Alternative battery location on M17?
Asking if anyone has their battery mounted anywhere differently than the port side, just inside the bunk bulkhead on an M17? I was thinking of the possibility of moving it forward and on the centerline. Would need longer battery cables and a new fuse located close to the new location. The recent discussion on cockpit drains etc, got me thinking about shifting some weight forward, as well as away from the port side, since the main anchor is also stored on that side in the port cockpit locker. Since the boat is covered and stored, I will have to wait a few months to look this over. Bill Makin' Time M17 #622
Bill, On my M-15, I placed my battery in the forward hatch on the center line. I was the first to install elec. in my boat, so I did not have any of the relocation issues that you mention. Skip -----Original Message----- From: Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 10:48 am Subject: M_Boats: Alternative battery location on M17? Asking if anyone has their battery mounted anywhere differently than the ort side, just inside the bunk bulkhead on an M17? I was thinking of the ossibility of moving it forward and on the centerline. Would need longer attery cables and a new fuse located close to the new location. The recent iscussion on cockpit drains etc, got me thinking about shifting some eight forward, as well as away from the port side, since the main anchor s also stored on that side in the port cockpit locker. Since the boat is overed and stored, I will have to wait a few months to look this over. Bill akin' Time M17 #622
On 06-Dec-12 11:03 AM, wcampion@aol.com wrote: Hi Bill, Where to put your battery is largely a function of how big a battery you want to install. If you need a large battery for an electric trolling motor it has to be located as far forward as you can. I was only looking at a small amount of 12 volt DC power for my GPS (to save on replaceable batteries); and for a little "pancake" SONY CD player, for enjoyable music while sailing. My solution was to install a small motorcycle battery inside the starboard storage area under the berth. It was easily accessible; the weight was negligible; and I could easily take it home for recharging. I installed a small electrical distribution panel against the hull just at the aft end of the berth. I ran my wiring through a piece of small diameter plastic pipe, which I could bend to conform with the curvature of the M15 hull. The location of the electrical panel allowed me to plug in a cigarette plug to power my accessories. Connie
Bill,
On my M-15, I placed my battery in the forward hatch on the center line. I was the first to install elec. in my boat, so I did not have any of the relocation issues that you mention.
Skip
-----Original Message----- From: Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 10:48 am Subject: M_Boats: Alternative battery location on M17?
Asking if anyone has their battery mounted anywhere differently than the ort side, just inside the bunk bulkhead on an M17? I was thinking of the ossibility of moving it forward and on the centerline. Would need longer attery cables and a new fuse located close to the new location. The recent iscussion on cockpit drains etc, got me thinking about shifting some eight forward, as well as away from the port side, since the main anchor s also stored on that side in the port cockpit locker. Since the boat is overed and stored, I will have to wait a few months to look this over. Bill akin' Time M17 #622
I also installed my Group 24, 75ah, battery there. fiberglassed in some 2x4's to frame in the battery box. Also mounted a three stage charger up there and an ac line filter. ----- Original Message ----- From: <wcampion@aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 6:48 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Alternative battery location on M17? Bill, On my M-15, I placed my battery in the forward hatch on the center line. I was the first to install elec. in my boat, so I did not have any of the relocation issues that you mention. Skip -----Original Message----- From: Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 10:48 am Subject: M_Boats: Alternative battery location on M17? Asking if anyone has their battery mounted anywhere differently than the ort side, just inside the bunk bulkhead on an M17? I was thinking of the ossibility of moving it forward and on the centerline. Would need longer attery cables and a new fuse located close to the new location. The recent iscussion on cockpit drains etc, got me thinking about shifting some eight forward, as well as away from the port side, since the main anchor s also stored on that side in the port cockpit locker. Since the boat is overed and stored, I will have to wait a few months to look this over. Bill akin' Time M17 #622
Bill: Does the 'liner pan' under your v-berth extend forward of the spaces that hold the current battery location, compress post and the potti? :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Thu, 12/6/12, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Asking if anyone has their battery mounted anywhere differently than the port side, just inside the bunk bulkhead on an M17? I was thinking of the possibility of moving it forward and on the centerline. Would need longer battery cables and a new fuse located close to the new location. The recent discussion on cockpit drains etc, got me thinking about shifting some weight forward, as well as away from the port side, since the main anchor is also stored on that side in the port cockpit locker. Since the boat is covered and stored, I will have to wait a few months to look this over.
