FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
Dave Thanks for the comments on the roller furling system. I am considering one not for sail reduction so much as keeping me off the foredeck setting and removing the Jib. Getting to old for that on a 15'r . Is the Schaffer Snapfurl ($620) a self install? How much of a conversion of the jib is required (Luff tape)? Do most have a sun cover sewn on or use a tube cover with a full length zipper? I had a Harken on my WWP 15 with a tube cover and an old (1976) Schaffer Continuous Line furler on my Pearson 23 with a cover sewn on the Jib. What are your thoughts on the Harken Small Boat Furler ($250) where the Jib Luff wire becomes the headstay? All comments are solicited regarding best roller furling for a M15, George _____ From: Dave Scobie [mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 3:08 PM To: George Iemmolo; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Turning Turtle it is exceedingly rare to need any jib on an M15 besides the standard 128%. first step should be to reef the main, and then reef the main again. only after two reefs in the main consider going to a smaller headsail (or going back to the dock and going to the marina bar). put a downhaul on the jib so no foredeck work is needed to get the headsail down. if a furler is really wanted note: the CDI unit is challenging because you cannot adjust the headsail tension as wind speed changes ... let alone set the tension well when first loading the jib. the Schaefer Snapful is a much better unit and uses the jib halyard to raise the sail ... meaning you can also adjust the tension on the jib's luff. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 11:59 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote: I was t4elling myself that I need to get a roller furler. I had one on a WWP15 I owned 9yrs ago and one on my Pearson 23 that I sold prior to getting my M15 3 yrs ago. Which model CDI do you have and did you install it your self & if so how hard was it? George -----Original Message----- From: Robert Hall [mailto:bert.hall@bell.net] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:44 AM Hi George, Yes I had a life jacket on as always. I have a CDI furler which I had partly rolled as the wind rose. Glad that I am not the only old sailor out there.RTH. -----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo [mailto:griemmolo2@gamil.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 10:53 PM Robert PTL all went well you & the boat survived. You were wearing your life preserver right. Good advise regarding drop boards. I was wondering regarding your reefing sequence. I have always reefed the Main prior to dropping the Jib. Do you have roller reefing & had reduced the jib area that way? George (83 yr) Merry Helen II 96 M15 #602 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:16 PM Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves." If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?" The answer "yes". In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
On 06/27/2015 02:27 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: ...
... What are your thoughts on the Harken Small Boat Furler ($250) where the Jib Luff wire becomes the headstay?
This one says in Harken's product info that it is for furling only, not reefing, just in case that matters for anyone's application. I take that to mean fully furled or fully deployed are the two operating modes for it...not partly furled (reefed). cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
George, I have a swivel and drum set similar to the Harken prduct from a Siren I once owned which I will part with for $100 plus postage. The only mod to the hank on procedure you are currently using is the insertion if a wire in the luff of your jib which then become the fore sail. With this system the jib is either set or furled,but at least you eliminate the hank on inconvenience. RTH.-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:01 PM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle On 06/27/2015 02:27 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: ...
... What are your thoughts on the Harken Small Boat Furler ($250) where the Jib Luff wire becomes the headstay?
This one says in Harken's product info that it is for furling only, not reefing, just in case that matters for anyone's application. I take that to mean fully furled or fully deployed are the two operating modes for it...not partly furled (reefed). cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Robert I will keep your offer in mind as I complete my "Due Diligence" on the subject of Furling for an M15 George -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 9:54 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle George, I have a swivel and drum set similar to the Harken prduct from a Siren I once owned which I will part with for $100 plus postage. The only mod to the hank on procedure you are currently using is the insertion if a wire in the luff of your jib which then become the fore sail. With this system the jib is either set or furled,but at least you eliminate the hank on inconvenience. RTH.-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:01 PM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle On 06/27/2015 02:27 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: ...
... What are your thoughts on the Harken Small Boat Furler ($250) where the Jib Luff wire becomes the headstay?
This one says in Harken's product info that it is for furling only, not reefing, just in case that matters for anyone's application. I take that to mean fully furled or fully deployed are the two operating modes for it...not partly furled (reefed). cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Hi George, I did exactly as you are doing and as you know opted for the CDI. Total cost for new sail,new fore stay and furler came in at about $1000. Cheers RTH. -----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 11:47 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle Robert I will keep your offer in mind as I complete my "Due Diligence" on the subject of Furling for an M15 George -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 9:54 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle George, I have a swivel and drum set similar to the Harken prduct from a Siren I once owned which I will part with for $100 plus postage. The only mod to the hank on procedure you are currently using is the insertion if a wire in the luff of your jib which then become the fore sail. With this system the jib is either set or furled,but at least you eliminate the hank on inconvenience. RTH.-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:01 PM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle On 06/27/2015 02:27 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: ...
