Having just bought a M-15 from 1980, I am wondering if the rudder that I have is the right length and weight. This one is made of teak, solid teak over an inch thick. What is the length of the standard rudder for a M-15 and it will be used for cruising and day sailing, not racing if that makes a difference. I sure appreciate the combined knowledge and experience of this group. I saw it in action today in regards to another issue that came up here. Thanks. Doug M-15, 1980
Doug: If the rudder was made by Jerry it should be mahogany. As I've no access to a M15 will need to have another person report the measurements or Jerry will comment. Being short is more of an issue than long. Jerry designed the boat to have a good amount of rudder depth. 'about 1" thick is likely close to correct for a M15/17 width/cord. Next is shape. Jerry is pretty particular that shape is correct. See - http://www.sagemarine.com/SCA_articles/SCA_pdf/smalltalk_55.pdf (Link will open a PDF) Rudder shape should be an NACA0012. Using a poorly shaped or matched rudder to the boat will make the boat sail POORLY! A poorly sailing boat is one that isn't going to be used. This is also why your boat should also have sails that are not work out - if the sails on your boat are original or older than 10 years it is time for new ones! #1 reason most boats sail poorly is blown out sails! :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 9:06 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Having just bought a M-15 from 1980, I am wondering if the rudder that I have is the right length and weight. This one is made of teak, solid teak over an inch thick. What is the length of the standard rudder for a M-15 and it will be used for cruising and day sailing, not racing if that makes a difference. I sure appreciate the combined knowledge and experience of this group. I saw it in action today in regards to another issue that came up here. Thanks.
Doug M-15, 1980
This rudder is solid one piece of teak. It is shaped but no idea if its the right shape. Guess I need to run into another M15 owner and compare rudders. Wait, that doesn't sound right!! Sent from BlueMail On Jun 20, 2018, 2:45 PM, at 2:45 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Doug:
If the rudder was made by Jerry it should be mahogany. As I've no access to a M15 will need to have another person report the measurements or Jerry will comment.
Being short is more of an issue than long. Jerry designed the boat to have a good amount of rudder depth. 'about 1" thick is likely close to correct for a M15/17 width/cord.
Next is shape. Jerry is pretty particular that shape is correct. See -
http://www.sagemarine.com/SCA_articles/SCA_pdf/smalltalk_55.pdf
(Link will open a PDF)
Rudder shape should be an NACA0012.
Using a poorly shaped or matched rudder to the boat will make the boat sail POORLY! A poorly sailing boat is one that isn't going to be used. This is also why your boat should also have sails that are not work out - if the sails on your boat are original or older than 10 years it is time for new ones! #1 reason most boats sail poorly is blown out sails!
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 9:06 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Having just bought a M-15 from 1980, I am wondering if the rudder that I have is the right length and weight. This one is made of teak, solid teak over an inch thick. What is the length of the standard rudder for a M-15 and it will be used for cruising and day sailing, not racing if that makes a difference. I sure appreciate the combined knowledge and experience of this group. I saw it in action today in regards to another issue that came up here. Thanks.
Doug M-15, 1980
Our Rudders on our new M 15s are mahogany and 42 inches overall length. The same as Jerry’s specification. They work well. Bob Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2018, at 1:55 PM, Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
This rudder is solid one piece of teak. It is shaped but no idea if its the right shape. Guess I need to run into another M15 owner and compare rudders. Wait, that doesn't sound right!!
Sent from BlueMail
On Jun 20, 2018, 2:45 PM, at 2:45 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote: Doug:
If the rudder was made by Jerry it should be mahogany. As I've no access to a M15 will need to have another person report the measurements or Jerry will comment.
Being short is more of an issue than long. Jerry designed the boat to have a good amount of rudder depth. 'about 1" thick is likely close to correct for a M15/17 width/cord.
Next is shape. Jerry is pretty particular that shape is correct. See -
http://www.sagemarine.com/SCA_articles/SCA_pdf/smalltalk_55.pdf
(Link will open a PDF)
Rudder shape should be an NACA0012.
Using a poorly shaped or matched rudder to the boat will make the boat sail POORLY! A poorly sailing boat is one that isn't going to be used. This is also why your boat should also have sails that are not work out - if the sails on your boat are original or older than 10 years it is time for new ones! #1 reason most boats sail poorly is blown out sails!
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 9:06 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Having just bought a M-15 from 1980, I am wondering if the rudder that I have is the right length and weight. This one is made of teak, solid teak over an inch thick. What is the length of the standard rudder for a M-15 and it will be used for cruising and day sailing, not racing if that makes a difference. I sure appreciate the combined knowledge and experience of this group. I saw it in action today in regards to another issue that came up here. Thanks.
