I use a Jetboil. It works for all cooking but u have to watch the high flame Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 9, 2024, at 05:20, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net> wrote:

Previous owner (John Harris, Chesapeake Light Craft) made the attached for "Chimpanzee". Burner and direct-connect 1 lb. propane bottle lift up. Never used it myself, but it's neat. Only wish it had been sized/shaped so it could be stored inverted in the under-bunk access as well as sitting upright in it.

John Tyner

M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"

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On 1/9/2024 2:59 AM, Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats wrote: That’s the only stove I’ve ever used, never worried about a gimbal. I have the canister tripod, it’s more than stable enough. If it’s so rough you need a gimbal you’re probably worried about other things than cooking. www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

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On Jan 8, 2024, at 10:47 PM, Jim Sadler<jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:

Any of you skippers/back packers using your backpack stove on M15. Gimbaled?

Capt Jim

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Roger that Rusty I hate having propane on a boat mainly because it is heaver than air. I would rather have a kerosene, alcohol or natural gas stove if I could find one. Thanks so much for your great advice.. Capt Jim -----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 11:17 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Rusty Knorr <rustyinafrica@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 and Jet Boil The one thing I absolutely do is store my Jetboil and fuel in an airtight plastic container. Do NOT let the possibility in the rare event of a leaky canister or fuel tank letting gas collect in the bilge causing an explosion. Storing any fuel in the cabin is a seriously bad idea, but storing it outside of an airtight container in the cabin is simply stupid. www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

On Jan 9, 2024, at 6:11 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:

I use a Jetboil. It works for all cooking but u have to watch the high flame

Sent from my iPhone

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On Jan 9, 2024, at 05:20, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net> wrote:

Previous owner (John Harris, Chesapeake Light Craft) made the attached for "Chimpanzee". Burner and direct-connect 1 lb. propane bottle lift up. Never used it myself, but it's neat. Only wish it had been sized/shaped so it could be stored inverted in the under-bunk access as well as sitting upright in it.

John Tyner

M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"

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On 1/9/2024 2:59 AM, Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats wrote: That’s the only stove I’ve ever used, never worried about a gimbal. I have the canister tripod, it’s more than stable enough. If it’s so rough you need a gimbal you’re probably worried about other things than cooking. www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

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On Jan 8, 2024, at 10:47 PM, Jim Sadler<jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:

Any of you skippers/back packers using your backpack stove on M15. Gimbaled?

Capt Jim

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I had a terrifying experience with a Trangia “Storm Cooker” and I will NEVER use one again. I was camping in windy conditions (exactly what the set was designed for) and after following the directions to the letter (with regards to setup, I actually had the instruction sheet with me)…the cooker MELTED, almost causing a forest fire! Molten aluminum dripping down onto the dry central WA ground. Fortunately I was able to put the inferno out, but I contacted Trangia directly and told them in no uncertain terms they were refunding my money and taking their garbage back, which they very quickly and quietly did. I’ve been relating the story ever since, and have seen other examples of the same thing from other users. “Storm Cooker”…what a joke! I do use a Toaks ti alcohol stove when I need an ultralight kit for bikepacking, but grudgingly. I find alcohol extremely dangerous (toxic/burns invisibly), inefficient (takes 5 times longer to boil water than my Jetboil), environmentally questionable, and a poor choice in most situations. There are very good reasons why it’s banned as a fuel source in many national parks! Alcohol stoves have a romantic appeal I just don’t understand when there are so many better options available. 🤷‍♂️ www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

On Jan 9, 2024, at 1:10 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:

I use a Trangia alcohol burner camp stove. Small, light, inexpensive, durable, no moving parts to clog clean or jam, quiet, fuel available at any hardware or building supply store, no risk storing fuel inboard/inside.

The basic alcohol burner can be used with a variety of bases and windscreens and pot sets, Trangia makes windscreen/pot kits and there's third party stuff too, from ultra-light to heavy-duty. I have a couple different setups depending on use - car or sailboat camping vs. backpacking or kayak camping for example.