... What are your thoughts on the Harken Small Boat Furler ($250) where the Jib Luff wire becomes the headstay?
This one says in Harken's product info that it is for furling only, not reefing, just in case that matters for anyone's application. I take that to mean fully furled or fully deployed are the two operating modes for it...not partly furled (reefed). cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Robert I am trying to get there for a bit less. I am still a bit confused as to how he system works'. I see in the Harken literature that you can get a top furler that will allow you to install without replacing the forestay and that allows for change in the Jib headstay tension. I know it calls for a wire in the jib headstay so I would have to have my jib modified along with a sun screen sown on. I am trying to stay under $500. Can the system you have for sale be added without a forestay change? Or does the wire Luff in the jib take the place of the forestay? How do you tension the forestay or Jib Luff? Is that done by the Jib halyard?. As you can see I still have a lot of questions. George -----Original Message----- From: Robert Hall [mailto:bert.hall@bell.net] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 9:10 AM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle Hi George, I did exactly as you are doing and as you know opted for the CDI. Total cost for new sail,new fore stay and furler came in at about $1000. Cheers RTH. -----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 11:47 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle Robert I will keep your offer in mind as I complete my "Due Diligence" on the subject of Furling for an M15 George -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 9:54 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle George, I have a swivel and drum set similar to the Harken prduct from a Siren I once owned which I will part with for $100 plus postage. The only mod to the hank on procedure you are currently using is the insertion if a wire in the luff of your jib which then become the fore sail. With this system the jib is either set or furled,but at least you eliminate the hank on inconvenience. RTH.-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:01 PM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle On 06/27/2015 02:27 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: ...
... What are your thoughts on the Harken Small Boat Furler ($250) where the Jib Luff wire becomes the headstay?
This one says in Harken's product info that it is for furling only, not reefing, just in case that matters for anyone's application. I take that to mean fully furled or fully deployed are the two operating modes for it...not partly furled (reefed). cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Ok if your only issue is raising and lowering the jib without going to the foredeck, (a good idea), here is the simplest solution. Attach a small Block to the foredeck near where the forestay attaches. Run a small line, 1/8 - 3/16 through the block and tie one end to the head of the jib, run the other end back to the cabin top so you can secure it to a cleat or something. Raise the jib with the halyard. When you want to lower the jib, free the halyard and pull on the small line until the jib is all the way down. Secure the small line. Stretch the appropriate jib sheet back so the clew of the jib stays under control. All is now under control. Bill Ahrens W. A. Ahrens & Associates
On Jun 29, 2015, at 7:18 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert
I am trying to get there for a bit less. I am still a bit confused as to how he system works'. I see in the Harken literature that you can get a top furler that will allow you to install without replacing the forestay and that allows for change in the Jib headstay tension. I know it calls for a wire in the jib headstay so I would have to have my jib modified along with a sun screen sown on. I am trying to stay under $500.
Can the system you have for sale be added without a forestay change? Or does the wire Luff in the jib take the place of the forestay? How do you tension the forestay or Jib Luff? Is that done by the Jib halyard?. As you can see I still have a lot of questions.
George -----Original Message----- From: Robert Hall [mailto:bert.hall@bell.net] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 9:10 AM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
Hi George, I did exactly as you are doing and as you know opted for the CDI.
Total cost for new sail,new fore stay and furler came in at about $1000. Cheers RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 11:47 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
Robert
I will keep your offer in mind as I complete my "Due Diligence" on the subject of Furling for an M15
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 9:54 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
George, I have a swivel and drum set similar to the Harken prduct from a Siren I once owned which I will part with for $100 plus postage. The only mod to the hank on procedure you are currently using is the insertion if a wire in the luff of your jib which then become the fore sail. With this system the jib is either set or furled,but at least you eliminate the hank on inconvenience. RTH.-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:01 PM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
On 06/27/2015 02:27 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: ... ... What are your thoughts on the Harken Small Boat Furler ($250) where the Jib Luff wire becomes the headstay?
This one says in Harken's product info that it is for furling only, not reefing, just in case that matters for anyone's application. I take that to mean fully furled or fully deployed are the two operating modes for it...not partly furled (reefed).