Doug M-15, 1980
Thanks Bob. I will measure. How much do you guess the rudder weighs? This solid teak rudder on my M15 is heavy it seems. Sent from BlueMail On Jun 20, 2018, 3:00 PM, at 3:00 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our Rudders on our new M 15s are mahogany and 42 inches overall length. The same as Jerry’s specification. They work well. Bob
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2018, at 1:55 PM, Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
This rudder is solid one piece of teak. It is shaped but no idea if its the right shape. Guess I need to run into another M15 owner and compare rudders. Wait, that doesn't sound right!!
Sent from BlueMail
On Jun 20, 2018, 2:45 PM, at 2:45 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote: Doug:
If the rudder was made by Jerry it should be mahogany. As I've no access to a M15 will need to have another person report the measurements or Jerry will comment.
Being short is more of an issue than long. Jerry designed the boat to have a good amount of rudder depth. 'about 1" thick is likely close to correct for a M15/17 width/cord.
Next is shape. Jerry is pretty particular that shape is correct. See -
http://www.sagemarine.com/SCA_articles/SCA_pdf/smalltalk_55.pdf
(Link will open a PDF)
Rudder shape should be an NACA0012.
Using a poorly shaped or matched rudder to the boat will make the boat sail POORLY! A poorly sailing boat is one that isn't going to be used. This is also why your boat should also have sails that are not work out - if the sails on your boat are original or older than 10 years it is time for new ones! #1 reason most boats sail poorly is blown out sails!
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 9:06 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Having just bought a M-15 from 1980, I am wondering if the rudder that I have is the right length and weight. This one is made of teak, solid teak over an inch thick. What is the length of the standard rudder for a M-15 and it will be used for cruising and day sailing, not racing if that makes a difference. I sure appreciate the combined knowledge and experience of this group. I saw it in action today in regards to another issue that came up here. Thanks.
Doug M-15, 1980
My old M15's www-site has photos that may help give you an idea of rudder size. www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ Maybe Jerry did a few teak rudders for the first M15s (as yours is one of the 11 buily in 1980). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 1:55 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
This rudder is solid one piece of teak. It is shaped but no idea if its the right shape. Guess I need to run into another M15 owner and compare rudders. Wait, that doesn't sound right!!
Sent from BlueMail
On Jun 20, 2018, 2:45 PM, at 2:45 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Doug:
If the rudder was made by Jerry it should be mahogany. As I've no access to a M15 will need to have another person report the measurements or Jerry will comment.
Being short is more of an issue than long. Jerry designed the boat to have a good amount of rudder depth. 'about 1" thick is likely close to correct for a M15/17 width/cord.
Next is shape. Jerry is pretty particular that shape is correct. See -
http://www.sagemarine.com/SCA_articles/SCA_pdf/smalltalk_55.pdf
(Link will open a PDF)
Rudder shape should be an NACA0012.
Using a poorly shaped or matched rudder to the boat will make the boat sail POORLY! A poorly sailing boat is one that isn't going to be used. This is also why your boat should also have sails that are not work out - if the sails on your boat are original or older than 10 years it is time for new ones! #1 reason most boats sail poorly is blown out sails!
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 9:06 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Having just bought a M-15 from 1980, I am wondering if the rudder that I have is the right length and weight. This one is made of teak, solid teak over an inch thick. What is the length of the standard rudder for a M-15 and it will be used for cruising and day sailing, not racing if that makes a difference. I sure appreciate the combined knowledge and experience of this group. I saw it in action today in regards to another issue that came up here. Thanks.
Doug M-15, 1980
I don't remember making any teak rudders for the 15, but it could have been special order. Made lots of dinghy boards of teak back in the good old days when teak was 2.00 per foot- the guy, Marty, who made most of them for me is sailing with me at the Cruiser Challenge! Obviously, we're going to clean up on Gary O and Stan. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 2:20 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudder length My old M15's www-site has photos that may help give you an idea of rudder size. www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ Maybe Jerry did a few teak rudders for the first M15s (as yours is one of the 11 buily in 1980). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 1:55 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
This rudder is solid one piece of teak. It is shaped but no idea if its the right shape. Guess I need to run into another M15 owner and compare rudders. Wait, that doesn't sound right!!
Sent from BlueMail
On Jun 20, 2018, 2:45 PM, at 2:45 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Doug:
If the rudder was made by Jerry it should be mahogany. As I've no access to a M15 will need to have another person report the measurements or Jerry will comment.
Being short is more of an issue than long. Jerry designed the boat to have a good amount of rudder depth. 'about 1" thick is likely close to correct for a M15/17 width/cord.
