Hi Joe, The smaller inflatable kayaks are shorter than my K-1 model, so I would imagine with less wetted surface they would paddle easier and be a tad more nimble. The other kayaks I have paddled are the hard shell fiberglass/plastic models which track far better than the inflatables. I do like my K-1 for the room it offers my long legs and ability to carry some gear, plus, I can deflate her and stuff it in the cockpit. I have towed her for short distances, but Bonita would prefer to frolic through the water without a leash on! On another note, I use a foot pump with the K-1, and I can pump her up in the M17 cockpit in 5 minutes. I'd love to own a Seagull outboard, they are classic. Bye from Bones ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEuJCNnwyijVQv4FvaUNfwv1ix...
Bones, I just happen to know where there is a late model, 5hp, Silver Century Plus (with clutch) Seagull in good condition. It was Griselda's origonal auxillary motor and is sitting in the corner of my brother's garage. He has offered to give it to me if I just come and get it. Let me know if you are interested. Ron (whitebeard) M17 #14, Griselda Lake Livingston, Texas
From: bownez@juno.com Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:33 +0000 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders
Hi Joe,
The smaller inflatable kayaks are shorter than my K-1 model, so I would imagine with less wetted surface they would paddle easier and be a tad more nimble. The other kayaks I have paddled are the hard shell fiberglass/plastic models which track far better than the inflatables. I do like my K-1 for the room it offers my long legs and ability to carry some gear, plus, I can deflate her and stuff it in the cockpit. I have towed her for short distances, but Bonita would prefer to frolic through the water without a leash on! On another note, I use a foot pump with the K-1, and I can pump her up in the M17 cockpit in 5 minutes.
I'd love to own a Seagull outboard, they are classic.
Bye from Bones
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Hey Bones, Sounds like a good deal to me! There is an excellent yahoo group of British Seagull Owners that are as friendly and helpful as our Monty group. I got my BS Forty Plus off Ebay. It came in a large cardboard box with a note inside that said, "I haven't started this in over ten years but it should run. Good luck." I strapped it on a fence and put the prop in a big deep garbage can full of water. I put clean fuel in; checked the plug; wrapped the cord and in the fourth try it started up. Runs like a top. Even though it is only rated at 2 hp, it has a ton of torque. A friend came up from Fl to move a 39' wooden ketch (19,000 lbs) to Fl. We had it on a mooring and needed to move it to the haulout lift at the adjacent marina. I put the BS on a 10' dinghy and we bridled it up to the yacht and shoved her all the way over and into the slip. Amazed not only me but all the boat yard folks as well. They are damn near bullet proof. Have fun. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronnie Keeler" <ronkeeler@hotmail.com> To: "Montgomery boats mailing list" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:36 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders Bones, I just happen to know where there is a late model, 5hp, Silver Century Plus (with clutch) Seagull in good condition. It was Griselda's origonal auxillary motor and is sitting in the corner of my brother's garage. He has offered to give it to me if I just come and get it. Let me know if you are interested. Ron (whitebeard) M17 #14, Griselda Lake Livingston, Texas
From: bownez@juno.com Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:33 +0000 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders
Hi Joe,
The smaller inflatable kayaks are shorter than my K-1 model, so I would imagine with less wetted surface they would paddle easier and be a tad more nimble. The other kayaks I have paddled are the hard shell fiberglass/plastic models which track far better than the inflatables. I do like my K-1 for the room it offers my long legs and ability to carry some gear, plus, I can deflate her and stuff it in the cockpit. I have towed her for short distances, but Bonita would prefer to frolic through the water without a leash on! On another note, I use a foot pump with the K-1, and I can pump her up in the M17 cockpit in 5 minutes.
I'd love to own a Seagull outboard, they are classic.
