Monty Pals Was out sailing today in steady 14-16K winds topping out @ 20K was able to sail without a reef and maintain boat on her 15 deg. line. I am wondering if I am under canvassed. Can someone direct me to where I can find Main and Working Jib dimensions? I noticed that I still have about 24" of host left on the Main. My boom is sitting just below the mast gate held there by a stop. It appears that I could have the boom above the gate with stop preventing it from coming down. Where should the Boom normally ride on a M15? I have my Jib foot at the same height as the Boom is that correct? George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails'
I assume 24 inches of host means 24 inches of hoist left in the main. That should like a nice first reef to me. t On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
Monty Pals
Was out sailing today in steady 14-16K winds topping out @ 20K was able to sail without a reef and maintain boat on her 15 deg. line. I am wondering if I am under canvassed. Can someone direct me to where I can find Main and Working Jib dimensions? I noticed that I still have about 24" of host left on the Main. My boom is sitting just below the mast gate held there by a stop. It appears that I could have the boom above the gate with stop preventing it from coming down. Where should the Boom normally ride on a M15? I have my Jib foot at the same height as the Boom is that correct?
George
Merry Helen II M15 #602
'We Can Not Control the Wind
But We Can Adjust our Sails'
Tom I agree that 24" is about a first reef except I do not reduce sail area. That is why I think my sail is smaller to start with. Need to measure it against a normal Monty Main sail plan. Where can I find info? George Merry Hellen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info I assume 24 inches of host means 24 inches of hoist left in the main. That should like a nice first reef to me. t On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
Monty Pals
Was out sailing today in steady 14-16K winds topping out @ 20K was able to sail without a reef and maintain boat on her 15 deg. line. I am wondering if I am under canvassed. Can someone direct me to where I can find Main and Working Jib dimensions? I noticed that I still have about 24" of host left on the Main. My boom is sitting just below the mast gate held there by a stop. It appears that I could have the boom above the gate with stop preventing it from coming down. Where should the Boom normally ride on a M15? I have my Jib foot at the same height as the Boom is that correct?
George
Merry Helen II M15 #602
'We Can Not Control the Wind
But We Can Adjust our Sails'
George, the MSOG " Montgomery sailboat owners group" has the sail dimensions of all the M boats. It sounds like your sail is much smaller that stock. Fair winds, Tom B, M17#258 On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 3:39 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
Tom
I agree that 24" is about a first reef except I do not reduce sail area. That is why I think my sail is smaller to start with. Need to measure it against a normal Monty Main sail plan. Where can I find info?
George Merry Hellen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
I assume 24 inches of host means 24 inches of hoist left in the main. That should like a nice first reef to me. t
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Monty Pals
Was out sailing today in steady 14-16K winds topping out @ 20K was able to sail without a reef and maintain boat on her 15 deg. line. I am wondering if I am under canvassed. Can someone direct me to where I can find Main and Working Jib dimensions? I noticed that I still have about 24" of host left on the Main. My boom is sitting just below the mast gate held there by a stop. It appears that I could have the boom above the gate with stop preventing it from coming down. Where should the Boom normally ride on a M15? I have my Jib foot at the same height as the Boom is that correct?
George
Merry Helen II M15 #602
'We Can Not Control the Wind
But We Can Adjust our Sails'
Tom Found the info on the MSOG as you indicate I will be measuring when I haul boat nest week suspect you are right:-( This may mean new sails are in order for next season. George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:18 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info George, the MSOG " Montgomery sailboat owners group" has the sail dimensions of all the M boats. It sounds like your sail is much smaller that stock. Fair winds, Tom B, M17#258 On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 3:39 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
Tom
I agree that 24" is about a first reef except I do not reduce sail area. That is why I think my sail is smaller to start with. Need to measure it against a normal Monty Main sail plan. Where can I find info?
George Merry Hellen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
I assume 24 inches of host means 24 inches of hoist left in the main. That should like a nice first reef to me. t
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Monty Pals
Was out sailing today in steady 14-16K winds topping out @ 20K was able to sail without a reef and maintain boat on her 15 deg. line. I am wondering if I am under canvassed. Can someone direct me to where I can find Main and Working Jib dimensions? I noticed that I still have about 24" of host left on the Main. My boom is sitting just below the mast gate held there by a stop. It appears that I could have the boom above the gate with stop preventing it from coming down. Where should the Boom normally ride on a M15? I have my Jib foot at the same height as the Boom is that correct?
