I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless. David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky Sent from my iPhone
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee" On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky
Sent from my iPhone
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time.... Hahahahahahahahaha t On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky
Sent from my iPhone
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky
Sent from my iPhone
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling -----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky
Sent from my iPhone
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors? Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;>>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky
Sent from my iPhone
Oh, yeah. Sort of like triming the jib without knots on the lines. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:00 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;>>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky
Sent from my iPhone
Never forget when the wires coming from the distributor on my 68 MGB fused into a solid mass of copper. But as a car it was almost as much fun as an M17. Kept it for 18 years, and hope I can sail Lynne L that long. Rick M17 # 633 Lynne L On Wednesday, April 16, 2014, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Oh, yeah. Sort of like triming the jib without knots on the lines. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:00 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;>>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky
Sent from my iPhone
On 16-Apr-14 9:22 AM, stevetrapp wrote: Lucas was known as "The Prince of Darkness" because Lucas electrics _/always/_ failed at the worst possible time. Another example of MURPHY'S Law at work. Remember those wonderful Lucas cap-like battery cable connectors that were held in place on the battery posts with a wood screw down the center? ...or Lucas fuel pumps where you got burned contacts - i.e., no more fuel: you were dead in the water. Or trying to synchronize SU carburetors by holding a garden hose to your ear to listen to equal hisses....? Or the early Mini-Coopers that were carbon monoxide generators because of poor BMC engineering? Been there; done that too. Connie
Oh, yeah. Sort of like triming the jib without knots on the lines. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:00 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;>>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car >>> to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky
Sent from my iPhone
I finally towed my 1981 M15 1,000 miles south (from Salem, OR to Riverside, CA) and have started the restoration. It's amazing how light this boat is, my 1984 diesel Volvo barely felt it and fuel economy was about the same as when unloaded. The centerboard is rusted and jammed solid in the trunk, and I'm still fighting to get it out. I just picked up a new lead and fiberglass centerboard from Bob Eeg yesterday, and he offered some suggestions I will use to get the old board free. I also placed an order for 4 new sails with Harry Pattison. I decided to go with a double reef main 4" shorter than the current specs (I have the first generation short mast), a nylon drifer, a working jib, and an 85% heavy air jib to balance the reefed main. On Harry's suggestion I didn't get the spec'd storm jib because it's so small. I haven't sailed my M15 yet, but in most sloops I prefer to heave to under main alone, or even bare poles with a storm anchor. I also purchased a small para-anchor for this purpose and hope to experiment with it as practice for heavy weather sailing in larger boats. I'm looking forward to sailing with you guys, hopefully doing the Cruiser Challenge this summer! Sincerely, Tyler 1981 M15 #157 "Defiant"
That is a good recommendation for your Volvo diesel, considering that you had to cross over high mountain passes on either I-5 or Hwy 97, Or did you use the Coast Highway 101? I used my Ford Ranger V-6 to tow my M-15 from Coos Bay, Oregon to Spokane, Washington, but stuck to I-5 then I-84, then Hwy 395 which routed me around the higher mountain passes. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: <casioqv@usermail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 9:49 AM Subject: M_Boats: M15 Restoration in progress
I finally towed my 1981 M15 1,000 miles south (from Salem, OR to Riverside, CA) and have started the restoration. It's amazing how light this boat is, my 1984 diesel Volvo barely felt it and fuel economy was about the same as when unloaded.
The centerboard is rusted and jammed solid in the trunk, and I'm still fighting to get it out. I just picked up a new lead and fiberglass centerboard from Bob Eeg yesterday, and he offered some suggestions I will use to get the old board free.
I also placed an order for 4 new sails with Harry Pattison. I decided to go with a double reef main 4" shorter than the current specs (I have the first generation short mast), a nylon drifer, a working jib, and an 85% heavy air jib to balance the reefed main. On Harry's suggestion I didn't get the spec'd storm jib because it's so small. I haven't sailed my M15 yet, but in most sloops I prefer to heave to under main alone, or even bare poles with a storm anchor. I also purchased a small para-anchor for this purpose and hope to experiment with it as practice for heavy weather sailing in larger boats.
