I feel already that GOOGLE and other search engines that are already tied to YouTube and Facebook data mine too much information.

GOOGLE and Facebook and YouTube DO mine information. an example is GOOGLE and Youtube and Facebook asking your for your phone number as 'security' in case you loose your password.  nope, this is how these companies make money.  remember, there is no free lunch and if you see a 'free' service there IS a catch.

I get these POP UPs,

if you get these you likely have a virus.  all current browsers have blocking abilities (unless you don't have them activated).  i see no popups in my browsing and have my computers set so 'tight' that the places the do need a popup to do something i want must ask for a site & time specific approval from me to show the page/data.

the horse is already out of the barn.

the only way to have zero spam is to have no www-presence  ... as in you you are never on the www from your own home, don't have facebook nor youtube accounts, and have NO email (etc). my home phone and cell phone are 'unlisted'.  i still get 'spam' phone calls because robo dialers just 'call' every number in a sequence.  'robo' emailers do the same thing and just send out email to all available address combinations. :: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine --- On Mon, 3/26/12, Keith Diehl <kdiehl@xmission.com> wrote:

Bob, I understand your concern, but our email addresses are already available all over the net.  Yours appears on your web site, trailersailer.com, and lots of other locations as shown by a quick google search. As the saying goes, the horse is already out of the barn.

In your mail program setup, you are asked for a name and an email address. The information is displayed in mail headers as "name" <email@address.xxx>. For example, From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl@xmission.com>, or From: "Bob Eeg" <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>. It appears that the Lurker search program only displays the email name and not the address, but I'm not going to say that email addresses might not be exposed now or in the future. It's the internet!

Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Eeg" <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>     <<<---------- JUST LIKE THIS To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives

Keith....my concern is a computer-bot program that will be data mining all of our email addresses and other information.

Is there anyway you could put a human required firewall question up front so a rogue program would be stopped before entering? Much like tinypic.com does before you download a photo. They give you a script to type into a box to make sure you're not a machine that is data mining. If you can't protect our email addresses from this, I would ask that you remove my information that has my email addresses attached.

What is so hard about requiring a simple sign up (a bot program could not sign up) before accessing information?

I feel already that GOOGLE and other search engines that are already tied to YouTube and Facebook data mine too much information. I get these POP UPs, web ads and rogue emails constantly.

Anyway to protect our email addresses Keith?

Thanks Bob

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From: kdiehl@xmission.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:31:32 -0600 Subject: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives

I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against.

Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and enable the search engine?

Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl@xmission.com> To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives

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In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite understood the concern, since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, but that was what was wanted.

The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the membership:

Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines?

As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search > engine page for Xmission hosted public lists;

http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html

Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT

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