Hi Bert, That idea works very well, if you only have one anchor out. Another solution is to set two bow anchors in a "V". Then the boat won't swing around as much. A third solution is a small riding sail set on the back stay. It acts as an air rudder, and keeps the boat headed into the wind. Connie ----- Original Message ---- From: "Flickasf@aol.com" <Flickasf@aol.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 10:56:14 AM Subject: M_Boats: swinging at anchor I saw a M 17 at anchor using the following system; the vessel was not swinging in the wind. You might give it a try. The anchor rode was led off the bow and a snatch block was attached to it leading to the cockpit making bridle. The angle to the wind could there fore be adjusted. Bert Felton M 15, #365 Zephyr ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
That's funny- I don't remember ever haviong a 17 swing at anchor. A 23, yes, but not a 17 or a 15. I wonder if it could be that I nearly always put up a boom awning. Or my fat body flaked out in the cockpit, snoring away? Jerry jerrymontgomery.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Conbert H Benneck" <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 8:35 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: swinging at anchor
Hi Bert,
That idea works very well, if you only have one anchor out.
Another solution is to set two bow anchors in a "V". Then the boat won't swing around as much.
A third solution is a small riding sail set on the back stay. It acts as an air rudder, and keeps the boat headed into the wind.
Connie
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I saw a M 17 at anchor using the following system; the vessel was not swinging in the wind. You might give it a try. The anchor rode was led off the bow and a snatch block was attached to it leading to the cockpit making bridle. The angle to the wind could there fore be adjusted.
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That reminds me. Jerry 'loaned' me a small board that bridges an M15's cockpit seats so one can sleep sort of sideways. It has rails on the undersite to keep it in place. I still have that board Jerry. Come and get it.. t
That was a permanent loan, Tom. I fugured you would refuse to give it back if I wanted it anyway. Wworks like a charm, doesn't it (if you like sleeping by yourself)! Jerry jerrymontgomery.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: swinging at anchor
That reminds me. Jerry 'loaned' me a small board that bridges an M15's cockpit seats so one can sleep sort of sideways. It has rails on the undersite to keep it in place. I still have that board Jerry. Come and
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the discussion about Mboats and anchoring behavior remind me that a bad night at anchor, or on a boey, makes one wonder 'what was i thinking!'. i had such an experience summer 2007 on a trip around vashon island, puget sound. i made the choice to go on a boey instead of staying in the marina at blake island state park (washington state, USA). two summers ago i had stayed in the marina and spent a night of being awoken by the gaggle of stinkpotters talking (loudly) and playing (even louder) until 3AM ... this group even had their young children (i mean under 5 years of age) running up and down the dock until 1AM! not being one for crowds to begin with, i just didn't want to face this experience again. i tied to a boey on the south-west corner of blake island mid-afternoon when the seas were not bad. there was also a slight breeze so the bow was staying into the waves. as afternoon went to evening things changed ... blake island, for those that don't know, is located just west of seattle. it is also in the middle of following: * car ferry traffic * commuter ferry traffic (ie, passenger only) * shipping traffic * conflicting tide flows * sits in the middle of lots of close shores so all waves and wakes reflect back in a confused mess i had not really thought through all the above. i should have known better as i had spent some nights 'rocking' at blake island in my folk's cheoy lee 32' ... and that was a LOT more boat than a M15! the seas 'got up' in the early evening as ferry traffic increased. Scred, my M15, began to roll. as shipping came by i rolled. as the tide moved the boat would put beam to the wind and rolled. i ended up cooking on the cockpit floor holding the pan on the stove. as already stated by other Mboat owners, the lapstrakes do make a bit of a noise if the seas are up at anchor (or boey). this is the tradeoff to the classic looks, stronger hull (for size) and the dry cockpit when sailing in a blow. i'll take the noise as 'bad anchorage experiences' are rare; and one gets better at choosing where to anchor after making mistakes. i'm not prone to be seasick, nor do i have difficulty sleeping in 'adverse' conditions. in general if i know 'why a noise is being made' i'll sleep fine. during this night i did sleep ... not the best sleep of my life, but one that was restful. i did not get seasick. at about 5AM i woke because the boat stopped rocking. the ferry traffic had stopped at midnight and there was no wind. after the waves had stopped bouncing off of all the shores things were smooth. the