Greetings, We previously used this email site to obtain information on the M17. We received many responses which were very helpful. Since then, we have decided to research the M15. Since we are currently located in northeastern Alabama, it's a long way to California to visit with Bog Eeg and view one of his boats. To this end, if there are any M15 owners' in our area, or within 100 miles of us, we'd love to see your boat. We'd also appreciate any comments/advice concerning the M15. We are retiring this year at 62, and hopefully relocating to either Summerville SC or New Bern NC this summer. I'm 6'1" 230 lbs, my wife is 5'4" 135 lbs. We plan to cruise as much as possible along the ICW for as many days as possible(not more than 3 nights on the hook) before seeking a marina to refresh, and then off we go. We also plan to trailer to other locations to do the same. We feel we can use the boat like a camper and sleep in it at campsites as we travel across country(why not?). Early thanks for any responses...sincerely, John and Joy
john and joy: i would love to show you SCRED ... but she is in seattle. i have many observations about the 'camping' abilities of the M15. one must really view her, when looking at the cabin, as a very large fiberglass tent. added bonus is she can store much more items than one really should carry. the lack of a compression post in the M15 makes the v-berth nicer for two than the M17. you have no sitting headroom on an M15. i am 5'11" at about 225lbs. the M15 really sails well with two people acting as movable ballast. see my M15's site for details - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED --- On Mon, 3/16/09, John Merrell <mayrel@hughes.net> wrote: Greetings, We previously used this email site to obtain information on the M17. We received many responses which were very helpful. Since then, we have decided to research the M15. Since we are currently located in northeastern Alabama, it's a long way to California to visit with Bog Eeg and view one of his boats. To this end, if there are any M15 owners' in our area, or within 100 miles of us, we'd love to see your boat. We'd also appreciate any comments/advice concerning the M15. We are retiring this year at 62, and hopefully relocating to either Summerville SC or New Bern NC this summer. I'm 6'1" 230 lbs, my wife is 5'4" 135 lbs. We plan to cruise as much as possible along the ICW for as many days as possible(not more than 3 nights on the hook) before seeking a marina to refresh, and then off we go. We also plan to trailer to other locations to do the same. We feel we can use the boat like a camper and sleep in it at campsites as we travel across country(why not?). Early thanks for any responses...sincerely, John and Joy
Thank you. Nice site with lots of information....Thanks Dave. ---Larry M-15 Hull #189 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of W David Scobie Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:40 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 john and joy: i would love to show you SCRED ... but she is in seattle. i have many observations about the 'camping' abilities of the M15. one must really view her, when looking at the cabin, as a very large fiberglass tent. added bonus is she can store much more items than one really should carry. the lack of a compression post in the M15 makes the v-berth nicer for two than the M17. you have no sitting headroom on an M15. i am 5'11" at about 225lbs. the M15 really sails well with two people acting as movable ballast. see my M15's site for details - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED --- On Mon, 3/16/09, John Merrell <mayrel@hughes.net> wrote: Greetings, We previously used this email site to obtain information on the M17. We received many responses which were very helpful. Since then, we have decided to research the M15. Since we are currently located in northeastern Alabama, it's a long way to California to visit with Bog Eeg and view one of his boats. To this end, if there are any M15 owners' in our area, or within 100 miles of us, we'd love to see your boat. We'd also appreciate any comments/advice concerning the M15. We are retiring this year at 62, and hopefully relocating to either Summerville SC or New Bern NC this summer. I'm 6'1" 230 lbs, my wife is 5'4" 135 lbs. We plan to cruise as much as possible along the ICW for as many days as possible(not more than 3 nights on the hook) before seeking a marina to refresh, and then off we go. We also plan to trailer to other locations to do the same. We feel we can use the boat like a camper and sleep in it at campsites as we travel across country(why not?). Early thanks for any responses...sincerely, John and Joy _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
