Would one be better off using a shaft length of 22 inches as found on the Tohatsu 3.5 hp outboard as opposed to the 20 inch high shaft lengths of most long shaft outboards. Additionally from what I am used to on my P21 which I had driven using a 8 hp 2 stroke I felt that I never could get most of the power out of that engine to making Hull speed at about ¾ throttle. So I assumed that 2.5-3.5 hp would be just right for the M15 with 2 hp being maybe a bit shy for those BAD days when you need to boogie from a storm. Thanks What is the trick to re-fueling when youre out in bumpy waters BTW Smiley magoo252@comcast.net
I'm not sure if the M15 has the same transom height as the M17 but I have a Tohatsu 6hp longshaft (20") on my M17. It is attached to the swing type motor mount. 20" works fine. In these shallow waters I don't think I'd want anything more. I don't get any cavitation issues unless there's 3' snot blowing. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen and Smiley To: Montgomery Sailboat Forum Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 7:02 AM Subject: M_Boats: M 15 transcom heights Would one be better off using a shaft length of 22 inches as found on the Tohatsu 3.5 hp outboard as opposed to the 20 inch high shaft lengths of most long shaft outboards. Additionally from what I am used to on my P21 which I had driven using a 8 hp 2 stroke I felt that I never could get most of the power out of that engine to making Hull speed at about ¾ throttle. So I assumed that 2.5-3.5 hp would be just right for the M15 with 2 hp being maybe a bit shy for those BAD days when you need to boogie from a storm. Thanks What is the trick to re-fueling when you're out in bumpy waters BTW Smiley magoo252@comcast.net _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
Karen & Smiley: I have some info in my archives about power requirements for displacement hulls that might prove helpful. M-15 13.3 ft. LWL, 4.89 Knots Max, 750 lb + 600 lb. load 3.5 knots needs 0.26 HP, 4.5 knots needs 0.73 HP M-17 15.83 ft. LWL, 5.33 Knots Max, 1600 lb + 600 lb load 3.5 knots needs 0.33 HP, 4.5 knots needs 0.73 HP, 5.0 knots needs 1.76 HP At max. hull speed both need around 2.7 HP as they try to climb their bow wave. The point is that we really don't need all the power we usually put on our boats. Of course, wind drag adds to the power requirement, props are not perfect, and neither are engines. In my experience, motoring out a narrow channel into strong prevailing wind, the biggest factor is lifting the outboard prop out of the water in 3+ ft. chop. I once owned a San Juan 23 that got blown 90° off course by 25 knot winds when the prop lifted out. I had to make several 360° turns to have another go at the waves until I could fall off and raise the sails. I use a 4HP Suzuki with 20" shaft on my M-17, but wouldn't hesitate to buy snaller next time. I think the Tohatsu 3.2 with 22" shaft would be a great choice. I wouldn't know, but the longer shaft might make the prop drag when lifted and sailing. Mark House #232 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen and Smiley" <magoo252@comcast.net> To: "Montgomery Sailboat Forum" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 5:02 AM Subject: M_Boats: M 15 transcom heights Would one be better off using a shaft length of 22 inches as found on the Tohatsu 3.5 hp outboard as opposed to the 20 inch high shaft lengths of most long shaft outboards. Additionally from what I am used to on my P21 which I had driven using a 8 hp 2 stroke I felt that I never could get most of the power out of that engine to making Hull speed at about ¾ throttle. So I assumed that 2.5-3.5 hp would be just right for the M15 with 2 hp being maybe a bit shy for those BAD days when you need to boogie from a storm. Thanks What is the trick to re-fueling when you're out in bumpy waters BTW Smiley magoo252@comcast.net _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
Mark, Very cool that you have that info. How did you arrive at the power requirements? (don't just tell me: MATH) :) Bill Makin' Time M17 #622 On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Mark House <itsmark@bresnan.net> wrote:
Karen & Smiley:
I have some info in my archives about power requirements for displacement hulls that might prove helpful.
M-15 13.3 ft. LWL, 4.89 Knots Max, 750 lb + 600 lb. load 3.5 knots needs 0.26 HP, 4.5 knots needs 0.73 HP
M-17 15.83 ft. LWL, 5.33 Knots Max, 1600 lb + 600 lb load 3.5 knots needs 0.33 HP, 4.5 knots needs 0.73 HP, 5.0 knots needs 1.76 HP
At max. hull speed both need around 2.7 HP as they try to climb their bow wave.
The point is that we really don't need all the power we usually put on our boats. Of course, wind drag adds to the power requirement, props are not perfect, and neither are engines. In my experience, motoring out a narrow channel into strong prevailing wind, the biggest factor is lifting the outboard prop out of the water in 3+ ft. chop. I once owned a San Juan 23 that got blown 90° off course by 25 knot winds when the prop lifted out. I had to make several 360° turns to have another go at the waves until I could fall off and raise the sails. I use a 4HP Suzuki with 20" shaft on my M-17, but wouldn't hesitate to buy snaller next time. I think the Tohatsu 3.2 with 22" shaft would be a great choice. I wouldn't know, but the longer shaft might make the prop drag when lifted and sailing.