Next is shape. Jerry is pretty particular that shape is correct. See -
http://www.sagemarine.com/SCA_articles/SCA_pdf/smalltalk_55.pdf
(Link will open a PDF)
Rudder shape should be an NACA0012.
Using a poorly shaped or matched rudder to the boat will make the boat sail POORLY! A poorly sailing boat is one that isn't going to be used. This is also why your boat should also have sails that are not work out - if the sails on your boat are original or older than 10 years it is time for new ones! #1 reason most boats sail poorly is blown out sails!
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 9:06 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Having just bought a M-15 from 1980, I am wondering if the rudder that I have is the right length and weight. This one is made of teak, solid teak over an inch thick. What is the length of the standard rudder for a M-15 and it will be used for cruising and day sailing, not racing if that makes a difference. I sure appreciate the combined knowledge and experience of this group. I saw it in action today in regards to another issue that came up here. Thanks.
Doug M-15, 1980
It's in progress - here's the tracker: http://tracker.r2ak.com/ Here's the main site: https://r2ak.com/ Don't see any Montys (or is it Monties? :-) in the full race this year. There is a Balboa 20 though (same hull as Ensenada 20 I owned for a few years). None in Proving Ground either. Resting up for next year are we? ;-) cheers, John On 06/20/2018 03:33 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
Does anyone know what is happening with R2AK? Steve M-15 # 335
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I'd love to do it in my Sage, John, but I'm just too damned old. I'll be 78 by the time the race is over! -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 3:50 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: R2AK? It's in progress - here's the tracker: http://tracker.r2ak.com/ Here's the main site: https://r2ak.com/ Don't see any Montys (or is it Monties? :-) in the full race this year. There is a Balboa 20 though (same hull as Ensenada 20 I owned for a few years). None in Proving Ground either. Resting up for next year are we? ;-) cheers, John On 06/20/2018 03:33 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
Does anyone know what is happening with R2AK? Steve M-15 # 335
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Hmmm...loan me your boat next year? ;-) ;-) I have contemplated R2AK for a few years down the line. Just as an adventure, my M-17 is not gonna be an early finisher. Gotta get my boat more dialed in and more experience with it and do some learning-cruising up in that area first. And probably find some other adventurer who's up for crewing. I will be experimenting with sculling propulsion at some point this season, bought a Scullmatix(R) from Duckworks. More on that when it happens. Also...is there any rule in R2AK against towing one's boat using one's dinghy? cheers, John On 06/20/2018 04:09 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
I'd love to do it in my Sage, John, but I'm just too damned old. I'll be 78 by the time the race is over!
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 3:50 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: R2AK?
It's in progress - here's the tracker: http://tracker.r2ak.com/
Here's the main site: https://r2ak.com/
Don't see any Montys (or is it Monties? :-) in the full race this year. There is a Balboa 20 though (same hull as Ensenada 20 I owned for a few years). None in Proving Ground either. Resting up for next year are we? ;-)
cheers, John
On 06/20/2018 03:33 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
Does anyone know what is happening with R2AK? Steve M-15 # 335
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
You can tow with a dinghy ... one of this year's participants is doing that with his 25+ foot boat! The M17, Sage 17 and M15 are race proven - an M17 finished each if the past three years and a Sage 17 (me) and M15 did leg one the first running in 2015. The 17s that went to Alaska used oars on outriggers with a sliding seat. Look for Team Excellent Adventure for photos of the system Bill created and used for '15, '16 and leg one '17; and a similar varient used by the Canadian guys (forgetting their team name) in '17. The only weak link in the M17 was the Ruddercraft rudder ... broke TWICE in '15! An HDPE rudder is weak and prone to snapping under load (many Potter 19s have broken their RC rudders - HDPE is also prone to warping - all I've seen are warped). The solid mahogany (slide up/down style) have performed flawlessly in 2016 and 2017. Sweet Pea needs new sails - they are bags. Her sailing performance is less than steller as a result and driving me nuts! :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 4:54 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hmmm...loan me your boat next year? ;-) ;-)
I have contemplated R2AK for a few years down the line. Just as an adventure, my M-17 is not gonna be an early finisher. Gotta get my boat more dialed in and more experience with it and do some learning-cruising up in that area first. And probably find some other adventurer who's up for crewing.
I will be experimenting with sculling propulsion at some point this season, bought a Scullmatix(R) from Duckworks. More on that when it happens.
Also...is there any rule in R2AK against towing one's boat using one's dinghy?
cheers, John
On 06/20/2018 04:09 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
I'd love to do it in my Sage, John, but I'm just too damned old. I'll be 78 by the time the race is over!
