Pulling an M17 with a Subaru is workable if few grades
Larry, my Outback has a 4 cylinder, not super charged, and pulls the M17 fine. IF...the grade isn't too steep and I don't have to stop quickly. A tongue weight of 200 lbs, trailer weight of 2000 lbs (if memory serves), and a hitch rating of 3000lbs are what the 2006 Outback is rated for. Again, if memory serves. Not an ideal tow vehicle. But I am trapped east of the Divide with this vehicle, though I may try for Flaming Gorge through Wyoming this summer. Or maybe up to Lake Francis Case. I am seriously landlocked here in Colorado. As usual, getting the trailer to move is far easier than getting it to stop. My Subaru already had a substantial transmission cooler, stock, but I added a bigger one. I keep the brakes maintained. Someday I'll have a trailer with brakes, and a bigger tow vehicle. For now this gets me back and forth to the water, if I am careful. I opted for the boat over a bigger vehicle for the time being. The boat is more satisfying. Message: 7 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:36:25 -0800 From: "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> Subject: Re: M_Boats: 2008 Appreciation for the group To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <5EFE2F415E9DBE4FAABCC2040AC11AB704C09F43@smf00exch103.dgsaccounts.dgs.ca.go v> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" David, I am usually pretty much a quiet reader of the blogs on this Monty site. I have old hull number 189, Montgomery 15, now pretty much restored(1981, December, built by Jerry Montgomery). I am curious about the size of your Subaru engine?. I am pulling my m15 with a 1990 Camry Wagon, 4 cylinder. No guts but when I pull the M15 boat I am VERY smooth and slow and NEVER in overdrive! I would never chance a trip up the hill to Lake Tahoe for instance. I am amazed that you can pull an M17 with your Subaru. I did have my mechanic install a transmission cooler just for a little insurance. ----Thanks, Larry Hughston, Sacramento, CA -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David C. Patterson Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:04 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: 2008 Appreciation for the group 2008 was my novice sailing season, made very satisfying through help from this group, and from the msog.org site. Thank you all. I searched for my first boat over several years and decided on a Montgomery. In March I brought home a neglected 1985 M17 galley model from Texas to Colorado behind my Subaru wagon, right at the limit of its capacity. After a long process of getting the trailer titled and licensed (jeesh!)and repairing some necessary items (the mast compression post, for example) I got Cloud Girl, as she is now named, in the water at local Chatfield Reservoir in August. I sailed her through November. After some notable clumsiness (groundings, near knockdown in a cloudburst, etc.) I had a great first season of sailing, singlehanded, even getting the spinnaker up a few times. I had sixteen trips out, eight of which were overnight, for my goal is to learn to cruise, and mostly docked without using the outboard. I guess that I am no longer a complete novice. Maybe in 2009 I will actually go somewhere on by boat. I look forward to my 60's sailing. Again, thank you all, especially Tod Mills for his sharings as a singlehander, and Bob Eeg for his generosity with time and information. The best of the season to you all. David Patterson M17 #393 Cloud Girl _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 70, Issue 35 ************************************************
I pull my M17 with a turbo Subaru Forester and have surge disk brakes on the trailer. It works very well, even crossing the Cascade mountains. But I wouldn't tow it without the trailer brakes. They were a $500 add on, I think. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' On Dec 29, 2008, at 12:22 PM, David C. Patterson wrote:
Larry, my Outback has a 4 cylinder, not super charged, and pulls the M17 fine. IF...the grade isn't too steep and I don't have to stop quickly. A tongue weight of 200 lbs, trailer weight of 2000 lbs (if memory serves), and a hitch rating of 3000lbs are what the 2006 Outback is rated for. Again, if memory serves. Not an ideal tow vehicle. But I am trapped east of the Divide with this vehicle, though I may try for Flaming Gorge through Wyoming this summer. Or maybe up to Lake Francis Case. I am seriously landlocked here in Colorado. As usual, getting the trailer to move is far easier than getting it to stop. My Subaru already had a substantial transmission cooler, stock, but I added a bigger one. I keep the brakes maintained. Someday I'll have a trailer with brakes, and a bigger tow vehicle. For now this gets me back and forth to the water, if I am careful. I opted for the boat over a bigger vehicle for the time being. The boat is more satisfying.
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:36:25 -0800 From: "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> Subject: Re: M_Boats: 2008 Appreciation for the group To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID:
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David, I am usually pretty much a quiet reader of the blogs on this Monty site. I have old hull number 189, Montgomery 15, now pretty much restored(1981, December, built by Jerry Montgomery). I am curious about the size of your Subaru engine?. I am pulling my m15 with a 1990 Camry Wagon, 4 cylinder. No guts but when I pull the M15 boat I am VERY smooth and slow and NEVER in overdrive! I would never chance a trip up the hill to Lake Tahoe for instance. I am amazed that you can pull an M17 with your Subaru. I did have my mechanic install a transmission cooler just for a little insurance.
----Thanks, Larry Hughston, Sacramento, CA
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David C. Patterson Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:04 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: 2008 Appreciation for the group
2008 was my novice sailing season, made very satisfying through help from this group, and from the msog.org site. Thank you all. I searched for my first boat over several years and decided on a Montgomery. In March I brought home a neglected 1985 M17 galley model from Texas to Colorado behind my Subaru wagon, right at the limit of its capacity. After a long process of getting the trailer titled and licensed (jeesh!)and repairing some necessary items (the mast compression post, for example) I got Cloud Girl, as she is now named, in the water at local Chatfield Reservoir in August. I sailed her through November. After some notable clumsiness (groundings, near knockdown in a cloudburst, etc.) I had a great first season of sailing, singlehanded, even getting the spinnaker up a few times. I had sixteen trips out, eight of which were overnight, for my goal is to learn to cruise, and mostly docked without using the outboard. I guess that I am no longer a complete novice. Maybe in 2009 I will actually go somewhere on by boat. I look forward to my 60's sailing. Again, thank you all, especially Tod Mills for his sharings as a singlehander, and Bob Eeg for his generosity with time and information. The best of the season to you all.
David Patterson M17 #393 Cloud Girl
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