lot of my cruising over on your side. Usually hit the San Juans and Gulf Islands a couple times a year with a small group of friends. This year we're heading up to the Broughton's in mid July. Over here I sail the north Idaho lakes - Priest and Pend Oreille being my favorites.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I notice that your registration is Washington State. What part of
Washington? Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
-----Original Message----- From: Larry Yake Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:41 PM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
Here's a picture of my layout on CornDog. I routed it tight along the toe rail so it's not underfoot. Works very well. Perhaps not clear in the picture is that there is a fairlead on the pulpit which guides the line directly into the furler. Small blocks guide it along the toe rail, and it is cleated in a cam cleat on top of the coaming.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:05 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
John
Mine is outboard on the edge of the cabin top where there is a slight crease. for the line to lay in.> George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:31 PM, John Schinnerer <
john@eco-living.net>
wrote:
Thanks George & others who replied...I was contemplating a similar > routing
> I think. Quick question, in absence of pics: > > Do your furling lines run outboard, or inboard, of the cabin-top > > handrail
> (assuming you have one)? > > thanks, > John S. > > > On 04/24/2018 02:19 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: > > John >> >> Just pulled my M15 out of the garage to get it ready for splash mid >> May >> and >> noticed that I had used 4 eye straps to lead the furling line aft. I >> forgot >> the one just ahead of the jam cleat on the starboard side cabin roof. >> >> George >> 96 M15 #602 >> Merry Helen II >> >> George >> "We Can Not Control the Wind >> But We Can Adjust Our Sails" >> >> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Randy Sommerfeld < >> sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com >> >> wrote: >>> >>> >> Maybe I should explain that I have had 2 two M17, first one was a 1979 >> >>> which did not have a roller furling. My current M17 which I >>> purchased >>> new >>> from Bob in 2010 and put on the roller furling. Both boats were >>> named >>> >> No
> Worries, I am not very creative. >>> >>> I bought my first M17 from Crows Nest yachts in Woodbury MN in the >>> >> early
> 1990’s, sailed on Lake Menomin, Lake Pepin and once on Lake Superior. >>> Moved on to bigger boats, but missed it, so told myself that if I >>> can >>> ever >>> afford to buy a nother one I would. So in 2009 I ordered it and >>> drove >>> out >>> to California and pulled it back to Wisconsin in August of 2010, >>> >> pictured
> below >>> >>> That would be awesome to see my first M17 again, a of lot fond >>> >>> >> memories
> sailing with the family. >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Dan Farrell >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:38 AM >>> To: Msog List >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17 >>> >>> Randy, >>> >>> If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still >>> her >>> name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller >>> furling >>> has since been removed. >>> >>> If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able >>> to >>> share. I'm curious about her history. >>> >>> Or maybe just a coincidence? >>> >>> Dan Farrell >>> M17 #301 >>> >>> Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port >>> >>>> >>>> side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right >>> direction. I >>> used >>> a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not >>> bind >>> >> on
> anything. No problems. >>> >>> Randy Sommerfeld >>>> No Worries >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: George Iemmolo >>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM >>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17 >>>> >>>> John >>>> On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the >>>> >>> deck
> up >>>> along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease to >>>> a >>>> jam >>>> cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to
>>>> >>> assist
> the >>>> line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the >>>> >>> furling
> line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the >>>> fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led >>>> >>> aft
> also. >>>> >>>> George >>>> "We Can Not Control the Wind >>>> But We Can Adjust Our Sails" >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer < >>>> >>> john@eco-living.net>
> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you >>>>> route >>>>> >>>>> your >>>> >>> >>> furling line? Pictures appreciate if available. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that >>>>> would >>>>> >>>>> make >>>> >>> >>> it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip >>>> >>> over,
> etc.). >>>>> >>>>> thanks, >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>> - Eco-Living - >>>>> Whole Systems Design Services >>>>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>>>> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>>>> http://eco-living.net >>>>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > >
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Have a great time Larry! GARY ~~~~_/) ~~~~ Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. Injustice anywhere threatens justice everywhere.
On Apr 27, 2018, at 1:30 PM, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Gary,
Yes, same as the trip to Desolation Sound, but driving a lot further up Vancouver Island. Good to hear from you.
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 1:20 PM, GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Larry: Sounds like a fun trip. Do you ferry to Duke point and trailer up from there? GARY ~~~~_/) ~~~~ Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. Injustice anywhere threatens justice everywhere.
On Apr 25, 2018, at 6:52 PM, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
We are launching clear up at Port McNeil. Actually, Telegraph Cove Marina, just south of the town, where we will also leave our trailers and tow vehicles for three weeks. That puts you right into the archipelago without the long passages non-trailerables have to make to get there.
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 6:16 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Where do you launch, to go to the Broughton islands? That is, how far do you actually sail to get there, or do you launch close by at N. end of Sunshine coast or up near N. end of Vancover island?