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 3:50 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: R2AK?
It's in progress - here's the tracker: http://tracker.r2ak.com/
Here's the main site: https://r2ak.com/
Don't see any Montys (or is it Monties? :-) in the full race this year. There is a Balboa 20 though (same hull as Ensenada 20 I owned for a few years). None in Proving Ground either. Resting up for next year are we? ;-)
cheers, John
On 06/20/2018 03:33 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
Does anyone know what is happening with R2AK? Steve M-15 # 335
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
On 06/20/2018 05:15 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
You can tow with a dinghy ... one of this year's participants is doing that with his 25+ foot boat!
Which boat is that? A friend towed me a bit with his Hobie Adventure Island tri using pedal drive on Waldo lake last year, in dead calm conditions. Slow but it worked. I tried towing myself using the Tahiti inflatable kayak I borrowed for a dinghy. Would have worked OK with a better dinghy - the Tahiti is only a little above pool toy quality, it's so squishy a lot of energy is lost in flexing boat and non-hydrodynamic air-mattress hull profile. I'm soon building a Wooden Widget Origami 6 (stretched to 7) collapsible dinghy. http://woodenwidget.com/origami.htm I like the lines of the Wooden Widget Fliptail collapsing dinghy design better, but the designer told me that for rowing or motoring the Origami was a bit better; the fliptail a bit better for use with the sailing rig. And, the Origami collapses to a fair bit smaller size for the same assembled size. I'm stretching the 6' 2" model to 7' (because I'm 6' 3" and want to be able to fit two people, or, me plus a fair bit of stuff). It will fit (folded) on one side of the v-berth (or on the settee) when underway. There's a guy with a Potter 15 who has an Origami 6 that fits in one side of his cabin when underway.
The 17s that went to Alaska used oars on outriggers with a sliding seat. Look for Team Excellent Adventure for photos of the system Bill created and used for '15, '16 and leg one '17; and a similar varient used by the Canadian guys (forgetting their team name) in '17.
I've seen the pics, these are nicely done, well designed, and, complicated/expensive systems. And, in a post (https://www.facebook.com/billandtedr2ak/posts/1446375249018833:0) on the boat outfitting and experiences for 2015, Bill writes, re the rowing system: "Two knots was a realistic average. Slow going but better than nothing." Thus my scull experiments...way cheaper simpler lighter. Boat weight gives inertia...takes time to get up to speed but then maintaining speed is a fair bit less work. It's only for such light conditions that I can't go faster sailing. Will be interesting to see what it yeilds. Will report here when I get to the sea trials. cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I once towed a Cheoy Lee 32 rowing a Kent Ranger Minto. My folks said i got the boat going 2 knots in flat conditions with no wind. That is the challenge - if there is any chop, or contrary current, or wind you can't keep the boat going. For R2AK look at team Dock Rat - he put the boat on the hard, ie, grounded on a beach and the tide went out - https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1522097371251262&substory_index=... Lin&Larry Pardey used a single long sweep to move their boat short distances ... like in/out a marina. They smartly sailed their boats when they could, or stayed put if the wind wasn't blowing. Bluewater sailing very different skill set than coastal cruising ... like going up a channel with a 5+ adverse or crossing current. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 6:14 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On 06/20/2018 05:15 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
You can tow with a dinghy ... one of this year's participants is doing that with his 25+ foot boat!
Which boat is that?
A friend towed me a bit with his Hobie Adventure Island tri using pedal drive on Waldo lake last year, in dead calm conditions. Slow but it worked.
I tried towing myself using the Tahiti inflatable kayak I borrowed for a dinghy. Would have worked OK with a better dinghy - the Tahiti is only a little above pool toy quality, it's so squishy a lot of energy is lost in flexing boat and non-hydrodynamic air-mattress hull profile.
I'm soon building a Wooden Widget Origami 6 (stretched to 7) collapsible dinghy. http://woodenwidget.com/origami.htm
I like the lines of the Wooden Widget Fliptail collapsing dinghy design better, but the designer told me that for rowing or motoring the Origami was a bit better; the fliptail a bit better for use with the sailing rig. And, the Origami collapses to a fair bit smaller size for the same assembled size.
I'm stretching the 6' 2" model to 7' (because I'm 6' 3" and want to be able to fit two people, or, me plus a fair bit of stuff). It will fit (folded) on one side of the v-berth (or on the settee) when underway. There's a guy with a Potter 15 who has an Origami 6 that fits in one side of his cabin when underway.