I'm looking forward to sailing with you guys, hopefully doing the Cruiser Challenge this summer!
Sincerely, Tyler 1981 M15 #157 "Defiant"
Steve, I crossed both of the high I5 mountain passes mid-day during warm weather- both the Siskiyou pass and the Grapevine. The Volvo D24T Turbo diesel (the engine is actually made by VW) is very prone to overheating and blowing head gaskets while towing. However, I am a diesel engine nerd, and I have extensively modified the vehicle for towing, as I used to tow my Catalina 22 (over 3,000 lbs on trailer) with it. I have massively upgraded the radiator, cooling fan, oil cooler, thermostat, and water pump. If you're interested here is a long online thread where I detail my modification process for towing a Catalina 22 over the grapevine with this relatively small vehicle. It's actually factory rated to handle the weight of the C22 for towing, and the non-diesel Volvos do it no problem, but the diesel engine has cooling issues to overcome. There are photos, but unfortunately they only appear if you create an account on the site: http://www.d24t.com/showthread.php?s=895043d0e2d5c2b386b9dab16b2e90ae&t=1100 Sincerely, Tyler 1981 M15 #157 "Defiant" ----- Original Message ----- From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:32:14 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Restoration in progress That is a good recommendation for your Volvo diesel, considering that you had to cross over high mountain passes on either I-5 or Hwy 97, Or did you use the Coast Highway 101? I used my Ford Ranger V-6 to tow my M-15 from Coos Bay, Oregon to Spokane, Washington, but stuck to I-5 then I-84, then Hwy 395 which routed me around the higher mountain passes. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: <casioqv@usermail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 9:49 AM Subject: M_Boats: M15 Restoration in progress
I finally towed my 1981 M15 1,000 miles south (from Salem, OR to Riverside, CA) and have started the restoration. It's amazing how light this boat is, my 1984 diesel Volvo barely felt it and fuel economy was about the same as when unloaded.
The centerboard is rusted and jammed solid in the trunk, and I'm still fighting to get it out. I just picked up a new lead and fiberglass centerboard from Bob Eeg yesterday, and he offered some suggestions I will use to get the old board free.
I also placed an order for 4 new sails with Harry Pattison. I decided to go with a double reef main 4" shorter than the current specs (I have the first generation short mast), a nylon drifer, a working jib, and an 85% heavy air jib to balance the reefed main. On Harry's suggestion I didn't get the spec'd storm jib because it's so small. I haven't sailed my M15 yet, but in most sloops I prefer to heave to under main alone, or even bare poles with a storm anchor. I also purchased a small para-anchor for this purpose and hope to experiment with it as practice for heavy weather sailing in larger boats.
I'm looking forward to sailing with you guys, hopefully doing the Cruiser Challenge this summer!
Sincerely, Tyler 1981 M15 #157 "Defiant"
Thanx. Have you discovered the sailing community Fern Ridge Resevoir near Eugene? Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound ----- Original Message ----- From: <casioqv@usermail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:50 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Restoration in progress
Steve,
I crossed both of the high I5 mountain passes mid-day during warm weather- both the Siskiyou pass and the Grapevine.
The Volvo D24T Turbo diesel (the engine is actually made by VW) is very prone to overheating and blowing head gaskets while towing. However, I am a diesel engine nerd, and I have extensively modified the vehicle for towing, as I used to tow my Catalina 22 (over 3,000 lbs on trailer) with it. I have massively upgraded the radiator, cooling fan, oil cooler, thermostat, and water pump.
If you're interested here is a long online thread where I detail my modification process for towing a Catalina 22 over the grapevine with this relatively small vehicle. It's actually factory rated to handle the weight of the C22 for towing, and the non-diesel Volvos do it no problem, but the diesel engine has cooling issues to overcome. There are photos, but unfortunately they only appear if you create an account on the site:
http://www.d24t.com/showthread.php?s=895043d0e2d5c2b386b9dab16b2e90ae&t=1100
Sincerely, Tyler 1981 M15 #157 "Defiant"
----- Original Message ----- From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:32:14 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Restoration in progress
That is a good recommendation for your Volvo diesel, considering that you had to cross over high mountain passes on either I-5 or Hwy 97, Or did you use the Coast Highway 101? I used my Ford Ranger V-6 to tow my M-15 from Coos Bay, Oregon to Spokane, Washington, but stuck to I-5 then I-84, then Hwy 395 which routed me around the higher mountain passes. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: <casioqv@usermail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 9:49 AM Subject: M_Boats: M15 Restoration in progress
I finally towed my 1981 M15 1,000 miles south (from Salem, OR to Riverside, CA) and have started the restoration. It's amazing how light this boat is, my 1984 diesel Volvo barely felt it and fuel economy was about the same as when unloaded.
The centerboard is rusted and jammed solid in the trunk, and I'm still fighting to get it out. I just picked up a new lead and fiberglass centerboard from Bob Eeg yesterday, and he offered some suggestions I will use to get the old board free.
I also placed an order for 4 new sails with Harry Pattison. I decided to go with a double reef main 4" shorter than the current specs (I have the first generation short mast), a nylon drifer, a working jib, and an 85% heavy air jib to balance the reefed main. On Harry's suggestion I didn't get the spec'd storm jib because it's so small. I haven't sailed my M15 yet, but in most sloops I prefer to heave to under main alone, or even bare poles with a storm anchor. I also purchased a small para-anchor for this purpose and hope to experiment with it as practice for heavy weather sailing in larger boats.
I'm looking forward to sailing with you guys, hopefully doing the Cruiser Challenge this summer!
Sincerely, Tyler 1981 M15 #157 "Defiant"
I've been to Fern Ridge before in a canoe before I was into sailing, but I live in California nowadays. Sincerely, Tyler 1981 M15 #157 "Defiant" ----- Original Message ----- From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 11:01:45 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Restoration in progress Thanx. Have you discovered the sailing community Fern Ridge Resevoir near Eugene? Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound ----- Original Message ----- From: <casioqv@usermail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:50 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Restoration in progress
Steve,
I crossed both of the high I5 mountain passes mid-day during warm weather- both the Siskiyou pass and the Grapevine.
The Volvo D24T Turbo diesel (the engine is actually made by VW) is very prone to overheating and blowing head gaskets while towing. However, I am a diesel engine nerd, and I have extensively modified the vehicle for towing, as I used to tow my Catalina 22 (over 3,000 lbs on trailer) with it. I have massively upgraded the radiator, cooling fan, oil cooler, thermostat, and water pump.
If you're interested here is a long online thread where I detail my modification process for towing a Catalina 22 over the grapevine with this relatively small vehicle. It's actually factory rated to handle the weight of the C22 for towing, and the non-diesel Volvos do it no problem, but the diesel engine has cooling issues to overcome. There are photos, but unfortunately they only appear if you create an account on the site:
http://www.d24t.com/showthread.php?s=895043d0e2d5c2b386b9dab16b2e90ae&t=1100
Sincerely, Tyler 1981 M15 #157 "Defiant"
----- Original Message ----- From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:32:14 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Restoration in progress
That is a good recommendation for your Volvo diesel, considering that you had to cross over high mountain passes on either I-5 or Hwy 97, Or did you use the Coast Highway 101? I used my Ford Ranger V-6 to tow my M-15 from Coos Bay, Oregon to Spokane, Washington, but stuck to I-5 then I-84, then Hwy 395 which routed me around the higher mountain passes. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: <casioqv@usermail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 9:49 AM Subject: M_Boats: M15 Restoration in progress
I finally towed my 1981 M15 1,000 miles south (from Salem, OR to Riverside, CA) and have started the restoration. It's amazing how light this boat is, my 1984 diesel Volvo barely felt it and fuel economy was about the same as when unloaded.