Bill Makin' Time M17 #622
Thanks to Skip, Connie and Dave for replying so fast. I should have explained the existing set up better. The boat already has a factory installed electrical system. with Group 24 battery, main switch, 8 position panel, 12V socket outlet, shore power connection with Guest 2 stage charger and AC outlet. So I was polling to see if there have been any other battery locations, other than the factory set up, which puts the battery port side. I think I know where it can go, forward. Will involve setting a new battery shelf with tie downs in thickened epoxy over the centerline forward. Will have to be able to access it for seasonal removal, or topping up. Will run new longer battery cables aft to the panel and charger. Has anyone else done this? To answer your question Dave about the pan liner. No, it does not extend forward of the aft bunk bulk head. Under the V berth is just the hull, no liner. There are plywood shelves for the battery and under the pottie hatch. We use Wag Bags so use the pottie location for other storage when cruising. Mostly my wife's storage. I have a bin down the port qberth. Bill On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:52 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bill:
Does the 'liner pan' under your v-berth extend forward of the spaces that hold the current battery location, compress post and the potti?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Thu, 12/6/12, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Asking if anyone has their battery mounted anywhere differently than the port side, just inside the bunk bulkhead on an M17? I was thinking of the possibility of moving it forward and on the centerline. Would need longer battery cables and a new fuse located close to the new location. The recent discussion on cockpit drains etc, got me thinking about shifting some weight forward, as well as away from the port side, since the main anchor is also stored on that side in the port cockpit locker. Since the boat is covered and stored, I will have to wait a few months to look this over.
Bill Makin' Time M17 #622
Bill: wondered for your boat as my M17 has a fiberglass pan that goes way forward under the bow with spaces/nooks/attachments for potti, mast compression post, battery and a 'shelf' ... always guessed it was for a water tank. i say if you are willing to take on the project move the battery on your boat. just build a pad, that you fiberglass to the hull, so you can attach the battery security strap. put it as far forward as you can reach (for both installing the pad and then reaching the battery). i suggest you use a battery box with straps -- secures the batter and a protection against acid spills (if wet cell) and keeps other items from getting in contact with the battery pos and neg posts. be sure that you don't make the pad to high that the battery box will not fit. getting longer positive and negative leads isn't difficult. west marine may have 'stock' sizes that are long enough. just take your current leads with you to confirm the lugs are the correct size. moving the battery would free up the port-aft 'locker' of the v-berth for easy access and, like you noted, be a good counter-balance to the crew in the cockpit. IMO the more useable locker space if the greatest advantage. if you want pictures of how to do the above let me know. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Thu, 12/6/12, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks to Skip, Connie and Dave for replying so fast.
I should have explained the existing set up better. The boat already has a factory installed electrical system. with Group 24 battery, main switch, 8 position panel, 12V socket outlet, shore power connection with Guest 2 stage charger and AC outlet.
So I was polling to see if there have been any other battery locations, other than the factory set up, which puts the battery port side. I think I know where it can go, forward. Will involve setting a new battery shelf with tie downs in thickened epoxy over the centerline forward. Will have to be able to access it for seasonal removal, or topping up. Will run new longer battery cables aft to the panel and charger.
Has anyone else done this?
To answer your question Dave about the pan liner. No, it does not extend forward of the aft bunk bulk head. Under the V berth is just the hull, no liner. There are plywood shelves for the battery and under the pottie hatch. We use Wag Bags so use the pottie location for other storage when cruising. Mostly my wife's storage. I have a bin down the port qberth.