The 17s that went to Alaska used oars on outriggers with a sliding seat. Look for Team Excellent Adventure for photos of the system Bill created and used for '15, '16 and leg one '17; and a similar varient used by the Canadian guys (forgetting their team name) in '17.
I've seen the pics, these are nicely done, well designed, and, complicated/expensive systems. And, in a post (https://www.facebook.com/billandtedr2ak/posts/1446375249018833:0) on the boat outfitting and experiences for 2015, Bill writes, re the rowing system:
"Two knots was a realistic average. Slow going but better than nothing."
Thus my scull experiments...way cheaper simpler lighter. Boat weight gives inertia...takes time to get up to speed but then maintaining speed is a fair bit less work. It's only for such light conditions that I can't go faster sailing. Will be interesting to see what it yeilds. Will report here when I get to the sea trials.
cheers, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
John- want some advise? Between now and the targeted R2AK, hit as many races as possible. You'll learn a lot about the tricks for keeping the boat moving well. I know you implied that you're not going to be out to win, but you might be surprised; if you find yourself doing well you might get inspired. Obviously you're not going to beat the larger "trick" boats, but you can do well with boats of your size and type. Go for it! -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:53 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: R2AK? Hmmm...loan me your boat next year? ;-) ;-) I have contemplated R2AK for a few years down the line. Just as an adventure, my M-17 is not gonna be an early finisher. Gotta get my boat more dialed in and more experience with it and do some learning-cruising up in that area first. And probably find some other adventurer who's up for crewing. I will be experimenting with sculling propulsion at some point this season, bought a Scullmatix(R) from Duckworks. More on that when it happens. Also...is there any rule in R2AK against towing one's boat using one's dinghy? cheers, John On 06/20/2018 04:09 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
I'd love to do it in my Sage, John, but I'm just too damned old. I'll be 78 by the time the race is over!
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 3:50 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: R2AK?
It's in progress - here's the tracker: http://tracker.r2ak.com/
Here's the main site: https://r2ak.com/
Don't see any Montys (or is it Monties? :-) in the full race this year. There is a Balboa 20 though (same hull as Ensenada 20 I owned for a few years). None in Proving Ground either. Resting up for next year are we? ;-)
cheers, John
On 06/20/2018 03:33 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
Does anyone know what is happening with R2AK? Steve M-15 # 335
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I always appreciate good advice Jerry, and this is good advice. I don't know that I'll implement it, but I know it's good advice! All you other R2AK wannabes, listen to da man...! thanks, John On 06/21/2018 11:56 AM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
John- want some advise? Between now and the targeted R2AK, hit as many races as possible. You'll learn a lot about the tricks for keeping the boat moving well. I know you implied that you're not going to be out to win, but you might be surprised; if you find yourself doing well you might get inspired. Obviously you're not going to beat the larger "trick" boats, but you can do well with boats of your size and type. Go for it!
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:53 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: R2AK?
Hmmm...loan me your boat next year? ;-) ;-)
I have contemplated R2AK for a few years down the line. Just as an adventure, my M-17 is not gonna be an early finisher. Gotta get my boat more dialed in and more experience with it and do some learning-cruising up in that area first. And probably find some other adventurer who's up for crewing.
I will be experimenting with sculling propulsion at some point this season, bought a Scullmatix(R) from Duckworks. More on that when it happens.
Also...is there any rule in R2AK against towing one's boat using one's dinghy?
cheers, John
On 06/20/2018 04:09 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
I'd love to do it in my Sage, John, but I'm just too damned old. I'll be 78 by the time the race is over!
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 3:50 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: R2AK?
It's in progress - here's the tracker: http://tracker.r2ak.com/
Here's the main site: https://r2ak.com/
Don't see any Montys (or is it Monties? :-) in the full race this year. There is a Balboa 20 though (same hull as Ensenada 20 I owned for a few years). None in Proving Ground either. Resting up for next year are we? ;-)
cheers, John
On 06/20/2018 03:33 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
Does anyone know what is happening with R2AK? Steve M-15 # 335
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None of Jerry's boats took part this year :-(. There is currently a tight race for the lead spot - so far light winds have kept the field more closely grouped. Tracker, as already noted, is a great source. There are also daily funny well written updates - https://r2ak.com/2018-daily-updates :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 3:51 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
It's in progress - here's the tracker: http://tracker.r2ak.com/
Here's the main site: https://r2ak.com/
Don't see any Montys (or is it Monties? :-) in the full race this year. There is a Balboa 20 though (same hull as Ensenada 20 I owned for a few years). None in Proving Ground either. Resting up for next year are we? ;-)
cheers, John
On 06/20/2018 03:33 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
Does anyone know what is happening with R2AK? Steve M-15 # 335
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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