So forgive me on the confusion but I don't yet own a Montgomery. Are these boats made with foam in them to give them buoyancy even if knocked down (like a Boston Whaler)? What is the extent of a Montgomery's reserve buoyancy, what is installed at the factory? Thanks, Ben ----------------------------------------
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1. Re: M_17 Strawanza makes it to French Polynesia (E. Tony Reed) 2. blue water M17 (alien) 3. Re: from Kendall (Don Haas) 4. Wet lockers...question from Kendall (kdocter@bellsouth.net) 5. Re: Wet lockers...question from Kendall (W David Scobie) 6. Re: Wet lockers...question from Kendall (Gary M Hyde) 7. Re: Wet lockers...question from Kendall (wcampion@aol.com)
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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:15:11 -0600 From: "E. Tony Reed" Subject: Re: M_Boats: M_17 Strawanza makes it to French Polynesia To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"
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Bob,
An amazing story and certainly speaks well of the Montgomery 17. More importantly, it leaves not doubt about the ability of your shop to build a blue water boat all in 17 feet.
I will anxious to hear more about this trip.
Best Regards,
Tony Reed
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob From California Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:55 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: M_17 Strawanza makes it to French Polynesia
Hello Montgomery sailors..!
We got a message from Wilhelm and he made it non-stop to
"Rititea" (Gambier Island) on Feb 20th. (He left San Diego the
day after Thanksgiving. (November 23rd 2007)
He said he feels good and will start again in 2 weeks to
Austral Island (French Polynesia) and New Caledonia. From
there he will cross to Australia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambier_Islands
For those who are new on the list; Willy is singlehanding his
Montgomery 17 to Africa. He provisioned the boat with
enough food and water for 100 days. (He also had a hand
operated water maker). It appears he just did 90 days
solo crossing this portion of the Pacific.....WOW...
Congradulations Willi......!!
http://www.msogphotosite.com/mpage.html
Fair winds
Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227
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Message: 2 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:19:45 -0600 From: "alien" Subject: M_Boats: blue water M17 To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Bob, I find the trip to Africa very interesting and wish we could hear more details. Although this a very significant voyage, a complete circle would do so much more to inform the public of your wonderful boat. I do have trouble thinking of where he could have had a 90 day passage going East to West between the 30's. I find this site interesting and read every email. Please keep it going.
Ardell Lien
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Message: 3 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:04:33 -0800 From: "Don Haas" Subject: Re: M_Boats: from Kendall To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
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Hi Kendall;
Just to clarify - I didn't glue all the styrofoam together, just the liner. I used the plastic foam mostly because it was free, salvaged from shipping boxes from work. Plywood will work the same, and probably a lot easier too. Good luck on you project.
Don ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:02 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: from Kendall
Thanks guys for all your comments. I saw a picture on the MSOG site that showed a M-15 swamped but not turtled. The reason I'm concerned about it going over is I have two boys that at some point ask to go solo. I just don't want issues with them while I not around. But then we do the same thing when we turn them loose in a car, don't we?
Don, the glueing back of the foam was more what I had in mind. Thanks. I was thinking more in terms of lightweight plywood of something like that.
Dave, I would appreciate some pics. Thanks. kdocter@bellsouth.net
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Message: 4 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:19:55 +0000 From: kdocter@bellsouth.net Subject: M_Boats: Wet lockers...question from Kendall To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID:
Dave, I was sitting in the cabin just daydreaming about how to utilize the space better and one of the ideas that I thought of was to take the cockpit lockers out and that would open up a great deal of space as well as give me access all the way aft. Is that what happened to the later models? The design changed?
Can you send some pictures please. kdocter@bellsouth.net
Kendall in NW Louisiana M-15 #164
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Message: 5 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:41:44 -0800 (PST) From: W David Scobie Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wet lockers...question from Kendall To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Kendall:
i believe this is a owner option. don't know if this was done by jerry in '84 or by a prior owner.
yes LOTS of space, thought i always worry about putting to much all in the stern.
i'll be sharing photos shortly (need to visit the boat in winter storage today).
dave scobie M15#288, not yet named
kdocter@bellsouth.net wrote: Dave, I was sitting in the cabin just daydreaming about how to utilize the space better and one of the ideas that I thought of was to take the cockpit lockers out and that would open up a great deal of space as well as give me access all the way aft. Is that what happened to the later models? The design changed?
Can you send some pictures please. kdocter@bellsouth.net
Kendall in NW Louisiana M-15 #164
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Message: 6 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:16:32 -0800 From: Gary M Hyde Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wet lockers...question from Kendall To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Kendall: I cut out one of the cockpit lockers in my M15. Be sure to provide it with a positive lid latch, so that if you heel too far over you don't fill the cabin with water thru the locker lid that would likely fly open if not latched. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails.
On Feb 26, 2008, at 9:41 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
Kendall:
i believe this is a owner option. don't know if this was done by jerry in '84 or by a prior owner.
yes LOTS of space, thought i always worry about putting to much all in the stern.
i'll be sharing photos shortly (need to visit the boat in winter storage today).
dave scobie M15#288, not yet named
kdocter@bellsouth.net wrote: Dave, I was sitting in the cabin just daydreaming about how to utilize the space better and one of the ideas that I thought of was to take the cockpit lockers out and that would open up a great deal of space as well as give me access all the way aft. Is that what happened to the later models? The design changed?
