Does anyone have a total weight, including trailer, sails, etc. for towing consideration for the M17? Anyone tow with a class one hitch? Class II? -Alec
I guestimate my boat/trailer loadout to be about 3000#. I use a Class II hitch because that’s what came with my Mazda Tribute. The Tribute tow capacity is 3500 so it doesn’t make sense to have anything heftier than a Class II anyway. It falls within a 10% margin of safety but yes, in a perfect world I’d have a vehicle with 5000# tow capacity and a class III hitch. I carry the outboard in the back of the Mazda and on cruises don’t fill the 20+ gallons I have in water jugs until I’m ready to launch. The anchors etc. stay aboard. - Jim M-17 “Spirit" On May 5, 2014, at 7:42 AM, Alec McCandless <alecmccandless@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have a total weight, including trailer, sails, etc. for towing consideration for the M17? Anyone tow with a class one hitch? Class II? -Alec
SWEET PEA, my M17, weights out at 2500# (boat, stuff, trailer, outboard). tow her with a Ranger, 4L engine, with standard transmission. the truck has the factory intalled towing package (receiver hitch, class III). On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:27 AM, James Poulakis <picfo@comcast.net> wrote:
I guestimate my boat/trailer loadout to be about 3000#. I use a Class II hitch because that’s what came with my Mazda Tribute. The Tribute tow capacity is 3500 so it doesn’t make sense to have anything heftier than a Class II anyway. It falls within a 10% margin of safety but yes, in a perfect world I’d have a vehicle with 5000# tow capacity and a class III hitch.
I carry the outboard in the back of the Mazda and on cruises don’t fill the 20+ gallons I have in water jugs until I’m ready to launch. The anchors etc. stay aboard.
- Jim M-17 “Spirit"
On May 5, 2014, at 7:42 AM, Alec McCandless <alecmccandless@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have a total weight, including trailer, sails, etc. for towing consideration for the M17? Anyone tow with a class one hitch? Class II? -Alec
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
I use 1800 pounds as a ballpark figure when towing. The bare boat is usually set at 1600 # but all the gear adds to that. Add 200 for the trailer. My trailer ball is two inch. Don't know what class that it. Tows well behind my Chevy Silverado 1500 with small v-8. On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Alec McCandless <alecmccandless@gmail.com>wrote:
Does anyone have a total weight, including trailer, sails, etc. for towing consideration for the M17? Anyone tow with a class one hitch? Class II? -Alec
Alec, I weighed my 2004 twice and got 3000 pounds +/- 50 depending on the volume of gas and water, and whether a motor was on board. This is basically cruising weight. I have four opening bronze ports which raises the weight a few pounds above standard, and a furling headsail. Most people would use a class II hitch for safety margin and because cars equipted with factory class I hitches might not like the tongue weight of 300+ pounds. On May 5, 2014, at 7:42 AM, Alec McCandless <alecmccandless@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have a total weight, including trailer, sails, etc. for towing consideration for the M17? Anyone tow with a class one hitch? Class II? -Alec
Thomas: is that 1600# boat and #200 confirmed on a scale? On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Alec,
I weighed my 2004 twice and got 3000 pounds +/- 50 depending on the volume of gas and water, and whether a motor was on board. This is basically cruising weight. I have four opening bronze ports which raises the weight a few pounds above standard, and a furling headsail. Most people would use a class II hitch for safety margin and because cars equipted with factory class I hitches might not like the tongue weight of 300+ pounds.
On May 5, 2014, at 7:42 AM, Alec McCandless <alecmccandless@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have a total weight, including trailer, sails, etc. for towing consideration for the M17? Anyone tow with a class one hitch? Class II? -Alec
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
Hi Dave, No, it is the spec for the boat and how heavy my trailer is when I lift it. Very unscientific. I did tow it down her from Missouri on two very bad tires which together rated just about the exact weight stated in those specs. I figure one of them would have blown if the boat weighted anything like 3000#. Once I get it all back together I will have it weighed though. I have gone to load range C 14 inch tires and five lug rims. Each tire is rated 1760#. Feel a lot better about that. Tom On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas: is that 1600# boat and #200 confirmed on a scale?
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Alec,
I weighed my 2004 twice and got 3000 pounds +/- 50 depending on the volume of gas and water, and whether a motor was on board. This is basically cruising weight. I have four opening bronze ports which raises the weight a few pounds above standard, and a furling headsail. Most people would use a class II hitch for safety margin and because cars equipted with factory class I hitches might not like the tongue weight of 300+ pounds.
