Bottom paint and water line determination
THINKING, of painting a virgin Monty 15 bottom, where would I start to figure out a proper water line. If one was to poll the gallery could one find out how many keep your Monty's wet for the season? Thanks Smiley M 15, # 616. Very soon to arrive to its new home. Smiley magoo252@comcast.net
I painted the bottom of my M17. I just looked at the photo gallery of M17's in the water to see where the water line was at midship. That's the nice thing about wrinkle boats. You can measure it pretty easily. Now, having said that, I'm in the process of raising the water line an inch. I think that's just because I carry too much crap. And beer!! But I'd rather raise the water line than cut back!! IMHO, I would definitely start with an epoxy barrier paint. But I'll yield to the pros that contribute to this group. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen and Smiley To: Montgomery Sailboat Forum Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 7:27 AM Subject: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination THINKING, of painting a virgin Monty 15 bottom, where would I start to figure out a proper water line. If one was to poll the gallery could one find out how many keep your Monty's wet for the season? Thanks Smiley M 15, # 616. Very soon to arrive to its new home. Smiley magoo252@comcast.net _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
Hey Joe.....I posted a message on this subject on Trailersailor. I agree, start with a good barrier cote. http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/1854 Take care Bob www.montgomeryboats.com
From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 09:44:17 -0400 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
I painted the bottom of my M17. I just looked at the photo gallery of M17's in the water to see where the water line was at midship. That's the nice thing about wrinkle boats. You can measure it pretty easily. Now, having said that, I'm in the process of raising the water line an inch. I think that's just because I carry too much crap. And beer!! But I'd rather raise the water line than cut back!! IMHO, I would definitely start with an epoxy barrier paint. But I'll yield to the pros that contribute to this group. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen and Smiley To: Montgomery Sailboat Forum Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 7:27 AM Subject: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
THINKING, of painting a virgin Monty 15 bottom, where would I start to figure out a proper water line. If one was to poll the gallery could one find out how many keep your Monty's wet for the season? Thanks Smiley M 15, # 616. Very soon to arrive to its new home.
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Just a heads up for anyone wanting to prime and paint a new boat bottom. Because some of the new highly water resistant gelcoat manufacturers void their warranties if the gelcoat is sanded before coating we offer what we call the ultimate no sand system. It's is simply a cleaning (scrubbing) with a special wax remover, water rinse,and check for water-beading,and go right to Interprotec. It's much easier then all that sanding.. Stan --- On Fri, 4/8/11, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 8:26 AM Hey Joe.....I posted a message on this subject on Trailersailor. I agree, start with a good barrier cote. http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/1854 Take care Bob www.montgomeryboats.com
From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 09:44:17 -0400 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
I painted the bottom of my M17. I just looked at the photo gallery of M17's in the water to see where the water line was at midship. That's the nice thing about wrinkle boats. You can measure it pretty easily. Now, having said that, I'm in the process of raising the water line an inch. I think that's just because I carry too much crap. And beer!! But I'd rather raise the water line than cut back!! IMHO, I would definitely start with an epoxy barrier paint. But I'll yield to the pros that contribute to this group. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen and Smiley To: Montgomery Sailboat Forum Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 7:27 AM Subject: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
THINKING, of painting a virgin Monty 15 bottom, where would I start to figure out a proper water line. If one was to poll the gallery could one find out how many keep your Monty's wet for the season? Thanks Smiley M 15, # 616. Very soon to arrive to its new home.
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As you can see from the pictures that Bob shows, I put my waterline just below the 5th lap at midship. To create the rest of the waterline I first leveled the boat. The tongue jack adjusts fore and aft. A floor jack on the axle adjusts the side to side leveling. Then I made a water hose level made from a 25' piece of clear 1/2' tubing. I filled the tubing with water. I had a friend help me by holding up the tubing right at the 5th lap. As I raised/lowered my end of the hose it would in turn raise/lower the water level at my friends end. Once we got the water level at his end to match the 5th lap, all I had to do was to walk around the boat and mark where my water level was at my end of the hose. Then tape above the mark. It's a little bit of a process especially with those wrinkles that we love so much..... until it's time to paint the bottom Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Eeg To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination Hey Joe.....I posted a message on this subject on Trailersailor. I agree, start with a good barrier cote. http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/1854 Take care Bob www.montgomeryboats.com
From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 09:44:17 -0400 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
I painted the bottom of my M17. I just looked at the photo gallery of M17's in the water to see where the water line was at midship. That's the nice thing about wrinkle boats. You can measure it pretty easily. Now, having said that, I'm in the process of raising the water line an inch. I think that's just because I carry too much crap. And beer!! But I'd rather raise the water line than cut back!! IMHO, I would definitely start with an epoxy barrier paint. But I'll yield to the pros that contribute to this group. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen and Smiley To: Montgomery Sailboat Forum Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 7:27 AM Subject: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
THINKING, of painting a virgin Monty 15 bottom, where would I start to figure out a proper water line. If one was to poll the gallery could one find out how many keep your Monty's wet for the season? Thanks Smiley M 15, # 616. Very soon to arrive to its new home.
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Joe, What did you for reference for the fore and aft levelling? Is it okay to use the cockpit seats, with a level on them? Thanks Bill Wickett M17 Makin' Time On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
As you can see from the pictures that Bob shows, I put my waterline just below the 5th lap at midship. To create the rest of the waterline I first leveled the boat. The tongue jack adjusts fore and aft. A floor jack on the axle adjusts the side to side leveling. Then I made a water hose level made from a 25' piece of clear 1/2' tubing. I filled the tubing with water. I had a friend help me by holding up the tubing right at the 5th lap. As I raised/lowered my end of the hose it would in turn raise/lower the water level at my friends end. Once we got the water level at his end to match the 5th lap, all I had to do was to walk around the boat and mark where my water level was at my end of the hose. Then tape above the mark. It's a little bit of a process especially with those wrinkles that we love so much..... until it's time to paint the bottom Joe Seafrog M17
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Hey Joe.....I posted a message on this subject on Trailersailor.
I agree, start with a good barrier cote.
http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/1854
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From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 09:44:17 -0400 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
I painted the bottom of my M17. I just looked at the photo gallery of M17's in the water to see where the water line was at midship. That's the nice thing about wrinkle boats. You can measure it pretty easily. Now, having said that, I'm in the process of raising the water line an inch. I think that's just because I carry too much crap. And beer!! But I'd rather raise the water line than cut back!! IMHO, I would definitely start with an epoxy barrier paint. But I'll yield to the pros that contribute to this group. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen and Smiley To: Montgomery Sailboat Forum Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 7:27 AM Subject: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
THINKING, of painting a virgin Monty 15 bottom, where would I start to figure out a proper water line. If one was to poll the gallery could one find out how many keep your Monty's wet for the season? Thanks Smiley M 15, # 616. Very soon to arrive to its new home.
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Good question. The best indication I ever found for a pure horizontal / vertical surface was the bunks and the bulkhead that supports them. If you have an older galley model, those might be too. Not much else is. Cockpit sole and probably the seats slope after ever so slightly. If anyone does go to the trouble of leveling a boat, that is also a good time to check mast rake. A plumb bob on the main halyard from the masthead to the gooseneck is the place to measure. About 8 to 12 inches rake seems to be the sweet spot. For those of us with less tuning experience than Jerry, this is a more objective measure of mast rake vs. doing it "by feel". A good starting place anyway. A plumb bob hung from the main halyard on a level boat also helps with getting the mast set straight up and down, side to side. And best to do this while on a trailer. Plumb bobbing a boat on the water is a lesson in futility. On Apr 9, 2011, at 8:13 PM, Bill Wickett wrote:
Joe,
What did you for reference for the fore and aft levelling? Is it okay to use the cockpit seats, with a level on them?
Thanks
Bill Wickett M17 Makin' Time
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
As you can see from the pictures that Bob shows, I put my waterline just below the 5th lap at midship. To create the rest of the waterline I first leveled the boat. The tongue jack adjusts fore and aft. A floor jack on the axle adjusts the side to side leveling. Then I made a water hose level made from a 25' piece of clear 1/2' tubing. I filled the tubing with water. I had a friend help me by holding up the tubing right at the 5th lap. As I raised/lowered my end of the hose it would in turn raise/lower the water level at my friends end. Once we got the water level at his end to match the 5th lap, all I had to do was to walk around the boat and mark where my water level was at my end of the hose. Then tape above the mark. It's a little bit of a process especially with those wrinkles that we love so much..... until it's time to paint the bottom Joe Seafrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Eeg To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
Hey Joe.....I posted a message on this subject on Trailersailor.
