On the subject of whipping, I always have trouble inserting the needle through the area near the end of the rope where it was cut with a hot knife. This spot tends to be hard and the closer you get to the cut the harder it is to pass the needle through. I saw on the Grog site that he whips the line and then trims it down to the whipping with a hot knife. A simple solution to my problem, but for twenty years I haven't thought of it. I came across another good knot site; http://iwillknot.com/ It is not as detailed as Grog's site, but useful. There are many different ways to tie knots and I always seem to learn something from a specific approach. Rick Langer M15 #337 Bluebird

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Rick, A sailing friend sent it to me -I just used it today to check on 'whipping' methods rather than do my own "invented" version - you know the one you figger out on yer own -sometimes works - mine usually doesn't! Enjoy! Happy Holidays, GO