ferry wakes began again at about 6AM, but as it was early in the day the 'seas' didn't become confused. the morning was great as blake has WONDERFUL views of seattle, the olympic mountains and mt. rainer. i saw all three sitting comfortably in the cockpit drinking a few cups of coffee. i sailed off the boey and later found the only 'after effect' of the night when the morning breeze failed i starting the outboard. the honda SMOKED because of the oil being tossed in the crankcase all night. after 2-3 minutes the engine exhaust became 'clear'. no damage ... the motor ran with no challenges the rest of the summer - including the san juan is. MSOG cruise. in early april 2008 the little 'iron horse' got a clean bill of health during the spring motor check by my honda marine repair guy. below is a link to a video made the evening and morning described. you can see how the boat rolled! there is also my 'rant' about the blake island anchorage. take note of the noise of the hull. during the 'in cabin' footage watch the seas through the cabin window. the morning views speak for themselves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgkMzAzNWjg to add my 2-cents to the discussion of a Mboat 'sailing' when at anchor or on a boey - i've experienced no greater 'walking' in my M15 than on the other boats i've anchored. sailboats want to sail. the keel and rudder will cause a forward motion with just a breath of wind. motor boats don't do this (as much) because they have little rudders, and no keel. when anchoring in the midst of other sailboats i've not noticed my M15 'wagging' any more than the sail-type craft. david scobie M15 #288, Scred (yes i finally named the boat) --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
David: Nice video! Couple of questions and a comment. Did you shoot that with a digital camera or digital video camcorder? What was the file size you uploaded? I've not paid much attention to YouTube but this would be a great way to share video of our sailing events without having to mail VCR tapes or DVDs to folks. Doug Kelch is so good at video he could probably do it for a living. Amazing to watch him sail with one hand, shoot video with the other and it always comes out great. Can you anchor in that area or do you have to take a mooring or dock? Looked like there were places to get right up near the shore to dodge some of that. With that kickup ridder, you could anchor stern in and bow out with a little spit of land to knock down the waves. I've only been on a couple M15's, but immediately noticed the size difference. Seemed more like sailing a dinghy. Very quick and responsive. And in a chop, seems to me it would get busy a lot quicker than an M17 (almost twice the weight from that extra 2 feet). But M17's roll too. Can't think of too many things more unpleasant than sitting in heavy boat chop in light air or a dead calm with sails and everything else flogging. Just as bad with the sails down. But in a wind over tide situation, with boat chop thrown in, most boats are going to be rolling. Maybe not as quick, but rolling just the same. Howard On Apr 28, 2008, at 4:22 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
the discussion about Mboats and anchoring behavior remind me that a bad night at anchor, or on a boey, makes one wonder 'what was i thinking!'. i had such an experience summer 2007 on a trip around vashon island, puget sound.
i made the choice to go on a boey instead of staying in the marina at blake island state park (washington state, USA). two summers ago i had stayed in the marina and spent a night of being awoken by the gaggle of stinkpotters talking (loudly) and playing (even louder) until 3AM ... this group even had their young children (i mean under 5 years of age) running up and down the dock until 1AM! not being one for crowds to begin with, i just didn't want to face this experience again.
i tied to a boey on the south-west corner of blake island mid-afternoon when the seas were not bad. there was also a slight breeze so the bow was staying into the waves. as afternoon went to evening things changed ...
blake island, for those that don't know, is located just west of seattle. it is also in the middle of following: * car ferry traffic * commuter ferry traffic (ie, passenger only) * shipping traffic * conflicting tide flows * sits in the middle of lots of close shores so all waves and wakes reflect back in a confused mess
i had not really thought through all the above. i should have known better as i had spent some nights 'rocking' at blake island in my folk's cheoy lee 32' ... and that was a LOT more boat than a M15!
the seas 'got up' in the early evening as ferry traffic increased. Scred, my M15, began to roll. as shipping came by i rolled. as the tide moved the boat would put beam to the wind and rolled. i ended up cooking on the cockpit floor holding the pan on the stove. as already stated by other Mboat owners, the lapstrakes do make a bit of a noise if the seas are up at anchor (or boey). this is the tradeoff to the classic looks, stronger hull (for size) and the dry cockpit when sailing in a blow. i'll take the noise as 'bad anchorage experiences' are rare; and one gets better at choosing where to anchor after making mistakes.