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Bill I have a down haul exactly as you describe and would not sail without one. I am looking to eliminate the need to get on the foredeck in the slip at the start and end of my outing due to my advancing age (83) & diminishing mobility. I am trying to reduce the risk of falling as I experienced this spring getting the boat ready in the driveway. Concrete is harder on the butt than water. I was fortunate that nothing broke just sore for a few weeks:-) I believe that I need to go to a furler for next season. George -----Original Message----- From: Bill Ahrens [mailto:billahrens@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 10:05 PM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle Ok if your only issue is raising and lowering the jib without going to the foredeck, (a good idea), here is the simplest solution. Attach a small Block to the foredeck near where the forestay attaches. Run a small line, 1/8 - 3/16 through the block and tie one end to the head of the jib, run the other end back to the cabin top so you can secure it to a cleat or something. Raise the jib with the halyard. When you want to lower the jib, free the halyard and pull on the small line until the jib is all the way down. Secure the small line. Stretch the appropriate jib sheet back so the clew of the jib stays under control. All is now under control. Bill Ahrens W. A. Ahrens & Associates
On Jun 29, 2015, at 7:18 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert
I am trying to get there for a bit less. I am still a bit confused as to how he system works'. I see in the Harken literature that you can get a top furler that will allow you to install without replacing the forestay and that allows for change in the Jib headstay tension. I know it calls for a wire in the jib headstay so I would have to have my jib modified along with a sun screen sown on. I am trying to stay under $500.
Can the system you have for sale be added without a forestay change? Or does the wire Luff in the jib take the place of the forestay? How do you tension the forestay or Jib Luff? Is that done by the Jib halyard?. As you can see I still have a lot of questions.
George -----Original Message----- From: Robert Hall [mailto:bert.hall@bell.net] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 9:10 AM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
Hi George, I did exactly as you are doing and as you know opted for the CDI.
Total cost for new sail,new fore stay and furler came in at about $1000. Cheers RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 11:47 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
Robert
I will keep your offer in mind as I complete my "Due Diligence" on the subject of Furling for an M15
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 9:54 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
George, I have a swivel and drum set similar to the Harken prduct from a Siren I once owned which I will part with for $100 plus postage. The only mod to the hank on procedure you are currently using is the insertion if a wire in the luff of your jib which then become the fore sail. With this system the jib is either set or furled,but at least you eliminate the hank on inconvenience. RTH.-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:01 PM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
On 06/27/2015 02:27 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: ... ... What are your thoughts on the Harken Small Boat Furler ($250) where the Jib Luff wire becomes the headstay?
This one says in Harken's product info that it is for furling only, not reefing, just in case that matters for anyone's application. I take that to mean fully furled or fully deployed are the two operating modes for it...not partly furled (reefed).
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
George, You have a few years on me, but I already love my furler. If the wind is right, I can often zip the jib up when approaching the slip and come in under sail, and getting underway is a breeze. Stepping the mast and securing the rig for trailering is really no more difficult. Truly a miracle gadget if you are not a total traditionalist. On Jun 29, 2015, at 10:09 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill
I have a down haul exactly as you describe and would not sail without one. I am looking to eliminate the need to get on the foredeck in the slip at the start and end of my outing due to my advancing age (83) & diminishing mobility. I am trying to reduce the risk of falling as I experienced this spring getting the boat ready in the driveway. Concrete is harder on the butt than water. I was fortunate that nothing broke just sore for a few weeks:-)
I believe that I need to go to a furler for next season.
George
-----Original Message----- From: Bill Ahrens [mailto:billahrens@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 10:05 PM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
Ok if your only issue is raising and lowering the jib without going to the foredeck, (a good idea), here is the simplest solution. Attach a small Block to the foredeck near where the forestay attaches. Run a small line, 1/8 - 3/16 through the block and tie one end to the head of the jib, run the other end back to the cabin top so you can secure it to a cleat or something. Raise the jib with the halyard. When you want to lower the jib, free the halyard and pull on the small line until the jib is all the way down. Secure the small line. Stretch the appropriate jib sheet back so the clew of the jib stays under control. All is now under control. Bill Ahrens W. A. Ahrens & Associates
On Jun 29, 2015, at 7:18 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert
I am trying to get there for a bit less. I am still a bit confused as to how he system works'. I see in the Harken literature that you can get a top furler that will allow you to install without replacing the forestay and that allows for change in the Jib headstay tension. I know it calls for a wire in the jib headstay so I would have to have my jib modified along with a sun screen sown on. I am trying to stay under $500.
Can the system you have for sale be added without a forestay change? Or does the wire Luff in the jib take the place of the forestay? How do you tension the forestay or Jib Luff? Is that done by the Jib halyard?. As you can see I still have a lot of questions.