Only cooked aboard in calm-water conditions to date. In the cockpit where there's plenty of space, but would be safe to use inside as well. Haven't thought about how to gimbal any of my alcohol stove setups but it wouldn't be that different from gimbaling any other small camp stove. Or as with larger boats, the stove isn't gimbaled but there are means to secure the pot from sliding around.

Trangia brand from Sweden is the 'original' and still one of the best alcohol burners, there are various direct imitations and some alternative designs, a few aimed at ultralight backpackers and made from titanium no less.

There's marine alcohol stoves of course but most are too big for our boats and also in the $$$$ price range.

cheers, John

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On 1/9/24 11:40, Jim Sadler wrote: Roger that Rusty I hate having propane on a boat mainly because it is heaver than air. I would rather have a kerosene, alcohol or natural gas stove if I could find one. Thanks so much for your great advice.. Capt Jim -----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 11:17 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Rusty Knorr <rustyinafrica@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 and Jet Boil The one thing I absolutely do is store my Jetboil and fuel in an airtight plastic container. Do NOT let the possibility in the rare event of a leaky canister or fuel tank letting gas collect in the bilge causing an explosion. Storing any fuel in the cabin is a seriously bad idea, but storing it outside of an airtight container in the cabin is simply stupid. www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

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On Jan 9, 2024, at 6:11 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:

I use a Jetboil. It works for all cooking but u have to watch the high flame

Sent from my iPhone

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On Jan 9, 2024, at 05:20, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net> wrote:

Previous owner (John Harris, Chesapeake Light Craft) made the attached for "Chimpanzee". Burner and direct-connect 1 lb. propane bottle lift up. Never used it myself, but it's neat. Only wish it had been sized/shaped so it could be stored inverted in the under-bunk access as well as sitting upright in it.

John Tyner

M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"

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On 1/9/2024 2:59 AM, Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats wrote: That’s the only stove I’ve ever used, never worried about a gimbal. I have the canister tripod, it’s more than stable enough. If it’s so rough you need a gimbal you’re probably worried about other things than cooking. www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

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> On Jan 8, 2024, at 10:47 PM, Jim Sadler<jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:

Any of you skippers/back packers using your backpack stove on M15. Gimbaled?

Capt Jim

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-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

You're welcome, and, see Rusty's opinion, rather different. I figure don't put jet fuel in the alcohol burner and it will be safer (just kidding Rusty :-). But a broader point applying to all of us would be, any stove is unsafe when used unsafely (and stove fuel unsafe if stored unsafely). Like propane on a boat without a bilge blower, any stove at all inside a tent, and so on. And pilot error is the vast majority of causes, so it's on us to be careful, whatever our pyromaniac choices are. cheers, John On 1/9/24 15:18, Jim Sadler wrote:

Thanks John

-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 1:09 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 and Jet Boil

I use a Trangia alcohol burner camp stove. Small, light, inexpensive, durable, no moving parts to clog clean or jam, quiet, fuel available at any hardware or building supply store, no risk storing fuel inboard/inside.

The basic alcohol burner can be used with a variety of bases and windscreens and pot sets, Trangia makes windscreen/pot kits and there's third party stuff too, from ultra-light to heavy-duty. I have a couple different setups depending on use - car or sailboat camping vs. backpacking or kayak camping for example.

Only cooked aboard in calm-water conditions to date. In the cockpit where there's plenty of space, but would be safe to use inside as well. Haven't thought about how to gimbal any of my alcohol stove setups but it wouldn't be that different from gimbaling any other small camp stove. Or as with larger boats, the stove isn't gimbaled but there are means to secure the pot from sliding around.

Trangia brand from Sweden is the 'original' and still one of the best alcohol burners, there are various direct imitations and some alternative designs, a few aimed at ultralight backpackers and made from titanium no less.

There's marine alcohol stoves of course but most are too big for our boats and also in the $$$$ price range.

cheers, John

On 1/9/24 11:40, Jim Sadler wrote:

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Roger that Rusty

I hate having propane on a boat mainly because it is heaver than air. I would rather have a kerosene, alcohol or natural gas stove if I could find one. Thanks so much for your great advice..