i'm not prone to be seasick, nor do i have difficulty sleeping in 'adverse' conditions. in general if i know 'why a noise is being made' i'll sleep fine. during this night i did sleep ... not the best sleep of my life, but one that was restful. i did not get seasick. at about 5AM i woke because the boat stopped rocking. the ferry traffic had stopped at midnight and there was no wind. after the waves had stopped bouncing off of all the shores things were smooth.
the ferry wakes began again at about 6AM, but as it was early in the day the 'seas' didn't become confused. the morning was great as blake has WONDERFUL views of seattle, the olympic mountains and mt. rainer. i saw all three sitting comfortably in the cockpit drinking a few cups of coffee.
i sailed off the boey and later found the only 'after effect' of the night when the morning breeze failed i starting the outboard. the honda SMOKED because of the oil being tossed in the crankcase all night. after 2-3 minutes the engine exhaust became 'clear'. no damage ... the motor ran with no challenges the rest of the summer - including the san juan is. MSOG cruise. in early april 2008 the little 'iron horse' got a clean bill of health during the spring motor check by my honda marine repair guy.
below is a link to a video made the evening and morning described. you can see how the boat rolled! there is also my 'rant' about the blake island anchorage. take note of the noise of the hull. during the 'in cabin' footage watch the seas through the cabin window. the morning views speak for themselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgkMzAzNWjg
to add my 2-cents to the discussion of a Mboat 'sailing' when at anchor or on a boey - i've experienced no greater 'walking' in my M15 than on the other boats i've anchored. sailboats want to sail. the keel and rudder will cause a forward motion with just a breath of wind. motor boats don't do this (as much) because they have little rudders, and no keel. when anchoring in the midst of other sailboats i've not noticed my M15 'wagging' any more than the sail-type craft.
david scobie M15 #288, Scred (yes i finally named the boat)
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Did you shoot that with a digital camera or digital video camcorder?
digital camera - casio exilim (7.2 mega pixels; i have the video set to record at 340X240).
What was the file size you uploaded?
the upload was 11.6MB (prior to youtube doing its changes).
Can you anchor in that area or do you have to take a mooring or dock?
anchoring isn't recommended at blake. it is 'unprotected' and mostly rock. the currents are strong around the island and if you get any distance from the land the water drops to 100's of feet deep. i've seen it attempted many times ... and only done successfuly once.
Looked like there were places to get right up near the shore to dodge some of that
looks better than it is in reality. from where i was there are two ferry docks within one nm (to the S and SW). the main N/S run of puget sound with cargo traffic is RIGHT THERE (to the E). being close to the beach you run the danger of the large wakes from the cargo ships breaking. the 'shelf' isn't large (excluding the N side of the island) and gets more than shallow during low tides (not an issue for a Mboat ... except when the seas break). as you move around blake the ferry traffic doesn't change as you are in the midst of the routes for vashon island, southworth, and those going through rich passage to bremerton. i'm very comfortable anchoring in shallows. i've done some 'thin' water, <5', in gig and quatermaster harbors for low tide (i doubt if i could have put the rudder down last time i was at gig harbor). both locations are well protected but crowded anchorages -- which is why i 'went shallow'. i doubt if any of the M23s or fixed keel M17s would have liked the situation. dave scobie M15 #288, Scred (yes i finally named the boat) Howard Audsley <haudsley@tranquility.net> wrote: David: Nice video! Couple of questions and a comment. Did you shoot that with a digital camera or digital video camcorder? What was the file size you uploaded? I've not paid much attention to YouTube but this would be a great way to share video of our sailing events without having to mail VCR tapes or DVDs to folks. Doug Kelch is so good at video he could probably do it for a living. Amazing to watch him sail with one hand, shoot video with the other and it always comes out great. Can you anchor in that area or do you have to take a mooring or dock? Looked like there were places to get right up near the shore to dodge some of that. With that kickup ridder, you could anchor stern in and bow out with a little spit of land to knock down the waves. I've only been on a couple M15's, but immediately noticed the size difference. Seemed more like sailing a dinghy. Very quick and responsive. And in a chop, seems to me it would get busy a lot quicker than an M17 (almost twice the weight from that extra 2 feet). But M17's roll too. Can't think of too many things more unpleasant than sitting in heavy boat chop in light air or a dead calm with sails and everything else flogging. Just as bad with the sails down. But in a wind over tide situation, with boat chop thrown in, most boats are going to be rolling. Maybe not as quick, but rolling just the same. Howard --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
David: Good to see you on U-Tube. Glad you figured out how to spell buoy! --Gary On Apr 28, 2008, at 2:22 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
the discussion about Mboats and anchoring behavior remind me that a bad night at anchor, or on a boey, makes one wonder 'what was i thinking!'. i had such an experience summer 2007 on a trip around vashon island, puget sound.