On May 5, 2014, at 7:42 AM, Alec McCandless <alecmccandless@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have a total weight, including trailer, sails, etc. for towing consideration for the M17? Anyone tow with a class one hitch? Class II? -Alec
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
We weighed the combined rig of '09 Ranger and M17 on a Pacific trailer. Outboard and inflatable dinghy were in the truck. All loaded for a 2 week cruise, except for 5 gal of water. Combined truck trailer weight was 7780 lbs. Boat and trailer only on the scale 3160 lbs Trailer hitched to the truck, and truck off the scale pad 2800 lbs. That last measurement gives the tongue weight of 360 lbs, or about 11.5 % of the towed weight. I was surprised at the boat/trailer weight until I thought about the trailer weight. The Pacific is a beefy trailer. Their on line brochure shows weight of a G17SN3 at 725lbs. Add another 50 lbs for the tongue extension and 50 lbs for the spare carrier and spare. Extended winch post and extra brace that I added is another 50 lbs of steel. (PO had bent the small original brace) So 875 lbs in my case. I can't believe we carry over 600 lbs on board. 3160 less trailer of 875 = 2285 less published boat weight of 1600(?) = 685lbs I think the build weight is could be 200 lbs more. Boat is a 2003. That still leaves 485lbs of gear. Here is a question. Does the calculated displacement/weight of the boat include mast, boom, sails rigging? Maybe JM or Bob can chime in on this. Was running down where the additional weight comes in from bow to stern. Just think about it. Bow pulpit Stainless bow line chocks Upgraded 8" bow cleats Masthead VHF antenna and cable 9 added turning blocks, cleats or pad eyes on the boom Added stainless rings to mast step for 4 turning blocks 2 double sheave deck organizers and 4 cam cleats on deck house Whisker pole and boat hook on deck house 2 anchors and chain. 10' feet on each Spare hardware box Tool box, or 2. Down to 1 now Tiller pilot Fire extinguisher Flare kit Fixed VHF Handheld vhf HandheldGPS Spare batteries for handhelds Galley dish box Single burner stove and 2 quarts of alcohol 5 gallons of gas in 2 cans Quart of oil Group 24 battery 2 stage battery charger DC and AC panels 30' shore power cord 3 x 100' lines 2 x 50' lines Dock lines 2 x Inflatable life jackets and spare cylinders Binoculars Boat cleaning gear Main, genoa, working jib, storm jib, ass'y spinnaker Spin tack line and fittings Jib downhaul and fittings Added stainless latches on 2 cockpit lockers Traveller Additional tackle/lines for back stay adjuster and topping lift Stern swim ladder Adj OB mount SS Fish pole mount for trolling Plastic folding cockpit table Inflatable cockpit cushions Cockpit canopy Companionway and forward hatch mosquito nets (weighted hems) Ugh!!! Make it stop! On second thought, no, it is all what we like to have aboard for safe sailing enjoyment while day sailing and independent cruising. Bring it on. Love sailing this boat. Now, about the menu and personal gear for 2 weeks :) Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622 Cambridge, ON We did and were surprised. Boat was loaded for a 2 week cruise. 5 gallons of gas, 24 cans of beer, 8 wine cartons, food for 2 people. All normal sailing gear, which for includes a 15lb claw, with 10 feet of chain, and a lighter Fortress, with same amount of chain. Lots of spare lines for tying into the coves of the North Channel. Two tool boxes, a spares box more than enough extra screws, bolts, nuts, blocks, shackles. Water not loaded and outboard in the back of the truck. Bill
On May 5, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Alec McCandless <alecmccandless@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have a total weight, including trailer, sails, etc. for towing consideration for the M17? Anyone tow with a class one hitch? Class II? -Alec
Bill, What are "spin tack and lines"? Nice list. Can't let my wife see that. She will freak at the cost of getting ours in the water. Tom B On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
We weighed the combined rig of '09 Ranger and M17 on a Pacific trailer. Outboard and inflatable dinghy were in the truck. All loaded for a 2 week cruise, except for 5 gal of water.
Combined truck trailer weight was 7780 lbs. Boat and trailer only on the scale 3160 lbs Trailer hitched to the truck, and truck off the scale pad 2800 lbs.
That last measurement gives the tongue weight of 360 lbs, or about 11.5 % of the towed weight.
I was surprised at the boat/trailer weight until I thought about the trailer weight. The Pacific is a beefy trailer. Their on line brochure shows weight of a G17SN3 at 725lbs. Add another 50 lbs for the tongue extension and 50 lbs for the spare carrier and spare. Extended winch post and extra brace that I added is another 50 lbs of steel. (PO had bent the small original brace) So 875 lbs in my case.
I can't believe we carry over 600 lbs on board.
3160 less trailer of 875 = 2285 less published boat weight of 1600(?) = 685lbs
I think the build weight is could be 200 lbs more. Boat is a 2003. That still leaves 485lbs of gear.
Here is a question. Does the calculated displacement/weight of the boat include mast, boom, sails rigging? Maybe JM or Bob can chime in on this.
Was running down where the additional weight comes in from bow to stern. Just think about it.
Bow pulpit Stainless bow line chocks Upgraded 8" bow cleats Masthead VHF antenna and cable 9 added turning blocks, cleats or pad eyes on the boom Added stainless rings to mast step for 4 turning blocks 2 double sheave deck organizers and 4 cam cleats on deck house Whisker pole and boat hook on deck house 2 anchors and chain. 10' feet on each Spare hardware box Tool box, or 2. Down to 1 now Tiller pilot Fire extinguisher Flare kit Fixed VHF Handheld vhf HandheldGPS Spare batteries for handhelds Galley dish box Single burner stove and 2 quarts of alcohol 5 gallons of gas in 2 cans Quart of oil Group 24 battery 2 stage battery charger DC and AC panels 30' shore power cord 3 x 100' lines 2 x 50' lines Dock lines 2 x Inflatable life jackets and spare cylinders Binoculars Boat cleaning gear Main, genoa, working jib, storm jib, ass'y spinnaker Spin tack line and fittings Jib downhaul and fittings Added stainless latches on 2 cockpit lockers Traveller Additional tackle/lines for back stay adjuster and topping lift Stern swim ladder Adj OB mount SS Fish pole mount for trolling Plastic folding cockpit table Inflatable cockpit cushions Cockpit canopy Companionway and forward hatch mosquito nets (weighted hems)
Ugh!!! Make it stop! On second thought, no, it is all what we like to have aboard for safe sailing enjoyment while day sailing and independent cruising. Bring it on. Love sailing this boat.
Now, about the menu and personal gear for 2 weeks :)
Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622
Cambridge, ON
We did and were surprised.
Boat was loaded for a 2 week cruise. 5 gallons of gas, 24 cans of beer, 8 wine cartons, food for 2 people. All normal sailing gear, which for includes a 15lb claw, with 10 feet of chain, and a lighter Fortress, with same amount of chain. Lots of spare lines for tying into the coves of the North Channel. Two tool boxes, a spares box more than enough extra screws, bolts, nuts, blocks, shackles. Water not loaded and outboard in the back of the truck.
Bill
On May 5, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Alec McCandless <alecmccandless@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have a total weight, including trailer, sails, etc. for towing consideration for the M17? Anyone tow with a class one hitch? Class II? -Alec
Tom, It cannot happen all at once. "Spin tack line and gear". The asymmetric spinnaker has an adjustable tack line, with a snap shackle to attach to the sail's tack. Line leads through a bullseye fair lead on the pulpit down to a turning block on the bow fitting. Aft to another fair lead on stbd handrail and to a cam cleat at the bulkhead. Bill
On May 6, 2014, at 12:29 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill, What are "spin tack and lines"? Nice list. Can't let my wife see that. She will freak at the cost of getting ours in the water. Tom B
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
We weighed the combined rig of '09 Ranger and M17 on a Pacific trailer. Outboard and inflatable dinghy were in the truck. All loaded for a 2 week cruise, except for 5 gal of water.
Combined truck trailer weight was 7780 lbs. Boat and trailer only on the scale 3160 lbs Trailer hitched to the truck, and truck off the scale pad 2800 lbs.
That last measurement gives the tongue weight of 360 lbs, or about 11.5 % of the towed weight.
I was surprised at the boat/trailer weight until I thought about the trailer weight. The Pacific is a beefy trailer. Their on line brochure shows weight of a G17SN3 at 725lbs. Add another 50 lbs for the tongue extension and 50 lbs for the spare carrier and spare. Extended winch post and extra brace that I added is another 50 lbs of steel. (PO had bent the small original brace) So 875 lbs in my case.
I can't believe we carry over 600 lbs on board.
3160 less trailer of 875 = 2285 less published boat weight of 1600(?) = 685lbs
I think the build weight is could be 200 lbs more. Boat is a 2003. That still leaves 485lbs of gear.
Here is a question. Does the calculated displacement/weight of the boat include mast, boom, sails rigging? Maybe JM or Bob can chime in on this.