Bye from Bones
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Hi Bones, Back in my big boat days, I had a Dwyer 7'-9" dinghy with a 2 HP Seagull (which replaced an Evinrude where every part was totally inaccessible) and I loved it. Yes, it tends to be a bit oily, but the advantage of a Seagull is that all it's parts are out in the open and instantly accessible in case it doesn't want to run. Spark plugs are easy to remove and check for carbon deposits; you can check the transparent fuel line to make certain that the carburetor is getting fuel (and that you really do have the fuel tank shutoff valve in the OPEN position); or to clean the carburetor bowl if there is dirt in the fuel. Just remember to be careful when you pull the starting cord that you aren't hitting someone in the face with the cord as you pull - been there: done that.... I loved it too. It was a totally reliable engine; and totally fixable with on board tools. Connie Ronnie Keeler wrote:
Bones,
I just happen to know where there is a late model, 5hp, Silver Century Plus (with clutch) Seagull in good condition. It was Griselda's origonal auxillary motor and is sitting in the corner of my brother's garage. He has offered to give it to me if I just come and get it. Let me know if you are interested.
Ron (whitebeard)
M17 #14, Griselda
Lake Livingston, Texas
From: bownez@juno.com Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:33 +0000 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders
Hi Joe,
The smaller inflatable kayaks are shorter than my K-1 model, so I would imagine with less wetted surface they would paddle easier and be a tad more nimble. The other kayaks I have paddled are the hard shell fiberglass/plastic models which track far better than the inflatables. I do like my K-1 for the room it offers my long legs and ability to carry some gear, plus, I can deflate her and stuff it in the cockpit. I have towed her for short distances, but Bonita would prefer to frolic through the water without a leash on! On another note, I use a foot pump with the K-1, and I can pump her up in the M17 cockpit in 5 minutes.
I'd love to own a Seagull outboard, they are classic.
Bye from Bones
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Hi Ron, The Seagull is total marine reliability. You can do a total overhaul of a Seagull engine in the cockpit of your boat with your on-board tools and all you need are a few Whitworth wrenches and 3/8th" Whitworth sockets to do the job. Remember it is a British made engine; so the nuts and bolts used in the engine are made to British Whitworth Standards, and your normal U.S. SAE sockets and wrenches either won't fit on a bolt head or nut because they are too tight, or the next larger size is too loose, and you will round off the corners of the nuts and bolts. Whitworth wrenches and sockets are available at any good automotive tool supplier. Mine were from Snap On Tools, and came to the Seagull via my MG, and two Austin-Healeys. MAC Tool Company probably has them too, and it is possible that even SEARS might have them. As I dimly recall, there is a button on the top of the carburetor float bowl that you have to push down until fuel comes out the top of the cover. This is the first step in the starting procedure, and insures that you have enough fuel in the float bowl to start the engine. Then you close the choke, wind the starter rope around the flywheel; advance the throttle a bit and, ...pull, ....and with some experience, it should start on the second or third pull. When I was in Singapore, all the bum boats that ferry crewmen to and from their anchored freighters were powered by Seagull engines. Since the Singapore harbor anchorage area was very large, these bum boats traveled lots of miles each day. The off-duty crewmen came to town and bought TVs, radios, refrigerators, washing machines, clothes, and whatever else they needed, then loaded it all back in the bum boats and were ferried out to their ship. Connie Ronnie Keeler wrote:
Bones,
I just happen to know where there is a late model, 5hp, Silver Century Plus (with clutch) Seagull in good condition. It was Griselda's origonal auxillary motor and is sitting in the corner of my brother's garage. He has offered to give it to me if I just come and get it. Let me know if you are interested.
Ron (whitebeard)
M17 #14, Griselda
Lake Livingston, Texas
From: bownez@juno.com Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:33 +0000 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders
Hi Joe,
The smaller inflatable kayaks are shorter than my K-1 model, so I would imagine with less wetted surface they would paddle easier and be a tad more nimble. The other kayaks I have paddled are the hard shell fiberglass/plastic models which track far better than the inflatables. I do like my K-1 for the room it offers my long legs and ability to carry some gear, plus, I can deflate her and stuff it in the cockpit. I have towed her for short distances, but Bonita would prefer to frolic through the water without a leash on! On another note, I use a foot pump with the K-1, and I can pump her up in the M17 cockpit in 5 minutes.
I'd love to own a Seagull outboard, they are classic.
