sounds like SCSA all over again thanks phil On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:48 PM, douglas kelch wrote:

I have done nothing to my M15 to increase the air flow in the cabin and I comfortably slept in it about 30 nights a year on the East Coast.

I sleep with the hatch boards out and the sliding hatch open and my head under the opening

If the air is light I anchor by the stern and usually get a light breeze into the cabin.

If the mosquitios are bad I have a netting with lead around the edges that covers the entire open area.

If it rains in the night and I did not put up the boom tent I pop up a golf umbrella over the opening.

I only put up the boom tent if I need privacy or a foul weather is on the way as it decreases the air flow substantially.

When I anchor by the stern for the night I lead the anchor line from the stern cleat to the bow cleat so that if a storm comes up I can just release the line on the stern and the boat will swing bow to the wind.

If there is a very light chop on the water the stern anchoring can be noisy.

Thanks

Doug Kelch

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Rich Makela <richmak@makelaperformance.com>wrote:

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Tim,

My M17 has a Nicro Solar Vent mounted in the overhead hatch cover. It's a battery-powered fan with a solar charger that runs 24/7 all summer. I also installed a couple of louvered vents at the bottom of the entry hatch cover to let fresh air in. It has worked great for 13 years.

Rich Makela M-17 Harmony

-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim Erwin Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 9:49 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: M15. Air circulation in cabin

I would appreciate any feedback on the subject of getting air moving in the cabin. Thanks. Tim

Sent from my iPad

Doug and I are talking about different situations. The role of the Solar Vent is to maintain air circulation when the boat is unoccupied and closed up at the buoy or berth. With no circulation condensation at night results in stinky mold growing in the cabin. Rich -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of douglas kelch Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 12:49 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15. Air circulation in cabin I have done nothing to my M15 to increase the air flow in the cabin and I comfortably slept in it about 30 nights a year on the East Coast. I sleep with the hatch boards out and the sliding hatch open and my head under the opening If the air is light I anchor by the stern and usually get a light breeze into the cabin. If the mosquitios are bad I have a netting with lead around the edges that covers the entire open area. If it rains in the night and I did not put up the boom tent I pop up a golf umbrella over the opening. I only put up the boom tent if I need privacy or a foul weather is on the way as it decreases the air flow substantially. When I anchor by the stern for the night I lead the anchor line from the stern cleat to the bow cleat so that if a storm comes up I can just release the line on the stern and the boat will swing bow to the wind. If there is a very light chop on the water the stern anchoring can be noisy. Thanks Doug Kelch On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Rich Makela <richmak@makelaperformance.com>wrote:

Tim,

My M17 has a Nicro Solar Vent mounted in the overhead hatch cover. It's a battery-powered fan with a solar charger that runs 24/7 all summer. I also installed a couple of louvered vents at the bottom of the entry hatch cover to let fresh air in. It has worked great for 13 years.

Rich Makela M-17 Harmony

-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim Erwin Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 9:49 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: M15. Air circulation in cabin

I would appreciate any feedback on the subject of getting air moving in the cabin. Thanks. Tim

Sent from my iPad

Joe, I have the 3" Day/Night Plus, which I installed in 2006. It replaced the original Day/Night 2000 which I installed in 2000. They last a long time, but not forever. As I recall, the old one gave up charging for some reason. (My 13 years should be corrected to 12). I've never noticed any evidence of water intrusion. The air flow path leads down and horizontal at the outlet, so it would take one heck of a blow to force water back through the fan. Rich -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:27 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15. Air circulation in cabin Rich, Which size Nicro Solar Vent did you get? Do you ever have any problems with water intrusion?? Thanks, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Makela To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 11:07 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15. Air circulation in cabin Tim, My M17 has a Nicro Solar Vent mounted in the overhead hatch cover. It's a battery-powered fan with a solar charger that runs 24/7 all summer. I also installed a couple of louvered vents at the bottom of the entry hatch cover to let fresh air in. It has worked great for 13 years. Rich Makela M-17 Harmony -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim Erwin Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 9:49 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: M15. Air circulation in cabin I would appreciate any feedback on the subject of getting air moving in the cabin. Thanks. Tim Sent from my iPad

I have a Richie compass on the portside bulkhead. I'd like to put my remote mike for the VHF and a 12V outlet as well as a Uniden QT206 depth sounder on the same bulkhead. I've heard that I need to twist all the 12v wiring as a start but will all this electrical stuff interfere with my compass? I'd like to keep all the electronic stuff on the port side because it is a shorter and easier wiring path to the battery. Thanks much. Joe SeaFrog M17

How far away are you saying? Are you talking about the wiring or the depth sounder itself? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Scobie To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 5:01 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Electical Stuff near the compass Joe: you are correct. twisting the wire will reduce the chance of interference ... but not a 100% guarantee. best though, to keep all electrical and metal as far away from compass as possible. :: Dave Scobie --- On Sun, 9/30/12, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:

I have a Richie compass on the portside bulkhead. I'd like to put my remote mike for the VHF and a 12V outlet as well as a Uniden QT206 depth sounder on the same bulkhead. I've heard that I need to twist all the 12v wiring as a start but will all this electrical stuff interfere with my compass? I'd like to keep all the electronic stuff on the port side because it is a shorter and easier wiring path to the battery. Thanks much. Joe SeaFrog M17

I think that's how I'll have to go. Running the wiring from the starboard side bulkhead back to the V berth complicates things. Thanks, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Scobie To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:42 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Electical Stuff near the compass i would mount the other electrical items on the opposite cabin/cockpit bulkhead resulting in the wire run(s) to be as far as you can get them from the compass (as can be done on a 17' boat that is 7' wide). :: Dave Scobie --- On Sun, 9/30/12, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:

How far away are you saying? Are you talking about the wiring or the depth sounder itself?

Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Scobie Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 5:01 PM

Joe:

you are correct. twisting the wire will reduce the chance of interference ... but not a 100% guarantee.

best though, to keep all electrical and metal as far away from compass as possible.

:: Dave Scobie

--- On Sun, 9/30/12, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:

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I have a Richie compass on the portside bulkhead. I'd like to put my remote mike for the VHF and a 12V outlet as well as a Uniden QT206 depth sounder on the same bulkhead. I've heard that I need to twist all the 12v wiring as a start but will all this electrical stuff interfere with my compass? I'd like to keep all the electronic stuff on the port side because it is a shorter and easier wiring path to the battery. Thanks much. Joe SeaFrog M17

Boatlife- put it UNDER the rails! I would put on the rails with a screw in aboujt every three or four holes (as needed to pull the rail in position) , put masking tape along the rail to make it easier to clean up the boatlife after, then take the rail off, put a couple of beads of boatelife, then put the rails on for good. Be generous with the boatlife- it not only seals the water out but it really glues the rail on. Use 10-32 machine screws- somebody said recently that we used square-headed nuts, but we didn't; we used hex nuts. If yu have to bujy new screws, be sure they're 10-32; they are stronger than 10-24's and it's a nitemare to have both on the same boat! Keep yoour spirits up! jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam and dana" <denko@broadstripe.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 7:56 AM Subject: M_Boats: Sealant for hull-deck joint

A question for Jerry, Dave Scobie, and others who have re-done their hull-deck joint: what kind of sealant should I put in that space? Is some sort of sealant/caulk used after the aluminum toe rail is installed? Thanks,

Pam

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