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Greetings, We previously used this email site to obtain information on the M17. We received many responses which were very helpful. Since then, we have decided to research the M15. Since we are currently located in northeastern Alabama, it's a long way to California to visit with Bog Eeg and view one of his boats. To this end, if there are any M15 owners' in our area, or within 100 miles of us, we'd love to see your boat. We'd also appreciate any comments/advice concerning the M15. We are retiring this year at 62, and hopefully relocating to either Summerville SC or New Bern NC this summer. I'm 6'1" 230 lbs, my wife is 5'4" 135 lbs. We plan to cruise as much as possible along the ICW for as many days as possible(not more than 3 nights on the hook) before seeking a marina to refresh, and then off we go. We also plan to trailer to other locations to do the same. We feel we can use the boat like a camper and sleep in it at campsites as we travel across country(why not?). Early thanks for any responses...sincerely, John and Joy _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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I like the idea of a "Boater-Home". Did you use the porta potty at all during that time? Did you feel safe and comfortable? What is your tow vehicle? I have an old 1981 M-15 with very few "water knots" on it. I am based in Sacramento. Where do you sail? Fair winds..... L. Hughston. Hull # 189. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill "C" Day Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:16 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: (no subject) x-authenticated : Sender SMTP authenticated by smtp.gotrain.org X-XM-SPF: eid=;;;mid=;;;hst=mx01.mta.xmission.com;;;ip=207.160.203.25;;;frm=bill@g otrain.org;;;spf=none X-XM-DomainKey: sender_domain=gotrain.org;;;sender=bill@gotrain.org;;;status=no signature X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 207.160.203.25 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: bill@gotrain.org X-Spam-DCC: XMission; sa02 1397; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on sa02.xmission.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK_NEGATIVE, MISSING_HB_SEP,T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG,XM_OfRef3 autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Combo: ;For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> X-Spam-Relay-Country: US US X-Spam-Report: * 2.5 MISSING_HB_SEP Missing blank line between message header and body * 0.0 T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG BODY: T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG * -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0043] * -0.0 DCC_CHECK_NEGATIVE Not listed in DCC * [sa02 1397; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1] * 0.0 XM_OfRef3 Contains 3 or more suspicious of references Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Thu, 07 Dec 2006 04:40:56 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mx01.mta.xmission.com) John, Sounds like a good plan. I've used my M-15 as a "Boaterhome" at campgrounds and Flying "J", Wal-mart, and other parking lots. In fact, I picked my boat up from the factory and pulled it home, to northern California, at the time, and slept in it at a rest area that very first night. It seemed like a good idea except that I was almost gassed by the fresh fiberglass fumes. I hope you get to see a M-15 in person. It'll be love at first sight. Bill & Gigi Day M-15 "Gee Whiz!" John Merrell wrote:
Greetings, We previously used this email site to obtain information on the M17. We received many responses which were very helpful. Since then, we have decided to research the M15. Since we are currently located in northeastern Alabama, it's a long way to California to visit with Bog Eeg and view one of his boats. To this end, if there are any M15 owners' in our area, or within 100 miles of us, we'd love to see your boat. We'd also appreciate any comments/advice concerning the M15. We are retiring this year at 62, and hopefully relocating to either Summerville SC or New Bern NC this summer. I'm 6'1" 230 lbs, my wife is 5'4" 135 lbs. We plan to cruise as much as possible along the ICW for as many days as possible(not more than 3 nights on the hook) before seeking a marina to refresh, and then off we go. We also plan to trailer to other locations to do the same. We feel we can use the boat like a camper and sleep in it at campsites as we travel across country(why not?). Early thanks for any responses...sincerely, John and Joy _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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When I'm sleeping on the boat by myself, I can leave the porta-potti in its well, but when I need to use it, I have to remove the cushion and wood panel cover, which takes the center part of the bed apart. That effectively eliminates making up the whole bed with sheets and blankets, like you normally would. You can use a sleeping bag, or only make up half of the bed, and sleep all the way to one side of the V berth, which makes it easier to get at the porta-potti with the least effort. Then, because of the low head room, (trying not to get too graphic here), you need to either sit or kneel, which also avoids aiming and splashing problems. When my wife is along, we put the porta-potti in the cockpit, and install another panel and cushion I made, into the hole between the porta-potti well and the hatch opening. This effectively turns the whole cabin into a bed. A quite roomy bed too, I might add. I'm 6'4", 210 lbs, and my wife is 5' and shhh! 110 lbs (whispered), so the extra room is appreciated, and also allows me to leave the boom in the cabin with us, if necessary. Privacy is only achieved by parking in an isolated area, using the facility under cover of darkness, rigging