Mark House #232
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Would one be better off using a shaft length of 22 inches as found on the Tohatsu 3.5 hp outboard as opposed to the 20 inch high shaft lengths of most long shaft outboards. Additionally from what I am used to on my P21 which I had driven using a 8 hp 2 stroke I felt that I never could get most of the power out of that engine to making Hull speed at about ¾ throttle. So I assumed that 2.5-3.5 hp would be just right for the M15 with 2 hp being maybe a bit shy for those BAD days when you need to boogie from a storm. Thanks
What is the trick to re-fueling when you're out in bumpy waters BTW
Smiley
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Bill: I really don't remember the source of the info. I was education officer for the Texas Mariners Cruising Assoc. 20 years ago, and I came across some info that DID involve math. The basis is how much power it takes to move water from one wave (bow wave) to another (stern wave). I'll send you the Excel spreadsheet if you wish. No math is really involved, because my source had all the formulas worked out in dimensionless terms, and you simply need to look up the values closest to your case. It seems to work ok though from pocket cruisers up to 40 ft. cruisers. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Wickett" <billwick@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 9:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 transcom heights Mark, Very cool that you have that info. How did you arrive at the power requirements? (don't just tell me: MATH) :) Bill Makin' Time M17 #622 On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Mark House <itsmark@bresnan.net> wrote:
Karen & Smiley:
I have some info in my archives about power requirements for displacement hulls that might prove helpful.
M-15 13.3 ft. LWL, 4.89 Knots Max, 750 lb + 600 lb. load 3.5 knots needs 0.26 HP, 4.5 knots needs 0.73 HP
M-17 15.83 ft. LWL, 5.33 Knots Max, 1600 lb + 600 lb load 3.5 knots needs 0.33 HP, 4.5 knots needs 0.73 HP, 5.0 knots needs 1.76 HP
At max. hull speed both need around 2.7 HP as they try to climb their bow wave.
The point is that we really don't need all the power we usually put on our boats. Of course, wind drag adds to the power requirement, props are not perfect, and neither are engines. In my experience, motoring out a narrow channel into strong prevailing wind, the biggest factor is lifting the outboard prop out of the water in 3+ ft. chop. I once owned a San Juan 23 that got blown 90° off course by 25 knot winds when the prop lifted out. I had to make several 360° turns to have another go at the waves until I could fall off and raise the sails. I use a 4HP Suzuki with 20" shaft on my M-17, but wouldn't hesitate to buy snaller next time. I think the Tohatsu 3.2 with 22" shaft would be a great choice. I wouldn't know, but the longer shaft might make the prop drag when lifted and sailing.
Mark House #232
----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen and Smiley" < magoo252@comcast.net> To: "Montgomery Sailboat Forum" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 5:02 AM Subject: M_Boats: M 15 transcom heights
Would one be better off using a shaft length of 22 inches as found on the Tohatsu 3.5 hp outboard as opposed to the 20 inch high shaft lengths of most long shaft outboards. Additionally from what I am used to on my P21 which I had driven using a 8 hp 2 stroke I felt that I never could get most of the power out of that engine to making Hull speed at about ¾ throttle. So I assumed that 2.5-3.5 hp would be just right for the M15 with 2 hp being maybe a bit shy for those BAD days when you need to boogie from a storm. Thanks
What is the trick to re-fueling when you're out in bumpy waters BTW
Smiley
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the honda long-shaft 2HP is a great fit for the M15. i found the motor on my M15 worked great in 98% of the situations. i can think of only one time, wind/waves/tide, that i wished for a larger (more HP) and longer shafted motor. i had a fixed transom mount so i couldn't put the motor 'deeper' in the water. only when i moved forward of the cabin bulkhead did i have issue with cavitation. most times i ran the motor at about 2/3 throttle and this gave about 4.3 knts. i could run the motor about 45ish minutes before needing to refill (refill before empty as restarting is MUCH easier). the only limitation of the honda 2HP is a lack of an external fuel tank option. i carried two fuel containers on my 15 (i do the same on my 17 as my outboard on SWEET PEA is also is a internal only outboard). one was/is a one gallon and the other a 3.5 gallon. i keep the one gallon about 2/3 full and use this to fill the outboard. when the 1 gallon gets low i fill it with the 3.5 gallon. the one gallon is much easier to lift and control over the transom than a 3.5 gallon tank. i have become fairly good at filling the tank as a result of practice. challenge - the new EPA rules now mandate these over-designed flow control devices that require you to use three hands: one to hold fuel tank, second to hold spout into outboard's fuel tank, and third to trigger the flow valve. my current fuel tanks are older (about five years) and i only need to remove the stopper/vent for them to work. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Karen and Smiley <magoo252@comcast.net> wrote: Would one be better off using a shaft length of 22 inches as found on the Tohatsu 3.5 hp outboard as opposed to the 20 inch high shaft lengths of most long shaft outboards. Additionally from what I am used to on my P21 which I had driven using a 8 hp 2 stroke I felt that I never could get most of the power out of that engine to making Hull speed at about ¾ throttle. So I assumed that 2.5-3.5 hp would be just right for the M15 with 2 hp being maybe a bit shy for those BAD days when you need to boogie from a storm. Thanks What is the trick to re-fueling when you’re out in bumpy waters BTW Smiley