George
Merry Helen II M15 #602
'We Can Not Control the Wind
But We Can Adjust our Sails'
I am wondering, if it turns out to be the case, why anybody would cut two feet off the foot of the mainsail??? On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:01 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
Tom
Found the info on the MSOG as you indicate I will be measuring when I haul boat nest week suspect you are right:-( This may mean new sails are in order for next season.
George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails'
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:18 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
George, the MSOG " Montgomery sailboat owners group" has the sail dimensions of all the M boats. It sounds like your sail is much smaller that stock. Fair winds, Tom B, M17#258
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 3:39 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Tom
I agree that 24" is about a first reef except I do not reduce sail area. That is why I think my sail is smaller to start with. Need to measure it against a normal Monty Main sail plan. Where can I find info?
George Merry Hellen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
I assume 24 inches of host means 24 inches of hoist left in the main. That should like a nice first reef to me. t
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Monty Pals
Was out sailing today in steady 14-16K winds topping out @ 20K was able to sail without a reef and maintain boat on her 15 deg. line. I am wondering if I am under canvassed. Can someone direct me to where I can find Main and Working Jib dimensions? I noticed that I still have about 24" of host left on the Main. My boom is sitting just below the mast gate held there by a stop. It appears that I could have the boom above the gate with stop preventing it from coming down. Where should the Boom normally ride on a M15? I have my Jib foot at the same height as the Boom is that correct?
George
Merry Helen II M15 #602
'We Can Not Control the Wind
But We Can Adjust our Sails'
Tom 'E' dim. As foot of sail fits boom @ 7.83' that is correct so 'P' dim. Must be off by 24" or 14.83' will know for sure when I haul boat next week. George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:08 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info I am wondering, if it turns out to be the case, why anybody would cut two feet off the foot of the mainsail??? On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:01 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
Tom
Found the info on the MSOG as you indicate I will be measuring when I haul boat nest week suspect you are right:-( This may mean new sails are in order for next season.
George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails'
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:18 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
George, the MSOG " Montgomery sailboat owners group" has the sail dimensions of all the M boats. It sounds like your sail is much smaller that stock. Fair winds, Tom B, M17#258
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 3:39 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Tom
I agree that 24" is about a first reef except I do not reduce sail area. That is why I think my sail is smaller to start with. Need to measure it against a normal Monty Main sail plan. Where can I find info?
George Merry Hellen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
I assume 24 inches of host means 24 inches of hoist left in the main. That should like a nice first reef to me. t
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Monty Pals
Was out sailing today in steady 14-16K winds topping out @ 20K was able to sail without a reef and maintain boat on her 15 deg. line. I am wondering if I am under canvassed. Can someone direct me to where I can find Main and Working Jib dimensions? I noticed that I still have about 24" of host left on the Main. My boom is sitting just below the mast gate held there by a stop. It appears that I could have the boom above the gate with stop preventing it from coming down. Where should the Boom normally ride on a M15? I have my Jib foot at the same height as the Boom is that correct?
George
Merry Helen II M15 #602
'We Can Not Control the Wind
But We Can Adjust our Sails'
Hi George, I hope whomever bought the sail got a REAL good deal on it. Had a deja vue experience last night about 10pm. I've been working on the cockpit drain and installing a new connecting hose under the cabin sole. Spent yesterday cleaning out some Ace Hardware "Marine Epoxy" which set up like snail slime. Well, you don't go to an Italian Restaurant for Chinese food and you don't go to Ace Hardware for Marine epoxy. (Whatever that is). Anyway, I had to re-epoxy the metal tube into the floor of the cockpit and left the hose leading to the transom end disconnected. I meant to get back outside in a couple of hours to cover the area once the WEST epoxy kicked but was distracted by a good home cooked meal and a dvd movie. Suddenly a cloud burst caught my attention. I realized immediately that all the water that was caught in the cockpit of my 17 was sluicing down that hole into the bottom of the hull. Three minutes later I was fighting wind and a recalcitrant tarp as I attempted to get it tied down over the boat. I realized that I hadn't had to wrestle anything like a sail in wind, rain and lightning since racing on my boss's old 37 foot sloop back in 1967. Then it was a jenny on a foredeck during a squall sometime around midnight. The parallel's actually made me smile even as rainwater sluicing off the tarp filled my shoes. Nothing like messing about in boats, even when they are still on dry land. Tom B On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 8:25 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
Tom
'E' dim. As foot of sail fits boom @ 7.83' that is correct so 'P' dim. Must be off by 24" or 14.83' will know for sure when I haul boat next week.