The centerboard is rusted and jammed solid in the trunk, and I'm still fighting to get it out. I just picked up a new lead and fiberglass centerboard from Bob Eeg yesterday, and he offered some suggestions I will use to get the old board free.
I also placed an order for 4 new sails with Harry Pattison. I decided to go with a double reef main 4" shorter than the current specs (I have the first generation short mast), a nylon drifer, a working jib, and an 85% heavy air jib to balance the reefed main. On Harry's suggestion I didn't get the spec'd storm jib because it's so small. I haven't sailed my M15 yet, but in most sloops I prefer to heave to under main alone, or even bare poles with a storm anchor. I also purchased a small para-anchor for this purpose and hope to experiment with it as practice for heavy weather sailing in larger boats.
I'm looking forward to sailing with you guys, hopefully doing the Cruiser Challenge this summer!
Sincerely, Tyler 1981 M15 #157 "Defiant"
I won’t go into all the electrical and other failures, but my Triumph TR3 ate starters for lunch. Luckily, Triumph provided a nice non-Lucas crank as standard equipment, so my arm ended up as the starter. On Apr 16, 2014, at 8:46 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16-Apr-14 9:22 AM, stevetrapp wrote:
Lucas was known as "The Prince of Darkness" because Lucas electrics _/always/_ failed at the worst possible time. Another example of MURPHY'S Law at work.
Remember those wonderful Lucas cap-like battery cable connectors that were held in place on the battery posts with a wood screw down the center?
...or Lucas fuel pumps where you got burned contacts - i.e., no more fuel: you were dead in the water.
Or trying to synchronize SU carburetors by holding a garden hose to your ear to listen to equal hisses....?
Or the early Mini-Coopers that were carbon monoxide generators because of poor BMC engineering?
Been there; done that too.
Connie
Oh, yeah. Sort of like triming the jib without knots on the lines. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:00 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;>>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
> I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there > flying > my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car >>> to > get > home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home > the > gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak > out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always > harmless. > > David Grah > Bishop California > Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky > > Sent from my iPhone > >
We'll just consider that training for handling the winches on your yacht! ~Skip~
On Apr 16, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
I won’t go into all the electrical and other failures, but my Triumph TR3 ate starters for lunch. Luckily, Triumph provided a nice non-Lucas crank as standard equipment, so my arm ended up as the starter.
On Apr 16, 2014, at 8:46 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16-Apr-14 9:22 AM, stevetrapp wrote:
Lucas was known as "The Prince of Darkness" because Lucas electrics _/always/_ failed at the worst possible time. Another example of MURPHY'S Law at work.
Remember those wonderful Lucas cap-like battery cable connectors that were held in place on the battery posts with a wood screw down the center?
...or Lucas fuel pumps where you got burned contacts - i.e., no more fuel: you were dead in the water.
Or trying to synchronize SU carburetors by holding a garden hose to your ear to listen to equal hisses....?
Or the early Mini-Coopers that were carbon monoxide generators because of poor BMC engineering?
Been there; done that too.
Connie
Oh, yeah. Sort of like triming the jib without knots on the lines. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:00 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;>>wrote:
> Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) > ----- > John Tyner > M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee" > >> On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote: >> >> I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there >> flying >> my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car >>> to >> get >> home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home >> the >> gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak >> out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always >> harmless. >> >> David Grah >> Bishop California >> Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky >> >> Sent from my iPhone
Understand, I too carried an armstrong crank in my 1955 MGTF. Among the things I like about my M-15, don't need a backup crank. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk@gte.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 12:19 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel I won’t go into all the electrical and other failures, but my Triumph TR3 ate starters for lunch. Luckily, Triumph provided a nice non-Lucas crank as standard equipment, so my arm ended up as the starter. On Apr 16, 2014, at 8:46 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16-Apr-14 9:22 AM, stevetrapp wrote:
Lucas was known as "The Prince of Darkness" because Lucas electrics _/always/_ failed at the worst possible time. Another example of MURPHY'S Law at work.