I know this may not be proper but..... try using a liguid laundry detergent bottle with a short piece of hose attached to the inner spout. Fill the tank and what would normally drip down the hose goes right back into the bottle through the neck of the bottle. Because of the design you don't need a funnel. And they hold a tad over 3/4 gal. Look for a red bottle. Joe. ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Scobie To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:33 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank the honda long-shaft 2HP is a great fit for the M15. i found the motor on my M15 worked great in 98% of the situations. i can think of only one time, wind/waves/tide, that i wished for a larger (more HP) and longer shafted motor. i had a fixed transom mount so i couldn't put the motor 'deeper' in the water. only when i moved forward of the cabin bulkhead did i have issue with cavitation. most times i ran the motor at about 2/3 throttle and this gave about 4.3 knts. i could run the motor about 45ish minutes before needing to refill (refill before empty as restarting is MUCH easier). the only limitation of the honda 2HP is a lack of an external fuel tank option. i carried two fuel containers on my 15 (i do the same on my 17 as my outboard on SWEET PEA is also is a internal only outboard). one was/is a one gallon and the other a 3.5 gallon. i keep the one gallon about 2/3 full and use this to fill the outboard. when the 1 gallon gets low i fill it with the 3.5 gallon. the one gallon is much easier to lift and control over the transom than a 3.5 gallon tank. i have become fairly good at filling the tank as a result of practice. challenge - the new EPA rules now mandate these over-designed flow control devices that require you to use three hands: one to hold fuel tank, second to hold spout into outboard's fuel tank, and third to trigger the flow valve. my current fuel tanks are older (about five years) and i only need to remove the stopper/vent for them to work. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Karen and Smiley <magoo252@comcast.net> wrote: Would one be better off using a shaft length of 22 inches as found on the Tohatsu 3.5 hp outboard as opposed to the 20 inch high shaft lengths of most long shaft outboards. Additionally from what I am used to on my P21 which I had driven using a 8 hp 2 stroke I felt that I never could get most of the power out of that engine to making Hull speed at about ¾ throttle. So I assumed that 2.5-3.5 hp would be just right for the M15 with 2 hp being maybe a bit shy for those BAD days when you need to boogie from a storm. Thanks What is the trick to re-fueling when you’re out in bumpy waters BTW Smiley _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
On my 17 w/Nissan 4, I just used a 1 gal gas can and an outboard gas line with pump bulb. I took the gas filler cap off the motor, put the gas line from the external source into the motor and pumped it full. Easy. John in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Mar 4, 2011 9:56 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank I know this may not be proper but..... try using a liguid laundry detergent ottle with a short piece of hose attached to the inner spout. Fill the tank nd what would normally drip down the hose goes right back into the bottle hrough the neck of the bottle. Because of the design you don't need a funnel. nd they hold a tad over 3/4 gal. Look for a red bottle. oe. ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Scobie To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:33 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank the honda long-shaft 2HP is a great fit for the M15. i found the motor on my 15 worked great in 98% of the situations. i can think of only one time, ind/waves/tide, that i wished for a larger (more HP) and longer shafted motor. i had a fixed transom mount so i couldn't put the motor 'deeper' in the water. nly when i moved forward of the cabin bulkhead did i have issue with avitation. most times i ran the motor at about 2/3 throttle and this gave about 4.3 knts. could run the motor about 45ish minutes before needing to refill (refill efore empty as restarting is MUCH easier). the only limitation of the honda 2HP is a lack of an external fuel tank ption. i carried two fuel containers on my 15 (i do the same on my 17 as my outboard n SWEET PEA is also is a internal only outboard). one was/is a one gallon and he other a 3.5 gallon. i keep the one gallon about 2/3 full and use this to ill the outboard. when the 1 gallon gets low i fill it with the 3.5 gallon. the ne gallon is much easier to lift and control over the transom than a 3.5 gallon ank. i have become fairly good at filling the tank as a result of practice. challenge - the new EPA rules now mandate these over-designed flow control evices that require you to use three hands: one to hold fuel tank, second to old spout into outboard's fuel tank, and third to trigger the flow valve. my urrent fuel tanks are older (about five years) and i only need to remove the topper/vent for them to work. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Karen and Smiley <magoo252@comcast.net> wrote: Would one be better off using a shaft length of 22 inches as found on the Tohatsu 3.5 hp outboard as opposed to the 20 inch high shaft lengths of most long shaft outboards. Additionally from what I am used to on my P21 which I had driven using a 8 hp 2 stroke I felt that I never could get most of the power out of that engine to making Hull speed at about ¾ throttle. So I assumed that 2.5-3.5 hp would be just right for the M15 with 2 hp being maybe a bit shy for those BAD days when you need to boogie from a storm. Thanks What is the trick to re-fueling when you’re out in bumpy waters BTW Smiley _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! ______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
I have the 2hp Honda, long shaft on my M-15. I use two methods for refueling. The easiest, is to buy your car oil in plastic one quart bottles, preferably red, and after you use the oil and rinse the bottles, fill them almost full with gas. When the outboard tank is empty, or almost empty, just remove the cap, and upend the bottle of gas into the tank. It should almost fill the tank without spilling. For your motor, experiment with how full to fill the bottles, so you don't overfill the tank. The other method, if you have the old style one gallon gas cans, (without the rocket scientist, three handed spout), is to buy an auto shutoff fill spout from West Marine, that you just insert into the outboard tank and push down, which starts filling automatically. When the tank is full, the spout shuts off by itself. The West Marine spout is also perfect for filling the one quart oil bottles. I usually fill several if I'm going to be motoring extensively. I've used both of these methods in some pretty wicked weather and waves, and haven't had any problems. Bill Day M-15, 363, "Gee Whiz!" On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:16 AM, <jslubliner@aol.com> wrote:
On my 17 w/Nissan 4, I just used a 1 gal gas can and an outboard gas line with pump bulb. I took the gas filler cap off the motor, put the gas line from the external source into the motor and pumped it full. Easy.