George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:08 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
I am wondering, if it turns out to be the case, why anybody would cut two feet off the foot of the mainsail???
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:01 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
Tom
Found the info on the MSOG as you indicate I will be measuring when I haul boat nest week suspect you are right:-( This may mean new sails are in order for next season.
George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails'
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:18 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
George, the MSOG " Montgomery sailboat owners group" has the sail dimensions of all the M boats. It sounds like your sail is much smaller that stock. Fair winds, Tom B, M17#258
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 3:39 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Tom
I agree that 24" is about a first reef except I do not reduce sail area. That is why I think my sail is smaller to start with. Need to measure it against a normal Monty Main sail plan. Where can I find info?
George Merry Hellen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
I assume 24 inches of host means 24 inches of hoist left in the main. That should like a nice first reef to me. t
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Monty Pals
Was out sailing today in steady 14-16K winds topping out @ 20K was able to sail without a reef and maintain boat on her 15 deg. line. I am wondering if I am under canvassed. Can someone direct me to where I can find Main and Working Jib dimensions? I noticed that I still have about 24" of host left on the Main. My boom is sitting just below the mast gate held there by a stop. It appears that I could have the boom above the gate with stop preventing it from coming down. Where should the Boom normally ride on a M15? I have my Jib foot at the same height as the Boom is that correct?
George
Merry Helen II M15 #602
'We Can Not Control the Wind
But We Can Adjust our Sails'
Tom I know what you mean when a gust of wind or spray will take you back to an incident in the past. One of my reoccurring recollections takes me back to a time on Lake Eire in the mid 80's. I was crewing on my friends 28 we were on the return leg back to Buffalo NY after having sailed to Kelly Island outside of Cleveland, OH. We were caught in a Northerly out of Candia and found our selves on a lee shore waiting for a bridge to open and the wind pegging the meter at 60K+, still makes my palms moist:-) George Merry Helen M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:44 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info Hi George, I hope whomever bought the sail got a REAL good deal on it. Had a deja vue experience last night about 10pm. I've been working on the cockpit drain and installing a new connecting hose under the cabin sole. Spent yesterday cleaning out some Ace Hardware "Marine Epoxy" which set up like snail slime. Well, you don't go to an Italian Restaurant for Chinese food and you don't go to Ace Hardware for Marine epoxy. (Whatever that is). Anyway, I had to re-epoxy the metal tube into the floor of the cockpit and left the hose leading to the transom end disconnected. I meant to get back outside in a couple of hours to cover the area once the WEST epoxy kicked but was distracted by a good home cooked meal and a dvd movie. Suddenly a cloud burst caught my attention. I realized immediately that all the water that was caught in the cockpit of my 17 was sluicing down that hole into the bottom of the hull. Three minutes later I was fighting wind and a recalcitrant tarp as I attempted to get it tied down over the boat. I realized that I hadn't had to wrestle anything like a sail in wind, rain and lightning since racing on my boss's old 37 foot sloop back in 1967. Then it was a jenny on a foredeck during a squall sometime around midnight. The parallel's actually made me smile even as rainwater sluicing off the tarp filled my shoes. Nothing like messing about in boats, even when they are still on dry land. Tom B On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 8:25 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
Tom
'E' dim. As foot of sail fits boom @ 7.83' that is correct so 'P' dim. Must be off by 24" or 14.83' will know for sure when I haul boat next week.
George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:08 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
I am wondering, if it turns out to be the case, why anybody would cut two feet off the foot of the mainsail???
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:01 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
Tom
Found the info on the MSOG as you indicate I will be measuring when I haul boat nest week suspect you are right:-( This may mean new sails are in order for next season.
George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails'
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:18 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
George, the MSOG " Montgomery sailboat owners group" has the sail dimensions of all the M boats. It sounds like your sail is much smaller that stock. Fair winds, Tom B, M17#258
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 3:39 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Tom
I agree that 24" is about a first reef except I do not reduce sail area. That is why I think my sail is smaller to start with. Need to measure it against a normal Monty Main sail plan. Where can I find info?