Remember those wonderful Lucas cap-like battery cable connectors that were held in place on the battery posts with a wood screw down the center?
...or Lucas fuel pumps where you got burned contacts - i.e., no more fuel: you were dead in the water.
Or trying to synchronize SU carburetors by holding a garden hose to your ear to listen to equal hisses....?
Or the early Mini-Coopers that were carbon monoxide generators because of poor BMC engineering?
Been there; done that too.
Connie
Oh, yeah. Sort of like triming the jib without knots on the lines. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:00 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;>>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
> I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there > flying > my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car >>> to > get > home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home > the > gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak > out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always > harmless. > > David Grah > Bishop California > Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky > > Sent from my iPhone > >
Who remembers driving down a dark highway on a Norton and having the lights go out? t On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:00 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;>>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky
Sent from my iPhone
On 16-Apr-14 10:55 AM, Tom Smith wrote: ...or oil leaking from all the banjo fittings on all the exterior oil lines going to the valve train? C
Who remembers driving down a dark highway on a Norton and having the lights go out? t
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:00 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;>>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky
Sent from my iPhone
Thanks for the memories, but I have no experience with SU carbs, Lucas electric systems, or british cars or motorcycles. I do have experience with Montgomery boats, and that's why I subscribe here. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:56 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel Who remembers driving down a dark highway on a Norton and having the lights go out? t On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:00 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;>>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky
Sent from my iPhone
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On 16-Apr-14 11:02 AM, Thomas Howe wrote: Hi Thomas, You're right. This is the happy Montgomery sailing gang; not the disgruntled British car / motorcycle gang venting their anger. However, having tons of experience on malfunctioning British automotive equipment from the past does make you a better sailor / Captain because when you do have a problem you have lots of background experience on what can go wrong; and in where to look / and how to fix things with bailing wire and string - if need be. Connie
Thanks for the memories, but I have no experience with SU carbs, Lucas electric systems, or british cars or motorcycles. I do have experience with Montgomery boats, and that's why I subscribe here.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:56 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Who remembers driving down a dark highway on a Norton and having the lights go out? t
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:00 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;>>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky
Sent from my iPhone
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Who remembers Nortons? BSAs? On Wednesday, April 16, 2014, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Who remembers driving down a dark highway on a Norton and having the lights go out? t
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:00 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com<javascript:;>> wrote:
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky
Sent from my iPhone
I don't mean to be bitchy, I enjoy British vehicles, I've owned a Triumph Spit6, a GT6 and Spitfire crossmating, I spend most Thursday with my Thursday Night Hovel Monkeys group working on motorcycles, including Nortons, Beezers, Triumphs, BMWs, LaVerdas, MotoGuzzis, and a broad variety of others. And I know that this is a common bond among members of this board. But it is about boats, not motor vehicles. I thought that the AvGas comments were relevant to the outboards that we all use, but the digression belongs elsewhere. Perhaps the britmoheads could have an off board e mail conversation, but have I said that I enjoy this mailing list for boat conversation? The motorstuff has a place, but it's not here. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rick Davies Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 3:01 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel Who remembers Nortons? BSAs? On Wednesday, April 16, 2014, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Who remembers driving down a dark highway on a Norton and having the lights go out? t
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:00 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com<javascript:;>> wrote:
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky
Sent from my iPhone
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So, we'll not be talking about tow vehicles any time soon? On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Thomas Howe <Thomas@thomashoweonline.com>wrote:
I don't mean to be bitchy, I enjoy British vehicles, I've owned a Triumph Spit6, a GT6 and Spitfire crossmating, I spend most Thursday with my Thursday Night Hovel Monkeys group working on motorcycles, including Nortons, Beezers, Triumphs, BMWs, LaVerdas, MotoGuzzis, and a broad variety of others. And I know that this is a common bond among members of this board. But it is about boats, not motor vehicles. I thought that the AvGas comments were relevant to the outboards that we all use, but the digression belongs elsewhere. Perhaps the britmoheads could have an off board e mail conversation, but have I said that I enjoy this mailing list for boat conversation? The motorstuff has a place, but it's not here.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rick Davies Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 3:01 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Who remembers Nortons? BSAs?
