Jerry, Thanks for the suggestion, which makes sense, but any shorter than 96" and I have no purchase on the main, which indeed has a longer foot. I already trimmed the boom by 3". Tom On May 24, 2012, at 4:14 PM, jerry montgomery wrote:

Tom- Can you trim a few inches off the boom? used a boom lgt of 7'9", but possibly the foot lgt of the main has been increased.

jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk@gte.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 3:32 PM Subject: M_Boats: boom vang

Hi all,

I have a 2004 Montgomery 17 with an 8' boom, which can hang on the backstay in a wild jibe. I consequently tend to run the boom 17" up the mast rather than the 28" that sends the main to the tippy-top. I would be most obliged if someone out there with a similar boat would tell be how high he/she runs the boom, and if a vang keeps the boom from kissing the backstay. It seems logical, but my logic does not always prevail. I am mounting a vang anyway, but I need to know how high to ride the boom so I can figure where to mount the bail for the vang. Thanks ever so much; I would rather be sailing than punching experimental holes in my spars.

Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla

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Larry, Jerry of course knows more about it than I do, but if you have a slotted mast (as on my 17) there are a couple of rigs that anchor in the slot. One is based on a slug with a padeye that I think would be strong enough for a 15. The other uses two stainless squares that mount in the slot, bolted to a padeye on the outside. I am trying the latter, and will know in a few days if it will work. You might find something useful for your mast type at: <https://www.apsltd.com/ > where I got my doodads. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla On May 29, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Hughston, Larry@DGS wrote:

Jerry, how do I mount the boom vang to base of the mast? I want something that will not dent the deck when lowering the mast for prepping to hit the highway. ---Larry Hughston and Old 189 M-15

-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jerry montgomery Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:14 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: boom vang

Tom- Can you trim a few inches off the boom? used a boom lgt of 7'9", but possibly the foot lgt of the main has been increased.

jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk@gte.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 3:32 PM Subject: M_Boats: boom vang

Hi all,

I have a 2004 Montgomery 17 with an 8' boom, which can hang on the backstay in a wild jibe. I consequently tend to run the boom 17" up the mast rather than the 28" that sends the main to the tippy-top. I would be most obliged if someone out there with a similar boat would tell be how high he/she runs the boom, and if a vang keeps the boom from kissing the backstay. It seems logical, but my logic does not always prevail. I am mounting a vang anyway, but I need to know how high to ride the boom so I can figure where to mount the bail for the vang. Thanks ever so much; I would rather be sailing than punching experimental holes in my spars.

Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla

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Thanks Jerry. Larry in Old 189.... -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jerry montgomery Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:24 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: boom vang You want the bail to be as low as possible. On 15's a good strap eye off the web of the mast will do; peel the sailtrack flaps back at the base for about6", then fasten a strap eye directly to the web. If you plan on sailing the Northwest Passage, you can make it stronger by getting a boom bail and bolting or pinning it directly to the aft corner of the mast step. That's what I did on my Sage; I used the same bails that I used for the mainsheet and for the boom end of the vang, but worked it over in the vise to widen it out so it would fit over the step. An advantage to using a bail on the boom is that it will swivel so that you can use it for a preventor also. I think Dave is using the same bail as I did on the Sages; I'll bet if you talked to him real nice he's send you a couple. He's buying them in quantity and gets a good price. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:14 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: boom vang Jerry, how do I mount the boom vang to base of the mast? I want something that will not dent the deck when lowering the mast for prepping to hit the highway. ---Larry Hughston and Old 189 M-15 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jerry montgomery Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:14 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: boom vang Tom- Can you trim a few inches off the boom? used a boom lgt of 7'9", but possibly the foot lgt of the main has been increased. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk@gte.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 3:32 PM Subject: M_Boats: boom vang Hi all, I have a 2004 Montgomery 17 with an 8' boom, which can hang on the backstay in a wild jibe. I consequently tend to run the boom 17" up the mast rather than the 28" that sends the main to the tippy-top. I would be most obliged if someone out there with a similar boat would tell be how high he/she runs the boom, and if a vang keeps the boom from kissing the backstay. It seems logical, but my logic does not always prevail. I am mounting a vang anyway, but I need to know how high to ride the boom so I can figure where to mount the bail for the vang. Thanks ever so much; I would rather be sailing than punching experimental holes in my spars. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 6572 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Jim, More good information. It sounds as if your boom is now only 3/4" longer than Jerry's 7'9", but that small amount might be key to avoiding trouble. If my main wears out, I too will have the new one cut shorter, because it is already a little too long for an outhaul. While fiddling with the mainsail position, I also noticed that the leech of the sail near the top rubs the backstay pretty hard on every tack, particularly if I have the boom above 19". I wonder if that much roach is necessary for adequate speed. Like you, I seem to find plenty of wind in our mountain lakes, to the extent that I often leave one reef in for days to cope with the big gusts. Tom M17 Scintilla On May 29, 2012, at 9:18 AM, James Poulakis wrote:

Tom, Spirit is hull #648. The boom extrusion without the end hardware was 8'-1/4" long. The main is stock Elliot Pattison. With the boom at 18" from the deck (per Bob Eeg's instructions), and the mast raked aft as far as the forestay turnbuckle would allow, the boom could get hung up on the backstay in heavy winds and the roach would snag up in light winds.

My solution was to cut 2-1/2 inches off the end of the boom. I would have cut it down to Jerry's recommended 7'9", but that wouldn't have been long enough for the foot/outhaul and I didn't want to get into mainsail surgery.

I haven't had the boom hang up since, but it did give the backstay a whack during a sloppy jibe. Of course altering the boom had no effect on the sail roach which still gets stuck in light winds. When the day comes for a new mainsail I plan to cut the boom down to the proper length and have the main cut to fit. No need for maximum sail area in San Francisco Bay.

Jim M17 Spirit

On May 24, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:

...

Hi all,

I have a 2004 Montgomery 17 with an 8' boom, which can hang on the backstay in a wild jibe. I consequently tend to run the boom 17" up the mast rather than the 28" that sends the main to the tippy-top. I would be most obliged if someone out there with a similar boat would tell be how high he/she runs the boom, and if a vang keeps the boom from kissing the backstay. It seems logical, but my logic does not always prevail. I am mounting a vang anyway, but I need to know how high to ride the boom so I can figure where to mount the bail for the vang. Thanks ever so much; I would rather be sailing than punching experimental holes in my spars.

Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla