After almost a two month wait thinking about it and almost having a sailing trip to Yellowstone cut short due to a fraying shroud, I am about to order new rigging from Morrison Marine in Rancho Cordova. As far as I know, my Montgomery 15 is rigged okay. So I planned on getting the new rigging essentially just like the old. Before I do though, I thought I would check with the group again to see if there is anything I am missing. I took the old rigging off the boat then, for each piece, put one end over a nail, pulled on the cable to put it under some tension, made a mark where the other end fell, and then measured it with a tape. The measurements I got were forestay 185 11/16 inches, port shroud 185 13/16 inches, and starboard shroud 185 7/8 inches. The bottom ends of each have a stainless fitting and the tops have nicopress-type swagings with the cable wrapped around what I would call a thimble. The shrouds have two swagings at the top but the forestay only has one. These are the things I am wondering if the group has any comments about: 1. The three pieces are all of slightly different lengths but I don't think that is intentional. Also, when attaching the forestay when putting up the mast, as well as when sailing around, I don't get the impression tension or exact lengths are extremely critical. I plan on asking for all three pieces to be made the same length, 185 3/4 inches in my case. 2. I don't understand why the forestay would be swaged differently from the shrouds. Even though the forestay attaches inside the mast, at least one swaging will need to fit through the slot (and does) so two should fit too. It seems more sensible for the three to be assembled the same way. Thoughts on these or anything else? Thanks, as always, for the help and wisdom. David Grah Montgomery 15 Bishop California
Dave, Do I understand correctly that you are planning to tow your M-15 from California to Yellowstone? Next year? The 2013 summer season in Yellowstone will be turning to a short autumn, then a long winter soon. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Grah" <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:06 PM Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Rigging Again After almost a two month wait thinking about it and almost having a sailing trip to Yellowstone cut short due to a fraying shroud, I am about to order new rigging from Morrison Marine in Rancho Cordova. As far as I know, my Montgomery 15 is rigged okay. So I planned on getting the new rigging essentially just like the old. Before I do though, I thought I would check with the group again to see if there is anything I am missing. I took the old rigging off the boat then, for each piece, put one end over a nail, pulled on the cable to put it under some tension, made a mark where the other end fell, and then measured it with a tape. The measurements I got were forestay 185 11/16 inches, port shroud 185 13/16 inches, and starboard shroud 185 7/8 inches. The bottom ends of each have a stainless fitting and the tops have nicopress-type swagings with the cable wrapped around what I would call a thimble. The shrouds have two swagings at the top but the forestay only has one. These are the things I am wondering if the group has any comments about: 1. The three pieces are all of slightly different lengths but I don't think that is intentional. Also, when attaching the forestay when putting up the mast, as well as when sailing around, I don't get the impression tension or exact lengths are extremely critical. I plan on asking for all three pieces to be made the same length, 185 3/4 inches in my case. 2. I don't understand why the forestay would be swaged differently from the shrouds. Even though the forestay attaches inside the mast, at least one swaging will need to fit through the slot (and does) so two should fit too. It seems more sensible for the three to be assembled the same way. Thoughts on these or anything else? Thanks, as always, for the help and wisdom. David Grah Montgomery 15 Bishop California
David, I would get them all the same length. 185 3/4 inches. That little amount of difference can be taken up with the turnbuckles. They should all be made up the same as they are essentially doing the same thing. Supporting the mast by forming a tripod. I would guess you would be eliminating just another chance of the standing rigging being made incorrectly if you sent off three different dimensions. The guy at the other end making them up doesn't have to think much about just one dimension. May as well check all your clevis and cotter pins while you are at it. Including the ones holding your spreaders to the mast. Yellowstone is a beautiful park. I have spent several vacations there though have yet to put a boat on Jenny Lake. The Titons should look terrific from the water. Sounds like a great trip. Make sure your spares, both car and trailer, have air in them also. Fair winds, Tom B M-17, #258 On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:06 PM, David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> wrote:
After almost a two month wait thinking about it and almost having a sailing trip to Yellowstone cut short due to a fraying shroud, I am about to order new rigging from Morrison Marine in Rancho Cordova.
As far as I know, my Montgomery 15 is rigged okay. So I planned on getting the new rigging essentially just like the old. Before I do though, I thought I would check with the group again to see if there is anything I am missing.