Was running down where the additional weight comes in from bow to stern. Just think about it.
Bow pulpit Stainless bow line chocks Upgraded 8" bow cleats Masthead VHF antenna and cable 9 added turning blocks, cleats or pad eyes on the boom Added stainless rings to mast step for 4 turning blocks 2 double sheave deck organizers and 4 cam cleats on deck house Whisker pole and boat hook on deck house 2 anchors and chain. 10' feet on each Spare hardware box Tool box, or 2. Down to 1 now Tiller pilot Fire extinguisher Flare kit Fixed VHF Handheld vhf HandheldGPS Spare batteries for handhelds Galley dish box Single burner stove and 2 quarts of alcohol 5 gallons of gas in 2 cans Quart of oil Group 24 battery 2 stage battery charger DC and AC panels 30' shore power cord 3 x 100' lines 2 x 50' lines Dock lines 2 x Inflatable life jackets and spare cylinders Binoculars Boat cleaning gear Main, genoa, working jib, storm jib, ass'y spinnaker Spin tack line and fittings Jib downhaul and fittings Added stainless latches on 2 cockpit lockers Traveller Additional tackle/lines for back stay adjuster and topping lift Stern swim ladder Adj OB mount SS Fish pole mount for trolling Plastic folding cockpit table Inflatable cockpit cushions Cockpit canopy Companionway and forward hatch mosquito nets (weighted hems)
Ugh!!! Make it stop! On second thought, no, it is all what we like to have aboard for safe sailing enjoyment while day sailing and independent cruising. Bring it on. Love sailing this boat.
Now, about the menu and personal gear for 2 weeks :)
Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622
Cambridge, ON
We did and were surprised.
Boat was loaded for a 2 week cruise. 5 gallons of gas, 24 cans of beer, 8 wine cartons, food for 2 people. All normal sailing gear, which for includes a 15lb claw, with 10 feet of chain, and a lighter Fortress, with same amount of chain. Lots of spare lines for tying into the coves of the North Channel. Two tool boxes, a spares box more than enough extra screws, bolts, nuts, blocks, shackles. Water not loaded and outboard in the back of the truck.
Bill
On May 5, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Alec McCandless <alecmccandless@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have a total weight, including trailer, sails, etc. for towing consideration for the M17? Anyone tow with a class one hitch? Class II? -Alec
Bill, Does an asymmetric require a pole? The largest sail I have ever flown relative to the size of the boat was a jenniker, a lightweight nylon jib of about 180% foretriangle. I guess I like the idea of at least two points of the triangle attached to something immoveable. Thanks for the info. Tom B On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom,
It cannot happen all at once.
"Spin tack line and gear". The asymmetric spinnaker has an adjustable tack line, with a snap shackle to attach to the sail's tack. Line leads through a bullseye fair lead on the pulpit down to a turning block on the bow fitting. Aft to another fair lead on stbd handrail and to a cam cleat at the bulkhead.
Bill
On May 6, 2014, at 12:29 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill, What are "spin tack and lines"? Nice list. Can't let my wife see that. She will freak at the cost of getting ours in the water. Tom B
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
We weighed the combined rig of '09 Ranger and M17 on a Pacific trailer. Outboard and inflatable dinghy were in the truck. All loaded for a 2 week cruise, except for 5 gal of water.
Combined truck trailer weight was 7780 lbs. Boat and trailer only on the scale 3160 lbs Trailer hitched to the truck, and truck off the scale pad 2800 lbs.
That last measurement gives the tongue weight of 360 lbs, or about 11.5 % of the towed weight.
I was surprised at the boat/trailer weight until I thought about the trailer weight. The Pacific is a beefy trailer. Their on line brochure shows weight of a G17SN3 at 725lbs. Add another 50 lbs for the tongue extension and 50 lbs for the spare carrier and spare. Extended winch post and extra brace that I added is another 50 lbs of steel. (PO had bent the small original brace) So 875 lbs in my case.
I can't believe we carry over 600 lbs on board.
3160 less trailer of 875 = 2285 less published boat weight of 1600(?) = 685lbs
I think the build weight is could be 200 lbs more. Boat is a 2003. That still leaves 485lbs of gear.
Here is a question. Does the calculated displacement/weight of the boat include mast, boom, sails rigging? Maybe JM or Bob can chime in on this.
Was running down where the additional weight comes in from bow to stern. Just think about it.