Capt Jim

-----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 11:17 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Rusty Knorr <rustyinafrica@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 and Jet Boil

The one thing I absolutely do is store my Jetboil and fuel in an airtight plastic container. Do NOT let the possibility in the rare event of a leaky canister or fuel tank letting gas collect in the bilge causing an explosion. Storing any fuel in the cabin is a seriously bad idea, but storing it outside of an airtight container in the cabin is simply stupid. www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

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On Jan 9, 2024, at 6:11 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:

I use a Jetboil. It works for all cooking but u have to watch the high flame

Sent from my iPhone

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On Jan 9, 2024, at 05:20, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net> wrote:

Previous owner (John Harris, Chesapeake Light Craft) made the attached for "Chimpanzee". Burner and direct-connect 1 lb. propane bottle lift up. Never used it myself, but it's neat. Only wish it had been sized/shaped so it could be stored inverted in the under-bunk access as well as sitting upright in it.

John Tyner

M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"

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On 1/9/2024 2:59 AM, Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats wrote: That’s the only stove I’ve ever used, never worried about a gimbal. I have the canister tripod, it’s more than stable enough. If it’s so rough you need a gimbal you’re probably worried about other things than cooking. www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

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> On Jan 8, 2024, at 10:47 PM, Jim Sadler<jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:

Any of you skippers/back packers using your backpack stove on M15. Gimbaled?

Capt Jim

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> <M-15 #412 Galley In Place 2.JPG>

-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

Indeed it does...I went to Burning Man years ago and saw the proof of that! A majority of the installations and pavillions and art cars etc. use propane for their flames, but there was one that year that blew away even the burning of the Man, and involved several thousand gallons of jet fuel. Interestingly the 'yacht-size' marine alcohol stoves are effectively what Rusty describes below, more or less - an alcohol stove burner in a big safe metal pan. And of course holds a lot more alcohol in the burner tank, so needs refilling much less often. It terms of humans breathing, it is a safer fuel to use in poorly ventilated spaces than petrol, propane/butane, kerosene, etc. Like when the weather wants all the hatches closed and the crew wants a hot meal. Also, in the USA alcohol is not specifically sold as stove fuel because alcohol stoves are so uncommon. But in Scandinavia for example where it's more commonly used as stove fuel, it's sold for that purpose with a coloring agent in it, so it won't be mistaken for water (or aquavit, etc.). Usually red-tinted (red = danger!). Kind of like how propane is dangerous to breathe and flammable but odorless, so they use a stinky additive for safety. cheers, John On 1/9/24 15:50, Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats wrote:

But jet fuel burns so well, John! 😂

Another suggestion is I always use a steel lasagna style pan under my stove with a towel under it to catch any spilled alcohol (when using one of those options). Unless using the Trangia bottle to store and dispense alcohol (highly recommended and worth every penny), you WILL spill it when filling the stove. And alcohol being invisible when it burns, you wouldn’t even know you had an uncontrolled fire when lighting until too late. At least spills are contained in the non flammable pan until they burn back to only the stove…

Still, too dangerous on a boat in my opinion. And back to the OP…stick with the Jetboil! At least for boiling water. If you’re actually cooking those wide and flat canister stoves from the hardware store with proper cooktops are probably the best option. A Jetboil with a pot support and diffusion plate has worked for any meal I’ve ever wanted to cook aboard, and the majority of the time I’m just doing backpacker meals and only needing boiling water. But then again, I have a lifetime employee discount at REI so they’re affordable for me! 😇

Decide what you actually are going to cook, look at all the pros and cons of each system, and make your choice. Then make whatever improvements you can to make the system as safe and effective as possible.

Fun discussion!

www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

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On Jan 9, 2024, at 3:26 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:

You're welcome, and, see Rusty's opinion, rather different.

I figure don't put jet fuel in the alcohol burner and it will be safer (just kidding Rusty :-).