I took the old rigging off the boat then, for each piece, put one end over a nail, pulled on the cable to put it under some tension, made a mark where the other end fell, and then measured it with a tape. The measurements I got were forestay 185 11/16 inches, port shroud 185 13/16 inches, and starboard shroud 185 7/8 inches. The bottom ends of each have a stainless fitting and the tops have nicopress-type swagings with the cable wrapped around what I would call a thimble. The shrouds have two swagings at the top but the forestay only has one.
These are the things I am wondering if the group has any comments about:
1. The three pieces are all of slightly different lengths but I don't think that is intentional. Also, when attaching the forestay when putting up the mast, as well as when sailing around, I don't get the impression tension or exact lengths are extremely critical. I plan on asking for all three pieces to be made the same length, 185 3/4 inches in my case.
2. I don't understand why the forestay would be swaged differently from the shrouds. Even though the forestay attaches inside the mast, at least one swaging will need to fit through the slot (and does) so two should fit too. It seems more sensible for the three to be assembled the same way.
Thoughts on these or anything else? Thanks, as always, for the help and wisdom.
David Grah Montgomery 15 Bishop California
Hi David, I live in Jackson Hole, and sail my M17 on Jackson Lake. It is a beautiful place to sail. The lake is down to about 25% .capacity , but is still a wonderful but challenging lake. The wind is fairly irregular with occasional afternoon thunderstorms. Things can get exciting then. There is no sailing on Jenny Lake. Feel free to call me if you get here. I'll be in California myself till Sept 13. Doug Vogel 307-730-2971
My name is David Schuster, have a M17, and live in Lander, WY. We are about a 3 hour drive to Jackson Lake and have sailed the lake several time. Yellowstone lake is a Great Lake to sail and we sail it more often then Jackson Lake. Main reason being at Yellowstone you don't have to put up with all the kid from Jackson Hole who, using their daddy's speed boat to party on the lake. At times it can get annoying. Yellowstone is quite and no one on it but a few kayaks. One of the best places to sail. Put in at a Grant Village, great place. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Doug Vogel <shadowmt@earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi David,
I live in Jackson Hole, and sail my M17 on Jackson Lake. It is a beautiful place to sail. The lake is down to about 25% .capacity , but is still a wonderful but challenging lake. The wind is fairly irregular with occasional afternoon thunderstorms. Things can get exciting then. There is no sailing on Jenny Lake. Feel free to call me if you get here. I'll be in California myself till Sept 13.
Doug Vogel 307-730-2971
David, I haven't sailed in your area, but I know what you mean about kids in their daddy's speed boat, they are the bane of small sailboats. Kids in their daddy's speed boats are also a problem on the Willamette River in Portland, Oregon, and I will bet they are a problem on many waters. There is a Police Harbor Patrol on South Puget Sound with a boat and jurisdiction to give out tickets when a ticket is appropriate, maybe similar agencies would help in other areas. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Schuster" <davids@mmfcpa.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 5:51 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sailing in Yellowstone My name is David Schuster, have a M17, and live in Lander, WY. We are about a 3 hour drive to Jackson Lake and have sailed the lake several time. Yellowstone lake is a Great Lake to sail and we sail it more often then Jackson Lake. Main reason being at Yellowstone you don't have to put up with all the kid from Jackson Hole who, using their daddy's speed boat to party on the lake. At times it can get annoying. Yellowstone is quite and no one on it but a few kayaks. One of the best places to sail. Put in at a Grant Village, great place. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Doug Vogel <shadowmt@earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi David,
I live in Jackson Hole, and sail my M17 on Jackson Lake. It is a beautiful place to sail. The lake is down to about 25% .capacity , but is still a wonderful but challenging lake. The wind is fairly irregular with occasional afternoon thunderstorms. Things can get exciting then. There is no sailing on Jenny Lake. Feel free to call me if you get here. I'll be in California myself till Sept 13.