Bow pulpit Stainless bow line chocks Upgraded 8" bow cleats Masthead VHF antenna and cable 9 added turning blocks, cleats or pad eyes on the boom Added stainless rings to mast step for 4 turning blocks 2 double sheave deck organizers and 4 cam cleats on deck house Whisker pole and boat hook on deck house 2 anchors and chain. 10' feet on each Spare hardware box Tool box, or 2. Down to 1 now Tiller pilot Fire extinguisher Flare kit Fixed VHF Handheld vhf HandheldGPS Spare batteries for handhelds Galley dish box Single burner stove and 2 quarts of alcohol 5 gallons of gas in 2 cans Quart of oil Group 24 battery 2 stage battery charger DC and AC panels 30' shore power cord 3 x 100' lines 2 x 50' lines Dock lines 2 x Inflatable life jackets and spare cylinders Binoculars Boat cleaning gear Main, genoa, working jib, storm jib, ass'y spinnaker Spin tack line and fittings Jib downhaul and fittings Added stainless latches on 2 cockpit lockers Traveller Additional tackle/lines for back stay adjuster and topping lift Stern swim ladder Adj OB mount SS Fish pole mount for trolling Plastic folding cockpit table Inflatable cockpit cushions Cockpit canopy Companionway and forward hatch mosquito nets (weighted hems)
Ugh!!! Make it stop! On second thought, no, it is all what we like to have aboard for safe sailing enjoyment while day sailing and independent cruising. Bring it on. Love sailing this boat.
Now, about the menu and personal gear for 2 weeks :)
Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622
Cambridge, ON
We did and were surprised.
Boat was loaded for a 2 week cruise. 5 gallons of gas, 24 cans of beer, 8 wine cartons, food for 2 people. All normal sailing gear, which for includes a 15lb claw, with 10 feet of chain, and a lighter Fortress, with same amount of chain. Lots of spare lines for tying into the coves of the North Channel. Two tool boxes, a spares box more than enough extra screws, bolts, nuts, blocks, shackles. Water not loaded and outboard in the back of the truck.
Bill
On May 5, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Alec McCandless < alecmccandless@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have a total weight, including trailer, sails, etc. for towing consideration for the M17? Anyone tow with a class one hitch? Class II? -Alec
Tom, No pole, but not so good dead down wind either. Very long sheets as well, since we gybe it outside of the forestay. Bill
On May 6, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill, Does an asymmetric require a pole? The largest sail I have ever flown relative to the size of the boat was a jenniker, a lightweight nylon jib of about 180% foretriangle. I guess I like the idea of at least two points of the triangle attached to something immoveable. Thanks for the info. Tom B
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom,
It cannot happen all at once.
"Spin tack line and gear". The asymmetric spinnaker has an adjustable tack line, with a snap shackle to attach to the sail's tack. Line leads through a bullseye fair lead on the pulpit down to a turning block on the bow fitting. Aft to another fair lead on stbd handrail and to a cam cleat at the bulkhead.
Bill
On May 6, 2014, at 12:29 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill, What are "spin tack and lines"? Nice list. Can't let my wife see that. She will freak at the cost of getting ours in the water. Tom B
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
We weighed the combined rig of '09 Ranger and M17 on a Pacific trailer. Outboard and inflatable dinghy were in the truck. All loaded for a 2 week cruise, except for 5 gal of water.
Combined truck trailer weight was 7780 lbs. Boat and trailer only on the scale 3160 lbs Trailer hitched to the truck, and truck off the scale pad 2800 lbs.
That last measurement gives the tongue weight of 360 lbs, or about 11.5 % of the towed weight.
I was surprised at the boat/trailer weight until I thought about the trailer weight. The Pacific is a beefy trailer. Their on line brochure shows weight of a G17SN3 at 725lbs. Add another 50 lbs for the tongue extension and 50 lbs for the spare carrier and spare. Extended winch post and extra brace that I added is another 50 lbs of steel. (PO had bent the small original brace) So 875 lbs in my case.
I can't believe we carry over 600 lbs on board.
3160 less trailer of 875 = 2285 less published boat weight of 1600(?) = 685lbs
I think the build weight is could be 200 lbs more. Boat is a 2003. That still leaves 485lbs of gear.
Here is a question. Does the calculated displacement/weight of the boat include mast, boom, sails rigging? Maybe JM or Bob can chime in on this.
Was running down where the additional weight comes in from bow to stern. Just think about it.