Bye from Bones
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Isn't the British Whitworth Standard the same thing as Metric?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders Hi Ron, The Seagull is total marine reliability. You can do a total overhaul of a Seagull engine in the cockpit of your boat with your on-board tools and all you need are a few Whitworth wrenches and 3/8th" Whitworth sockets to do the job. Remember it is a British made engine; so the nuts and bolts used in the engine are made to British Whitworth Standards, and your normal U.S. SAE sockets and wrenches either won't fit on a bolt head or nut because they are too tight, or the next larger size is too loose, and you will round off the corners of the nuts and bolts. Whitworth wrenches and sockets are available at any good automotive tool supplier. Mine were from Snap On Tools, and came to the Seagull via my MG, and two Austin-Healeys. MAC Tool Company probably has them too, and it is possible that even SEARS might have them. As I dimly recall, there is a button on the top of the carburetor float bowl that you have to push down until fuel comes out the top of the cover. This is the first step in the starting procedure, and insures that you have enough fuel in the float bowl to start the engine. Then you close the choke, wind the starter rope around the flywheel; advance the throttle a bit and, ...pull, ....and with some experience, it should start on the second or third pull. When I was in Singapore, all the bum boats that ferry crewmen to and from their anchored freighters were powered by Seagull engines. Since the Singapore harbor anchorage area was very large, these bum boats traveled lots of miles each day. The off-duty crewmen came to town and bought TVs, radios, refrigerators, washing machines, clothes, and whatever else they needed, then loaded it all back in the bum boats and were ferried out to their ship. Connie Ronnie Keeler wrote:
Bones,
I just happen to know where there is a late model, 5hp, Silver Century Plus (with clutch) Seagull in good condition. It was Griselda's origonal auxillary motor and is sitting in the corner of my brother's garage. He has offered to give it to me if I just come and get it. Let me know if you are interested.
Ron (whitebeard)
M17 #14, Griselda
Lake Livingston, Texas
From: bownez@juno.com Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:33 +0000 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders
Hi Joe,
The smaller inflatable kayaks are shorter than my K-1 model, so I would imagine with less wetted surface they would paddle easier and be a tad more nimble. The other kayaks I have paddled are the hard shell fiberglass/plastic models which track far better than the inflatables. I do like my K-1 for the room it offers my long legs and ability to carry some gear, plus, I can deflate her and stuff it in the cockpit. I have towed her for short distances, but Bonita would prefer to frolic through the water without a leash on! On another note, I use a foot pump with the K-1, and I can pump her up in the M17 cockpit in 5 minutes.
I'd love to own a Seagull outboard, they are classic.
Bye from Bones
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Definitely not, but I don't have the right reference behind my back to look up and identify the differences between SAE, metric, and Whitworth. As it's British, Whitworth is probable a system based on 1/37ths of the diameter of the King's ring, and 1/78ths of the depth of ale in a pint glass at the pub over by the Tower Bridge that burned in 1749, or something equally rational. ~ John Tyner M-15 412 "Chimpanzee" Joe Murphy wrote:
Isn't the British Whitworth Standard the same thing as Metric?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders
Hi Ron,
The Seagull is total marine reliability. You can do a total overhaul of a Seagull engine in the cockpit of your boat with your on-board tools and all you need are a few Whitworth wrenches and 3/8th" Whitworth sockets to do the job.
Remember it is a British made engine; so the nuts and bolts used in the engine are made to British Whitworth Standards, and your normal U.S. SAE sockets and wrenches either won't fit on a bolt head or nut because they are too tight, or the next larger size is too loose, and you will round off the corners of the nuts and bolts.
Whitworth wrenches and sockets are available at any good automotive tool supplier. Mine were from Snap On Tools, and came to the Seagull via my MG, and two Austin-Healeys. MAC Tool Company probably has them too, and it is possible that even SEARS might have them.
As I dimly recall, there is a button on the top of the carburetor float bowl that you have to push down until fuel comes out the top of the cover. This is the first step in the starting procedure, and insures that you have enough fuel in the float bowl to start the engine. Then you close the choke, wind the starter rope around the flywheel; advance the throttle a bit and, ...pull, ....and with some experience, it should start on the second or third pull.