Doug Vogel 307-730-2971
I would guess there is a national park ranger trying to enforce the regs on Jackson Lake but they are spread so thin because of funding. In fact at Jackson Lake they don't even enforce the national park boat registration fees. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2013, at 10:00 AM, "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
David, I haven't sailed in your area, but I know what you mean about kids in their daddy's speed boat, they are the bane of small sailboats. Kids in their daddy's speed boats are also a problem on the Willamette River in Portland, Oregon, and I will bet they are a problem on many waters. There is a Police Harbor Patrol on South Puget Sound with a boat and jurisdiction to give out tickets when a ticket is appropriate, maybe similar agencies would help in other areas. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Schuster" <davids@mmfcpa.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 5:51 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sailing in Yellowstone
My name is David Schuster, have a M17, and live in Lander, WY. We are about a 3 hour drive to Jackson Lake and have sailed the lake several time. Yellowstone lake is a Great Lake to sail and we sail it more often then Jackson Lake. Main reason being at Yellowstone you don't have to put up with all the kid from Jackson Hole who, using their daddy's speed boat to party on the lake. At times it can get annoying. Yellowstone is quite and no one on it but a few kayaks. One of the best places to sail. Put in at a Grant Village, great place.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Doug Vogel <shadowmt@earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi David,
I live in Jackson Hole, and sail my M17 on Jackson Lake. It is a beautiful place to sail. The lake is down to about 25% .capacity , but is still a wonderful but challenging lake. The wind is fairly irregular with occasional afternoon thunderstorms. Things can get exciting then. There is no sailing on Jenny Lake. Feel free to call me if you get here. I'll be in California myself till Sept 13.
Doug Vogel 307-730-2971
On 30-Aug-13 1:02 PM, David Schuster wrote: Hi Gang, The Connecticut coastal areas are just as bad, and were the main reason why we finally sold our " big" boat and went trailerable. Thelast straw came when we were in a very narrow channel; sails down and furled, engine running, with a short way to go to reach the Mystic River. We were passed by two yahoos in 40 foot power boats going full bore ~ 20 knots+ , in a No Wake zone, who passed us - one to port and the other to starboard. We were the ham in their powerboat sandwich. Their wakes rolled us from gunwale to gunwale, with water on the deck. Katrina was brewing some coffee in the galley, with a Melitta filter perched on top of the coffee pot, and had just poured some more hot water in the filter. Katrina was scalded as everything went flying from the galley counter, and the whole cabin interior was covered in coffee; coffee grounds, with the coffee pot and filter rolling around on the cabin sole. We were tired of being slalom poles for this ever growing mob of motorized idiots, so our solution was to down-size and go where peace and quiet could still be found; places like Lake Champlain, Moosehead Lake in Maine, and a few other quiet sanctuaries. All Hail an M15! Defeat the Bastards! Ciao and Happy Sailing, Connie & Katrina ex M15 #400 LEPPO
I would guess there is a national park ranger trying to enforce the regs on Jackson Lake but they are spread so thin because of funding. In fact at Jackson Lake they don't even enforce the national park boat registration fees.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 30, 2013, at 10:00 AM, "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
David, I haven't sailed in your area, but I know what you mean about kids in their daddy's speed boat, they are the bane of small sailboats. Kids in their daddy's speed boats are also a problem on the Willamette River in Portland, Oregon, and I will bet they are a problem on many waters. There is a Police Harbor Patrol on South Puget Sound with a boat and jurisdiction to give out tickets when a ticket is appropriate, maybe similar agencies would help in other areas. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Schuster" <davids@mmfcpa.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 5:51 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sailing in Yellowstone
My name is David Schuster, have a M17, and live in Lander, WY. We are about a 3 hour drive to Jackson Lake and have sailed the lake several time. Yellowstone lake is a Great Lake to sail and we sail it more often then Jackson Lake. Main reason being at Yellowstone you don't have to put up with all the kid from Jackson Hole who, using their daddy's speed boat to party on the lake. At times it can get annoying. Yellowstone is quite and no one on it but a few kayaks. One of the best places to sail. Put in at a Grant Village, great place.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Doug Vogel <shadowmt@earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi David,
I live in Jackson Hole, and sail my M17 on Jackson Lake. It is a beautiful place to sail. The lake is down to about 25% .capacity , but is still a wonderful but challenging lake. The wind is fairly irregular with occasional afternoon thunderstorms. Things can get exciting then. There is no sailing on Jenny Lake. Feel free to call me if you get here. I'll be in California myself till Sept 13.
Doug Vogel 307-730-2971
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