Bow pulpit Stainless bow line chocks Upgraded 8" bow cleats Masthead VHF antenna and cable 9 added turning blocks, cleats or pad eyes on the boom Added stainless rings to mast step for 4 turning blocks 2 double sheave deck organizers and 4 cam cleats on deck house Whisker pole and boat hook on deck house 2 anchors and chain. 10' feet on each Spare hardware box Tool box, or 2. Down to 1 now Tiller pilot Fire extinguisher Flare kit Fixed VHF Handheld vhf HandheldGPS Spare batteries for handhelds Galley dish box Single burner stove and 2 quarts of alcohol 5 gallons of gas in 2 cans Quart of oil Group 24 battery 2 stage battery charger DC and AC panels 30' shore power cord 3 x 100' lines 2 x 50' lines Dock lines 2 x Inflatable life jackets and spare cylinders Binoculars Boat cleaning gear Main, genoa, working jib, storm jib, ass'y spinnaker Spin tack line and fittings Jib downhaul and fittings Added stainless latches on 2 cockpit lockers Traveller Additional tackle/lines for back stay adjuster and topping lift Stern swim ladder Adj OB mount SS Fish pole mount for trolling Plastic folding cockpit table Inflatable cockpit cushions Cockpit canopy Companionway and forward hatch mosquito nets (weighted hems)
Ugh!!! Make it stop! On second thought, no, it is all what we like to have aboard for safe sailing enjoyment while day sailing and independent cruising. Bring it on. Love sailing this boat.
Now, about the menu and personal gear for 2 weeks :)
Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622
Cambridge, ON
We did and were surprised.
Boat was loaded for a 2 week cruise. 5 gallons of gas, 24 cans of beer, 8 wine cartons, food for 2 people. All normal sailing gear, which for includes a 15lb claw, with 10 feet of chain, and a lighter Fortress, with same amount of chain. Lots of spare lines for tying into the coves of the North Channel. Two tool boxes, a spares box more than enough extra screws, bolts, nuts, blocks, shackles. Water not loaded and outboard in the back of the truck.
Bill
On May 5, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Alec McCandless < alecmccandless@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have a total weight, including trailer, sails, etc. for towing consideration for the M17? Anyone tow with a class one hitch? Class II? -Alec
Bill, I had the jenniker on a Pacific Seacraft 20 (Flicka) and it pulled like a plow horse all the way down to a close reach. A bit too much for anything over about ten knots though. Tom On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom,
No pole, but not so good dead down wind either.
Very long sheets as well, since we gybe it outside of the forestay.
Bill
On May 6, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill, Does an asymmetric require a pole? The largest sail I have ever flown relative to the size of the boat was a jenniker, a lightweight nylon jib of about 180% foretriangle. I guess I like the idea of at least two points of the triangle attached to something immoveable. Thanks for the info. Tom B
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom,
It cannot happen all at once.
"Spin tack line and gear". The asymmetric spinnaker has an adjustable tack line, with a snap shackle to attach to the sail's tack. Line leads through a bullseye fair lead on the pulpit down to a turning block on the bow fitting. Aft to another fair lead on stbd handrail and to a cam cleat at the bulkhead.
Bill
On May 6, 2014, at 12:29 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill, What are "spin tack and lines"? Nice list. Can't let my wife see that. She will freak at the cost of getting ours in the water. Tom B
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
We weighed the combined rig of '09 Ranger and M17 on a Pacific trailer. Outboard and inflatable dinghy were in the truck. All loaded for a 2 week cruise, except for 5 gal of water.
Combined truck trailer weight was 7780 lbs. Boat and trailer only on the scale 3160 lbs Trailer hitched to the truck, and truck off the scale pad 2800 lbs.
That last measurement gives the tongue weight of 360 lbs, or about 11.5 % of the towed weight.
I was surprised at the boat/trailer weight until I thought about the trailer weight. The Pacific is a beefy trailer. Their on line brochure shows weight of a G17SN3 at 725lbs. Add another 50 lbs for the tongue extension and 50 lbs for the spare carrier and spare. Extended winch post and extra brace that I added is another 50 lbs of steel. (PO had bent the small original brace) So 875 lbs in my case.
I can't believe we carry over 600 lbs on board.
3160 less trailer of 875 = 2285 less published boat weight of 1600(?) = 685lbs
I think the build weight is could be 200 lbs more. Boat is a 2003. That still leaves 485lbs of gear.
Here is a question. Does the calculated displacement/weight of the boat include mast, boom, sails rigging? Maybe JM or Bob can chime in on this.
Was running down where the additional weight comes in from bow to stern. Just think about it.