Can you send some pictures please. kdocter@bellsouth.net
Kendall in NW Louisiana M-15 #164
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Message: 7 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:10:32 -0500 From: wcampion@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wet lockers...question from Kendall To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Gary,
That's a good thought, however, last year when I was blown over, (as Dave Scobie pointed out) I took water into the cockpit and lockers from over the gunwal and the shear force of the water rushing in, found it's way into my dry locker.? I have latches on my lockers which never opened.??The next day I opened my locker and found about 8 inches of water.??It was a good thing it was my?starboard locker, since my port locker has been cut out, and I did not have a bilge pump installed at the time.? As far as the stability of the Montgomery............if you?have buried the starboard gunwal below the water line and the cockpit is filling up with water and you don't end up swimming with the fishes...........then I don't believe?"turning turtle" will be a problem.? IMHO, however, I have turned turtle on two other boats?that I owned.? I guess I'm must be a terrible sailor to admit that one!!!? Anyone willing to?crew with me???? I guess not.?
Fairwinds to all, Skip Campion M-15 #210, Wild Guppy
-----Original Message----- From: Gary M Hyde To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 4:16 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wet lockers...question from Kendall
Kendall: I cut out one of the cockpit lockers in my M15. Be sure to provide it with a positive lid latch, so that if you heel too far over you don't fill the cabin with water thru the locker lid that would likely fly open if not latched. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails.
On Feb 26, 2008, at 9:41 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
Kendall:
i believe this is a owner option. don't know if this was done by jerry in '84 or by a prior owner.
yes LOTS of space, thought i always worry about putting to much all in the stern.
i'll be sharing photos shortly (need to visit the boat in winter storage today).
dave scobie M15#288, not yet named
kdocter@bellsouth.net wrote: Dave, I was sitting in the cabin just daydreaming about how to utilize the space better and one of the ideas that I thought of was to take the cockpit lockers out and that would open up a great deal of space as well as give me access all the way aft. Is that what happened to the later models? The design changed?
Can you send some pictures please. kdocter@bellsouth.net
Kendall in NW Louisiana M-15 #164
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ben: the M15 has 'positive flotation' in the form of foam blocks installed at the factory. the two foam locations are: under the cockpit floor, in the bow (in a screwed shut locker). the hull is solid fiberglass - not a floating sandwich like a 'whaler. so without the foam the M15 would sink. i have no idea what the 'lift potential' is for a swamped M15. thing is ... i've never read that an M15 has been swamped - neither by accident or by design. i don't believe the M17 has positive flotation. i'll be corrected if wrong ;o)- in a short bit i'm going to post some interior shots of my M15. this will show the foam locations. the link will be shared on this email list. dave scobie M15 #288, not yet named Ben Smith <productiongreatscott@hotmail.com> wrote: So forgive me on the confusion but I don't yet own a Montgomery. Are these boats made with foam in them to give them buoyancy even if knocked down (like a Boston Whaler)? What is the extent of a Montgomery's reserve buoyancy, what is installed at the factory? Thanks, Ben --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Dave: You're right on the M17 - no foam floatation. I have tried on occasion to bury the lee rail on a beam reach without success. Perhaps no need for the foam flotation in that it's stiffer than M15? Maybe some of our "seasoned" skippers can chime in on this one. Bill Larson M17 #632 W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote: ben: the M15 has 'positive flotation' in the form of foam blocks installed at the factory. the two foam locations are: under the cockpit floor, in the bow (in a screwed shut locker). the hull is solid fiberglass - not a floating sandwich like a 'whaler. so without the foam the M15 would sink. i have no idea what the 'lift potential' is for a swamped M15. thing is ... i've never read that an M15 has been swamped - neither by accident or by design. i don't believe the M17 has positive flotation. i'll be corrected if wrong ;o)- in a short bit i'm going to post some interior shots of my M15. this will show the foam locations. the link will be shared on this email list. dave scobie M15 #288, not yet named Ben Smith wrote: So forgive me on the confusion but I don't yet own a Montgomery. Are these boats made with foam in them to give them buoyancy even if knocked down (like a Boston Whaler)? What is the extent of a Montgomery's reserve buoyancy, what is installed at the factory? Thanks, Ben --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Dave: I think you are right. The M15 is required to have floatation, about 10 cubic feet if I remember what Jerry emailed me once. The M17 is in a larger class and isn't required to have it. --Gary On Feb 26, 2008, at 4:11 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
ben:
the M15 has 'positive flotation' in the form of foam blocks installed at the factory. the two foam locations are: under the cockpit floor, in the bow (in a screwed shut locker).
the hull is solid fiberglass - not a floating sandwich like a 'whaler. so without the foam the M15 would sink. i have no idea what the 'lift potential' is for a swamped M15. thing is ... i've never read that an M15 has been swamped - neither by accident or by design.
i don't believe the M17 has positive flotation. i'll be corrected if wrong ;o)-
in a short bit i'm going to post some interior shots of my M15. this will show the foam locations. the link will be shared on this email list.
dave scobie M15 #288, not yet named
Ben Smith <productiongreatscott@hotmail.com> wrote:
So forgive me on the confusion but I don't yet own a Montgomery. Are these boats made with foam in them to give them buoyancy even if knocked down (like a Boston Whaler)? What is the extent of a Montgomery's reserve buoyancy, what is installed at the factory?
Thanks, Ben
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