I agree, start with a good barrier cote.
http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/1854
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From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 09:44:17 -0400 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
I painted the bottom of my M17. I just looked at the photo gallery of M17's in the water to see where the water line was at midship. That's the nice thing about wrinkle boats. You can measure it pretty easily. Now, having said that, I'm in the process of raising the water line an inch. I think that's just because I carry too much crap. And beer!! But I'd rather raise the water line than cut back!! IMHO, I would definitely start with an epoxy barrier paint. But I'll yield to the pros that contribute to this group. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen and Smiley To: Montgomery Sailboat Forum Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 7:27 AM Subject: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
THINKING, of painting a virgin Monty 15 bottom, where would I start to figure out a proper water line. If one was to poll the gallery could one find out how many keep your Monty's wet for the season? Thanks Smiley M 15, # 616. Very soon to arrive to its new home.
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Hi folks, I pulled up the carpet that had been put in the sole of my M-23 yesterday as it had been soaked with motor oil from the four stroke on its side during the trip from CA. Upon doing so I discovered a section of the sole next to the mast support/main bulkhead that is pushed up and shows cracks, maybe about 1/4". I am guessing that this is due to impact from the center board. You can see the section (if you look carefully) at https://picasaweb.google.com/110938325409185510143/M23# . Earl Landers has some great picture of this section in front of the center board trunk which makes me think that this area being pushed up means there may be damage to the front top of the center board slot liner. It seems like the board may have been shoved forward and up due to some impact at the back of the center board; like maybe sliding off the trailer with the board somewhat down. The center board pivot pin was rather bent. I am thinking that I should open up the sole with my roto zip and inspect this area. If I had had a flash light I would have inspected from the bottom since I still do not have the center board back in yet. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated in figuring out what this means and how to proceed. Thanks Robbin M-23 #023 and M10 #230
My boat was on the trailer. I put a 4' level on the bunk that support the keel. From the drawings of the M17 I assumed that the bottom of the keel is the best level spot. I'm not sure if the cockpit seats are level. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wickett To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:13 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination Joe, What did you for reference for the fore and aft levelling? Is it okay to use the cockpit seats, with a level on them? Thanks Bill Wickett M17 Makin' Time On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
As you can see from the pictures that Bob shows, I put my waterline just below the 5th lap at midship. To create the rest of the waterline I first leveled the boat. The tongue jack adjusts fore and aft. A floor jack on the axle adjusts the side to side leveling. Then I made a water hose level made from a 25' piece of clear 1/2' tubing. I filled the tubing with water. I had a friend help me by holding up the tubing right at the 5th lap. As I raised/lowered my end of the hose it would in turn raise/lower the water level at my friends end. Once we got the water level at his end to match the 5th lap, all I had to do was to walk around the boat and mark where my water level was at my end of the hose. Then tape above the mark. It's a little bit of a process especially with those wrinkles that we love so much..... until it's time to paint the bottom Joe Seafrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Eeg To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
Hey Joe.....I posted a message on this subject on Trailersailor.
I agree, start with a good barrier cote.
http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/1854
Take care Bob www.montgomeryboats.com
From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 09:44:17 -0400 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
I painted the bottom of my M17. I just looked at the photo gallery of M17's in the water to see where the water line was at midship. That's the nice thing about wrinkle boats. You can measure it pretty easily. Now, having said that, I'm in the process of raising the water line an inch. I think that's just because I carry too much crap. And beer!! But I'd rather raise the water line than cut back!! IMHO, I would definitely start with an epoxy barrier paint. But I'll yield to the pros that contribute to this group. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen and Smiley To: Montgomery Sailboat Forum Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 7:27 AM Subject: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
THINKING, of painting a virgin Monty 15 bottom, where would I start to figure out a proper water line. If one was to poll the gallery could one find out how many keep your Monty's wet for the season? Thanks Smiley M 15, # 616. Very soon to arrive to its new home.
