Scott, I can't thank you enough for your in depth reply to my questions about self steering and solar panels. I'm quite sure I would not have been able to figure all that out and get it right. The way it looks with the M15 there is no practical way to use an auto pilot for 5 to 8 hours a day and keep the batteries charged. Fair winds Bud --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'