During the spring CBC we got to talking about a fall cruise and a suggestion was made to combine a cruise with the Annapolis boat show. I really liked idea of combining a cruise with the Annapolis boat show. Sailing around the the Annapolis area during the boat show is an annual favorite of mine. The true lifestyle cruising boats make this a staging area that week. They are doing their fall migration to the south and stop here to get good boat show prices on all of their necessities - (electric wine coolers? :) Almost 100 long term cruising "snow birds" anchor in Spa Creek and Weems creek but few of the them are anywhere else. I love cruising around the anchorages checking out the boats. 2003 Show Dates: Thursday, October 09, 2003 through Monday, October 13, 2003 We already have 3 boats interested so I thought I would float the idea to the entire list to see what the response is. If anyone is interested please let me know. The cruising grounds around Annapolis are plentiful and there are slips available a short distance from Annapolis. There is a free, good, public launching ramp in SPA Creek at Long 76'30 lat 38'58.2. It has free parking but may be in a low rent area. I have parked there overnight on several occaisions with no difficulty. For two shows I have anchored right near there where the water gets too shallow for the big "snow birds". This is a well protecteded area with little to no boat traffic since it is the end of the creek. There is also a very good launching ramp with excellent parking at Sandy Point State Park but if it's blowing out there is no place go. The launching area is well protected but when you leave the launching area you are directly below the Bay bridge in very exposed water. There are a couple of small marina's up the Severn river north of Annapolis which are too far from the action for the "snow birds" as well. Just to the East of the Severn is Mill Creek with a couple of nice secluded branchs and a little farther east is Whitehall creek with a couple of branchs. Both offer very nice anchorages with little to no traffic. Again they are toooo far from the action during the boat show to draw a crowd. If it is cold and blustery all of the above offer short distances and very good protection with enough interesting cruising for three days. One possible itinerary is below. Day 1, launch, raft up and ferry or water taxi to the show, back to the raft up and anchor for the night. Day 2 AM day sail with any boatless Montgomery sailors in the area, checking out all of the cruisers and explore the Whitehall creek for an evening anchorage. If no boatless Montgomery sailors are around we would skip the return drop off at Annapolis and head for the Magothy River and anchor in back of Gibson Island - a beautiful secluded view of the manicured golf course. Day 3 back to SPA Creek in that clear sparkling fall air with the leaves just turning, mmmmmmmm goood. Contingency plan if the weather is bad - Party at Al's house for 3 days! - Just kidding of course. Thanks Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15 #310 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Hi Doug, We'll be "on the road" without Carol II for most of September and October so, unfortunately, we'll most probably miss the 2003 CBR v 2.0 Keep us in the loop anyway - who knows what may happen between now and then. And add our thanks to those from the others for all your organizational efforts!! Stan & Carol
Stan, Did you buy that camper you were thinking about? It sounds like you are off on another adventure!! Doug --- Stanley Winarski <winarski@cox.net> wrote:
Hi Doug,
We'll be "on the road" without Carol II for most of September and October so, unfortunately, we'll most probably miss the 2003 CBR v 2.0
Keep us in the loop anyway - who knows what may happen between now and then.
And add our thanks to those from the others for all your organizational efforts!!
Stan & Carol
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Doug, Got the field narrowed to two choices. Next we sort out which gets selected based on price negotiations and delivery schedules. I sure wish there was some way to carry Carol II inverted on the roof - it would probably travel well but would be a real bear to get launched and recovered. Stan
Does anyone know the last year iron ballast was used in the 17? Thanks Irv
Irv: My boat is a 1986 hull number 406 and I have a glass board. Doug King's boat is a 1986 hull number 404 and I believe has the iron centerboard. I may very well have the first glass board 17 (can't find a listing for hull number 405. Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irvin Kooris" <kooris@rcn.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 6:23 PM Subject: M_Boats: Iron Ballast
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Maria, Thanks for the information. Curious to see what others have to say. Irv On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 07:18 PM, Maria Jorge wrote:
Irv: My boat is a 1986 hull number 406 and I have a glass board. Doug King's boat is a 1986 hull number 404 and I believe has the iron centerboard. I may very well have the first glass board 17 (can't find a listing for hull number 405. Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irvin Kooris" <kooris@rcn.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 6:23 PM Subject: M_Boats: Iron Ballast
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Maria, Any idea about the keel ballast is it lead or steel that can rust. Irv On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 07:18 PM, Maria Jorge wrote:
Irv: My boat is a 1986 hull number 406 and I have a glass board. Doug King's boat is a 1986 hull number 404 and I believe has the iron centerboard. I may very well have the first glass board 17 (can't find a listing for hull number 405. Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irvin Kooris" <kooris@rcn.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 6:23 PM Subject: M_Boats: Iron Ballast