John in Tucson
-----Original Message----- From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Mar 4, 2011 9:56 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank
I know this may not be proper but..... try using a liguid laundry detergent ottle with a short piece of hose attached to the inner spout. Fill the tank nd what would normally drip down the hose goes right back into the bottle hrough the neck of the bottle. Because of the design you don't need a funnel. nd they hold a tad over 3/4 gal. Look for a red bottle. oe. ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Scobie To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:33 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank
the honda long-shaft 2HP is a great fit for the M15. i found the motor on my 15 worked great in 98% of the situations. i can think of only one time, ind/waves/tide, that i wished for a larger (more HP) and longer shafted motor. i had a fixed transom mount so i couldn't put the motor 'deeper' in the water. nly when i moved forward of the cabin bulkhead did i have issue with avitation. most times i ran the motor at about 2/3 throttle and this gave about 4.3 knts. could run the motor about 45ish minutes before needing to refill (refill efore empty as restarting is MUCH easier). the only limitation of the honda 2HP is a lack of an external fuel tank ption. i carried two fuel containers on my 15 (i do the same on my 17 as my outboard n SWEET PEA is also is a internal only outboard). one was/is a one gallon and he other a 3.5 gallon. i keep the one gallon about 2/3 full and use this to ill the outboard. when the 1 gallon gets low i fill it with the 3.5 gallon. the ne gallon is much easier to lift and control over the transom than a 3.5 gallon ank. i have become fairly good at filling the tank as a result of practice. challenge - the new EPA rules now mandate these over-designed flow control evices that require you to use three hands: one to hold fuel tank, second to old spout into outboard's fuel tank, and third to trigger the flow valve. my urrent fuel tanks are older (about five years) and i only need to remove the topper/vent for them to work.
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Karen and Smiley <magoo252@comcast.net> wrote: Would one be better off using a shaft length of 22 inches as found on the Tohatsu 3.5 hp outboard as opposed to the 20 inch high shaft lengths of most long shaft outboards. Additionally from what I am used to on my P21 which I had driven using a 8 hp 2 stroke I felt that I never could get most of the power out of that engine to making Hull speed at about ¾ throttle. So I assumed that 2.5-3.5 hp would be just right for the M15 with 2 hp being maybe a bit shy for those BAD days when you need to boogie from a storm. Thanks
What is the trick to re-fueling when you’re out in bumpy waters BTW
Smiley
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I noticed that My 4 HP Suzuki has a fuel pump that pumps gas from the integral tank to the carb. So I threw away the tank and added a gas line fitting. Got parts supposed to go on the 6HP. It works fine from a remote 3 gallon tank. Maybe some other small motors have a similar arrangement. Biggest problem was how to plug the hole in the cowling where the tank fill used to stick out! Mark House ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Day" <bill@gotrain.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 12:41 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank I have the 2hp Honda, long shaft on my M-15. I use two methods for refueling. The easiest, is to buy your car oil in plastic one quart bottles, preferably red, and after you use the oil and rinse the bottles, fill them almost full with gas. When the outboard tank is empty, or almost empty, just remove the cap, and upend the bottle of gas into the tank. It should almost fill the tank without spilling. For your motor, experiment with how full to fill the bottles, so you don't overfill the tank. The other method, if you have the old style one gallon gas cans, (without the rocket scientist, three handed spout), is to buy an auto shutoff fill spout from West Marine, that you just insert into the outboard tank and push down, which starts filling automatically. When the tank is full, the spout shuts off by itself. The West Marine spout is also perfect for filling the one quart oil bottles. I usually fill several if I'm going to be motoring extensively. I've used both of these methods in some pretty wicked weather and waves, and haven't had any problems. Bill Day M-15, 363, "Gee Whiz!" On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:16 AM, <jslubliner@aol.com> wrote:
On my 17 w/Nissan 4, I just used a 1 gal gas can and an outboard gas line with pump bulb. I took the gas filler cap off the motor, put the gas line from the external source into the motor and pumped it full. Easy.
John in Tucson
-----Original Message----- From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Mar 4, 2011 9:56 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank
I know this may not be proper but..... try using a liguid laundry detergent ottle with a short piece of hose attached to the inner spout. Fill the tank nd what would normally drip down the hose goes right back into the bottle hrough the neck of the bottle. Because of the design you don't need a funnel. nd they hold a tad over 3/4 gal. Look for a red bottle. oe. ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Scobie To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:33 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank
the honda long-shaft 2HP is a great fit for the M15. i found the motor on my 15 worked great in 98% of the situations. i can think of only one time, ind/waves/tide, that i wished for a larger (more HP) and longer shafted motor. i had a fixed transom mount so i couldn't put the motor 'deeper' in the water. nly when i moved forward of the cabin bulkhead did i have issue with avitation. most times i ran the motor at about 2/3 throttle and this gave about 4.3 knts. could run the motor about 45ish minutes before needing to refill (refill efore empty as restarting is MUCH easier). the only limitation of the honda 2HP is a lack of an external fuel tank ption. i carried two fuel containers on my 15 (i do the same on my 17 as my outboard n SWEET PEA is also is a internal only outboard). one was/is a one gallon and he other a 3.5 gallon. i keep the one gallon about 2/3 full and use this to ill the outboard. when the 1 gallon gets low i fill it with the 3.5 gallon. the ne gallon is much easier to lift and control over the transom than a 3.5 gallon ank. i have become fairly good at filling the tank as a result of practice. challenge - the new EPA rules now mandate these over-designed flow control evices that require you to use three hands: one to hold fuel tank, second to old spout into outboard's fuel tank, and third to trigger the flow valve. my urrent fuel tanks are older (about five years) and i only need to remove the topper/vent for them to work.