a privacy curtain, or in one desperate case, wrapped in a blanket. There probably are other methods, if you stretch your imagination, but it IS possible, just maybe not like downtown. When sleeping on the boat, I've always felt safe and comfortable. If on the hook, I just take the normal anchoring precautions, to preclude the usual risks involved in anchoring. If parking in a Wal-mart, or other parking lot, I alway ask permission, and park where I'm advised to park. In every case, they're intrigued at the idea of someone sleeping in a boat in their parking lot, so they always take a personal interest in your safety and comfort. For example, when I stopped one time during a tornado warning, the Wal-mart manager suggested that I park next to the building in the loading dock area, and then had a security person go out and actually point out the most protected place to park. As soon as I closed the hatch, it was like someone turned a fire hose on my boat, but I stayed dry and cozy inside. I didn't get much sleep because of the storm, but I was safe and secure. To make sleeping on the boat more comfortable, I've made several replacement hatches. One is solid plywood with several, large, rectangular holes cut in it. These holes are covered with screens and louvered plates. This allows air circulation, but keeps rain and bugs out. Another hatch is just a sturdy frame with a large opening covered with mosquito netting. This is for hot, buggy nights with no rain expected. I working on another one with a 12 volt intake fan in one opening, with another, larger opening at the top for exhausting the stale air. It's easy to trace your hatch boards onto the right thickness of plywood to make the various replacement hatch covers. Once you figure out what you need, it's easy to make the proper replacement for your comfort in different conditions. I tow the boat with a Toyota Tacoma four cylinder. It drops my miles per gallon, most probably due to a combination of weight and wind resistance. I sometimes pull an extremely light fiberglass travel trailer, and it also drops my mileage, and that has to be almost entirely due to wind resistance, so I think the boat is not too bad to tow. I've towed it cross country several times, and sleeping in the boat to save on motel bills more than offsets the mileage drop. The only comfort I miss is the shower, and I make up for that by buying camping wet wipes in the camping area at Wal-mart. Also, you can find lemon scented large wet wipes, that also work well, in the pharmacy area of Wal-mart. As you can probably tell, my motto is, "If Wal-mart doesn't have it, I don't need it". If you're on the road for several days, you can also stop at Flying "J", and for $11, you and your wife can take a nice shower, and be good for another couple of days. When I lived in Vallejo, in the San Francisco bay area of California, I used to sail in the bay a lot. Several good trips were: 1. Sailing from Richmond to Angel Island. Sleep tied to a mooring, and sail back the next day. 2. Sailing from Alameda to San Francisco to a marina just south of the bay bridge. Have lunch, and sail back. 3. Sail from Alameda to San Leandro and back, in one day. 4. Any blessing of the fleet event on opening day on the bay. We also used to sail in the delta a lot. Our favorite launch point was Tower Park marina. You back your trailer onto an elevator, and disconnect. The elevator lowers your entire boat and trailer into the water. The boat floats off, and your trailer is raised back up, where you reconnect and park it. There are lots of nice sailing destinations available from there. To spend the night on the hook, you drop a stern anchor about 50 feet from shore, nose up to a levy bank and tie up to a tree. If you have a dinghy, you can row around and visit with other anchorees. This often leads to a nice pot luck dinner, or at least some shared drinks. That puts the "R" in dink. Another one of our favorite sailing trips was to rent a floating campsite at Lake Oroville. Get several couples to go together to rent the floating campsite. You can either sleep on your boat, or set up a tent on the roof of the floating campsite and sleep there. See http://www.orovilleareachamber.net/lakeoroville/floating_campsites.html for pictures and more details. It makes a great several day trip. Now that I'm living in Southern California, I sail in Lake Isabella, or in the ocean around Channel Islands, or Ventura. I was also planning to join the Lake Havasu group in February, but my wife was involved in a horrendous auto accident (hit head on by an armored truck) and has been hospitalized from the day before Thanksgiving until this last Friday, when she finally got to come home. When she recovers enough to walk again, she wants to get back out on the boat, and hopefully meet some more Monty owners. I hope you have as much fun in your Monty, ashore, as well as on the water, as we've had on ours. It's a pretty versatile little boat. Lots of fun packed into a small package. Bill & Gigi Day M-15 #363 "Gee Whiz!" . Hughston, Larry wrote:
I like the idea of a "Boater-Home". Did you use the porta potty at all during that time? Did you feel safe and comfortable? What is your tow vehicle? I have an old 1981 M-15 with very few "water knots" on it. I am based in Sacramento. Where do you sail?