Smiley
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The cockpit seats are pretty level on all the boats that I've done. Definately the forward berth shouldn't be used on the 15 (or the Sage) because I angled it up slightly to compensate for the weight of the snoozers. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 10:17 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
My boat was on the trailer. I put a 4' level on the bunk that support the keel. From the drawings of the M17 I assumed that the bottom of the keel is the best level spot. I'm not sure if the cockpit seats are level. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wickett To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:13 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
Joe,
What did you for reference for the fore and aft levelling? Is it okay to use the cockpit seats, with a level on them?
Thanks
Bill Wickett M17 Makin' Time
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
As you can see from the pictures that Bob shows, I put my waterline just below the 5th lap at midship. To create the rest of the waterline I first leveled the boat. The tongue jack adjusts fore and aft. A floor jack on the axle adjusts the side to side leveling. Then I made a water hose level made from a 25' piece of clear 1/2' tubing. I filled the tubing with water. I had a friend help me by holding up the tubing right at the 5th lap. As I raised/lowered my end of the hose it would in turn raise/lower the water level at my friends end. Once we got the water level at his end to match the 5th lap, all I had to do was to walk around the boat and mark where my water level was at my end of the hose. Then tape above the mark. It's a little bit of a process especially with those wrinkles that we love so much..... until it's time to paint the bottom Joe Seafrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Eeg To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
Hey Joe.....I posted a message on this subject on Trailersailor.
I agree, start with a good barrier cote.
http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/1854
Take care Bob www.montgomeryboats.com
From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 09:44:17 -0400 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
I painted the bottom of my M17. I just looked at the photo gallery of M17's in the water to see where the water line was at midship. That's the nice thing about wrinkle boats. You can measure it pretty easily. Now, having said that, I'm in the process of raising the water line an inch. I think that's just because I carry too much crap. And beer!! But I'd rather raise the water line than cut back!! IMHO, I would definitely start with an epoxy barrier paint. But I'll yield to the pros that contribute to this group. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen and Smiley To: Montgomery Sailboat Forum Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 7:27 AM Subject: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
THINKING, of painting a virgin Monty 15 bottom, where would I start to figure out a proper water line. If one was to poll the gallery could one find out how many keep your Monty's wet for the season? Thanks Smiley M 15, # 616. Very soon to arrive to its new home.
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In my previous post I said I used the support that the keel rests on to use as the most level spot. I just wanted to add that after I launched SeaFrog, I was thrilled to see that the water line was perfectly uniform all the way around. So I guess the keel was the best place. I also said earlier that I started at mid ship just below the 5th lap. But this year I raised it one more inch. It was fine the way it was but that was only if I balanced everything just so. For some reason I was fairly diligent about doing this underway, but in the slip I found that it was so easy to stow more stuff in that cavernous port lazarette. (Hey Bob, maybe you should put the shallow laz on the port side where the engine and battery are traditionally located and put the 'vault' on the starboard side...) Anyway, as a result I have just enough list to bring the water line just below the water. Amazing how fast those pesky little barnacles mount up. Plus I got tired of hearing my sailing partners in their boats commenting on the fact that they couldn't see my waterline while I was sailing. But somehow they didn't mind drinking my beer!!!! Joe SeaFrog M17 651 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wickett To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:13 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination Joe, What did you for reference for the fore and aft levelling? Is it okay to use the cockpit seats, with a level on them? Thanks Bill Wickett M17 Makin' Time On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
As you can see from the pictures that Bob shows, I put my waterline just below the 5th lap at midship. To create the rest of the waterline I first leveled the boat. The tongue jack adjusts fore and aft. A floor jack on the axle adjusts the side to side leveling. Then I made a water hose level made from a 25' piece of clear 1/2' tubing. I filled the tubing with water. I had a friend help me by holding up the tubing right at the 5th lap. As I raised/lowered my end of the hose it would in turn raise/lower the water level at my friends end. Once we got the water level at his end to match the 5th lap, all I had to do was to walk around the boat and mark where my water level was at my end of the hose. Then tape above the mark. It's a little bit of a process especially with those wrinkles that we love so much..... until it's time to paint the bottom Joe Seafrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Eeg To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
Hey Joe.....I posted a message on this subject on Trailersailor.
