Listers, Looking at ordering a new mainsail for my 1976 vintage M17. The last one I had made did not fit quite right, and I muddled through with it. Does anyone (Jerry?) have the stock dimensions? The original spec sheet says it is 77 sq. ft in size. I'm looking at: loose footed luff cars 2 reef points full batten on top Thoughts? Many thanks Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ The Unusual Link Between Alzheimer's and Coconut Oil (Watch) Memory Repair Protocol http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5aae8f4f8a338f4f4695st04vuc
Bones, The mainsail for my 1977 M-17 I purchased in 2010 from Elliot/Pattison Sails. I've been quite happy with it. I have it at my home in Bloomington, MN if you would like to take a look. Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+richmakela=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com ] On Behalf Of bownez@juno.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 11:09 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mainsail Listers, Looking at ordering a new mainsail for my 1976 vintage M17. The last one I had made did not fit quite right, and I muddled through with it. Does anyone (Jerry?) have the stock dimensions? The original spec sheet says it is 77 sq. ft in size. I'm looking at: loose footed luff cars 2 reef points full batten on top Thoughts? Many thanks Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ The Unusual Link Between Alzheimer's and Coconut Oil (Watch) Memory Repair Protocol http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5aae8f4f8a338f4f4695st04vuc
Who made your last sail? I'm curious. I'd go to Harry Pattison in Newport Beach (Elliot/Pattison). I'd mention to him that your last sail didn't fit, and that your boat is one of the early ones, made by me. He'll have the proper sailplan. Harry is also a great sailor; he sailed with me in the recent Wrinkleboat Regatta and was a real asset; we took 5 firsts and that's the first time I've done that for many years. -----Original Message----- From: bownez@juno.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 9:08 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mainsail Listers, Looking at ordering a new mainsail for my 1976 vintage M17. The last one I had made did not fit quite right, and I muddled through with it. Does anyone (Jerry?) have the stock dimensions? The original spec sheet says it is 77 sq. ft in size. I'm looking at: loose footed luff cars 2 reef points full batten on top Thoughts? Many thanks Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ The Unusual Link Between Alzheimer's and Coconut Oil (Watch) Memory Repair Protocol http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5aae8f4f8a338f4f4695st04vuc
Mr. Bones, I cannot remember her name but several people recommended her work for a mainsail for my 1977 M17. The sail did not fit.The roach was cut too full at the full length top batten. I sent it back to her, she was very pleasant throughout the whole thing. I waited a couple of weeks because she had to send it back to the Far East, Taiwan, maybe to have it altered. When it returned the full length top batten would not clear the backstay so I took it out. The roach near the head riffles past the backstay when I come about. I cannot say I am pleased with the set of the main. It looks rather like a dishtowel draped across a clothesline. Again, she was very pleasant throughout the whole business but she did not seem to be able to create a good mainsail for my 17. Perhaps the rig, being a 1977, was not easy for her to deal with. I would definitely use a sailloft that works in this country. I think going with what Jerry suggests is going to be your best bet at getting a good setting and working main. Good luck Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 11:08 AM, bownez@juno.com <bownez@juno.com> wrote:
Listers,
Looking at ordering a new mainsail for my 1976 vintage M17. The last one I had made did not fit quite right, and I muddled through with it.
Does anyone (Jerry?) have the stock dimensions? The original spec sheet says it is 77 sq. ft in size.
I'm looking at:
loose footed luff cars 2 reef points full batten on top
Thoughts?
Many thanks
Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ The Unusual Link Between Alzheimer's and Coconut Oil (Watch) Memory Repair Protocol http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5aae8f4f8a338f4f4695st04vuc
My 1974 M-17 came with a "newer" mainsail (meaning newer than the original, which I also have) from North Sails. It seems very well built, seems to set well, has two reefs plus what someone here identified as a smaller "flattening reef." And, it also has a problem with top batten hitting backstay just a bit (it's not a full length batten FWIW). When I asked about recommendations for the new furling jib I'm getting, Jerry said Elliot-Patterson, several people said Judy B Sails, and there were one or two other custom makers suggested that I've forgotten but they'd be in the list archives... cheers, John On 03/18/2018 04:43 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Mr. Bones, I cannot remember her name but several people recommended her work for a mainsail for my 1977 M17. The sail did not fit.The roach was cut too full at the full length top batten. I sent it back to her, she was very pleasant throughout the whole thing. I waited a couple of weeks because she had to send it back to the Far East, Taiwan, maybe to have it altered. When it returned the full length top batten would not clear the backstay so I took it out. The roach near the head riffles past the backstay when I come about. I cannot say I am pleased with the set of the main. It looks rather like a dishtowel draped across a clothesline. Again, she was very pleasant throughout the whole business but she did not seem to be able to create a good mainsail for my 17. Perhaps the rig, being a 1977, was not easy for her to deal with. I would definitely use a sailloft that works in this country. I think going with what Jerry suggests is going to be your best bet at getting a good setting and working main. Good luck Tom B
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On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 11:08 AM, bownez@juno.com <bownez@juno.com> wrote:
Listers,
Looking at ordering a new mainsail for my 1976 vintage M17. The last one I had made did not fit quite right, and I muddled through with it.