George Merry Hellen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
I assume 24 inches of host means 24 inches of hoist left in the main. That should like a nice first reef to me. t
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Monty Pals
Was out sailing today in steady 14-16K winds topping out @ 20K was able to sail without a reef and maintain boat on her 15 deg. line. I am wondering if I am under canvassed. Can someone direct me to where I can find Main and Working Jib dimensions? I noticed that I still have about 24" of host left on the Main. My boom is sitting just below the mast gate held there by a stop. It appears that I could have the boom above the gate with stop preventing it from coming down. Where should the Boom normally ride on a M15? I have my Jib foot at the same height as the Boom is that correct?
George
Merry Helen II M15 #602
'We Can Not Control the Wind
But We Can Adjust our Sails'
Sounds dicey. Time to brush up on draw bridge horn etiquette. And also an enormous sign saying "PLEASE"! I had some brushed with bridge operators in Florida. Which is why I have a somewhat larger outboard motor on my 17 than what is necessary and downhauls on my sails. Nothing like dodging a backlog of about 15 boats in tight quarters circling one another with wind and currents thrown into the mix. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 4:38 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
Tom
I know what you mean when a gust of wind or spray will take you back to an incident in the past. One of my reoccurring recollections takes me back to a time on Lake Eire in the mid 80's. I was crewing on my friends 28 we were on the return leg back to Buffalo NY after having sailed to Kelly Island outside of Cleveland, OH. We were caught in a Northerly out of Candia and found our selves on a lee shore waiting for a bridge to open and the wind pegging the meter at 60K+, still makes my palms moist:-)
George Merry Helen M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails'
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:44 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
Hi George, I hope whomever bought the sail got a REAL good deal on it. Had a deja vue experience last night about 10pm. I've been working on the cockpit drain and installing a new connecting hose under the cabin sole. Spent yesterday cleaning out some Ace Hardware "Marine Epoxy" which set up like snail slime. Well, you don't go to an Italian Restaurant for Chinese food and you don't go to Ace Hardware for Marine epoxy. (Whatever that is). Anyway, I had to re-epoxy the metal tube into the floor of the cockpit and left the hose leading to the transom end disconnected. I meant to get back outside in a couple of hours to cover the area once the WEST epoxy kicked but was distracted by a good home cooked meal and a dvd movie. Suddenly a cloud burst caught my attention. I realized immediately that all the water that was caught in the cockpit of my 17 was sluicing down that hole into the bottom of the hull. Three minutes later I was fighting wind and a recalcitrant tarp as I attempted to get it tied down over the boat. I realized that I hadn't had to wrestle anything like a sail in wind, rain and lightning since racing on my boss's old 37 foot sloop back in 1967. Then it was a jenny on a foredeck during a squall sometime around midnight. The parallel's actually made me smile even as rainwater sluicing off the tarp filled my shoes. Nothing like messing about in boats, even when they are still on dry land. Tom B
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 8:25 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Tom
'E' dim. As foot of sail fits boom @ 7.83' that is correct so 'P' dim. Must be off by 24" or 14.83' will know for sure when I haul boat next week.
George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:08 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
I am wondering, if it turns out to be the case, why anybody would cut two feet off the foot of the mainsail???
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:01 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
Tom
Found the info on the MSOG as you indicate I will be measuring when I haul boat nest week suspect you are right:-( This may mean new sails are in order for next season.
George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails'
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:18 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
George, the MSOG " Montgomery sailboat owners group" has the sail dimensions of all the M boats. It sounds like your sail is much smaller that stock. Fair winds, Tom B, M17#258
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 3:39 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Tom
I agree that 24" is about a first reef except I do not reduce sail area. That is why I think my sail is smaller to start with. Need to measure it against a normal Monty Main sail plan. Where can I find info?
George Merry Hellen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
I assume 24 inches of host means 24 inches of hoist left in the main. That should like a nice first reef to me. t
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, George Iemmolo < griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Monty Pals
Was out sailing today in steady 14-16K winds topping out @ 20K was able to sail without a reef and maintain boat on her 15 deg. line. I am wondering if I am under canvassed. Can someone direct me to where I can find Main and Working Jib dimensions? I noticed that I still have about 24" of host left on the Main. My boom is sitting just below the mast gate held there by a stop. It appears that I could have the boom above the gate with stop preventing it from coming down. Where should the Boom normally ride on a M15? I have my Jib foot at the same height as the Boom is that correct?
George
Merry Helen II M15 #602
'We Can Not Control the Wind
But We Can Adjust our Sails'
Maybe they were afraid of heeling and trying to make the boat sail flatter? I've heard of that before, but never understood why someone would modify a boat with a shorter rig or smaller sails, instead of just sailing with a reef in. Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:08:17 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info I am wondering, if it turns out to be the case, why anybody would cut two feet off the foot of the mainsail???