Contemplating a couple trips up that way, maybe not quite so far north but who knows...later this season. One probably with my kayak, but another at some point with my Monty.
cheers, John
On 04/25/2018 04:38 PM, Larry Yake wrote:
Deer Park, in the northeastern part of the state, but I do a lot of my cruising over on your side. Usually hit the San Juans and Gulf Islands a couple times a year with a small group of friends. This year we're heading up to the Broughton's in mid July. Over here I sail the north Idaho lakes - Priest and Pend Oreille being my favorites.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I notice that your registration is Washington State. What part of
Washington? Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
-----Original Message----- From: Larry Yake Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:41 PM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17
Here's a picture of my layout on CornDog. I routed it tight along the toe rail so it's not underfoot. Works very well. Perhaps not clear in the picture is that there is a fairlead on the pulpit which guides the line directly into the furler. Small blocks guide it along the toe rail, and it is cleated in a cam cleat on top of the coaming.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:05 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
John
> > Mine is outboard on the edge of the cabin top where there is a slight > crease. for the line to lay in.> > George > "We Can Not Control the Wind > But We Can Adjust Our Sails" > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:31 PM, John Schinnerer < john@eco-living.net> > wrote: > > Thanks George & others who replied...I was contemplating a similar >> > routing > >> I think. Quick question, in absence of pics: >> >> Do your furling lines run outboard, or inboard, of the cabin-top > >> > handrail > >> (assuming you have one)? >> >> thanks, >> John S. >> >> >> On 04/24/2018 02:19 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: >> >> John >>> >>> Just pulled my M15 out of the garage to get it ready for splash mid >>> May >>> and >>> noticed that I had used 4 eye straps to lead the furling line aft. I >>> forgot >>> the one just ahead of the jam cleat on the starboard side cabin roof. >>> >>> George >>> 96 M15 #602 >>> Merry Helen II >>> >>> George >>> "We Can Not Control the Wind >>> But We Can Adjust Our Sails" >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Randy Sommerfeld < >>> sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com >>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> Maybe I should explain that I have had 2 two M17, first one was a 1979 >>> >>>> which did not have a roller furling. My current M17 which I >>>> purchased >>>> new >>>> from Bob in 2010 and put on the roller furling. Both boats were >>>> named >>>> >>> No > >> Worries, I am not very creative. >>>> >>>> I bought my first M17 from Crows Nest yachts in Woodbury MN in the >>>> >>> early > >> 1990’s, sailed on Lake Menomin, Lake Pepin and once on Lake Superior. >>>> Moved on to bigger boats, but missed it, so told myself that if I >>>> can >>>> ever >>>> afford to buy a nother one I would. So in 2009 I ordered it and >>>> drove >>>> out >>>> to California and pulled it back to Wisconsin in August of 2010, >>>> >>> pictured > >> below >>>> >>>> That would be awesome to see my first M17 again, a of lot fond >>> >>>> >>> memories > >> sailing with the family. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: Dan Farrell >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:38 AM >>>> To: Msog List >>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17 >>>> >>>> Randy, >>>> >>>> If you since sold no worries, I probably own her now; that's still >>>> her >>>> name and the fairleads are mostly still in place, though the roller >>>> furling >>>> has since been removed. >>>> >>>> If that was your boat, I'd love to hear any history you may be able >>>> to >>>> share. I'm curious about her history. >>>> >>>> Or maybe just a coincidence? >>>> >>>> Dan Farrell >>>> M17 #301 >>>> >>>> Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> On my M17, I did it just like George did, except I did it on the port >>>> >>>>> >>>>> side, using eye straps to keep things going in the right >>>> direction. I >>>> used >>>> a small pulley, (block) by the furling unit so the line would not >>>> bind >>>> >>> on > >> anything. No problems. >>>> >>>> Randy Sommerfeld >>>>> No Worries >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> From: George Iemmolo >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:53 PM >>>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib furling line routing on M17 >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> On my M15 I routed the furling line down the starboard side of the >>>>> >>>> deck > >> up >>>>> along the edge of the cabin and along its top in the cabin crease to >>>>> a >>>>> jam >>>>> cleat at the end of the cabin top. I used 3 small eye straps to
>>>>> >>>> assist > >> the >>>>> line in it's journey. Be sure to place the first one so that the >>>>> >>>> furling > >> line is perpendicular to the forestay to prevent it jamming in the >>>>> fuller This keeps it out of the way of the main halyard that is led >>>>> >>>> aft > >> also. >>>>> >>>>> George >>>>> "We Can Not Control the Wind >>>>> But We Can Adjust Our Sails" >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM, John Schinnerer < >>>>> >>>> john@eco-living.net> > >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Those of you with a furling jib on your M17 - where/how did you >>>>>> route >>>>>> >>>>>> your >>>>> >>>> >>>> furling line? Pictures appreciate if available. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> And, how happy are you with it, would you change anything that >>>>>> would >>>>>> >>>>>> make >>>>> >>>> >>>> it better (more convenient, simpler, less likely to foul/snag/trip >>>>> >>>> over, > >> etc.). >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks, >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>>> - Eco-Living - >>>>>> Whole Systems Design Services >>>>>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>>>>> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>>>>> http://eco-living.net >>>>>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> >> >> > >
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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