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Karen and Smiley <magoo252@comcast.net> wrote: Would one be better off using a shaft length of 22 inches as found on the Tohatsu 3.5 hp outboard as opposed to the 20 inch high shaft lengths of most long shaft outboards. Additionally from what I am used to on my P21 which I had driven using a 8 hp 2 stroke I felt that I never could get most of the power out of that engine to making Hull speed at about ¾ throttle. So I assumed that 2.5-3.5 hp would be just right for the M15 with 2 hp being maybe a bit shy for those BAD days when you need to boogie from a storm. Thanks
What is the trick to re-fueling when youÂ’re out in bumpy waters BTW
Smiley
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mark: what parts did you order? i've looked into this to 'retrofit' my suzuki 4HP and i always run into a 'wall' of information that says i need about 12 part ... one of which is the 6HP's fuel pump. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Mark House <itsmark@bresnan.net> wrote: I noticed that My 4 HP Suzuki has a fuel pump that pumps gas from the integral tank to the carb. So I threw away the tank and added a gas line fitting. Got parts supposed to go on the 6HP. It works fine from a remote 3 gallon tank. Maybe some other small motors have a similar arrangement. Biggest problem was how to plug the hole in the cowling where the tank fill used to stick out! Mark House --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Mark House <itsmark@bresnan.net> wrote: From: Mark House <itsmark@bresnan.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 2:41 PM I noticed that My 4 HP Suzuki has a fuel pump that pumps gas from the integral tank to the carb. So I threw away the tank and added a gas line fitting. Got parts supposed to go on the 6HP. It works fine from a remote 3 gallon tank. Maybe some other small motors have a similar arrangement. Biggest problem was how to plug the hole in the cowling where the tank fill used to stick out! Mark House ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Day" <bill@gotrain.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 12:41 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank I have the 2hp Honda, long shaft on my M-15. I use two methods for refueling. The easiest, is to buy your car oil in plastic one quart bottles, preferably red, and after you use the oil and rinse the bottles, fill them almost full with gas. When the outboard tank is empty, or almost empty, just remove the cap, and upend the bottle of gas into the tank. It should almost fill the tank without spilling. For your motor, experiment with how full to fill the bottles, so you don't overfill the tank. The other method, if you have the old style one gallon gas cans, (without the rocket scientist, three handed spout), is to buy an auto shutoff fill spout from West Marine, that you just insert into the outboard tank and push down, which starts filling automatically. When the tank is full, the spout shuts off by itself. The West Marine spout is also perfect for filling the one quart oil bottles. I usually fill several if I'm going to be motoring extensively. I've used both of these methods in some pretty wicked weather and waves, and haven't had any problems. Bill Day M-15, 363, "Gee Whiz!" On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:16 AM, <jslubliner@aol.com> wrote:
On my 17 w/Nissan 4, I just used a 1 gal gas can and an outboard gas line with pump bulb. I took the gas filler cap off the motor, put the gas line from the external source into the motor and pumped it full. Easy.
John in Tucson
-----Original Message----- From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Mar 4, 2011 9:56 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank
I know this may not be proper but..... try using a liguid laundry detergent ottle with a short piece of hose attached to the inner spout. Fill the tank nd what would normally drip down the hose goes right back into the bottle hrough the neck of the bottle. Because of the design you don't need a funnel. nd they hold a tad over 3/4 gal. Look for a red bottle. oe. ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Scobie To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:33 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank
the honda long-shaft 2HP is a great fit for the M15. i found the motor on my 15 worked great in 98% of the situations. i can think of only one time, ind/waves/tide, that i wished for a larger (more HP) and longer shafted motor. i had a fixed transom mount so i couldn't put the motor 'deeper' in the water. nly when i moved forward of the cabin bulkhead did i have issue with avitation. most times i ran the motor at about 2/3 throttle and this gave about 4.3 knts. could run the motor about 45ish minutes before needing to refill (refill efore empty as restarting is MUCH easier). the only limitation of the honda 2HP is a lack of an external fuel tank ption. i carried two fuel containers on my 15 (i do the same on my 17 as my outboard n SWEET PEA is also is a internal only outboard). one was/is a one gallon and he other a 3.5 gallon. i keep the one gallon about 2/3 full and use this to ill the outboard. when the 1 gallon gets low i fill it with the 3.5 gallon. the ne gallon is much easier to lift and control over the transom than a 3.5 gallon ank. i have become fairly good at filling the tank as a result of practice. challenge - the new EPA rules now mandate these over-designed flow control evices that require you to use three hands: one to hold fuel tank, second to old spout into outboard's fuel tank, and third to trigger the flow valve. my urrent fuel tanks are older (about five years) and i only need to remove the topper/vent for them to work.