i made the choice to go on a boey instead of staying in the marina at blake island state park (washington state, USA). two summers ago i had stayed in the marina and spent a night of being awoken by the gaggle of stinkpotters talking (loudly) and playing (even louder) until 3AM ... this group even had their young children (i mean under 5 years of age) running up and down the dock until 1AM! not being one for crowds to begin with, i just didn't want to face this experience again.
i tied to a boey on the south-west corner of blake island mid- afternoon when the seas were not bad. there was also a slight breeze so the bow was staying into the waves. as afternoon went to evening things changed ...
blake island, for those that don't know, is located just west of seattle. it is also in the middle of following: * car ferry traffic * commuter ferry traffic (ie, passenger only) * shipping traffic * conflicting tide flows * sits in the middle of lots of close shores so all waves and wakes reflect back in a confused mess
i had not really thought through all the above. i should have known better as i had spent some nights 'rocking' at blake island in my folk's cheoy lee 32' ... and that was a LOT more boat than a M15!
the seas 'got up' in the early evening as ferry traffic increased. Scred, my M15, began to roll. as shipping came by i rolled. as the tide moved the boat would put beam to the wind and rolled. i ended up cooking on the cockpit floor holding the pan on the stove. as already stated by other Mboat owners, the lapstrakes do make a bit of a noise if the seas are up at anchor (or boey). this is the tradeoff to the classic looks, stronger hull (for size) and the dry cockpit when sailing in a blow. i'll take the noise as 'bad anchorage experiences' are rare; and one gets better at choosing where to anchor after making mistakes.
i'm not prone to be seasick, nor do i have difficulty sleeping in 'adverse' conditions. in general if i know 'why a noise is being made' i'll sleep fine. during this night i did sleep ... not the best sleep of my life, but one that was restful. i did not get seasick. at about 5AM i woke because the boat stopped rocking. the ferry traffic had stopped at midnight and there was no wind. after the waves had stopped bouncing off of all the shores things were smooth.
the ferry wakes began again at about 6AM, but as it was early in the day the 'seas' didn't become confused. the morning was great as blake has WONDERFUL views of seattle, the olympic mountains and mt. rainer. i saw all three sitting comfortably in the cockpit drinking a few cups of coffee.
i sailed off the boey and later found the only 'after effect' of the night when the morning breeze failed i starting the outboard. the honda SMOKED because of the oil being tossed in the crankcase all night. after 2-3 minutes the engine exhaust became 'clear'. no damage ... the motor ran with no challenges the rest of the summer - including the san juan is. MSOG cruise. in early april 2008 the little 'iron horse' got a clean bill of health during the spring motor check by my honda marine repair guy.
below is a link to a video made the evening and morning described. you can see how the boat rolled! there is also my 'rant' about the blake island anchorage. take note of the noise of the hull. during the 'in cabin' footage watch the seas through the cabin window. the morning views speak for themselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgkMzAzNWjg
to add my 2-cents to the discussion of a Mboat 'sailing' when at anchor or on a boey - i've experienced no greater 'walking' in my M15 than on the other boats i've anchored. sailboats want to sail. the keel and rudder will cause a forward motion with just a breath of wind. motor boats don't do this (as much) because they have little rudders, and no keel. when anchoring in the midst of other sailboats i've not noticed my M15 'wagging' any more than the sail-type craft.
david scobie M15 #288, Scred (yes i finally named the boat)
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