Sunday was a nice windy day so I asked a friend to take some pictures of my modified rig on the M15. http://montgomeryowners.com/gallery/ The winds were a steady 15kts with gusts to 25 kts. What a hoot :-) I have a lot to learn about tuning the rig but she handled exceptionally well. I was able to carry full sail during the 12 - 15 kts without an serious heeling and the gaff rig shed the intial 20 kt gusts pretty well. As the wind increased the tacking became slower with all of the leverage against the turn with the jib way out there. The wind increased to 18 kts with gusts to 25 kts so I put 1 reef in the main and with 1 gust over 25 and the main fully release the jibs absolutely took control and we took off to leward. The boat was a little sluggish to me going to windward with both jibs up and 1 reef in the main so I rolled up the jib and sailed under the staysail and single reefed main with a substanial increase in speed. Interesting. This is going to be a fun season. :-) Thanks Doug Kelch "Seas the Day"
Doug, What a SALTY little boat!! This hull looks perfectly suited to this sail plan, Nice conversion!!! Sail on Sail on Sailor Mark E M17 F/D #103 AMY ________________________________ From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: Montgomery <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:15:59 AM Subject: M_Boats: gaff rig pictures Sunday was a nice windy day so I asked a friend to take some pictures of my modified rig on the M15. http://montgomeryowners.com/gallery/ The winds were a steady 15kts with gusts to 25 kts. What a hoot :-) I have a lot to learn about tuning the rig but she handled exceptionally well. I was able to carry full sail during the 12 - 15 kts without an serious heeling and the gaff rig shed the intial 20 kt gusts pretty well. As the wind increased the tacking became slower with all of the leverage against the turn with the jib way out there. The wind increased to 18 kts with gusts to 25 kts so I put 1 reef in the main and with 1 gust over 25 and the main fully release the jibs absolutely took control and we took off to leward. The boat was a little sluggish to me going to windward with both jibs up and 1 reef in the main so I rolled up the jib and sailed under the staysail and single reefed main with a substanial increase in speed. Interesting. This is going to be a fun season. :-) Thanks Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
Hi Doug, Your M15 looks great as a gaff rigged cutter. Now could I propose another "slight" modification? How about a yard on the mast and a square sail for down wind sailing? More strings to pull. Makes the landlubbers stand there and gawk as you sail by.... You could also use the Bolger design approach (Bolger MICRO as an example) and add a mizzen at the transom with a sliding mizzen boom for sheeting and turn your ship into a yawl cutter With two masts you can fly more flags and pennants. I found it great fun. Congratulations on the elegant looking design and it's successful execution. Connie Doug Kelch wrote:
Sunday was a nice windy day so I asked a friend to take some pictures of my modified rig on the M15.
http://montgomeryowners.com/gallery/
The winds were a steady 15kts with gusts to 25 kts. What a hoot :-)
I have a lot to learn about tuning the rig but she handled exceptionally well. I was able to carry full sail during the 12 - 15 kts without an serious heeling and the gaff rig shed the intial 20 kt gusts pretty well.
As the wind increased the tacking became slower with all of the leverage against the turn with the jib way out there.
The wind increased to 18 kts with gusts to 25 kts so I put 1 reef in the main and with 1 gust over 25 and the main fully release the jibs absolutely took control and we took off to leward.
The boat was a little sluggish to me going to windward with both jibs up and 1 reef in the main so I rolled up the jib and sailed under the staysail and single reefed main with a substanial increase in speed. Interesting.
This is going to be a fun season. :-)
Thanks
Doug Kelch "Seas the Day"
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Or a gafftopsail to bring the square feet up to a Marconi. ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: <doug_kelch@yahoo.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 1:27 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: gaff rig pictures
Hi Doug,
Your M15 looks great as a gaff rigged cutter.
Now could I propose another "slight" modification? How about a yard on the mast and a square sail for down wind sailing?
More strings to pull.
Makes the landlubbers stand there and gawk as you sail by....
You could also use the Bolger design approach (Bolger MICRO as an example) and add a mizzen at the transom with a sliding mizzen boom for sheeting and turn your ship into a yawl cutter
With two masts you can fly more flags and pennants.
I found it great fun.
Congratulations on the elegant looking design and it's successful execution.
Connie
Doug Kelch wrote:
Sunday was a nice windy day so I asked a friend to take some pictures of my modified rig on the M15.
http://montgomeryowners.com/gallery/
The winds were a steady 15kts with gusts to 25 kts. What a hoot :-) I have a lot to learn about tuning the rig but she handled exceptionally well. I was able to carry full sail during the 12 - 15 kts without an serious heeling and the gaff rig shed the intial 20 kt gusts pretty well. As the wind increased the tacking became slower with all of the leverage against the turn with the jib way out there. The wind increased to 18 kts with gusts to 25 kts so I put 1 reef in the main and with 1 gust over 25 and the main fully release the jibs absolutely took control and we took off to leward. The boat was a little sluggish to me going to windward with both jibs up and 1 reef in the main so I rolled up the jib and sailed under the staysail and single reefed main with a substanial increase in speed. Interesting.