I agree, start with a good barrier cote.
http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/1854
Take care Bob www.montgomeryboats.com
From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 09:44:17 -0400 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
I painted the bottom of my M17. I just looked at the photo gallery of M17's in the water to see where the water line was at midship. That's the nice thing about wrinkle boats. You can measure it pretty easily. Now, having said that, I'm in the process of raising the water line an inch. I think that's just because I carry too much crap. And beer!! But I'd rather raise the water line than cut back!! IMHO, I would definitely start with an epoxy barrier paint. But I'll yield to the pros that contribute to this group. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen and Smiley To: Montgomery Sailboat Forum Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 7:27 AM Subject: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
THINKING, of painting a virgin Monty 15 bottom, where would I start to figure out a proper water line. If one was to poll the gallery could one find out how many keep your Monty's wet for the season? Thanks Smiley M 15, # 616. Very soon to arrive to its new home.
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to level the boat i remember a discussion, but could not find it in the MSOG archives, that the cockpit seats in the 'new' mold cockpit are level (the cockpit floor _is_not_level). jerry is all about cockpit sleeping so it seems logical to me that he would have made the seats level when laying up the mold. i'm currently mounting a transom ladder on my M17 and confirmed the boat was level, port to starboard, before drilling the bolt holes. i confirmed level from the existing boot stripe and checking the cockpit seats. it was asked about how the waterline is determined 'at the shop'. i dug this up from the listproc archives -
From: (Bob) Subject: M_Boats: Factory Boot Stripes -- Marking The Waterline Date: Tue Feb 25 01:28:44 2003
Tod The waterline is already marked into the mold and is a different color. For instance the mold is black and the waterline is green. That way we can apply tape onto the green part to cover the waterline and after I spray the ivory hull color we remove the tape and simply spray the contrasting waterline color. ...
Bob Eeg
----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wickett Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:13 PM
Joe,
What did you for reference for the fore and aft levelling? Is it okay to use the cockpit seats, with a level on them?
Thanks
Bill Wickett M17 Makin' Time
Actually, all the boats I have done have about an inch of "drag" in the keel (the forward end of the bottom of the keel is about an inch higher than the aft end) except the new Sage, which has 2" of drag. This gives the bottom of the keel a slight angle of attack and reduces the wing tip loss. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 10:51 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
In my previous post I said I used the support that the keel rests on to use as the most level spot. I just wanted to add that after I launched SeaFrog, I was thrilled to see that the water line was perfectly uniform all the way around. So I guess the keel was the best place. I also said earlier that I started at mid ship just below the 5th lap. But this year I raised it one more inch. It was fine the way it was but that was only if I balanced everything just so. For some reason I was fairly diligent about doing this underway, but in the slip I found that it was so easy to stow more stuff in that cavernous port lazarette. (Hey Bob, maybe you should put the shallow laz on the port side where the engine and battery are traditionally located and put the 'vault' on the starboard side...) Anyway, as a result I have just enough list to bring the water line just below the water. Amazing how fast those pesky little barnacles mount up. Plus I got tired of hearing my sailing partners in their boats commenting on the fact that they couldn't see my waterline while I was sailing. But somehow they didn't mind drinking my beer!!!! Joe SeaFrog M17 651 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wickett To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:13 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
Joe,
What did you for reference for the fore and aft levelling? Is it okay to use the cockpit seats, with a level on them?
Thanks
Bill Wickett M17 Makin' Time
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
As you can see from the pictures that Bob shows, I put my waterline just below the 5th lap at midship. To create the rest of the waterline I first leveled the boat. The tongue jack adjusts fore and aft. A floor jack on the axle adjusts the side to side leveling. Then I made a water hose level made from a 25' piece of clear 1/2' tubing. I filled the tubing with water. I had a friend help me by holding up the tubing right at the 5th lap. As I raised/lowered my end of the hose it would in turn raise/lower the water level at my friends end. Once we got the water level at his end to match the 5th lap, all I had to do was to walk around the boat and mark where my water level was at my end of the hose. Then tape above the mark. It's a little bit of a process especially with those wrinkles that we love so much..... until it's time to paint the bottom Joe Seafrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Eeg To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
Hey Joe.....I posted a message on this subject on Trailersailor.