Fair winds..... L. Hughston. Hull # 189.
Thanks for the note Bill. The auto accident could have easily been much worse, glad she is recovering, give it lots of time. Sounds like you and I are glad to have chanced onto the best little lap strake on the planet, I just don't get out enough.....too many self schedules projects.....just one more, just one more. Thanks for the great ideas on the hatches. I can do that. I'm handy but slow. I like to watch the Epiphanies varnish dry. Hull #189 (Bless you Jerry M). ---Larry in Sacramento -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill "C" Day Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:24 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: (no subject) x-authenticated : Sender SMTP authenticated by smtp.gotrain.org X-XM-SPF: eid=;;;mid=;;;hst=mx01.mta.xmission.com;;;ip=207.160.203.25;;;frm=bill@g otrain.org;;;spf=none X-XM-DomainKey: sender_domain=gotrain.org;;;sender=bill@gotrain.org;;;status=no signature X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 207.160.203.25 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: bill@gotrain.org X-Spam-DCC: XMission; sa03 1397; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on sa03.xmission.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK_NEGATIVE, MISSING_HB_SEP,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB,T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG,XMSolicitRefs_1, XM_Body_Dirty_Words,XM_OfRef3,XM_OfRef4 autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Combo: *;For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> X-Spam-Relay-Country: US US X-Spam-Report: * 0.6 RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB RBL: SORBS: sender is a abuseable web server * [66.81.29.124 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] * 2.5 MISSING_HB_SEP Missing blank line between message header and body * 0.0 T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG BODY: T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG * -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0035] * -0.0 DCC_CHECK_NEGATIVE Not listed in DCC * [sa03 1397; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1] * 0.5 XM_Body_Dirty_Words Contains a dirty word * 0.0 XM_OfRef3 Contains 3 or more suspicious of references * 0.0 XM_OfRef4 Contains 4 or more suspicious of references * 0.0 XMSolicitRefs_1 + 2 solicitation references Subject: Re: M_Boats: (no subject) X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Thu, 07 Dec 2006 04:40:56 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mx01.mta.xmission.com) Hi Larry, To answer your questions, I have used the porta-potti when sleeping on the boat, but it is tricky. When I'm sleeping on the boat by myself, I can leave the porta-potti in its well, but when I need to use it, I have to remove the cushion and wood panel cover, which takes the center part of the bed apart. That effectively eliminates making up the whole bed with sheets and blankets, like you normally would. You can use a sleeping bag, or only make up half of the bed, and sleep all the way to one side of the V berth, which makes it easier to get at the porta-potti with the least effort. Then, because of the low head room, (trying not to get too graphic here), you need to either sit or kneel, which also avoids aiming and splashing problems. When my wife is along, we put the porta-potti in the cockpit, and install another panel and cushion I made, into the hole between the porta-potti well and the hatch opening. This effectively turns the whole cabin into a bed. A quite roomy bed too, I might add. I'm 6'4", 210 lbs, and my wife is 5' and shhh! 110 lbs (whispered), so the extra room is appreciated, and also allows me to leave the boom in the cabin with us, if necessary. Privacy is only achieved by parking in an isolated area, using the facility under cover of darkness, rigging a privacy curtain, or in one desperate case, wrapped in a blanket. There probably are other methods, if you stretch your imagination, but it IS possible, just maybe not like downtown. When sleeping on the boat, I've always felt safe and comfortable. If on the hook, I just take the normal anchoring precautions, to preclude the usual risks involved in anchoring. If parking in a Wal-mart, or other parking lot, I alway ask permission, and park where I'm advised to park. In every case, they're intrigued at the idea of someone sleeping in a boat in their parking lot, so they always take a personal interest in your safety and comfort. For example, when I stopped one time during a tornado warning, the Wal-mart manager