This is going to be a fun season. :-)
Thanks
Doug Kelch "Seas the Day"
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Tom, I do expect to add a topsail but wanted to make sure the design and function were solid before I went for the goodies. By the way, this gaff cutter implementation has 140 sq feet of sail area and the M15 Marconi rig only has 108 sq feet. The topsail would add another 10 - 20 sq feet. I am looking forward to sailing with another M15 to see how the performance compares. Thanks Doug --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote: From: Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: gaff rig pictures To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 6:01 PM Or a gafftopsail to bring the square feet up to a Marconi. ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: <doug_kelch@yahoo.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 1:27 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: gaff rig pictures
Hi Doug,
Your M15 looks great as a gaff rigged cutter.
Now could I propose another "slight" modification? How about a yard on the mast and a square sail for down wind sailing?
More strings to pull.
Makes the landlubbers stand there and gawk as you sail by....
You could also use the Bolger design approach (Bolger MICRO as an example) and add a mizzen at the transom with a sliding mizzen boom for sheeting and turn your ship into a yawl cutter
With two masts you can fly more flags and pennants.
I found it great fun.
Congratulations on the elegant looking design and it's successful execution.
Connie
Doug Kelch wrote:
Sunday was a nice windy day so I asked a friend to take some pictures of my modified rig on the M15.
http://montgomeryowners.com/gallery/
The winds were a steady 15kts with gusts to 25 kts. What a hoot :-) I have a lot to learn about tuning the rig but she handled exceptionally well. I was able to carry full sail during the 12 - 15 kts without an serious heeling and the gaff rig shed the intial 20 kt gusts pretty well. As the wind increased the tacking became slower with all of the leverage against the turn with the jib way out there. The wind increased to 18 kts with gusts to 25 kts so I put 1 reef in the main and with 1 gust over 25 and the main fully release the jibs absolutely took control and we took off to leward. The boat was a little sluggish to me going to windward with both jibs up and 1 reef in the main so I rolled up the jib and sailed under the staysail and single reefed main with a substanial increase in speed. Interesting.
This is going to be a fun season. :-)
Thanks
Doug Kelch "Seas the Day"
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That's a wicked cool rig; congrats for your achievement. I have never sailed an M15, but my gaff-rigged WW Potter (albeit a Gunter gaff) is too tender to sail with the boom that high, suggesting that the Montgomery is innately more stable. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Kelch" <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: "Montgomery" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:15 AM Subject: M_Boats: gaff rig pictures Sunday was a nice windy day so I asked a friend to take some pictures of my modified rig on the M15. http://montgomeryowners.com/gallery/ The winds were a steady 15kts with gusts to 25 kts. What a hoot :-) I have a lot to learn about tuning the rig but she handled exceptionally well. I was able to carry full sail during the 12 - 15 kts without an serious heeling and the gaff rig shed the intial 20 kt gusts pretty well. As the wind increased the tacking became slower with all of the leverage against the turn with the jib way out there. The wind increased to 18 kts with gusts to 25 kts so I put 1 reef in the main and with 1 gust over 25 and the main fully release the jibs absolutely took control and we took off to leward. The boat was a little sluggish to me going to windward with both jibs up and 1 reef in the main so I rolled up the jib and sailed under the staysail and single reefed main with a substanial increase in speed. Interesting. This is going to be a fun season. :-) Thanks Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
Doug, It looks fantastic! You can tell from the pictures that the lower CE reduces heeling and that puts the effort into forward progress. The boom is really high - a good thing on light days. I'd be inclined to lower the main a bit, if possible, when it's really blowing. I do that now as I have a few inches of play. Bill Riker M15 - #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Doug Kelch Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:16 AM To: Montgomery Subject: M_Boats: gaff rig pictures Sunday was a nice windy day so I asked a friend to take some pictures of my modified rig on the M15. http://montgomeryowners.com/gallery/ The winds were a steady 15kts with gusts to 25 kts. What a hoot :-) I have a lot to learn about tuning the rig but she handled exceptionally well. I was able to carry full sail during the 12 - 15 kts without an serious heeling and the gaff rig shed the intial 20 kt gusts pretty well. As the wind increased the tacking became slower with all of the leverage against the turn with the jib way out there. The wind increased to 18 kts with gusts to 25 kts so I put 1 reef in the main and with 1 gust over 25 and the main fully release the jibs absolutely took control and we took off to leward. The boat was a little sluggish to me going to windward with both jibs up and 1 reef in the main so I rolled up the jib and sailed under the staysail and single reefed main with a substanial increase in speed. Interesting. This is going to be a fun season. :-) Thanks Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
Doug, thanks for posting pictures! What a pretty boat the M-15 is with the gaff and cutter rig! Makes my heart sing. I think you may be starting a movement... Robbin Doug Kelch wrote:
Sunday was a nice windy day so I asked a friend to take some pictures of my modified rig on the M15.
http://montgomeryowners.com/gallery/
The winds were a steady 15kts with gusts to 25 kts. What a hoot :-)
I have a lot to learn about tuning the rig but she handled exceptionally well. I was able to carry full sail during the 12 - 15 kts without an serious heeling and the gaff rig shed the intial 20 kt gusts pretty well.
As the wind increased the tacking became slower with all of the leverage against the turn with the jib way out there.
The wind increased to 18 kts with gusts to 25 kts so I put 1 reef in the main and with 1 gust over 25 and the main fully release the jibs absolutely took control and we took off to leward.
The boat was a little sluggish to me going to windward with both jibs up and 1 reef in the main so I rolled up the jib and sailed under the staysail and single reefed main with a substanial increase in speed. Interesting.
This is going to be a fun season. :-)
Thanks
Doug Kelch "Seas the Day"
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