We use a 3.5 gallon (sometimes a 6 gallon) plastic fuel tank secured in the back of the cockpit. We use a rubber fuel hose with a rubber bulb pump to pump fuel from the plastic tank through a modified fuel cap on the motor and periodically fill the tank on the motor. The cap is modified by drilling a hole in the middle of it and screwing in a fitting to take the rubber hose. We usually get a couple of hours on a tank in the motor so end up pumping it full every hour or so if we are motoring continuously. Usually takes 10 to 30 squeezes of the bulb to fill the tank back up. It is a system I learned about in this forum and works great. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 04:09:44 +0000 From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> Subject: M_Boats: Fuel transfer at ses To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <BY5PR13MB3859156E1A7AA57D6CB16EABD58E9@BY5PR13MB3859.nam prd13.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" How do you add fuel to outboard motor in rough sea? Capt Jim SV Pelican M15 Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ------------------------------
Great ideas. Has any of you skippers ever lost the gas cap…a friend of mind has this problem at $18 … the cap needs a better teather Capt Jim Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 6:57:29 AM To: For and About Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>; Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> Subject: Subject: M_Boats: Fuel transfer at ses We use a 3.5 gallon (sometimes a 6 gallon) plastic fuel tank secured in the back of the cockpit. We use a rubber fuel hose with a rubber bulb pump to pump fuel from the plastic tank through a modified fuel cap on the motor and periodically fill the tank on the motor. The cap is modified by drilling a hole in the middle of it and screwing in a fitting to take the rubber hose. We usually get a couple of hours on a tank in the motor so end up pumping it full every hour or so if we are motoring continuously. Usually takes 10 to 30 squeezes of the bulb to fill the tank back up. It is a system I learned about in this forum and works great. David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 04:09:44 +0000 From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com<mailto:jimsadler@jascopacific.com>> Subject: M_Boats: Fuel transfer at ses To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com<mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID: <BY5PR13MB3859156E1A7AA57D6CB16EABD58E9@BY5PR13MB3859.nam<mailto:BY5PR13MB3859156E1A7AA57D6CB16EABD58E9@BY5PR13MB3859.nam> prd13.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" How do you add fuel to outboard motor in rough sea? Capt Jim SV Pelican M15 Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ------------------------------
Yep this is a great approach...thanks David you beat me to it. If you have a motor where you can't tap into the fuel tank directly, you can still have the remote tank with hose and bulb pump. The hose will just be stowed - with the free end plugged, or a small nylon or brass on/off valve on it - until you need to add fuel. When you need to add fuel to the motor's tank you can just remove the cap, put the hose in, and pump the bulb. No need to lean out over the stern with a jug or bottle and very low odds of spilling gas. I add this because most new small outboards have the kind of gas caps where there is an inner shell and an outer shell, and they 'click' when rotating to tighten. The outer shell of the cap is rotating around the inner shell. So you can't drill a fitting thru the cap, because it will have to go thru both pieces of the cap (inner and outer) and the cap will no longer work as designed. Older outboards with simple one piece solid plastic caps, as David says you can put a connector fitting thru the cap. cheers, John On 11/5/21 6:57 AM, David Grah via montgomery_boats wrote:
We use a 3.5 gallon (sometimes a 6 gallon) plastic fuel tank secured in the back of the cockpit. We use a rubber fuel hose with a rubber bulb pump to pump fuel from the plastic tank through a modified fuel cap on the motor and periodically fill the tank on the motor. The cap is modified by drilling a hole in the middle of it and screwing in a fitting to take the rubber hose. We usually get a couple of hours on a tank in the motor so end up pumping it full every hour or so if we are motoring continuously. Usually takes 10 to 30 squeezes of the bulb to fill the tank back up. It is a system I learned about in this forum and works great. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15
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Dave n others, how are you securing the fuel tank in the back of the cockpit (added eyes for a bungee?) and what do you do to vent the tank and keep it from heating up in the sun- just leave the vent open all the time? Or some kind of pressure valve? I’d love a setup I could leave in place but given our sunny berth and the m15s lack of an isolated gas locker, I take the gas can home after every sail. Daydream of a wooden locker that would fit in stern where I could leave tank out of sun, but can’t decide if it’s over complicating things. Thanks other Dave for the detailed notes on fuel usage-that went straight to my boat notes for future trip planning! Alex On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 6:57 AM David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
We use a 3.5 gallon (sometimes a 6 gallon) plastic fuel tank secured in the back of the cockpit. We use a rubber fuel hose with a rubber bulb pump to pump fuel from the plastic tank through a modified fuel cap on the motor and periodically fill the tank on the motor. The cap is modified by drilling a hole in the middle of it and screwing in a fitting to take the rubber hose. We usually get a couple of hours on a tank in the motor so end up pumping it full every hour or so if we are motoring continuously. Usually takes 10 to 30 squeezes of the bulb to fill the tank back up. It is a system I learned about in this forum and works great. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 04:09:44 +0000 From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> Subject: M_Boats: Fuel transfer at ses To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <BY5PR13MB3859156E1A7AA57D6CB16EABD58E9@BY5PR13MB3859.nam prd13.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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Alex: I've never worried about venting ... actually current law says venting is a no-no. I just set the No-Spill fuel cans (or can if I'm not cruising) at the aft end of the cockpit floor. NEVER in a locker or below. I've never secured them though if I was planning a long trip with known high seas, say Inside Passage to Alaska, I'd add some eye straps to the aft end cockpit. I have placed the fuel cannisters in a shady location of the cockpit when at a mooring - what I did in Colorado. (AIR BORN is tied bow facing west-ish so put the fuel container forward by the companionwan when at dock so cannister only saw a little morning sun.) :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Sat, Nov 6, 2021, 9:03 AM Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave n others, how are you securing the fuel tank in the back of the cockpit (added eyes for a bungee?) and what do you do to vent the tank and keep it from heating up in the sun- just leave the vent open all the time? Or some kind of pressure valve? I’d love a setup I could leave in place but given our sunny berth and the m15s lack of an isolated gas locker, I take the gas can home after every sail. Daydream of a wooden locker that would fit in stern where I could leave tank out of sun, but can’t decide if it’s over complicating things.
Thanks other Dave for the detailed notes on fuel usage-that went straight to my boat notes for future trip planning!
Alex
My M17 came with a rear platform/seat that was built into the rear of the cockpit, between the seats at aft end, but removable. It would serve to shade a gas can or tank tucked under it. It was poorly done, peeling paint, etc. and I removed it, to refinish and re-install something nicer eventually. Haven't done that yet...but it would shade the tank from direct sun most of the time. Meanwhile modern plastic gas cans/tanks will just swell up when hot and shrink back when cool. All I've ever seen will leak some vapor when puffed up/hot so never put 'em inside the boat (or car!). And yes, bungee cord(s) to eyes on cockpit well sides to keep the gas container in place. cheers, John On 11/6/21 9:03 AM, Alex Conley wrote:
Dave n others, how are you securing the fuel tank in the back of the cockpit (added eyes for a bungee?) and what do you do to vent the tank and keep it from heating up in the sun- just leave the vent open all the time? Or some kind of pressure valve? I’d love a setup I could leave in place but given our sunny berth and the m15s lack of an isolated gas locker, I take the gas can home after every sail. Daydream of a wooden locker that would fit in stern where I could leave tank out of sun, but can’t decide if it’s over complicating things.
Thanks other Dave for the detailed notes on fuel usage-that went straight to my boat notes for future trip planning!
Alex
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