suggested that I park next to the building in the loading dock area, and then had a security person go out and actually point out the most protected place to park. As soon as I closed the hatch, it was like someone turned a fire hose on my boat, but I stayed dry and cozy inside. I didn't get much sleep because of the storm, but I was safe and secure. To make sleeping on the boat more comfortable, I've made several replacement hatches. One is solid plywood with several, large, rectangular holes cut in it. These holes are covered with screens and louvered plates. This allows air circulation, but keeps rain and bugs out. Another hatch is just a sturdy frame with a large opening covered with mosquito netting. This is for hot, buggy nights with no rain expected. I working on another one with a 12 volt intake fan in one opening, with another, larger opening at the top for exhausting the stale air. It's easy to trace your hatch boards onto the right thickness of plywood to make the various replacement hatch covers. Once you figure out what you need, it's easy to make the proper replacement for your comfort in different conditions. I tow the boat with a Toyota Tacoma four cylinder. It drops my miles per gallon, most probably due to a combination of weight and wind resistance. I sometimes pull an extremely light fiberglass travel trailer, and it also drops my mileage, and that has to be almost entirely due to wind resistance, so I think the boat is not too bad to tow. I've towed it cross country several times, and sleeping in the boat to save on motel bills more than offsets the mileage drop. The only comfort I miss is the shower, and I make up for that by buying camping wet wipes in the camping area at Wal-mart. Also, you can find lemon scented large wet wipes, that also work well, in the pharmacy area of Wal-mart. As you can probably tell, my motto is, "If Wal-mart doesn't have it, I don't need it". If you're on the road for several days, you can also stop at Flying "J", and for $11, you and your wife can take a nice shower, and be good for another couple of days. When I lived in Vallejo, in the San Francisco bay area of California, I used to sail in the bay a lot. Several good trips were: 1. Sailing from Richmond to Angel Island. Sleep tied to a mooring, and sail back the next day. 2. Sailing from Alameda to San Francisco to a marina just south of the bay bridge. Have lunch, and sail back. 3. Sail from Alameda to San Leandro and back, in one day. 4. Any blessing of the fleet event on opening day on the bay. We also used to sail in the delta a lot. Our favorite launch point was Tower Park marina. You back your trailer onto an elevator, and disconnect. The elevator lowers your entire boat and trailer into the water. The boat floats off, and your trailer is raised back up, where you reconnect and park it. There are lots of nice sailing destinations available from there. To spend the night on the hook, you drop a stern anchor about 50 feet from shore, nose up to a levy bank and tie up to a tree. If you have a dinghy, you can row around and visit with other anchorees. This often leads to a nice pot luck dinner, or at least some shared drinks. That puts the "R" in dink. Another one of our favorite sailing trips was to rent a floating campsite at Lake Oroville. Get several couples to go together to rent the floating campsite. You can either sleep on your boat, or set up a tent on the roof of the floating campsite and sleep there. See http://www.orovilleareachamber.net/lakeoroville/floating_campsites.html for pictures and more details. It makes a great several day trip. Now that I'm living in Southern California, I sail in Lake Isabella, or in the ocean around Channel Islands, or Ventura. I was also planning to join the Lake Havasu group in February, but my wife was involved in a horrendous auto accident (hit head on by an armored truck) and has been hospitalized from the day before Thanksgiving until this last Friday, when she finally got to come home. When she recovers enough to walk again, she wants to get back out on the boat, and hopefully meet some more Monty owners. I hope you have as much fun in your Monty, ashore, as well as on the water, as we've had on ours. It's a pretty versatile little boat. Lots of fun packed into a small package. Bill & Gigi Day M-15 #363 "Gee Whiz!" . Hughston, Larry wrote:
I like the idea of a "Boater-Home". Did you use the porta potty at all during that time? Did you feel safe and comfortable? What is your tow vehicle? I have an old 1981 M-15 with very few "water knots" on it. I am based in Sacramento. Where do you sail?