On Wednesday, April 16, 2014, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Who remembers driving down a dark highway on a Norton and having the lights go out? t
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:00 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com<javascript:;>> wrote:
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
> I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when > there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead > aviation fuel in the car to > get > home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I > got home > the > gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the > gas to leak > out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not > always harmless. > > David Grah > Bishop California > Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky > > Sent from my iPhone > >
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I don't post here a whole lot, but I do read most every post, on topic or not, I find most of them of interest. That said, there are many boards/lists that I don't frequent any more thanks to the topic police. The digression was just fine where it was. On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
So, we'll not be talking about tow vehicles any time soon?
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Thomas Howe <Thomas@thomashoweonline.com
wrote:
I don't mean to be bitchy, I enjoy British vehicles, I've owned a Triumph Spit6, a GT6 and Spitfire crossmating, I spend most Thursday with my Thursday Night Hovel Monkeys group working on motorcycles, including Nortons, Beezers, Triumphs, BMWs, LaVerdas, MotoGuzzis, and a broad variety of others. And I know that this is a common bond among members of this board. But it is about boats, not motor vehicles. I thought that the AvGas comments were relevant to the outboards that we all use, but the digression belongs elsewhere. Perhaps the britmoheads could have an off board e mail conversation, but have I said that I enjoy this mailing list for boat conversation? The motorstuff has a place, but it's not here.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rick Davies Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 3:01 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Who remembers Nortons? BSAs?
On Wednesday, April 16, 2014, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Who remembers driving down a dark highway on a Norton and having the lights go out? t
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:00 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com<javascript:;>> wrote:
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>wrote:
> Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) > ----- > John Tyner > M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee" > > On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote: > >> I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when >> there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead >> aviation fuel in the car to >> get >> home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I >> got home >> the >> gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the >> gas to leak >> out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not >> always harmless. >> >> David Grah >> Bishop California >> Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >
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I agree. Interesting and enlightening. I value it all and the relationship between well loved and cared for old and demanding British cars to small sailboats and their care is somehow palpable. Martha Ekwurtzel M 15 knot head Illinois / Wisconsin Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 16, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't post here a whole lot, but I do read most every post, on topic or not, I find most of them of interest.
That said, there are many boards/lists that I don't frequent any more thanks to the topic police.
The digression was just fine where it was.
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
So, we'll not be talking about tow vehicles any time soon?
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Thomas Howe <Thomas@thomashoweonline.com
wrote:
I don't mean to be bitchy, I enjoy British vehicles, I've owned a Triumph Spit6, a GT6 and Spitfire crossmating, I spend most Thursday with my Thursday Night Hovel Monkeys group working on motorcycles, including Nortons, Beezers, Triumphs, BMWs, LaVerdas, MotoGuzzis, and a broad variety of others. And I know that this is a common bond among members of this board. But it is about boats, not motor vehicles. I thought that the AvGas comments were relevant to the outboards that we all use, but the digression belongs elsewhere. Perhaps the britmoheads could have an off board e mail conversation, but have I said that I enjoy this mailing list for boat conversation? The motorstuff has a place, but it's not here.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rick Davies Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 3:01 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Who remembers Nortons? BSAs?