George, somebody will know the web address, but one of the old M websites had that info. I'll look around--I'm not very good at finding that stuff. Tom On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:39 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
Tom
I agree that 24" is about a first reef except I do not reduce sail area. That is why I think my sail is smaller to start with. Need to measure it against a normal Monty Main sail plan. Where can I find info?
George Merry Hellen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
I assume 24 inches of host means 24 inches of hoist left in the main. That should like a nice first reef to me. t
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Monty Pals
Was out sailing today in steady 14-16K winds topping out @ 20K was able to sail without a reef and maintain boat on her 15 deg. line. I am wondering if I am under canvassed. Can someone direct me to where I can find Main and Working Jib dimensions? I noticed that I still have about 24" of host left on the Main. My boom is sitting just below the mast gate held there by a stop. It appears that I could have the boom above the gate with stop preventing it from coming down. Where should the Boom normally ride on a M15? I have my Jib foot at the same height as the Boom is that correct?
George
Merry Helen II M15 #602
'We Can Not Control the Wind
But We Can Adjust our Sails'
Tom Found it on MSOG thanks George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:41 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info George, somebody will know the web address, but one of the old M websites had that info. I'll look around--I'm not very good at finding that stuff. Tom On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:39 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
Tom
I agree that 24" is about a first reef except I do not reduce sail area. That is why I think my sail is smaller to start with. Need to measure it against a normal Monty Main sail plan. Where can I find info?
George Merry Hellen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
I assume 24 inches of host means 24 inches of hoist left in the main. That should like a nice first reef to me. t
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Monty Pals
Was out sailing today in steady 14-16K winds topping out @ 20K was able to sail without a reef and maintain boat on her 15 deg. line. I am wondering if I am under canvassed. Can someone direct me to where I can find Main and Working Jib dimensions? I noticed that I still have about 24" of host left on the Main. My boom is sitting just below the mast gate held there by a stop. It appears that I could have the boom above the gate with stop preventing it from coming down. Where should the Boom normally ride on a M15? I have my Jib foot at the same height as the Boom is that correct?
George
Merry Helen II M15 #602
'We Can Not Control the Wind
But We Can Adjust our Sails'
George, just out of curiosity, who sewed the sail? Tom On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:14 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
Tom
Found it on MSOG thanks
George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails'
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:41 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
George, somebody will know the web address, but one of the old M websites had that info. I'll look around--I'm not very good at finding that stuff. Tom
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:39 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Tom
I agree that 24" is about a first reef except I do not reduce sail area. That is why I think my sail is smaller to start with. Need to measure it against a normal Monty Main sail plan. Where can I find info?
George Merry Hellen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
I assume 24 inches of host means 24 inches of hoist left in the main. That should like a nice first reef to me. t
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Monty Pals
Was out sailing today in steady 14-16K winds topping out @ 20K was able to sail without a reef and maintain boat on her 15 deg. line. I am wondering if I am under canvassed. Can someone direct me to where I can find Main and Working Jib dimensions? I noticed that I still have about 24" of host left on the Main. My boom is sitting just below the mast gate held there by a stop. It appears that I could have the boom above the gate with stop preventing it from coming down. Where should the Boom normally ride on a M15? I have my Jib foot at the same height as the Boom is that correct?
George
Merry Helen II M15 #602
'We Can Not Control the Wind
But We Can Adjust our Sails'
Tom I can not remember Company name and do not have it in my log. I kind of remember it being a Far East Name so I will guess it was made off shore to save $. Will check next time out to boat and see if they have web site. George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:20 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info George, just out of curiosity, who sewed the sail? Tom On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:14 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
Tom
Found it on MSOG thanks
George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails'
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:41 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
George, somebody will know the web address, but one of the old M websites had that info. I'll look around--I'm not very good at finding that stuff. Tom
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:39 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Tom
I agree that 24" is about a first reef except I do not reduce sail area. That is why I think my sail is smaller to start with. Need to measure it against a normal Monty Main sail plan. Where can I find info?
George Merry Hellen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info
I assume 24 inches of host means 24 inches of hoist left in the main. That should like a nice first reef to me. t
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Monty Pals
Was out sailing today in steady 14-16K winds topping out @ 20K was able to sail without a reef and maintain boat on her 15 deg. line. I am wondering if I am under canvassed. Can someone direct me to where I can find Main and Working Jib dimensions? I noticed that I still have about 24" of host left on the Main. My boom is sitting just below the mast gate held there by a stop. It appears that I could have the boom above the gate with stop preventing it from coming down. Where should the Boom normally ride on a M15? I have my Jib foot at the same height as the Boom is that correct?