Fair winds..... L. Hughston. Hull # 189.
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Thanks Bill Great ideas on the hatches......You are starting to sound like an "Old Salt".......Larry in Sacramento -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill "C" Day Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:24 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: (no subject) x-authenticated : Sender SMTP authenticated by smtp.gotrain.org X-XM-SPF: eid=;;;mid=;;;hst=mx01.mta.xmission.com;;;ip=207.160.203.25;;;frm=bill@g otrain.org;;;spf=none X-XM-DomainKey: sender_domain=gotrain.org;;;sender=bill@gotrain.org;;;status=no signature X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 207.160.203.25 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: bill@gotrain.org X-Spam-DCC: XMission; sa03 1397; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on sa03.xmission.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK_NEGATIVE, MISSING_HB_SEP,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB,T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG,XMSolicitRefs_1, XM_Body_Dirty_Words,XM_OfRef3,XM_OfRef4 autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Combo: *;For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> X-Spam-Relay-Country: US US X-Spam-Report: * 0.6 RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB RBL: SORBS: sender is a abuseable web server * [66.81.29.124 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] * 2.5 MISSING_HB_SEP Missing blank line between message header and body * 0.0 T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG BODY: T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG * -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0035] * -0.0 DCC_CHECK_NEGATIVE Not listed in DCC * [sa03 1397; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1] * 0.5 XM_Body_Dirty_Words Contains a dirty word * 0.0 XM_OfRef3 Contains 3 or more suspicious of references * 0.0 XM_OfRef4 Contains 4 or more suspicious of references * 0.0 XMSolicitRefs_1 + 2 solicitation references Subject: Re: M_Boats: (no subject) X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Thu, 07 Dec 2006 04:40:56 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mx01.mta.xmission.com) Hi Larry, To answer your questions, I have used the porta-potti when sleeping on the boat, but it is tricky. When I'm sleeping on the boat by myself, I can leave the porta-potti in its well, but when I need to use it, I have to remove the cushion and wood panel cover, which takes the center part of the bed apart. That effectively eliminates making up the whole bed with sheets and blankets, like you normally would. You can use a sleeping bag, or only make up half of the bed, and sleep all the way to one side of the V berth, which makes it easier to get at the porta-potti with the least effort. Then, because of the low head room, (trying not to get too graphic here), you need to either sit or kneel, which also avoids aiming and splashing problems. When my wife is along, we put the porta-potti in the cockpit, and install another panel and cushion I made, into the hole between the porta-potti well and the hatch opening. This effectively turns the whole cabin into a bed. A quite roomy bed too, I might add. I'm 6'4", 210 lbs, and my wife is 5' and shhh! 110 lbs (whispered), so the extra room is appreciated, and also allows me to leave the boom in the cabin with us, if necessary. Privacy is only achieved by parking in an isolated area, using the facility under cover of darkness, rigging a privacy curtain, or in one desperate case, wrapped in a blanket. There probably are other methods, if you stretch your imagination, but it IS possible, just maybe not like downtown. When sleeping on the boat, I've always felt safe and comfortable. If on the hook, I just take the normal anchoring precautions, to preclude the usual risks involved in anchoring. If parking in a Wal-mart, or other parking lot, I alway ask permission, and park where I'm advised to park. In every case, they're intrigued at the idea of someone sleeping in a boat in their parking lot, so they always take a personal interest in your safety and comfort. For example, when I stopped one time during a tornado warning, the Wal-mart manager suggested that I park next to the building in the loading dock area, and then had a security person go out and actually point out the most protected place to park. As