Bill
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:52 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bill:
Does the 'liner pan' under your v-berth extend forward of the spaces that hold the current battery location, compress post and the potti?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Thu, 12/6/12, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Asking if anyone has their battery mounted anywhere differently than the port side, just inside the bunk bulkhead on an
M17? I was
thinking of the possibility of moving it forward and on the centerline. Would need longer battery cables and a new fuse located close to the new location. The recent discussion on cockpit drains etc, got me thinking about shifting some weight forward, as well as away from the port side, since the main anchor is also stored on that side in the port cockpit locker. Since the boat is covered and stored, I will have to wait a few months to look this over.
Bill Makin' Time M17 #622
Thanks Dave. I was thinking along how you described. Already have the battery box w/ straps in the existing position. Will have to extend a couple of other smaller wires that are direct wired to the battery (w/ inline fuses). I think I would run all the cables up along the bottom of the V berth aft to the compression post area where the charger and panel reside. I followed your lead on sealing off the aft gas locker a few years ago. Doing a new battery shelf can't be any worse than bending over into that aft locker, trying to get the glass strips up into place without them landing on your face :P Bill On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:08 PM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bill:
wondered for your boat as my M17 has a fiberglass pan that goes way forward under the bow with spaces/nooks/attachments for potti, mast compression post, battery and a 'shelf' ... always guessed it was for a water tank.
i say if you are willing to take on the project move the battery on your boat. just build a pad, that you fiberglass to the hull, so you can attach the battery security strap. put it as far forward as you can reach (for both installing the pad and then reaching the battery). i suggest you use a battery box with straps -- secures the batter and a protection against acid spills (if wet cell) and keeps other items from getting in contact with the battery pos and neg posts. be sure that you don't make the pad to high that the battery box will not fit.
getting longer positive and negative leads isn't difficult. west marine may have 'stock' sizes that are long enough. just take your current leads with you to confirm the lugs are the correct size.
moving the battery would free up the port-aft 'locker' of the v-berth for easy access and, like you noted, be a good counter-balance to the crew in the cockpit. IMO the more useable locker space if the greatest advantage.
if you want pictures of how to do the above let me know.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Thu, 12/6/12, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks to Skip, Connie and Dave for replying so fast.
I should have explained the existing set up better. The boat already has a factory installed electrical system. with Group 24 battery, main switch, 8 position panel, 12V socket outlet, shore power connection with Guest 2 stage charger and AC outlet.
So I was polling to see if there have been any other battery locations, other than the factory set up, which puts the battery port side. I think I know where it can go, forward. Will involve setting a new battery shelf with tie downs in thickened epoxy over the centerline forward. Will have to be able to access it for seasonal removal, or topping up. Will run new longer battery cables aft to the panel and charger.
Has anyone else done this?
To answer your question Dave about the pan liner. No, it does not extend forward of the aft bunk bulk head. Under the V berth is just the hull, no liner. There are plywood shelves for the battery and under the pottie hatch. We use Wag Bags so use the pottie location for other storage when cruising. Mostly my wife's storage. I have a bin down the port qberth.
Bill
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:52 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bill:
Does the 'liner pan' under your v-berth extend forward of the spaces that hold the current battery location, compress post and the potti?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Thu, 12/6/12, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Asking if anyone has their battery mounted anywhere differently than the port side, just inside the bunk bulkhead on an
M17? I was
thinking of the possibility of moving it forward and on the centerline. Would need longer battery cables and a new fuse located close to the new location. The recent discussion on cockpit drains etc, got me thinking about shifting some weight forward, as well as away from the port side, since the main anchor is also stored on that side in the port cockpit locker. Since the boat is covered and stored, I will have to wait a few months to look this over.
Bill Makin' Time M17 #622
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