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Karen and Smiley <magoo252@comcast.net> wrote: Would one be better off using a shaft length of 22 inches as found on the Tohatsu 3.5 hp outboard as opposed to the 20 inch high shaft lengths of most long shaft outboards. Additionally from what I am used to on my P21 which I had driven using a 8 hp 2 stroke I felt that I never could get most of the power out of that engine to making Hull speed at about ¾ throttle. So I assumed that 2.5-3.5 hp would be just right for the M15 with 2 hp being maybe a bit shy for those BAD days when you need to boogie from a storm. Thanks
What is the trick to re-fueling when you’re out in bumpy waters BTW
Smiley
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mark: what parts did you order? i've looked into this to 'retrofit' my suzuki 4HP and i always run into a 'wall' of information that says i need about 12 part ... one of which is the 6HP's fuel pump. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Mark House <itsmark@bresnan.net> wrote: I noticed that My 4 HP Suzuki has a fuel pump that pumps gas from the integral tank to the carb. So I threw away the tank and added a gas line fitting. Got parts supposed to go on the 6HP. It works fine from a remote 3 gallon tank. Maybe some other small motors have a similar arrangement. Biggest problem was how to plug the hole in the cowling where the tank fill used to stick out! Mark House
Dave: Here's what the fuel pump looks like: http://store.brownspoint.com/df4/fig009.asp I buy parts from Browns Point in NJ, because they have all the parts drawings on their website. Here's what I bought for my 2004 model: #65720-986B0 Fuel Connector $18.57 #65750-87J11 Fuel Hose Connector $15.50 #09103-06237 Bolt $ 2.07 See the drawing below: http://store.brownspoint.com/df4/fig031.asp I already had a 3 gallon tank and hose assembly from a previous boat. I have limited experience with this setup, as I just got my M-17 launched last fall. I found that the system is somewhat unusually slow to prime. I started the motor at the ramp, motored about 100 yards and it quit. So I had to sail into my slip! Anyhow, when it gets well-primed it works with no problem. I ran it 45 minutes in a garbage can in my drive, and up to 30 minutes at a time on the lake I replaced the water pump, and solved gear shifting problems during the winter, so need to run it again in the drive. Maybe tomorrow. If so, I'll send you photos. Mark House ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:51 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank mark: what parts did you order? i've looked into this to 'retrofit' my suzuki 4HP and i always run into a 'wall' of information that says i need about 12 part ... one of which is the 6HP's fuel pump. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Mark House <itsmark@bresnan.net> wrote: I noticed that My 4 HP Suzuki has a fuel pump that pumps gas from the integral tank to the carb. So I threw away the tank and added a gas line fitting. Got parts supposed to go on the 6HP. It works fine from a remote 3 gallon tank. Maybe some other small motors have a similar arrangement. Biggest problem was how to plug the hole in the cowling where the tank fill used to stick out! Mark House _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
mark: i'm into my third season now with the suzuki. when you state "slow to prime" and "well-primed" do you mean you REALLY need to pump the external tank primer-bulb many times to get a _very_firm_ amount of pressure in the line in order for the fuel pump to get good suction? have you tested with the motor running 3/4 throttle? interesting that the issues you listed are the exact same items that have failed on my '03 model that came with my M17 - * waterpump = gave out on my _just_ as i finished the '09 MSOG san juan island trip. * gear shifting = gave out on mine, froze ROCK SOLID, _just_ as i finished the '09 MSOG trip. add to the above, last year the choke knob feel off during the first trip of the year (late april). i have it zipped tied to the control rod now ... how this isn't standard i don't know? :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Mark House <itsmark@bresnan.net> wrote: Dave: Here's what the fuel pump looks like: http://store.brownspoint.com/df4/fig009.asp I buy parts from Browns Point in NJ, because they have all the parts drawings on their website. Here's what I bought for my 2004 model: #65720-986B0 Fuel Connector $18.57 #65750-87J11 Fuel Hose Connector $15.50 #09103-06237 Bolt $ 2.07 See the drawing below: http://store.brownspoint.com/df4/fig031.asp I already had a 3 gallon tank and hose assembly from a previous boat. I have limited experience with this setup, as I just got my M-17 launched last fall. I found that the system is somewhat unusually slow to prime. I started the motor at the ramp, motored about 100 yards and it quit. So I had to sail into my slip! Anyhow, when it gets well-primed it works with no problem. I ran it 45 minutes in a garbage can in my drive, and up to 30 minutes at a time on the lake I replaced the water pump, and solved gear shifting problems during the winter, so need to run it again in the drive. Maybe tomorrow. If so, I'll send you photos. Mark House ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:51 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank mark: what parts did you order? i've looked into this to 'retrofit' my suzuki 4HP and i always run into a 'wall' of information that says i need about 12 part ... one of which is the 6HP's fuel pump. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Mark House <itsmark@bresnan.net> wrote: I noticed that My 4 HP Suzuki has a fuel pump that pumps gas from the integral tank to the carb. So I threw away the tank and added a gas line fitting. Got parts supposed to go on the 6HP. It works fine from a remote 3 gallon tank. Maybe some other small motors have a similar arrangement. Biggest problem was how to plug the hole in the cowling where the tank fill used to stick out! Mark House
