In a message dated 11/5/2004 8:38:41 AM Central Standard Time, farreach@optonline.net writes: For my use a bucket, a beer bottle, the rail or even the cockpit scupper works fine. I think direct animal discharge is still legal. Be careful if you use the rail. I read somewhere that most sailors who drown after falling off their boats have been found with their fly down. I heard that it was far more prevalent among fisherman, and that typically alcohol was involved.... Steve Tyree