On Wednesday, April 16, 2014, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Who remembers driving down a dark highway on a Norton and having the lights go out? t
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:00 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com<javascript:;>> wrote:
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
> Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time.... > > > Hahahahahahahahaha t > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner > <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>wrote: > >> Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) >> ----- >> John Tyner >> M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee" >> >>> On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote: >>> >>> I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when >>> there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead >>> aviation fuel in the car to >>> get >>> home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I >>> got home >>> the >>> gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the >>> gas to leak >>> out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not >>> always harmless. >>> >>> David Grah >>> Bishop California >>> Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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Tom, I am in the process of selling my M-15 and of course the outboard engine goes with the boat when sold. I really would like to hear your comments on Ethanol in the gasoline that I have been using in my 2006 Nissan 3.5 hp 4 stroke outboard. Will my outboard be ruined? Where in California can I get pure gasoline? I have been going to the suppliers on the Sacramento River area for the fuel for my C-Dory 22 with two Hondas on the transom. I hope the suppliers were giving me accurate information when they told me that the fuel was "ethanol free"... ---Larry in Sacramento,Ca -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Howe Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 3:56 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel I don't mean to be bitchy, I enjoy British vehicles, I've owned a Triumph Spit6, a GT6 and Spitfire crossmating, I spend most Thursday with my Thursday Night Hovel Monkeys group working on motorcycles, including Nortons, Beezers, Triumphs, BMWs, LaVerdas, MotoGuzzis, and a broad variety of others. And I know that this is a common bond among members of this board. But it is about boats, not motor vehicles. I thought that the AvGas comments were relevant to the outboards that we all use, but the digression belongs elsewhere. Perhaps the britmoheads could have an off board e mail conversation, but have I said that I enjoy this mailing list for boat conversation? The motorstuff has a place, but it's not here. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rick Davies Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 3:01 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel Who remembers Nortons? BSAs? On Wednesday, April 16, 2014, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Who remembers driving down a dark highway on a Norton and having the lights go out? t
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:00 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com<javascript:;>> wrote:
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky
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Larry, I used ethanol fuel in my 4 HP 2 stroke Mariner on my M boat until I had a $$$ repair bill at a motor sho because the ethanol had destroyed the carburator and other fuel line apparatus. I have found non ethanol gas at farm supply stores and gas stations on reservations, simply kept my eyes open during the winter and made a note of the locations. Now I drive about 16 miles each way to get non-ethanol gas, but I figure it is worth it, and I try to include that stop along the way to other trips going that direction. Aviation gas as great in airplanes and hot rods, but I would not reccommend it for ordinary use, A friend used it in an old Chevrolet hot rod, but the car was not street legal, only ran at the drag strip. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: <Thomas@ThomasHoweOnline.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 8:43 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Tom, I am in the process of selling my M-15 and of course the outboard engine goes with the boat when sold. I really would like to hear your comments on Ethanol in the gasoline that I have been using in my 2006 Nissan 3.5 hp 4 stroke outboard. Will my outboard be ruined? Where in California can I get pure gasoline?
I have been going to the suppliers on the Sacramento River area for the fuel for my C-Dory 22 with two Hondas on the transom. I hope the suppliers were giving me accurate information when they told me that the fuel was "ethanol free"... ---Larry in Sacramento,Ca
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Howe Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 3:56 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
I don't mean to be bitchy, I enjoy British vehicles, I've owned a Triumph Spit6, a GT6 and Spitfire crossmating, I spend most Thursday with my Thursday Night Hovel Monkeys group working on motorcycles, including Nortons, Beezers, Triumphs, BMWs, LaVerdas, MotoGuzzis, and a broad variety of others. And I know that this is a common bond among members of this board. But it is about boats, not motor vehicles. I thought that the AvGas comments were relevant to the outboards that we all use, but the digression belongs elsewhere. Perhaps the britmoheads could have an off board e mail conversation, but have I said that I enjoy this mailing list for boat conversation? The motorstuff has a place, but it's not here.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rick Davies Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 3:01 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Who remembers Nortons? BSAs?
On Wednesday, April 16, 2014, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Who remembers driving down a dark highway on a Norton and having the lights go out? t
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:00 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com<javascript:;>> wrote:
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
> I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when > there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead > aviation fuel in the car to > get > home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I > got home > the > gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the > gas to leak > out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not > always harmless. > > David Grah > Bishop California > Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky > > Sent from my iPhone > >
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I've been using ethanol blend pump gas in older outboards for a long time, with no problems. I used a 1966 Evinrude Fisherman 6hp on 10% ethanol for years. As far as I can tell, the only issue is that old fuel lines and seals tend to dissolve. On that old Evinrude, before I began using ethanol I replaced all of the seals, fuel lines, and fuel pump with new ones made from modern ethanol compatible materials. A 2006 Nissan is likely to already have been built with compatible materials, but you could contact the manufacturer to make sure. Even if your engine is compatible, you'll have slightly more power, better fuel economy, and less water in fuel issues with non-ethanol gas, if you can find it. Still, I think it's worthwhile to setup an engine to handle ethanol gas so you don't need to stress about using it by accident or in an emergency. Tyler '81 M15 #157 "Defiant" On Jul 15, 2014, at 8:43 AM, Hughston, Larry@DGS wrote:
Tom, I am in the process of selling my M-15 and of course the outboard engine goes with the boat when sold. I really would like to hear your comments on Ethanol in the gasoline that I have been using in my 2006 Nissan 3.5 hp 4 stroke outboard. Will my outboard be ruined? Where in California can I get pure gasoline?
I have been going to the suppliers on the Sacramento River area for the fuel for my C-Dory 22 with two Hondas on the transom. I hope the suppliers were giving me accurate information when they told me that the fuel was "ethanol free"... ---Larry in Sacramento,Ca
Tyler, sorry I got your name wrong on my previous email. Thanks for the ethanol information. I almost hate to sell the 2006 Nissan with the M-15 sailboat. ----Larry Hughston -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Backman Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 11:53 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Ethanol (was Aviation Fuel) I've been using ethanol blend pump gas in older outboards for a long time, with no problems. I used a 1966 Evinrude Fisherman 6hp on 10% ethanol for years. As far as I can tell, the only issue is that old fuel lines and seals tend to dissolve. On that old Evinrude, before I began using ethanol I replaced all of the seals, fuel lines, and fuel pump with new ones made from modern ethanol compatible materials. A 2006 Nissan is likely to already have been built with compatible materials, but you could contact the manufacturer to make sure. Even if your engine is compatible, you'll have slightly more power, better fuel economy, and less water in fuel issues with non-ethanol gas, if you can find it. Still, I think it's worthwhile to setup an engine to handle ethanol gas so you don't need to stress about using it by accident or in an emergency. Tyler '81 M15 #157 "Defiant" On Jul 15, 2014, at 8:43 AM, Hughston, Larry@DGS wrote:
Tom, I am in the process of selling my M-15 and of course the outboard engine goes with the boat when sold. I really would like to hear your comments on Ethanol in the gasoline that I have been using in my 2006 Nissan 3.5 hp 4 stroke outboard. Will my outboard be ruined? Where in California can I get pure gasoline?
I have been going to the suppliers on the Sacramento River area for the fuel for my C-Dory 22 with two Hondas on the transom. I hope the suppliers were giving me accurate information when they told me that the fuel was "ethanol free"... ---Larry in Sacramento,Ca
I remember that- MG Midget, probably a '64. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:00 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;>>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky
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Are we all just showing our age? Who remembers the song "Dearie", as in: "Dearie, do you remember when Henry Ford couldn't even fix the running board (running board? what's that?) under a Chandler Six?). This thread is a twenty-first century update :-) Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Wednesday, April 16, 2014, jerry montgomery <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
I remember that- MG Midget, probably a '64.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:00 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Who remembers synchronizing SU carburettors?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com> wrote:
Only 2 things wrong with old British cars: Lucas and Girling
-----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp@q.com <javascript:;> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Hey guys, those of us who have owned British Cars know that the reason the Brits drink warm beer is because of lucas refrigerators. But we wised up and bought Montgomery sailboats, built in the USA. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Aviation Fuel
Yes, and the lights should have failed at the same time....
Hahahahahahahahaha t
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net <javascript:;>>wrote:
Isn't that normal for a British car of that vintage, David? :-) ----- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 4/15/2014 8:14 PM, David Grah wrote:
I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky
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