George -----Original Message----- From: Robert Hall [mailto:bert.hall@bell.net] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 9:10 AM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
Hi George, I did exactly as you are doing and as you know opted for the CDI.
Total cost for new sail,new fore stay and furler came in at about $1000. Cheers RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 11:47 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
Robert
I will keep your offer in mind as I complete my "Due Diligence" on the subject of Furling for an M15
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 9:54 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
George, I have a swivel and drum set similar to the Harken prduct from a Siren I once owned which I will part with for $100 plus postage. The only mod to the hank on procedure you are currently using is the insertion if a wire in the luff of your jib which then become the fore sail. With this system the jib is either set or furled,but at least you eliminate the hank on inconvenience. RTH.-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:01 PM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
On 06/27/2015 02:27 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: ... ... What are your thoughts on the Harken Small Boat Furler ($250) where the Jib Luff wire becomes the headstay?
This one says in Harken's product info that it is for furling only, not reefing, just in case that matters for anyone's application. I take that to mean fully furled or fully deployed are the two operating modes for it...not partly furled (reefed).
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Tom What Furler do you have? Did you install or have it done? Did you have to get a new Jib or did you modify your existing Jib? George -----Original Message----- From: Tom Jenkins [mailto:tjenkins@schat.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 4:40 PM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle George, You have a few years on me, but I already love my furler. If the wind is right, I can often zip the jib up when approaching the slip and come in under sail, and getting underway is a breeze. Stepping the mast and securing the rig for trailering is really no more difficult. Truly a miracle gadget if you are not a total traditionalist. On Jun 29, 2015, at 10:09 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill
I have a down haul exactly as you describe and would not sail without one. I am looking to eliminate the need to get on the foredeck in the slip at the start and end of my outing due to my advancing age (83) & diminishing mobility. I am trying to reduce the risk of falling as I experienced this spring getting the boat ready in the driveway. Concrete is harder on the butt than water. I was fortunate that nothing broke just sore for a few weeks:-)
I believe that I need to go to a furler for next season.
George
-----Original Message----- From: Bill Ahrens [mailto:billahrens@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 10:05 PM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
Ok if your only issue is raising and lowering the jib without going to the foredeck, (a good idea), here is the simplest solution. Attach a small Block to the foredeck near where the forestay attaches. Run a small line, 1/8 - 3/16 through the block and tie one end to the head of the jib, run the other end back to the cabin top so you can secure it to a cleat or something. Raise the jib with the halyard. When you want to lower the jib, free the halyard and pull on the small line until the jib is all the way down. Secure the small line. Stretch the appropriate jib sheet back so the clew of the jib stays under control. All is now under control. Bill Ahrens W. A. Ahrens & Associates
On Jun 29, 2015, at 7:18 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert
I am trying to get there for a bit less. I am still a bit confused as to how he system works'. I see in the Harken literature that you can get a top furler that will allow you to install without replacing the forestay and that allows for change in the Jib headstay tension. I know it calls for a wire in the jib headstay so I would have to have my jib modified along with a sun screen sown on. I am trying to stay under $500.
Can the system you have for sale be added without a forestay change? Or does the wire Luff in the jib take the place of the forestay? How do you tension the forestay or Jib Luff? Is that done by the Jib halyard?. As you can see I still have a lot of questions.
George -----Original Message----- From: Robert Hall [mailto:bert.hall@bell.net] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 9:10 AM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
Hi George, I did exactly as you are doing and as you know opted for the CDI.
Total cost for new sail,new fore stay and furler came in at about $1000. Cheers RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 11:47 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
Robert
I will keep your offer in mind as I complete my "Due Diligence" on the subject of Furling for an M15
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 9:54 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
George, I have a swivel and drum set similar to the Harken prduct from a Siren I once owned which I will part with for $100 plus postage. The only mod to the hank on procedure you are currently using is the insertion if a wire in the luff of your jib which then become the fore sail. With this system the jib is either set or furled,but at least you eliminate the hank on inconvenience. RTH.-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:01 PM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
On 06/27/2015 02:27 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: ... ... What are your thoughts on the Harken Small Boat Furler ($250) where the Jib Luff wire becomes the headstay?
This one says in Harken's product info that it is for furling only, not reefing, just in case that matters for anyone's application. I take that to mean fully furled or fully deployed are the two operating modes for it...not partly furled (reefed).
cheers, John S.
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Bill Ahrens -
George Iemmolo -
John Schinnerer -
Robert Hall -
Tom Jenkins