When I was in Singapore, all the bum boats that ferry crewmen to and from their anchored freighters were powered by Seagull engines. Since the Singapore harbor anchorage area was very large, these bum boats traveled lots of miles each day. The off-duty crewmen came to town and bought TVs, radios, refrigerators, washing machines, clothes, and whatever else they needed, then loaded it all back in the bum boats and were ferried out to their ship.
Connie
Ronnie Keeler wrote:
Bones,
I just happen to know where there is a late model, 5hp, Silver Century Plus (with clutch) Seagull in good condition. It was Griselda's origonal auxillary motor and is sitting in the corner of my brother's garage. He has offered to give it to me if I just come and get it. Let me know if you are interested.
Ron (whitebeard)
M17 #14, Griselda
Lake Livingston, Texas
From: bownez@juno.com Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:33 +0000 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders
Hi Joe,
The smaller inflatable kayaks are shorter than my K-1 model, so I would imagine with less wetted surface they would paddle easier and be a tad more nimble. The other kayaks I have paddled are the hard shell fiberglass/plastic models which track far better than the inflatables. I do like my K-1 for the room it offers my long legs and ability to carry some gear, plus, I can deflate her and stuff it in the cockpit. I have towed her for short distances, but Bonita would prefer to frolic through the water without a leash on! On another note, I use a foot pump with the K-1, and I can pump her up in the M17 cockpit in 5 minutes.
I'd love to own a Seagull outboard, they are classic.
Bye from Bones
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Anybody interested in a 1968 1.5 hp Seagull black tank? Sorry Bub - it's a family heirloom and not for sale. I've had it since I was a kid but it only sees occasional use nowadays. The gas to oil ratio is 10 to 1, and you do have to push a button on the carb until gas dribbles into the drink. Just starting it up breaks a host of federal environmental laws... but it RUNS. Jim M-17 "Spirit" On Mar 12, 2009, at 7:02 PM, John Tyner wrote:
Definitely not, but I don't have the right reference behind my back to look up and identify the differences between SAE, metric, and Whitworth. As it's British, Whitworth is probable a system based on 1/37ths of the diameter of the King's ring, and 1/78ths of the depth of ale in a pint glass at the pub over by the Tower Bridge that burned in 1749, or something equally rational. ~ John Tyner M-15 412 "Chimpanzee"
Joe Murphy wrote:
Isn't the British Whitworth Standard the same thing as Metric?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders Hi Ron, The Seagull is total marine reliability. You can do a total overhaul of a Seagull engine in the cockpit of your boat with your on-board tools and all you need are a few Whitworth wrenches and 3/8th" Whitworth sockets to do the job. Remember it is a British made engine; so the nuts and bolts used in the engine are made to British Whitworth Standards, and your normal U.S. SAE sockets and wrenches either won't fit on a bolt head or nut because they are too tight, or the next larger size is too loose, and you will round off the corners of the nuts and bolts. Whitworth wrenches and sockets are available at any good automotive tool supplier. Mine were from Snap On Tools, and came to the Seagull via my MG, and two Austin-Healeys. MAC Tool Company probably has them too, and it is possible that even SEARS might have them. As I dimly recall, there is a button on the top of the carburetor float bowl that you have to push down until fuel comes out the top of the cover. This is the first step in the starting procedure, and insures that you have enough fuel in the float bowl to start the engine. Then you close the choke, wind the starter rope around the flywheel; advance the throttle a bit and, ...pull, ....and with some experience, it should start on the second or third pull. When I was in Singapore, all the bum boats that ferry crewmen to and from their anchored freighters were powered by Seagull engines. Since the Singapore harbor anchorage area was very large, these bum boats traveled lots of miles each day. The off-duty crewmen came to town and bought TVs, radios, refrigerators, washing machines, clothes, and whatever else they needed, then loaded it all back in the bum boats and were ferried out to their ship. Connie Ronnie Keeler wrote:
Bones,
I just happen to know where there is a late model, 5hp, Silver Century Plus (with clutch) Seagull in good condition. It was Griselda's origonal auxillary motor and is sitting in the corner of my brother's garage. He has offered to give it to me if I just come and get it. Let me know if you are interested.