Does anyone (Jerry?) have the stock dimensions? The original spec sheet says it is 77 sq. ft in size.
I'm looking at:
loose footed luff cars 2 reef points full batten on top
Thoughts?
Many thanks
Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ The Unusual Link Between Alzheimer's and Coconut Oil (Watch) Memory Repair Protocol http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5aae8f4f8a338f4f4695st04vuc
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Elliot-Pattison probably has more experience than anyone currently making sails for the Montgomery 15/17's - and Jerry is right - Harry makes Jerry look good when they race together. (he is also a nice and knowledgable guy). FWIW - do you drive on 40 year old,28 year old, okay 15 year old tires? Was your last oil change 40/28/15 years ago? Think about that re. the age of your sails....look good usually means nothing unless you had a sailmaker check them. I guarantee you, if you buy quality sails, it will change the experience when sailing your boat (I have a genoa that I am frequently mesmerized by when staring at it's shape- makes the boat haul a#* too!) Have Fun, Go Sailing ! Do your baot a favor - and yourself by quality sails! (then roll them up to store them in 'sausage bags' so they stay nice!) Gary O. gilasailr@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 19, 2018 4:41 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mainsail My 1974 M-17 came with a "newer" mainsail (meaning newer than the original, which I also have) from North Sails. It seems very well built, seems to set well, has two reefs plus what someone here identified as a smaller "flattening reef." And, it also has a problem with top batten hitting backstay just a bit (it's not a full length batten FWIW). When I asked about recommendations for the new furling jib I'm getting, Jerry said Elliot-Patterson, several people said Judy B Sails, and there were one or two other custom makers suggested that I've forgotten but they'd be in the list archives... cheers, John On 03/18/2018 04:43 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Mr. Bones, I cannot remember her name but several people recommended her work for a mainsail for my 1977 M17. The sail did not fit.The roach was cut too full at the full length top batten. I sent it back to her, she was very pleasant throughout the whole thing. I waited a couple of weeks because she had to send it back to the Far East, Taiwan, maybe to have it altered. When it returned the full length top batten would not clear the backstay so I took it out. The roach near the head riffles past the backstay when I come about. I cannot say I am pleased with the set of the main. It looks rather like a dishtowel draped across a clothesline. Again, she was very pleasant throughout the whole business but she did not seem to be able to create a good mainsail for my 17. Perhaps the rig, being a 1977, was not easy for her to deal with. I would definitely use a sailloft that works in this country. I think going with what Jerry suggests is going to be your best bet at getting a good setting and working main. Good luck Tom B
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On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 11:08 AM, bownez@juno.com <bownez@juno.com> wrote:
Listers,
Looking at ordering a new mainsail for my 1976 vintage M17. The last one I had made did not fit quite right, and I muddled through with it.
Does anyone (Jerry?) have the stock dimensions? The original spec sheet says it is 77 sq. ft in size.
I'm looking at:
loose footed luff cars 2 reef points full batten on top
Thoughts?
Many thanks
Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ The Unusual Link Between Alzheimer's and Coconut Oil (Watch) Memory Repair Protocol http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5aae8f4f8a338f4f4695st04vuc
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I've had an Elliott-Pattison mainsail on my 1976 M17 for 4 seasons and am very satisfied. My sail is what you might call pret-a-porter in that it is what you get if you just tell E-P to send you their standard M17 mainsail. It is loose-footed with regular battens. Two points based on my experience: First, there is some conflicting information out there about the foot dimension. My sail fits my boat, but with very little room to spare for the outhaul tackle. If there is a next time, I probably will make the foot 2-3" shorter. Second, my sail was supposed to have only one set of reef points but I got a second set by mistake (at no charge). I'll probably never use it, but the second reef seems very deep. At a guess, it probably leaves only about 35 sq. ft. flying and seems to be targeted at winds of 25+ knots. If I was doing it over, I probably would ask for a slightly shallower reef targeted at 20+ knots of wind. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces+swwheatley=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of bownez@juno.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 12:09 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mainsail Listers, Looking at ordering a new mainsail for my 1976 vintage M17. The last one I had made did not fit quite right, and I muddled through with it. Does anyone (Jerry?) have the stock dimensions? The original spec sheet says it is 77 sq. ft in size. I'm looking at: loose footed luff cars 2 reef points full batten on top Thoughts? Many thanks Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ The Unusual Link Between Alzheimer's and Coconut Oil (Watch) Memory Repair Protocol http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5aae8f4f8a338f4f4695st04vuc
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bownez＠juno.com -
Gary Oberbeck -
jerry＠jerrymontgomery.org -
John Schinnerer -
Rich Makela -
swwheatley＠comcast.net -
Thomas Buzzi