Thanks Joe....please let me know what you come up with to tether it to the boat. It is a good simple way to keep the ladder up. Mine had a bolt I guess to adjust the depth of the bolt. I have to say I am still very impressed with this little boat. I have had a lot of people asking about it which I hope results in more new Monty's coming to our area. Regards Tony E. Tony Reed -----Original Message----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> Subj: Re: M_Boats: M23 Date: Tue Apr 7, 2009 6:03 pm Size: 3K To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Tony, Mine came basically the same way. The only thing that sounds different is that mine has the bolt that just slips through a pad eye strap and into the leg of the ladder. It is simple to remove but I have to be careful where I put it because it isn't tethered in any way to the boat. I haven't changed it yet, but plan to as soon as I can figure out a better mousetrap. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Tony Reed" <treed@communitycareinc.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23
Joe,
I have a question for you. The boarding ladder on my M15 has a stainless bolt with a not that screws into the foot of the boarding ladder. I holds it up securely but obviously it takes a little time to undo. I really have not paid much attention to it until the other day when I was putting it back on the trailer. How are you securing yours?
Thanks,
Tony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 5:11 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23
Tony, If you are still looking for an M23 check out http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery23a.html I'm not sure if it finally sold. The newer M23's look a lot like the Falmouth Cutter which it is fashioned after. I was very tempted into pursuing the M23 and talked to Bob Eeg about it. I told him the "whats and wherefores" for my particular situation and he strongly suggested the M17 instead. Will you have a water depth issue in Florida? If not, perhaps you might want to look at some Falmouth Cutters or the Flickas. I had a NorSea 27 for 5 years but the sailing areas where I live here on the outer banks of NC are just not conducive to a 4' draft boat unless you stay rigidly within the channels. Not much fun when I look out my back door to the Bogue Sound that is 2 miles wide and 25 long and is about 2' deep in 90% of it. Glad you are enjoying your M17. I have mine out to do some spring stuff like bottom washing and touchup and a good varnish job on the little bit of teak (compared to the NorSea!!) Plus I'm putting in a 12V system with nav lights and some interior lights, fans etc. I'm also putting in a fixed VHF with a mast antenna. I haven't figured out the best place to locate the radio. I have a handheld but sometimes it doesn't have quite enough juice to stay in touch with others. I'll probably go out with a group wide solicitation of suggestions. Sailing it is quite a new experience compared to the NorSea. Ten feet shorter and ten thousand pounds lighter I guess would make a difference. I actually have to trim sails!! New learning curve. BTW was I correct that your boat and mine came cross country together with a total of three on the same trailer or was your's the one that came tranported solo?? My M17 is called Seafrog. Good luck in your search for the perfect Florida boat and have fun on the M17 Joe
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Tony, Yes they are quite impressive. I took off the mast base to drill a hole thru the cabin roof to run a coax cable and a triplex wire for a tricolor mast light. I knew this area would be, or at least should be, fairly stout. But I never expected to find the top layer of FB to be close too 5/16" laying over 5/8" or maybe 3/4" plywood (not balsa) and then about 3/16" FG on the inside layer. I found this out when I redrilled the holes with oversized holes and then reamed out the plywood with a rotozip. Hope to splash soon. Still have to varnish. Back at ya, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <treed@communitycareinc.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23
Thanks Joe....please let me know what you come up with to tether it to the boat. It is a good simple way to keep the ladder up. Mine had a bolt I guess to adjust the depth of the bolt. I have to say I am still very impressed with this little boat. I have had a lot of people asking about it which I hope results in more new Monty's coming to our area. Regards Tony
E. Tony Reed
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From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> Subj: Re: M_Boats: M23 Date: Tue Apr 7, 2009 6:03 pm Size: 3K To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Tony, Mine came basically the same way. The only thing that sounds different is that mine has the bolt that just slips through a pad eye strap and into the leg of the ladder. It is simple to remove but I have to be careful where I put it because it isn't tethered in any way to the boat. I haven't changed it yet, but plan to as soon as I can figure out a better mousetrap. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Tony Reed" <treed@communitycareinc.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23
Joe,
I have a question for you. The boarding ladder on my M15 has a stainless bolt with a not that screws into the foot of the boarding ladder. I holds it up securely but obviously it takes a little time to undo. I really have not paid much attention to it until the other day when I was putting it back on the trailer. How are you securing yours?