soon as I closed the hatch, it was like someone turned a fire hose on my boat, but I stayed dry and cozy inside. I didn't get much sleep because of the storm, but I was safe and secure. To make sleeping on the boat more comfortable, I've made several replacement hatches. One is solid plywood with several, large, rectangular holes cut in it. These holes are covered with screens and louvered plates. This allows air circulation, but keeps rain and bugs out. Another hatch is just a sturdy frame with a large opening covered with mosquito netting. This is for hot, buggy nights with no rain expected. I working on another one with a 12 volt intake fan in one opening, with another, larger opening at the top for exhausting the stale air. It's easy to trace your hatch boards onto the right thickness of plywood to make the various replacement hatch covers. Once you figure out what you need, it's easy to make the proper replacement for your comfort in different conditions. I tow the boat with a Toyota Tacoma four cylinder. It drops my miles per gallon, most probably due to a combination of weight and wind resistance. I sometimes pull an extremely light fiberglass travel trailer, and it also drops my mileage, and that has to be almost entirely due to wind resistance, so I think the boat is not too bad to tow. I've towed it cross country several times, and sleeping in the boat to save on motel bills more than offsets the mileage drop. The only comfort I miss is the shower, and I make up for that by buying camping wet wipes in the camping area at Wal-mart. Also, you can find lemon scented large wet wipes, that also work well, in the pharmacy area of Wal-mart. As you can probably tell, my motto is, "If Wal-mart doesn't have it, I don't need it". If you're on the road for several days, you can also stop at Flying "J", and for $11, you and your wife can take a nice shower, and be good for another couple of days. When I lived in Vallejo, in the San Francisco bay area of California, I used to sail in the bay a lot. Several good trips were: 1. Sailing from Richmond to Angel Island. Sleep tied to a mooring, and sail back the next day. 2. Sailing from Alameda to San Francisco to a marina just south of the bay bridge. Have lunch, and sail back. 3. Sail from Alameda to San Leandro and back, in one day. 4. Any blessing of the fleet event on opening day on the bay. We also used to sail in the delta a lot. Our favorite launch point was Tower Park marina. You back your trailer onto an elevator, and disconnect. The elevator lowers your entire boat and trailer into the water. The boat floats off, and your trailer is raised back up, where you reconnect and park it. There are lots of nice sailing destinations available from there. To spend the night on the hook, you drop a stern anchor about 50 feet from shore, nose up to a levy bank and tie up to a tree. If you have a dinghy, you can row around and visit with other anchorees. This often leads to a nice pot luck dinner, or at least some shared drinks. That puts the "R" in dink. Another one of our favorite sailing trips was to rent a floating campsite at Lake Oroville. Get several couples to go together to rent the floating campsite. You can either sleep on your boat, or set up a tent on the roof of the floating campsite and sleep there. See http://www.orovilleareachamber.net/lakeoroville/floating_campsites.html for pictures and more details. It makes a great several day trip. Now that I'm living in Southern California, I sail in Lake Isabella, or in the ocean around Channel Islands, or Ventura. I was also planning to join the Lake Havasu group in February, but my wife was involved in a horrendous auto accident (hit head on by an armored truck) and has been hospitalized from the day before Thanksgiving until this last Friday, when she finally got to come home. When she recovers enough to walk again, she wants to get back out on the boat, and hopefully meet some more Monty owners. I hope you have as much fun in your Monty, ashore, as well as on the water, as we've had on ours. It's a pretty versatile little boat. Lots of fun packed into a small package. Bill & Gigi Day M-15 #363 "Gee Whiz!" . Hughston, Larry wrote:
I like the idea of a "Boater-Home". Did you use the porta potty at all during that time? Did you feel safe and comfortable? What is your tow vehicle? I have an old 1981 M-15 with very few "water knots" on it. I am based in Sacramento. Where do you sail?