Ron (whitebeard)
M17 #14, Griselda
Lake Livingston, Texas
From: bownez@juno.com Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:33 +0000 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders
Hi Joe,
The smaller inflatable kayaks are shorter than my K-1 model, so I would imagine with less wetted surface they would paddle easier and be a tad more nimble. The other kayaks I have paddled are the hard shell fiberglass/plastic models which track far better than the inflatables. I do like my K-1 for the room it offers my long legs and ability to carry some gear, plus, I can deflate her and stuff it in the cockpit. I have towed her for short distances, but Bonita would prefer to frolic through the water without a leash on! On another note, I use a foot pump with the K-1, and I can pump her up in the M17 cockpit in 5 minutes.
I'd love to own a Seagull outboard, they are classic.
Bye from Bones
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Hi Joe, No it isn't.... The British had their own system for nuts and bolts - the Whitworth System. The rest of Europe operates on the Metric System. There is no compatibility between the Whitworth and the Metric Systems Because almost all the rest of the World now uses the Metric System, the British are also adopting the metric system, however, Seagulls were first built in 1931, and they are still in business today. (Check British Seagull Outboard Motors in Google). The only ones (older models) that I have experience with all had Whitworth nuts and bolts. The currently manufactured ones probably now have metric nuts and bolts. Connie Joe Murphy wrote:
Isn't the British Whitworth Standard the same thing as Metric?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders
Hi Ron,
The Seagull is total marine reliability. You can do a total overhaul of a Seagull engine in the cockpit of your boat with your on-board tools and all you need are a few Whitworth wrenches and 3/8th" Whitworth sockets to do the job.
Remember it is a British made engine; so the nuts and bolts used in the engine are made to British Whitworth Standards, and your normal U.S. SAE sockets and wrenches either won't fit on a bolt head or nut because they are too tight, or the next larger size is too loose, and you will round off the corners of the nuts and bolts.
Whitworth wrenches and sockets are available at any good automotive tool supplier. Mine were from Snap On Tools, and came to the Seagull via my MG, and two Austin-Healeys. MAC Tool Company probably has them too, and it is possible that even SEARS might have them.
As I dimly recall, there is a button on the top of the carburetor float bowl that you have to push down until fuel comes out the top of the cover. This is the first step in the starting procedure, and insures that you have enough fuel in the float bowl to start the engine. Then you close the choke, wind the starter rope around the flywheel; advance the throttle a bit and, ...pull, ....and with some experience, it should start on the second or third pull.
When I was in Singapore, all the bum boats that ferry crewmen to and from their anchored freighters were powered by Seagull engines. Since the Singapore harbor anchorage area was very large, these bum boats traveled lots of miles each day. The off-duty crewmen came to town and bought TVs, radios, refrigerators, washing machines, clothes, and whatever else they needed, then loaded it all back in the bum boats and were ferried out to their ship.
Connie
Ronnie Keeler wrote:
Bones,
I just happen to know where there is a late model, 5hp, Silver Century Plus (with clutch) Seagull in good condition. It was Griselda's origonal auxillary motor and is sitting in the corner of my brother's garage. He has offered to give it to me if I just come and get it. Let me know if you are interested.
Ron (whitebeard)
M17 #14, Griselda
Lake Livingston, Texas
From: bownez@juno.com Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:33 +0000 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders
Hi Joe,
The smaller inflatable kayaks are shorter than my K-1 model, so I would imagine with less wetted surface they would paddle easier and be a tad more nimble. The other kayaks I have paddled are the hard shell fiberglass/plastic models which track far better than the inflatables. I do like my K-1 for the room it offers my long legs and ability to carry some gear, plus, I can deflate her and stuff it in the cockpit. I have towed her for short distances, but Bonita would prefer to frolic through the water without a leash on! On another note, I use a foot pump with the K-1, and I can pump her up in the M17 cockpit in 5 minutes.
I'd love to own a Seagull outboard, they are classic.