Bow pulpit Stainless bow line chocks Upgraded 8" bow cleats Masthead VHF antenna and cable 9 added turning blocks, cleats or pad eyes on the boom Added stainless rings to mast step for 4 turning blocks 2 double sheave deck organizers and 4 cam cleats on deck house Whisker pole and boat hook on deck house 2 anchors and chain. 10' feet on each Spare hardware box Tool box, or 2. Down to 1 now Tiller pilot Fire extinguisher Flare kit Fixed VHF Handheld vhf HandheldGPS Spare batteries for handhelds Galley dish box Single burner stove and 2 quarts of alcohol 5 gallons of gas in 2 cans Quart of oil Group 24 battery 2 stage battery charger DC and AC panels 30' shore power cord 3 x 100' lines 2 x 50' lines Dock lines 2 x Inflatable life jackets and spare cylinders Binoculars Boat cleaning gear Main, genoa, working jib, storm jib, ass'y spinnaker Spin tack line and fittings Jib downhaul and fittings Added stainless latches on 2 cockpit lockers Traveller Additional tackle/lines for back stay adjuster and topping lift Stern swim ladder Adj OB mount SS Fish pole mount for trolling Plastic folding cockpit table Inflatable cockpit cushions Cockpit canopy Companionway and forward hatch mosquito nets (weighted hems)
Ugh!!! Make it stop! On second thought, no, it is all what we like to have aboard for safe sailing enjoyment while day sailing and independent cruising. Bring it on. Love sailing this boat.
Now, about the menu and personal gear for 2 weeks :)
Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622
Cambridge, ON
We did and were surprised.
Boat was loaded for a 2 week cruise. 5 gallons of gas, 24 cans of beer, 8 wine cartons, food for 2 people. All normal sailing gear, which for includes a 15lb claw, with 10 feet of chain, and a lighter Fortress, with same amount of chain. Lots of spare lines for tying into the coves of the North Channel. Two tool boxes, a spares box more than enough extra screws, bolts, nuts, blocks, shackles. Water not loaded and outboard in the back of the truck.
Bill
> On May 5, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Alec McCandless < alecmccandless@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have a total weight, including trailer, sails, etc. for towing consideration for the M17? Anyone tow with a class one hitch? Class II? -Alec
On 05-May-14 11:29 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Hi Bill, You're right on target with your list. However, you forgot to add: -bedding -pillows - clothing -radio / CD player with supply of CDs - food / beer / wine - dishes / cups / glasses - flags / flag staff / burgee - fenders - books / reading material / writing materials - ditty bag with material for sail repairs / for whipping the ends of lines, etc.(sailor's palm / fid / waxed twine / bees wax cake / sailors needles) - boat hook &/or whisker pole - lead line - good sharp sheath knife to cut lines in a hurry if needed. - and did you consider a separate tool box for trailer bearings / and tools for installing them / a bottle jack / 3/4" plywood piece so that you can jack up the trailer on a soft road shoulder / long-handled lug wrench that will move rusted hub bolts - if you haven't greased them with waterproof grease? On our old 29-footer, Katrina and I used to laugh when we loaded or unloaded the boat. The piles of "stuff" that would emerge and that would have to be carried to the boat or back home were the equivalent of moving a three room apartment twice a year. Connie & Katrina PS. Don't forget a little spiral note pad so that you can write down what you want to bring to the boat next week - or what needs repairing. If it is written down, and you can put it in your shirt pocket, you won't forget it. ...... like the time we were invited to sail to Block Island on a friend's bigger boat, and when we arrived at the dock I found that I had left my sail bag with my clothes at home.... Have you ever tried to buy underwear at the General Store on Block Island? They have Tee shirts / bathing suits / post cards / beach toys / and geegaws, but no underwear.
Bill, What are "spin tack and lines"? Nice list. Can't let my wife see that. She will freak at the cost of getting ours in the water. Tom B
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
We weighed the combined rig of '09 Ranger and M17 on a Pacific trailer. Outboard and inflatable dinghy were in the truck. All loaded for a 2 week cruise, except for 5 gal of water.
Combined truck trailer weight was 7780 lbs. Boat and trailer only on the scale 3160 lbs Trailer hitched to the truck, and truck off the scale pad 2800 lbs.
That last measurement gives the tongue weight of 360 lbs, or about 11.5 % of the towed weight.
I was surprised at the boat/trailer weight until I thought about the trailer weight. The Pacific is a beefy trailer. Their on line brochure shows weight of a G17SN3 at 725lbs. Add another 50 lbs for the tongue extension and 50 lbs for the spare carrier and spare. Extended winch post and extra brace that I added is another 50 lbs of steel. (PO had bent the small original brace) So 875 lbs in my case.