Fair winds..... L. Hughston. Hull # 189.
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John, If you are thinking of retiring to New Bern, NC pick up a copy of Claiborne Young's "Cruising Guide to Coastal North Carolina" (6th Ed). It is packed with everything you want to know about sailing all of NC coastline. I've been reading it often in planning trips in the Albemarle and Pamlico Sounds. While you're at it you might want to join (free) the Cruiser's Net at www.cruisersnet.net. It has all the latest information on the ICW plus plenty of other great stuff. BTW in your search of retirement locations you might be interested in Oriental, known as the sailing capital of North Carolina. It's got plenty of charm and about a 40 drive to New Bern. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merrell" <mayrel@hughes.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:12 PM Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 15
Greetings, We previously used this email site to obtain information on the M17. We received many responses which were very helpful. Since then, we have decided to research the M15. Since we are currently located in northeastern Alabama, it's a long way to California to visit with Bog Eeg and view one of his boats. To this end, if there are any M15 owners' in our area, or within 100 miles of us, we'd love to see your boat. We'd also appreciate any comments/advice concerning the M15. We are retiring this year at 62, and hopefully relocating to either Summerville SC or New Bern NC this summer. I'm 6'1" 230 lbs, my wife is 5'4" 135 lbs. We plan to cruise as much as possible along the ICW for as many days as possible(not more than 3 nights on the hook) before seeking a marina to refresh, and then off we go. We also plan to trailer to other locations to do the same. We feel we can use the boat like a camper and sleep in it at campsites as we travel across country(why not?). Early thanks for any responses...sincerely, John and Joy _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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John and Joy, I have slept two on my Montgomery 15 several times and it is reasonably comfortable. There is a couple from Norfolk, Va who occasionally cruise with us and he is 6' 2" and about 180 lbs and his wife is about a little smaller than Joy. They cloths pin some sheets around the cockpit to increase the privacy and it works well for them. I have cruised the M15 for 10 days in the Fl Keys without stopping at a Marina and I was definitely ready for a break. For long cruises with 2 the M17 would be more comfortable I think but if you think of the M15 as back packing on a boat it meets your expectations well. Due to the small open nature of the boat I only stop at marinas long enough to shower, restock and stretch my legs as there is much more privacy and better scenery on the hook. I live in Va and on my long trailer trips to Fl, ME, MA and Canada I always overnight at a Wall-mart or a camp ground and it works quite well. It is a bit of a hassel dragging the boom and rudder out of the cabin and knocking your head on the mast but it's ok. The next time I may take a tent along and use a campground. New Bern actually sounds pretty nice and the is a possiblity that I may move there in the next two years as well. If you haven't found an M15 to look at by mid May you may want to go to the start of the Florida 150 - http://www.texas200.com/florida120.htm as I think there may be one or two there. Thanks Doug Kelch M15 #310 "Seas the Day" --- On Mon, 3/16/09, John Merrell <mayrel@hughes.net> wrote: From: John Merrell <mayrel@hughes.net> Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 10:12 PM Greetings, We previously used this email site to obtain information on the M17. We received many responses which were very helpful. Since then, we have decided to research the M15. Since we are currently located in northeastern Alabama, it's a long way to California to visit with Bog Eeg and view one of his boats. To this end, if there are any M15 owners' in our area, or within 100 miles of us, we'd love to see your boat. We'd also appreciate any comments/advice concerning the M15. We are retiring this year at 62, and hopefully relocating to either Summerville SC or New Bern NC this summer. I'm 6'1" 230 lbs, my wife is 5'4" 135 lbs. We plan to cruise as much as possible along the ICW for as many days as possible(not more than 3 nights on the hook) before seeking a marina to refresh, and then off we go. We also plan to trailer to other locations to do the same. We feel we can use the boat like a camper and sleep in it at campsites as we travel across country(why not?). Early thanks for any responses...sincerely, John and Joy _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
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