But a broader point applying to all of us would be, any stove is unsafe when used unsafely (and stove fuel unsafe if stored unsafely). Like propane on a boat without a bilge blower, any stove at all inside a tent, and so on.

And pilot error is the vast majority of causes, so it's on us to be careful, whatever our pyromaniac choices are.

cheers, John

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On 1/9/24 15:18, Jim Sadler wrote: Thanks John -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 1:09 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 and Jet Boil I use a Trangia alcohol burner camp stove. Small, light, inexpensive, durable, no moving parts to clog clean or jam, quiet, fuel available at any hardware or building supply store, no risk storing fuel inboard/inside. The basic alcohol burner can be used with a variety of bases and windscreens and pot sets, Trangia makes windscreen/pot kits and there's third party stuff too, from ultra-light to heavy-duty. I have a couple different setups depending on use - car or sailboat camping vs. backpacking or kayak camping for example. Only cooked aboard in calm-water conditions to date. In the cockpit where there's plenty of space, but would be safe to use inside as well. Haven't thought about how to gimbal any of my alcohol stove setups but it wouldn't be that different from gimbaling any other small camp stove. Or as with larger boats, the stove isn't gimbaled but there are means to secure the pot from sliding around. Trangia brand from Sweden is the 'original' and still one of the best alcohol burners, there are various direct imitations and some alternative designs, a few aimed at ultralight backpackers and made from titanium no less. There's marine alcohol stoves of course but most are too big for our boats and also in the $$$$ price range. cheers, John

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On 1/9/24 11:40, Jim Sadler wrote: Roger that Rusty

I hate having propane on a boat mainly because it is heaver than air. I would rather have a kerosene, alcohol or natural gas stove if I could find one. Thanks so much for your great advice..

Capt Jim

-----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 11:17 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Rusty Knorr <rustyinafrica@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 and Jet Boil

The one thing I absolutely do is store my Jetboil and fuel in an airtight plastic container. Do NOT let the possibility in the rare event of a leaky canister or fuel tank letting gas collect in the bilge causing an explosion. Storing any fuel in the cabin is a seriously bad idea, but storing it outside of an airtight container in the cabin is simply stupid. www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

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On Jan 9, 2024, at 6:11 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:

I use a Jetboil. It works for all cooking but u have to watch the high flame

Sent from my iPhone

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On Jan 9, 2024, at 05:20, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net> wrote:

Previous owner (John Harris, Chesapeake Light Craft) made the attached for "Chimpanzee". Burner and direct-connect 1 lb. propane bottle lift up. Never used it myself, but it's neat. Only wish it had been sized/shaped so it could be stored inverted in the under-bunk access as well as sitting upright in it.

John Tyner

M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"

>> On 1/9/2024 2:59 AM, Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats wrote: > That’s the only stove I’ve ever used, never worried about a gimbal. I have the canister tripod, it’s more than stable enough. If it’s so rough you need a gimbal you’re probably worried about other things than cooking. > www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > >>> On Jan 8, 2024, at 10:47 PM, Jim Sadler<jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote: >> >> Any of you skippers/back packers using your backpack stove on M15. Gimbaled? >> >> Capt Jim >> >> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> <M-15 #412 Galley In Place 2.JPG> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design

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-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

John, Yes, there are typically three types of alcohol readily available in retail shops. What you are referring to in this post is isopropyl alcohol which is generally used for medicinal purposes, which kind of explains its availability in a drug store, It does not work well in alcohol stoves. The second type is ethanol which is usually labeled as denatured alcohol. This is usually found in the paint section at most hardware stores. This is the stuff you want. Be careful when buying anything labeled "thinner", there's a good chance that is mineral spirits, a cousin to kerosene (ha ha like that jet fuel you referred to earlier), and is not alcohol. You want denatured alcohol. The third type is Methanol. This is used as racing fuel and the antifreeze agent in windshield washer fluid and probably a whole lot of things I don't know about. This actually works quite well in an alcohol burner, but the smell is a bit more unpleasant. You can buy this in small quantities in truck stops usually labeled as air brake antifreeze or in gas stations usually labeled as gas line antifreeze (Heet). Note: on these read the label, make sure it says METHANOL some of these are made with isopropyl alcohol and will not work very well though they will still burn. Best regards, Rik “It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.” - Thomas Sowell Sent with Proton Mail secure email. On Tuesday, January 9th, 2024 at 7:11 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:

PS - for anyone wanting to try these, use only 100% denatured alcohol suitable for stove fuel, commonly sold as thinner, cleaner, solvent, etc. Hardware store, building/paint supply, etc.

Some sources will not be suitable. If you buy "alcohol" in a drugstore, for example, it will often be only 70% alcohol or less, and will burn poorly and sooty and with much less heat.

A friend of mine took one to Mexico camping and didn't realize this - he bought some "alcohol" in a drugstore and then complained to me about the stove. When he got back he showed me the bottle, and that was the problem. Pilot error...exacerbated by the label being all in Spanish which he spoke only a few words of.

cheers, John

On 1/9/24 16:57, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats wrote:

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Indeed it does...I went to Burning Man years ago and saw the proof of that! A majority of the installations and pavillions and art cars etc. use propane for their flames, but there was one that year that blew away even the burning of the Man, and involved several thousand gallons of jet fuel.

Interestingly the 'yacht-size' marine alcohol stoves are effectively what Rusty describes below, more or less - an alcohol stove burner in a big safe metal pan. And of course holds a lot more alcohol in the burner tank, so needs refilling much less often.

It terms of humans breathing, it is a safer fuel to use in poorly ventilated spaces than petrol, propane/butane, kerosene, etc. Like when the weather wants all the hatches closed and the crew wants a hot meal.

Also, in the USA alcohol is not specifically sold as stove fuel because alcohol stoves are so uncommon.

But in Scandinavia for example where it's more commonly used as stove fuel, it's sold for that purpose with a coloring agent in it, so it won't be mistaken for water (or aquavit, etc.). Usually red-tinted (red = danger!). Kind of like how propane is dangerous to breathe and flammable but odorless, so they use a stinky additive for safety.

cheers, John

On 1/9/24 15:50, Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats wrote:

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But jet fuel burns so well, John! 😂

Another suggestion is I always use a steel lasagna style pan under my stove with a towel under it to catch any spilled alcohol (when using one of those options). Unless using the Trangia bottle to store and dispense alcohol (highly recommended and worth every penny), you WILL spill it when filling the stove. And alcohol being invisible when it burns, you wouldn’t even know you had an uncontrolled fire when lighting until too late. At least spills are contained in the non flammable pan until they burn back to only the stove…

Still, too dangerous on a boat in my opinion. And back to the OP…stick with the Jetboil! At least for boiling water. If you’re actually cooking those wide and flat canister stoves from the hardware store with proper cooktops are probably the best option. A Jetboil with a pot support and diffusion plate has worked for any meal I’ve ever wanted to cook aboard, and the majority of the time I’m just doing backpacker meals and only needing boiling water. But then again, I have a lifetime employee discount at REI so they’re affordable for me! 😇

Decide what you actually are going to cook, look at all the pros and cons of each system, and make your choice. Then make whatever improvements you can to make the system as safe and effective as possible.

Fun discussion!

www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

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On Jan 9, 2024, at 3:26 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com wrote:

You're welcome, and, see Rusty's opinion, rather different.

I figure don't put jet fuel in the alcohol burner and it will be safer (just kidding Rusty :-).

But a broader point applying to all of us would be, any stove is unsafe when used unsafely (and stove fuel unsafe if stored unsafely). Like propane on a boat without a bilge blower, any stove at all inside a tent, and so on.