I can't believe we carry over 600 lbs on board.
3160 less trailer of 875 = 2285 less published boat weight of 1600(?) = 685lbs
I think the build weight is could be 200 lbs more. Boat is a 2003. That still leaves 485lbs of gear.
Here is a question. Does the calculated displacement/weight of the boat include mast, boom, sails rigging? Maybe JM or Bob can chime in on this.
Was running down where the additional weight comes in from bow to stern. Just think about it.
Bow pulpit Stainless bow line chocks Upgraded 8" bow cleats Masthead VHF antenna and cable 9 added turning blocks, cleats or pad eyes on the boom Added stainless rings to mast step for 4 turning blocks 2 double sheave deck organizers and 4 cam cleats on deck house Whisker pole and boat hook on deck house 2 anchors and chain. 10' feet on each Spare hardware box Tool box, or 2. Down to 1 now Tiller pilot Fire extinguisher Flare kit Fixed VHF Handheld vhf HandheldGPS Spare batteries for handhelds Galley dish box Single burner stove and 2 quarts of alcohol 5 gallons of gas in 2 cans Quart of oil Group 24 battery 2 stage battery charger DC and AC panels 30' shore power cord 3 x 100' lines 2 x 50' lines Dock lines 2 x Inflatable life jackets and spare cylinders Binoculars Boat cleaning gear Main, genoa, working jib, storm jib, ass'y spinnaker Spin tack line and fittings Jib downhaul and fittings Added stainless latches on 2 cockpit lockers Traveller Additional tackle/lines for back stay adjuster and topping lift Stern swim ladder Adj OB mount SS Fish pole mount for trolling Plastic folding cockpit table Inflatable cockpit cushions Cockpit canopy Companionway and forward hatch mosquito nets (weighted hems)
Ugh!!! Make it stop! On second thought, no, it is all what we like to have aboard for safe sailing enjoyment while day sailing and independent cruising. Bring it on. Love sailing this boat.
Now, about the menu and personal gear for 2 weeks :)
Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622
Cambridge, ON
We did and were surprised.
Boat was loaded for a 2 week cruise. 5 gallons of gas, 24 cans of beer, 8 wine cartons, food for 2 people. All normal sailing gear, which for includes a 15lb claw, with 10 feet of chain, and a lighter Fortress, with same amount of chain. Lots of spare lines for tying into the coves of the North Channel. Two tool boxes, a spares box more than enough extra screws, bolts, nuts, blocks, shackles. Water not loaded and outboard in the back of the truck.
Bill
On May 5, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Alec McCandless <alecmccandless@gmail.com> wrote: Does anyone have a total weight, including trailer, sails, etc. for towing consideration for the M17? Anyone tow with a class one hitch? Class II? -Alec
Hello Connie, Lists are great aren't they? And still we can miss something. So at Block, did you wear flip flops and a T shirt, or go for the gee-gaw look? ;) Bill
On May 6, 2014, at 11:32 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bill,
You're right on target with your list.
However, you forgot to add:
On 06-May-14 12:21 PM, Bill Wickett wrote Hi Bill, Not finding underwear, I bought swim trunks and a Tee shirt that had a picture of the New Harbor of Block Island on it. The gee-gaw look is for the day-tripper visitors that arrive on the ferry from Point Judith, RI. They are instantly recognizable after a few hours, by their excessive sunburns from lying on the beach............. Ciao, Connie
Hello Connie,
Lists are great aren't they? And still we can miss something.
So at Block, did you wear flip flops and a T shirt, or go for the gee-gaw look? ;)
Bill
On May 6, 2014, at 11:32 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bill,
You're right on target with your list.
However, you forgot to add:
LOL
On May 6, 2014, at 2:50 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 06-May-14 12:21 PM, Bill Wickett wrote
Hi Bill,
Not finding underwear, I bought swim trunks and a Tee shirt that had a picture of the New Harbor of Block Island on it.
The gee-gaw look is for the day-tripper visitors that arrive on the ferry from Point Judith, RI. They are instantly recognizable after a few hours, by their excessive sunburns from lying on the beach.............
Ciao,
Connie
Hello Connie,
Lists are great aren't they? And still we can miss something.
So at Block, did you wear flip flops and a T shirt, or go for the gee-gaw look? ;)
Bill
On May 6, 2014, at 11:32 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bill,
You're right on target with your list.
However, you forgot to add:
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