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Irv: The ballast is iron on the older boats. On the boats with the glass board, I think the ballast is lead. There is also lead in the glass centerboard to keep it down. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irvin Kooris" <kooris@rcn.com> To: "Maria Jorge" <mcjorge@bellsouth.net>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:01 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Iron Ballast
Maria, Any idea about the keel ballast is it lead or steel that can rust. Irv
On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 07:18 PM, Maria Jorge wrote:
Irv: My boat is a 1986 hull number 406 and I have a glass board. Doug King's boat is a 1986 hull number 404 and I believe has the iron centerboard. I may very well have the first glass board 17 (can't find a listing for hull number 405. Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irvin Kooris" <kooris@rcn.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 6:23 PM Subject: M_Boats: Iron Ballast
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Correct, Maria. And the magnet on the back of my beer bottle opener confirms the ballast is not lead, so I'm assuming steel. I should have pictures tomorrow. I figured I'd put up a page to some pictures of the Bermuda trip for a short while, but I think the web site should remain dedicated to M-boats. In this case, I invoke web master's prerogative. It is an awesome power which I shall try not to abuse too often. Doug King At 07:18 PM 6/30/03 -0400, you wrote:
Irv: My boat is a 1986 hull number 406 and I have a glass board. Doug King's boat is a 1986 hull number 404 and I believe has the iron centerboard. I may very well have the first glass board 17 (can't find a listing for hull number 405. Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irvin Kooris" <kooris@rcn.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 6:23 PM Subject: M_Boats: Iron Ballast
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I'd like to encourage you to exercise that power, Doug: I want to see those pics. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug King To: Maria Jorge ; montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:25 AM Subject: Iron Ballast Correct, Maria. And the magnet on the back of my beer bottle opener confirms the ballast is not lead, so I'm assuming steel. I should have pictures tomorrow. I figured I'd put up a page to some pictures of the Bermuda trip for a short while, but I think the web site should remain dedicated to M-boats. In this case, I invoke web master's prerogative. It is an awesome power which I shall try not to abuse too often. Doug King At 07:18 PM 6/30/03 -0400, you wrote: Irv: My boat is a 1986 hull number 406 and I have a glass board. Doug King's boat is a 1986 hull number 404 and I believe has the iron centerboard. I may very well have the first glass board 17 (can't find a listing for hull number 405. Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irvin Kooris" <kooris@rcn.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 6:23 PM Subject: Iron Ballast Does anyone know the last year iron ballast was used in the 17? Thanks Irv
I agree bring on the pictures On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 10:06 PM, Honshells wrote:
I'd like to encourage you to exercise that power, Doug: I want to see those pics. --Craig
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Correct, Maria. And the magnet on the back of my beer bottle opener confirms the ballast is not lead, so I'm assuming steel.
I should have pictures tomorrow. I figured I'd put up a page to some pictures of the Bermuda trip for a short while, but I think the web site should remain dedicated to M-boats. In this case, I invoke web master's prerogative. It is an awesome power which I shall try not to abuse too often.
Doug King
At 07:18 PM 6/30/03 -0400, you wrote:
Irv: My boat is a 1986 hull number 406 and I have a glass board. Doug King's boat is a 1986 hull number 404 and I believe has the iron centerboard. I may very well have the first glass board 17 (can't find a listing for hull number 405. Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irvin Kooris" <kooris@rcn.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 6:23 PM Subject: Iron Ballast
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Older M17 owners: Any reason why I shouldn't drill small holes (1/4", max) through my skeg, port to starboard, toward the bottom and almost on the end, in order to mount hardware? I'd rather not go into the what and why of the hardware, I'm just curous whether drilling through the skeg is a no-no. My immediate thought is that, since I have the steel ballast, I could introduce moisture to my keel. However, I understand a glass "slurry" was used and the skeg seems very dense. Also, it's quite a distance from the bottom and back of the skeg to the area of the keel where swelling problems have occurred. I'm assuming the drilling would be very difficult, so I don't need to visit that part of the equation, I just want to know if I would be risking moisture incursion or other damage by drilling. Also, my 17' is an '84: Does anyone with a boat of similar vintage know the width of their skeg at the very back/bottom? I would be very grateful if Jerry and/or Bob could weigh in on this. Thanks!
Hi! I know from first hand experience that the skeg is not solid and is open into the keel on my 1976 M-17. Water leaking in my bottom gudgeon bolt made its way down via the transom (some sort of core was present in the '76) into the skeg and came to rest in the keel with out penetrating above the liner or showing itself in the boat. I recommend drilling right through the solid part of the hull instead. At least if that ever leaked, it would leak above the liner so you would notice it and hopefully it would stay out of your keel. My keel held more than 10 gallons of water before I finally made repairs and pumped it out. I'm hoping you're installing side scan sonar. best of luck! come to duluth! the summer is here! Martin p.s. I saw a white M-15 getting rescued by the coast guard last sunday. A crewman was apparently bailing through the port side locker as the boat was lashed to the side of an orange 30' RIB. I'm guessing that they were knocked down and their cockpit locker fell open.