I agree, start with a good barrier cote.
http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/1854
Take care Bob www.montgomeryboats.com
From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 09:44:17 -0400 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
I painted the bottom of my M17. I just looked at the photo gallery of M17's in the water to see where the water line was at midship. That's the nice thing about wrinkle boats. You can measure it pretty easily. Now, having said that, I'm in the process of raising the water line an inch. I think that's just because I carry too much crap. And beer!! But I'd rather raise the water line than cut back!! IMHO, I would definitely start with an epoxy barrier paint. But I'll yield to the pros that contribute to this group. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen and Smiley To: Montgomery Sailboat Forum Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 7:27 AM Subject: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
THINKING, of painting a virgin Monty 15 bottom, where would I start to figure out a proper water line. If one was to poll the gallery could one find out how many keep your Monty's wet for the season? Thanks Smiley M 15, # 616. Very soon to arrive to its new home.
Smiley
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All good info everyone. Thanks very much. Bill Makin' Time M17 On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:02 PM, jerry montgomery <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org
wrote:
Actually, all the boats I have done have about an inch of "drag" in the keel (the forward end of the bottom of the keel is about an inch higher than the aft end) except the new Sage, which has 2" of drag. This gives the bottom of the keel a slight angle of attack and reduces the wing tip loss.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
In my previous post I said I used the support that the keel rests on to
use as the most level spot. I just wanted to add that after I launched SeaFrog, I was thrilled to see that the water line was perfectly uniform all the way around. So I guess the keel was the best place. I also said earlier that I started at mid ship just below the 5th lap. But this year I raised it one more inch. It was fine the way it was but that was only if I balanced everything just so. For some reason I was fairly diligent about doing this underway, but in the slip I found that it was so easy to stow more stuff in that cavernous port lazarette. (Hey Bob, maybe you should put the shallow laz on the port side where the engine and battery are traditionally located and put the 'vault' on the starboard side...) Anyway, as a result I have just enough list to bring the water line just below the water. Amazing how fast those pesky little barnacles mount up. Plus I got tired of hearing my sailing partners in their boats commenting on the fact that they couldn't see my waterline while I was sailing. But somehow they didn't mind drinking my beer!!!! Joe SeaFrog M17 651 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wickett To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:13 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
Joe,
What did you for reference for the fore and aft levelling? Is it okay to use the cockpit seats, with a level on them?
Thanks
Bill Wickett M17 Makin' Time
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
As you can see from the pictures that Bob shows, I put my waterline just below the 5th lap at midship. To create the rest of the waterline I first leveled the boat. The tongue jack adjusts fore and aft. A floor jack on the axle adjusts the side to side leveling. Then I made a water hose level made from a 25' piece of clear 1/2' tubing. I filled the tubing with water. I had a friend help me by holding up the tubing right at the 5th lap. As I raised/lowered my end of the hose it would in turn raise/lower the water level at my friends end. Once we got the water level at his end to match the 5th lap, all I had to do was to walk around the boat and mark where my water level was at my end of the hose. Then tape above the mark. It's a little bit of a process especially with those wrinkles that we love so much..... until it's time to paint the bottom Joe Seafrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Eeg To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
Hey Joe.....I posted a message on this subject on Trailersailor.
I agree, start with a good barrier cote.
http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/1854
Take care Bob www.montgomeryboats.com
From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 09:44:17 -0400 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
I painted the bottom of my M17. I just looked at the photo gallery of M17's in the water to see where the water line was at midship. That's the nice thing about wrinkle boats. You can measure it pretty easily. Now, having said that, I'm in the process of raising the water line an inch. I think that's just because I carry too much crap. And beer!! But I'd rather raise the water line than cut back!! IMHO, I would definitely start with an epoxy barrier paint. But I'll yield to the pros that contribute to this group. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen and Smiley To: Montgomery Sailboat Forum Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 7:27 AM Subject: M_Boats: Bottom paint and water line determination
THINKING, of painting a virgin Monty 15 bottom, where would I start to figure out a proper water line. If one was to poll the gallery could one find out how many keep your Monty's wet for the season? Thanks Smiley M 15, # 616. Very soon to arrive to its new home.
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