And pilot error is the vast majority of causes, so it's on us to be careful, whatever our pyromaniac choices are.

cheers, John

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On 1/9/24 15:18, Jim Sadler wrote: Thanks John -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 1:09 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc: John Schinnerer john@eco-living.net Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 and Jet Boil I use a Trangia alcohol burner camp stove. Small, light, inexpensive, durable, no moving parts to clog clean or jam, quiet, fuel available at any hardware or building supply store, no risk storing fuel inboard/inside. The basic alcohol burner can be used with a variety of bases and windscreens and pot sets, Trangia makes windscreen/pot kits and there's third party stuff too, from ultra-light to heavy-duty. I have a couple different setups depending on use - car or sailboat camping vs. backpacking or kayak camping for example. Only cooked aboard in calm-water conditions to date. In the cockpit where there's plenty of space, but would be safe to use inside as well. Haven't thought about how to gimbal any of my alcohol stove setups but it wouldn't be that different from gimbaling any other small camp stove. Or as with larger boats, the stove isn't gimbaled but there are means to secure the pot from sliding around. Trangia brand from Sweden is the 'original' and still one of the best alcohol burners, there are various direct imitations and some alternative designs, a few aimed at ultralight backpackers and made from titanium no less. There's marine alcohol stoves of course but most are too big for our boats and also in the $$$$ price range. cheers, John

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On 1/9/24 11:40, Jim Sadler wrote: Roger that Rusty

I hate having propane on a boat mainly because it is heaver than air. I would rather have a kerosene, alcohol or natural gas stove if I could find one. Thanks so much for your great advice..

Capt Jim

-----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 11:17 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc: Rusty Knorr rustyinafrica@yahoo.com Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 and Jet Boil

The one thing I absolutely do is store my Jetboil and fuel in an airtight plastic container. Do NOT let the possibility in the rare event of a leaky canister or fuel tank letting gas collect in the bilge causing an explosion. Storing any fuel in the cabin is a seriously bad idea, but storing it outside of an airtight container in the cabin is simply stupid. www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

> On Jan 9, 2024, at 6:11 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com wrote: > > I use a Jetboil. It works for all cooking but u have to watch the > high flame > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 9, 2024, at 05:20, John Tyner tynerjr@md.metrocast.net > > wrote: > > > > Previous owner (John Harris, Chesapeake Light Craft) made the > > attached for "Chimpanzee". Burner and direct-connect 1 lb. > > propane bottle lift up. Never used it myself, but it's neat. Only > > wish it had been sized/shaped so it could be stored inverted in > > the under-bunk access as well as sitting upright in it. > > > > John Tyner > > > > M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee" > > > > > > On 1/9/2024 2:59 AM, Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats wrote: > > > > That’s the only stove I’ve ever used, never worried about a > > > > gimbal. I have the canister tripod, it’s more than stable > > > > enough. If it’s so rough you need a gimbal you’re probably > > > > worried about other things than cooking. > > > > www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > > > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2024, at 10:47 PM, Jim > > > > > Sadlerjimsadler@jascopacific.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Any of you skippers/back packers using your backpack stove on > > > > M15. Gimbaled? > > > > > > > > Capt Jim > > > > > > > > Get Outlook for iOShttps://aka.ms/o0ukef > > > > <M-15 #412 Galley In Place 2.JPG> > > > > -- > > > > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > - Eco-Living - > > > > Whole Systems Design Services > > > > People - Place - Learning - Integration > > > > john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > > > > http://eco-living.net > > > > http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Thanks skipper Where did you get it? Capt Jim Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 5:44:43 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 and Jet Boil Jim: Used a butane camping stove as shown in the attached photo. Preferred as it has a wide base and very stable. Cook in the cockpit. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Mon, Jan 8, 2024, 22:47 Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:

Any of you skippers/back packers using your backpack stove on M15. Gimbaled?

Capt Jim

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Use the same type ‘caterer stove’ on a folding steps tool in the cockpit. On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 6:45 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:

Jim:

Used a butane camping stove as shown in the attached photo.

Preferred as it has a wide base and very stable. Cook in the cockpit.

:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com

On Mon, Jan 8, 2024, 22:47 Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:

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Any of you skippers/back packers using your backpack stove on M15. Gimbaled?

Capt Jim

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