George
Merry Helen II M15 #602
'We Can Not Control the Wind
But We Can Adjust our Sails'
George: that is much on your boat this is not 'stock' as she was not built to Jerry's spec by 'american classics'. besides the references to sail sizes others have shared check your boat's standing rigging against this - http://msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b15measure/b15measure1.gif :: Dave Scobie -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 9/28/13, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote: Date: Saturday, September 28, 2013, 5:03 PM Monty Pals Was out sailing today in steady 14-16K winds topping out @ 20K was able to sail without a reef and maintain boat on her 15 deg. line. I am wondering if I am under canvassed. Can someone direct me to where I can find Main and Working Jib dimensions? I noticed that I still have about 24" of host left on the Main. My boom is sitting just below the mast gate held there by a stop. It appears that I could have the boom above the gate with stop preventing it from coming down. Where should the Boom normally ride on a M15? I have my Jib foot at the same height as the Boom is that correct? George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails'
Dave Thanks for the feedback I checked the rigging using this information when I purchased the boat and it was the same. George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of W David Scobie Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:58 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info George: that is much on your boat this is not 'stock' as she was not built to Jerry's spec by 'american classics'. besides the references to sail sizes others have shared check your boat's standing rigging against this - http://msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b15measure/b15measure1.gif :: Dave Scobie -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 9/28/13, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote: Date: Saturday, September 28, 2013, 5:03 PM Monty Pals Was out sailing today in steady 14-16K winds topping out @ 20K was able to sail without a reef and maintain boat on her 15 deg. line. I am wondering if I am under canvassed. Can someone direct me to where I can find Main and Working Jib dimensions? I noticed that I still have about 24" of host left on the Main. My boom is sitting just below the mast gate held there by a stop. It appears that I could have the boom above the gate with stop preventing it from coming down. Where should the Boom normally ride on a M15? I have my Jib foot at the same height as the Boom is that correct? George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails'
George, I have a set of Jerry M's original drawings. He originally drew the mainsail to have a luff of 16.7 feet and foot of 7.3 feet. I just checked my dimensions. I have been making the M15 mailsails 16'10" on the luff (but using a very narrow headboard and 7'4" on the foot. That's before allowing for stretch, so they're actually about 1/2% smaller than that. Fair winds, Judy B Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com judy@judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica ________________________________ From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 4:03 PM Subject: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info Monty Pals Was out sailing today in steady 14-16K winds topping out @ 20K was able to sail without a reef and maintain boat on her 15 deg. line. I am wondering if I am under canvassed. Can someone direct me to where I can find Main and Working Jib dimensions? I noticed that I still have about 24" of host left on the Main. My boom is sitting just below the mast gate held there by a stop. It appears that I could have the boom above the gate with stop preventing it from coming down. Where should the Boom normally ride on a M15? I have my Jib foot at the same height as the Boom is that correct? George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails'
Judy Thanks for the feedback. I will be hauling the boat tomorrow so will know where I am at regarding sail area. I am suspecting I am under canvassed by 2 ' on the Luff I am loose footed and it is the same length as the boom that is at standard length. If I opt for a suit on new sails I will be in contact. George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Judith Blumhorst, DC Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 4:46 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info George, I have a set of Jerry M's original drawings. He originally drew the mainsail to have a luff of 16.7 feet and foot of 7.3 feet. I just checked my dimensions. I have been making the M15 mailsails 16'10" on the luff (but using a very narrow headboard and 7'4" on the foot. That's before allowing for stretch, so they're actually about 1/2% smaller than that. Fair winds, Judy B Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com judy@judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica ________________________________ From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 4:03 PM Subject: M_Boats: M15 Sail Info Monty Pals Was out sailing today in steady 14-16K winds topping out @ 20K was able to sail without a reef and maintain boat on her 15 deg. line. I am wondering if I am under canvassed. Can someone direct me to where I can find Main and Working Jib dimensions? I noticed that I still have about 24" of host left on the Main. My boom is sitting just below the mast gate held there by a stop. It appears that I could have the boom above the gate with stop preventing it from coming down. Where should the Boom normally ride on a M15? I have my Jib foot at the same height as the Boom is that correct? George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails'
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