Bye from Bones
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Connie, Thanks for the info. My FortyPlus is a '68. I'll do some research to see if that was a production year prior to or after adopting to the metric system. I have the original tools that came with it. I just assumed they were metric. I guess it's like the reason why our train tracks are four feet eight and a half inches wide. I'm sure you've heard this, but for those of you that have never heard this particular lore, it goes something like this; Because that's what it was in England. Why? Because that's the gauge the tramways used before the railroads. Why? Because the tramways were built using the same tools as wagon-builders and that's how wide the wagon wheels were spaced. Why? Because the old roads in England had ruts that the wheels needed to accommodate. Why? Because the ruts were made by Imperial Roman chariots. Why? Because that was the basic width of two horses' behinds. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:28 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders Hi Joe, No it isn't.... The British had their own system for nuts and bolts - the Whitworth System. The rest of Europe operates on the Metric System. There is no compatibility between the Whitworth and the Metric Systems Because almost all the rest of the World now uses the Metric System, the British are also adopting the metric system, however, Seagulls were first built in 1931, and they are still in business today. (Check British Seagull Outboard Motors in Google). The only ones (older models) that I have experience with all had Whitworth nuts and bolts. The currently manufactured ones probably now have metric nuts and bolts. Connie Joe Murphy wrote:
Isn't the British Whitworth Standard the same thing as Metric?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders
Hi Ron,
The Seagull is total marine reliability. You can do a total overhaul of a Seagull engine in the cockpit of your boat with your on-board tools and all you need are a few Whitworth wrenches and 3/8th" Whitworth sockets to do the job.
Remember it is a British made engine; so the nuts and bolts used in the engine are made to British Whitworth Standards, and your normal U.S. SAE sockets and wrenches either won't fit on a bolt head or nut because they are too tight, or the next larger size is too loose, and you will round off the corners of the nuts and bolts.
Whitworth wrenches and sockets are available at any good automotive tool supplier. Mine were from Snap On Tools, and came to the Seagull via my MG, and two Austin-Healeys. MAC Tool Company probably has them too, and it is possible that even SEARS might have them.
As I dimly recall, there is a button on the top of the carburetor float bowl that you have to push down until fuel comes out the top of the cover. This is the first step in the starting procedure, and insures that you have enough fuel in the float bowl to start the engine. Then you close the choke, wind the starter rope around the flywheel; advance the throttle a bit and, ...pull, ....and with some experience, it should start on the second or third pull.
When I was in Singapore, all the bum boats that ferry crewmen to and from their anchored freighters were powered by Seagull engines. Since the Singapore harbor anchorage area was very large, these bum boats traveled lots of miles each day. The off-duty crewmen came to town and bought TVs, radios, refrigerators, washing machines, clothes, and whatever else they needed, then loaded it all back in the bum boats and were ferried out to their ship.
Connie
Ronnie Keeler wrote:
Bones,
I just happen to know where there is a late model, 5hp, Silver Century Plus (with clutch) Seagull in good condition. It was Griselda's origonal auxillary motor and is sitting in the corner of my brother's garage. He has offered to give it to me if I just come and get it. Let me know if you are interested.
Ron (whitebeard)
M17 #14, Griselda
Lake Livingston, Texas
From: bownez@juno.com Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:33 +0000 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders
Hi Joe,
The smaller inflatable kayaks are shorter than my K-1 model, so I would imagine with less wetted surface they would paddle easier and be a tad more nimble. The other kayaks I have paddled are the hard shell fiberglass/plastic models which track far better than the inflatables. I do like my K-1 for the room it offers my long legs and ability to carry some gear, plus, I can deflate her and stuff it in the cockpit. I have towed her for short distances, but Bonita would prefer to frolic through the water without a leash on! On another note, I use a foot pump with the K-1, and I can pump her up in the M17 cockpit in 5 minutes.
I'd love to own a Seagull outboard, they are classic.