Yes, it takes a lot of bulb-squeezing. When I hooked up the remote tank fittings, I ran my hose from the hose fitting through the on-off valve, to the fuel pump. This winter, I took out the valve, thinking that it might have accounted for the difficult prime. I have run at full throttle, no problem. The fuel pump and entire fuel delivery system seems to be adequate once it gets a good prime. My water pump did not fail. I had the "froze-up" shifter problem, so replaced the water pump while the lower unit was off. The "froze-up" shift problem is caused by insufficient lubrication of the shift lever itself in its housing. It's amazing how "froze-up" this can get! The lever gets froze by corrosion in the hole through which the lever rotates. You have to take off the powerhead, clean out the corrosion, replace the lever, and grease it up with all the grease you can get in! It might have been ok to clean up the old lever, but I wasn't taking chances on doing this job twice. My manual shows a lube zerk which would have prevented this problem, but my motor has no such zerk, and no hole through which grease could get wher it needs to be. I thought about drilling it out and tapping for a zerk, but figured it took 6 years to get bad in salt water... I'll probably replace the motor before it happens again. I haven't looked at my choke knob...maybe I should. Mark House ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 5:21 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank mark: i'm into my third season now with the suzuki. when you state "slow to prime" and "well-primed" do you mean you REALLY need to pump the external tank primer-bulb many times to get a _very_firm_ amount of pressure in the line in order for the fuel pump to get good suction? have you tested with the motor running 3/4 throttle? interesting that the issues you listed are the exact same items that have failed on my '03 model that came with my M17 - * waterpump = gave out on my _just_ as i finished the '09 MSOG san juan island trip. * gear shifting = gave out on mine, froze ROCK SOLID, _just_ as i finished the '09 MSOG trip. add to the above, last year the choke knob feel off during the first trip of the year (late april). i have it zipped tied to the control rod now ... how this isn't standard i don't know? :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Mark House <itsmark@bresnan.net> wrote: Dave: Here's what the fuel pump looks like: http://store.brownspoint.com/df4/fig009.asp I buy parts from Browns Point in NJ, because they have all the parts drawings on their website. Here's what I bought for my 2004 model: #65720-986B0 Fuel Connector $18.57 #65750-87J11 Fuel Hose Connector $15.50 #09103-06237 Bolt $ 2.07 See the drawing below: http://store.brownspoint.com/df4/fig031.asp I already had a 3 gallon tank and hose assembly from a previous boat. I have limited experience with this setup, as I just got my M-17 launched last fall. I found that the system is somewhat unusually slow to prime. I started the motor at the ramp, motored about 100 yards and it quit. So I had to sail into my slip! Anyhow, when it gets well-primed it works with no problem. I ran it 45 minutes in a garbage can in my drive, and up to 30 minutes at a time on the lake I replaced the water pump, and solved gear shifting problems during the winter, so need to run it again in the drive. Maybe tomorrow. If so, I'll send you photos. Mark House ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:51 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank mark: what parts did you order? i've looked into this to 'retrofit' my suzuki 4HP and i always run into a 'wall' of information that says i need about 12 part ... one of which is the 6HP's fuel pump. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Mark House <itsmark@bresnan.net> wrote: I noticed that My 4 HP Suzuki has a fuel pump that pumps gas from the integral tank to the carb. So I threw away the tank and added a gas line fitting. Got parts supposed to go on the 6HP. It works fine from a remote 3 gallon tank. Maybe some other small motors have a similar arrangement. Biggest problem was how to plug the hole in the cowling where the tank fill used to stick out! Mark House _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
Dave: You saved me a lot of grief with my motor! I set it up in my drive to test run, since I worked on the shift mechanism and water pump this winter. I also told you I would take some photos. This motor hasn't been started since the beginning of November. I squeezed the bulb 5 times, pulled the choke, and it started on the second pull. As before it stopped in a few minutes, and needed the bulb squeezed another 4-5 times to restart. Turns out my fuel pump is leaking like a sieve, from the removable "head plate". I had never before squeezed the prime bulb with the cowling off. I'm betting this leak has something to do with difficult priming. I'm mighty glad I have time to rebuild it before taking off on the Florida 120! Let me know your e-mail and I'll send photos of the modifications needed for a remote tank. Mark House ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 5:21 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank mark: i'm into my third season now with the suzuki. when you state "slow to prime" and "well-primed" do you mean you REALLY need to pump the external tank primer-bulb many times to get a _very_firm_ amount of pressure in the line in order for the fuel pump to get good suction? have you tested with the motor running 3/4 throttle? interesting that the issues you listed are the exact same items that have failed on my '03 model that came with my M17 - * waterpump = gave out on my _just_ as i finished the '09 MSOG san juan island trip. * gear shifting = gave out on mine, froze ROCK SOLID, _just_ as i finished the '09 MSOG trip. add to the above, last year the choke knob feel off during the first trip of the year (late april). i have it zipped tied to the control rod now ... how this isn't standard i don't know? :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Mark House <itsmark@bresnan.net> wrote: Dave: Here's what the fuel pump looks like: http://store.brownspoint.com/df4/fig009.asp I buy parts from Browns Point in NJ, because they have all the parts drawings on their website. Here's what I bought for my 2004 model: #65720-986B0 Fuel Connector $18.57 #65750-87J11 Fuel Hose Connector $15.50 #09103-06237 Bolt $ 2.07 See the drawing below: http://store.brownspoint.com/df4/fig031.asp I already had a 3 gallon tank and hose assembly from a previous boat. I have limited experience with this setup, as I just got my M-17 launched last fall. I found that the system is somewhat unusually slow to prime. I started the motor at the ramp, motored about 100 yards and it quit. So I had to sail into my slip! Anyhow, when it gets well-primed it works with no problem. I ran it 45 minutes in a garbage can in my drive, and up to 30 minutes at a time on the lake I replaced the water pump, and solved gear shifting problems during the winter, so need to run it again in the drive. Maybe tomorrow. If so, I'll send you photos. Mark House ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:51 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank mark: what parts did you order? i've looked into this to 'retrofit' my suzuki 4HP and i always run into a 'wall' of information that says i need about 12 part ... one of which is the 6HP's fuel pump. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Mark House <itsmark@bresnan.net> wrote: I noticed that My 4 HP Suzuki has a fuel pump that pumps gas from the integral tank to the carb. So I threw away the tank and added a gas line fitting. Got parts supposed to go on the 6HP. It works fine from a remote 3 gallon tank. Maybe some other small motors have a similar arrangement. Biggest problem was how to plug the hole in the cowling where the tank fill used to stick out! Mark House _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
mark: i am GLAD you checked! gas, air, hot motor ... not a good mix. your inspection is a good example of the importance of a triple-check of our motors during the off-season and before every trip. it is time for my monthly motor run so i'll be sure and check my motor - cover OFF! hope the fix is uneventful. my contact email is wdscobie {at} yahoo {period} com (or through the sage marine or my person SWEET PEA sites). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Sat, 3/5/11, Mark House <itsmark@bresnan.net> wrote: Dave: You saved me a lot of grief with my motor! I set it up in my drive to test run, since I worked on the shift mechanism and water pump this winter. I also told you I would take some photos. This motor hasn't been started since the beginning of November. I squeezed the bulb 5 times, pulled the choke, and it started on the second pull. As before it stopped in a few minutes, and needed the bulb squeezed another 4-5 times to restart. Turns out my fuel pump is leaking like a sieve, from the removable "head plate". I had never before squeezed the prime bulb with the cowling off. I'm betting this leak has something to do with difficult priming. I'm mighty glad I have time to rebuild it before taking off on the Florida 120! Let me know your e-mail and I'll send photos of the modifications needed for a remote tank. Mark House
Interesting! I had to replace the fuel pump diaphram on my suzuki 6 last spring due to fuel leakage. Sounds like a common problem with the suzukis. Larry On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 1:11 PM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
mark:
i am GLAD you checked! gas, air, hot motor ... not a good mix.
your inspection is a good example of the importance of a triple-check of our motors during the off-season and before every trip. it is time for my monthly motor run so i'll be sure and check my motor - cover OFF!
hope the fix is uneventful.
my contact email is wdscobie {at} yahoo {period} com (or through the sage marine or my person SWEET PEA sites).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us
--- On Sat, 3/5/11, Mark House <itsmark@bresnan.net> wrote:
Dave:
You saved me a lot of grief with my motor! I set it up in my drive to test run, since I worked on the shift mechanism and water pump this winter. I also told you I would take some photos. This motor hasn't been started since the beginning of November. I squeezed the bulb 5 times, pulled the choke, and it started on the second pull. As before it stopped in a few minutes, and needed the bulb squeezed another 4-5 times to restart. Turns out my fuel pump is leaking like a sieve, from the removable "head plate". I had never before squeezed the prime bulb with the cowling off. I'm betting this leak has something to do with difficult priming. I'm mighty glad I have time to rebuild it before taking off on the Florida 120!
Let me know your e-mail and I'll send photos of the modifications needed for a remote tank.
Mark House
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A 4 hp might seem to be a bit much for an M15, but if I was buying new for my M17, this motor seems attractive: http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohatsu-4-hp-Outboards.html 4 hp with Internal tank, but comes ready with fitting for the external if you wanted one (cost extra). Anyone have experience with Tohatsu / Nissan / Mercury?
I have two 4hp Nissans, long shafts, one on my Seaward Fox and the other one on my M17. One is a year old and the other is about 15 years old They work great, seem quite efficient and use 3.5 gallons external tanks,. Was just down in Key Largo and the Catalina 22 I used had a 4 hp Tohatsu with an internal tank. I think I put about 5 miles on it before I had to refuel. Randy Sommerfeld No Worries M17 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Howard Audsley Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 8:23 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank A 4 hp might seem to be a bit much for an M15, but if I was buying new for my M17, this motor seems attractive: http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohatsu-4-hp-Outboards.html 4 hp with Internal tank, but comes ready with fitting for the external if you wanted one (cost extra). Anyone have experience with Tohatsu / Nissan / Mercury? _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
for the 4HP is a very popular motor for the M17s. i have a 4HP suzuki on my 17 and have had no 'power' concerns. i've seen more and more folks using the yamaha 4HP with external tank. the yamaha 4HP is on my 'radar' if i ever need to 'anchor test' my suzuki. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Sat, 3/5/11, Howard Audsley <haudsley@tranquility.net> wrote: A 4 hp might seem to be a bit much for an M15, but if I was buying new for my M17, this motor seems attractive: http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohatsu-4-hp-Outboards.html 4 hp with Internal tank, but comes ready with fitting for the external if you wanted one (cost extra). Anyone have experience with Tohatsu / Nissan / Mercury?
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Larry Yake -
Mark House -
Randy and Kay Sommerfeld -
W David Scobie