Thanks,
Tony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 5:11 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23
Tony, If you are still looking for an M23 check out http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery23a.html I'm not sure if it finally sold. The newer M23's look a lot like the Falmouth Cutter which it is fashioned after. I was very tempted into pursuing the M23 and talked to Bob Eeg about it. I told him the "whats and wherefores" for my particular situation and he strongly suggested the M17 instead. Will you have a water depth issue in Florida? If not, perhaps you might want to look at some Falmouth Cutters or the Flickas. I had a NorSea 27 for 5 years but the sailing areas where I live here on the outer banks of NC are just not conducive to a 4' draft boat unless you stay rigidly within the channels. Not much fun when I look out my back door to the Bogue Sound that is 2 miles wide and 25 long and is about 2' deep in 90% of it. Glad you are enjoying your M17. I have mine out to do some spring stuff like bottom washing and touchup and a good varnish job on the little bit of teak (compared to the NorSea!!) Plus I'm putting in a 12V system with nav lights and some interior lights, fans etc. I'm also putting in a fixed VHF with a mast antenna. I haven't figured out the best place to locate the radio. I have a handheld but sometimes it doesn't have quite enough juice to stay in touch with others. I'll probably go out with a group wide solicitation of suggestions. Sailing it is quite a new experience compared to the NorSea. Ten feet shorter and ten thousand pounds lighter I guess would make a difference. I actually have to trim sails!! New learning curve. BTW was I correct that your boat and mine came cross country together with a total of three on the same trailer or was your's the one that came tranported solo?? My M17 is called Seafrog. Good luck in your search for the perfect Florida boat and have fun on the M17 Joe
----- Original Message ----- From: <treed@communitycareinc.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23
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AN EARLIER THREAD FOR CENTERBOARD PROBLEMS WITH THE M17, TALKED ABOUT REMOVING THE CENTERBOARD AND ADDING A WINGED KEEL. HAS ANYONE TRIED THIS IDEA? ALSO - ANYONE MAKE A DODGER FOR THE M17? THANKS Lon SELKIE ============ ============ ========== [Dick Straubel Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:06:11 -0700] Would increase the draft by the thickness of the metal plate. When heeled, the wing might go down deeper as it tilts, but not significant and would not increase draft more than the thickness of the plate when not heeled. The plate could actually be quite thin, and weight or original board could be replaced by pouring a lead/resin gruel down into the trunk from above. The trick would be to design the rake of the wing blades and determine the position of the wing plate fore and aft on the keel to achieve the best helm balance. I believe the point of raking/sweeping the wings is to adjust the center of lateral resistance aft as the boat heels so the helms stays close to balanced
How about, rather than a wing, just extending the keel about a foot? In my opinion, a wing is a bit of a gimmick. You could make an extension of wood or foam and take it to a iron foundry, and the considerable shrinkage in the iron would allow clearance to give the whole thing a heavy layer of glass (being sure to use epoxy), which would make it bulletproof. If you make the extension out of dry pine you can weigh it to estimate the weight of iron, if foam you'll have to glass it and arrive at the weight of iron by the displacement method. Remember our old friend Archimedes? Water weighs 62.4 lbs per cu ft; iron weighs 450. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "lon zimmerman" <zimco@gci.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:32 AM Subject: M_Boats: M17 wing keel
AN EARLIER THREAD FOR CENTERBOARD PROBLEMS WITH THE M17, TALKED ABOUT REMOVING THE CENTERBOARD AND ADDING A WINGED KEEL.
HAS ANYONE TRIED THIS IDEA?
ALSO - ANYONE MAKE A DODGER FOR THE M17?
THANKS
Lon SELKIE
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[Dick Straubel Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:06:11 -0700]
Would increase the draft by the thickness of the metal plate. When heeled, the wing might go down deeper as it tilts, but not significant and would not increase draft more than the thickness of the plate when not heeled. The plate could actually be quite thin, and weight or original board could be replaced by pouring a lead/resin gruel down into the trunk from above. The trick would be to design the rake of the wing blades and determine the position of the wing
plate fore and aft on the keel to achieve the best helm balance. I believe the point of raking/sweeping the wings is to adjust the center of lateral resistance aft as the boat heels so the helms stays close to balanced
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