Bye from Bones
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Hi Joe, Your machine will be with Whitworth nuts and bolts if it was built in '68. Britain has only gone Metric in about the past 10 years, if that long ago... Germany is on the metric system, right....? Well, Britain started the Industrial Revolution, and built pipes and plumbing fixtures which got exported to European countries. If you think that German plumbing is metric, you're wrong! German plumbing, like your 4'-8 1/2" track gauge, came from Britain, and British inch plumbing sizes are still in use in Germany today. So much for fully adopting the metric system....! Connie Joe Murphy wrote:
Connie, Thanks for the info. My FortyPlus is a '68. I'll do some research to see if that was a production year prior to or after adopting to the metric system. I have the original tools that came with it. I just assumed they were metric. I guess it's like the reason why our train tracks are four feet eight and a half inches wide. I'm sure you've heard this, but for those of you that have never heard this particular lore, it goes something like this; Because that's what it was in England. Why? Because that's the gauge the tramways used before the railroads. Why? Because the tramways were built using the same tools as wagon-builders and that's how wide the wagon wheels were spaced. Why? Because the old roads in England had ruts that the wheels needed to accommodate. Why? Because the ruts were made by Imperial Roman chariots. Why? Because that was the basic width of two horses' behinds. Joe
----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:28 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders
Hi Joe,
No it isn't.... The British had their own system for nuts and bolts - the Whitworth System. The rest of Europe operates on the Metric System. There is no compatibility between the Whitworth and the Metric Systems
Because almost all the rest of the World now uses the Metric System, the British are also adopting the metric system, however, Seagulls were first built in 1931, and they are still in business today. (Check British Seagull Outboard Motors in Google).
The only ones (older models) that I have experience with all had Whitworth nuts and bolts. The currently manufactured ones probably now have metric nuts and bolts.
Connie
Joe Murphy wrote:
Isn't the British Whitworth Standard the same thing as Metric?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders
Hi Ron,
The Seagull is total marine reliability. You can do a total overhaul of a Seagull engine in the cockpit of your boat with your on-board tools and all you need are a few Whitworth wrenches and 3/8th" Whitworth sockets to do the job.
Remember it is a British made engine; so the nuts and bolts used in the engine are made to British Whitworth Standards, and your normal U.S. SAE sockets and wrenches either won't fit on a bolt head or nut because they are too tight, or the next larger size is too loose, and you will round off the corners of the nuts and bolts.
Whitworth wrenches and sockets are available at any good automotive tool supplier. Mine were from Snap On Tools, and came to the Seagull via my MG, and two Austin-Healeys. MAC Tool Company probably has them too, and it is possible that even SEARS might have them.
As I dimly recall, there is a button on the top of the carburetor float bowl that you have to push down until fuel comes out the top of the cover. This is the first step in the starting procedure, and insures that you have enough fuel in the float bowl to start the engine. Then you close the choke, wind the starter rope around the flywheel; advance the throttle a bit and, ...pull, ....and with some experience, it should start on the second or third pull.
When I was in Singapore, all the bum boats that ferry crewmen to and from their anchored freighters were powered by Seagull engines. Since the Singapore harbor anchorage area was very large, these bum boats traveled lots of miles each day. The off-duty crewmen came to town and bought TVs, radios, refrigerators, washing machines, clothes, and whatever else they needed, then loaded it all back in the bum boats and were ferried out to their ship.
Connie
Ronnie Keeler wrote:
Bones,
I just happen to know where there is a late model, 5hp, Silver Century Plus (with clutch) Seagull in good condition. It was Griselda's origonal auxillary motor and is sitting in the corner of my brother's garage. He has offered to give it to me if I just come and get it. Let me know if you are interested.
Ron (whitebeard)
M17 #14, Griselda
Lake Livingston, Texas
From: bownez@juno.com Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:33 +0000 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders
Hi Joe,
The smaller inflatable kayaks are shorter than my K-1 model, so I would imagine with less wetted surface they would paddle easier and be a tad more nimble. The other kayaks I have paddled are the hard shell fiberglass/plastic models which track far better than the inflatables. I do like my K-1 for the room it offers my long legs and ability to carry some gear, plus, I can deflate her and stuff it in the cockpit. I have towed her for short distances, but Bonita would prefer to frolic through the water without a leash on! On another note, I use a foot pump with the K-1, and I can pump her up in the M17 cockpit in 5 minutes.
I'd love to own a Seagull outboard, they are classic.
Bye from Bones
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