Thanks, Martin!!! I think there's my answer: Leave the skeg alone! Yours is a sobering story. I appreciate your input. I'm sailing out of Lake Macatawa on Lake Michigan in Holland, MI: I'd love to trailer the Monty to MN sometime . . . --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Johnson" <martlexi@cpinternet.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 12:09 AM Subject: Older M17 Skeg Hi! I know from first hand experience that the skeg is not solid and is open into the keel on my 1976 M-17. Water leaking in my bottom gudgeon bolt made its way down via the transom (some sort of core was present in the '76) into the skeg and came to rest in the keel with out penetrating above the liner or showing itself in the boat. I recommend drilling right through the solid part of the hull instead. At least if that ever leaked, it would leak above the liner so you would notice it and hopefully it would stay out of your keel. My keel held more than 10 gallons of water before I finally made repairs and pumped it out. I'm hoping you're installing side scan sonar. best of luck! come to duluth! the summer is here! Martin p.s. I saw a white M-15 getting rescued by the coast guard last sunday. A crewman was apparently bailing through the port side locker as the boat was lashed to the side of an orange 30' RIB. I'm guessing that they were knocked down and their cockpit locker fell open.
I'm guessing, but probably we switched to lead ballast in about '88 or 89. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irvin Kooris" <kooris@rcn.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 3:23 PM Subject: M_Boats: Iron Ballast
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Doug, I am interested in the boat show cruise. Please keep me posted @ gunsblazing@charter.net Thanks, Jesse Tate Carolyn J M 15 #343 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Kelch" <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: "Montgomery" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: M_Boats: Boat show cruise
During the spring CBC we got to talking about a fall cruise and a suggestion was made to combine a cruise with the Annapolis boat show.
I really liked idea of combining a cruise with the Annapolis boat show. Sailing around the the Annapolis area during the boat show is an annual favorite of mine. The true lifestyle cruising boats make this a staging area that week. They are doing their fall migration to the south and stop here to get good boat show prices on all of their necessities - (electric wine coolers? :)
Almost 100 long term cruising "snow birds" anchor in Spa Creek and Weems creek but few of the them are anywhere else.
I love cruising around the anchorages checking out the boats.
2003 Show Dates:
Thursday, October 09, 2003 through Monday, October 13, 2003
We already have 3 boats interested so I thought I would float the idea to the entire list to see what the response is.
If anyone is interested please let me know.
The cruising grounds around Annapolis are plentiful and there are slips available a short distance from Annapolis.
There is a free, good, public launching ramp in SPA Creek at Long 76'30 lat 38'58.2. It has free parking but may be in a low rent area. I have parked there overnight on several occaisions with no difficulty. For two shows I have anchored right near there where the water gets too shallow for the big "snow birds". This is a well protecteded area with little to no boat traffic since it is the end of the creek.
There is also a very good launching ramp with excellent parking at Sandy Point State Park but if it's blowing out there is no place go. The launching area is well protected but when you leave the launching area you are directly below the Bay bridge in very exposed water.
There are a couple of small marina's up the Severn river north of Annapolis which are too far from the action for the "snow birds" as well.
Just to the East of the Severn is Mill Creek with a couple of nice secluded branchs and a little farther east is Whitehall creek with a couple of branchs. Both offer very nice anchorages with little to no traffic. Again they are toooo far from the action during the boat show to draw a crowd.
If it is cold and blustery all of the above offer short distances and very good protection with enough interesting cruising for three days.
One possible itinerary is below.
Day 1, launch, raft up and ferry or water taxi to the show, back to the raft up and anchor for the night.
Day 2 AM day sail with any boatless Montgomery sailors in the area, checking out all of the cruisers and explore the Whitehall creek for an evening anchorage. If no boatless Montgomery sailors are around we would skip the return drop off at Annapolis and head for the Magothy River and anchor in back of Gibson Island - a beautiful secluded view of the manicured golf course.
Day 3 back to SPA Creek in that clear sparkling fall air with the leaves just turning, mmmmmmmm goood.
Contingency plan if the weather is bad - Party at Al's house for 3 days! - Just kidding of course.
Thanks
Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15 #310
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Doug Kelch -
Doug King -
Honshells -
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Jerry Montgomery -
Jesse Tate -
Maria Jorge -
Martin Johnson -
Stanley Winarski