I use the Torqeedo travel 1103 (3hp) and love it. I carry the battery home for a recharge each time I use it. (No-one will steal my motor) Range varies GREATLY when run at higher speeds. It could vary from 2 miles to 15 miles. It pushes the 15 easily to 5mph. A backup battery would be great but I can't justify the expense. I normally only use a motor for getting off the dock and out of the harbor so never had a range issue. I particularly like the speedometer on the throttle and the GPS which constantly updates the range left. Did I mentioned that it's quiet?....😉 On June 19, 2023, at 11:28 PM, Jennifer Wood <jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote: Myself, I've been holding out for the right electric outboard. Theoretically I could get 4 hours (if you believe the brochure), and a spare battery down below Too spendy for me to try it yet though... On Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:13 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Seeing this thread on fuel can storage makes me think of one of those winter projects I haven't gotten to- an insert for the aft end of the cockpit of my M15. Its an area that really doesn't get any use, other than to hold one feet when you stretch out to enjoy the stars- the insert would turn it into shaded storage for a gas can or two, a tray for loose stuff in the cockpit, maybe drink holders, maybe a handy spot for the legally-required throw cushion that would also double as foot rest when lying down. I've put a rough sketch of the concept below; curious if anyone else has worked up something like this. I've got an alternate version in mind that is a drop in battery holder/trolling motor mount only for use on those mornings when the lake is glass and the fish are calling.
Alex
[image: Add-in stern storage.jpg]
On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 3:52 PM David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I'm catching up to this thread a little late and haven't followed each twist. I run our new Honda 2.3 (and the Honda 2 before it) at very low throttle settings most of the time. On flat water I typically set the throttle just above what it takes for the centrifugal clutch to fully engage and that pushes our Montgomery 15 along at about 3.8 miles per hour. At those throttle settings we typically get between 2 and 2.5 hours on a tank, which I believe is around a liter. For fuel on long trips, we use an external tank with a rubber fuel line and a bulb pump rigged to connect to a modified spare fuel cap on the motor. It takes about 30 pumps of the bulb to fill the tank when empty. If there is not much going on, we normally run the tank down until the motor starts to falter and then pump the tank full. We've done numerous week long trips and this approach has always worked well for us. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 10:23:04 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Aux fuel To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6crkUaMGo0QzGWtkZFR18v_=+-C6yCAE324RGWCjC1WA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Honda 2/2.3 at about 1/2 throttle (more than enough for a M15, Sage 15, SageCat, and Sage 17), burn about a little under a liter and hour (aka one tank of fuel). My practice is to refill the tank every 45-50 minutes so the motor will restart on a single pull (if you run dry multiple pulls needed to get fuel into carb).
I recommend using a 'No-Spill' brand gas can. For day sailing I had a 1-gallon that was easy to lift and fill motor. For cruising had an additional 2.5gallon can. Would transfer fuel from 2.5 to 1 gallon can for easy filling the motor.
Info on 'No-Spill' - https://nospill.com/
The 3.5 gallons in cans and a full motor tank gives 15+ hours of range.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
A difference of 2-15 miles?! Uhhh, no thanks. I need more predictability than that. At the expense of those motors you’d think there was a more reliable range when you really need it. What if there was an emergency or ann unpredicted weather change and you’re at the 2 mile range? I’ll stick to my Honda 2 at a fraction of the price. www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
On Jun 20, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Mike Epp (Hickory Lane Farms) <mike43067@gmail.com> wrote:
I use the Torqeedo travel 1103 (3hp) and love it. I carry the battery home for a recharge each time I use it. (No-one will steal my motor) Range varies GREATLY when run at higher speeds. It could vary from 2 miles to 15 miles. It pushes the 15 easily to 5mph. A backup battery would be great but I can't justify the expense. I normally only use a motor for getting off the dock and out of the harbor so never had a range issue. I particularly like the speedometer on the throttle and the GPS which constantly updates the range left. Did I mentioned that it's quiet?....😉
On June 19, 2023, at 11:28 PM, Jennifer Wood <jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote:
Myself, I've been holding out for the right electric outboard. Theoretically I could get 4 hours (if you believe the brochure), and a spare battery down below
Too spendy for me to try it yet though...
On Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:13 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Seeing this thread on fuel can storage makes me think of one of those winter projects I haven't gotten to- an insert for the aft end of the cockpit of my M15. Its an area that really doesn't get any use, other than to hold one feet when you stretch out to enjoy the stars- the insert would turn it into shaded storage for a gas can or two, a tray for loose stuff in the cockpit, maybe drink holders, maybe a handy spot for the legally-required throw cushion that would also double as foot rest when lying down. I've put a rough sketch of the concept below; curious if anyone else has worked up something like this. I've got an alternate version in mind that is a drop in battery holder/trolling motor mount only for use on those mornings when the lake is glass and the fish are calling.
Alex
[image: Add-in stern storage.jpg]
On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 3:52 PM David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I'm catching up to this thread a little late and haven't followed each twist. I run our new Honda 2.3 (and the Honda 2 before it) at very low throttle settings most of the time. On flat water I typically set the throttle just above what it takes for the centrifugal clutch to fully engage and that pushes our Montgomery 15 along at about 3.8 miles per hour. At those throttle settings we typically get between 2 and 2.5 hours on a tank, which I believe is around a liter. For fuel on long trips, we use an external tank with a rubber fuel line and a bulb pump rigged to connect to a modified spare fuel cap on the motor. It takes about 30 pumps of the bulb to fill the tank when empty. If there is not much going on, we normally run the tank down until the motor starts to falter and then pump the tank full. We've done numerous week long trips and this approach has always worked well for us. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 10:23:04 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Aux fuel To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6crkUaMGo0QzGWtkZFR18v_=+-C6yCAE324RGWCjC1WA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Honda 2/2.3 at about 1/2 throttle (more than enough for a M15, Sage 15, SageCat, and Sage 17), burn about a little under a liter and hour (aka one tank of fuel). My practice is to refill the tank every 45-50 minutes so the motor will restart on a single pull (if you run dry multiple pulls needed to get fuel into carb).
I recommend using a 'No-Spill' brand gas can. For day sailing I had a 1-gallon that was easy to lift and fill motor. For cruising had an additional 2.5gallon can. Would transfer fuel from 2.5 to 1 gallon can for easy filling the motor.
Info on 'No-Spill' - https://nospill.com/
The 3.5 gallons in cans and a full motor tank gives 15+ hours of range.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
The point being...wide open you'll get 2-3 miles but at a moderate speed you can get far more. You can see this range move up and down on the readout when you twist the throttle. With a light breeze you can motor sail which she loves and greatly extends the range. It works great for my situation on an inland lake. On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 12:22 PM Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
A difference of 2-15 miles?! Uhhh, no thanks. I need more predictability than that. At the expense of those motors you’d think there was a more reliable range when you really need it. What if there was an emergency or ann unpredicted weather change and you’re at the 2 mile range? I’ll stick to my Honda 2 at a fraction of the price.
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
On Jun 20, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Mike Epp (Hickory Lane Farms) < mike43067@gmail.com> wrote:
I use the Torqeedo travel 1103 (3hp) and love it. I carry the battery home for a recharge each time I use it. (No-one will steal my motor) Range varies GREATLY when run at higher speeds. It could vary from 2 miles to 15 miles. It pushes the 15 easily to 5mph. A backup battery would be great but I can't justify the expense. I normally only use a motor for getting off the dock and out of the harbor so never had a range issue. I particularly like the speedometer on the throttle and the GPS which constantly updates the range left. Did I mentioned that it's quiet?....😉
On June 19, 2023, at 11:28 PM, Jennifer Wood < jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote:
Myself, I've been holding out for the right electric outboard. Theoretically I could get 4 hours (if you believe the brochure), and a spare battery down below
Too spendy for me to try it yet though...
On Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:13 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Seeing this thread on fuel can storage makes me think of one of those winter projects I haven't gotten to- an insert for the aft end of the cockpit of my M15. Its an area that really doesn't get any use, other than to hold one feet when you stretch out to enjoy the stars- the insert would turn it into shaded storage for a gas can or two, a tray for loose stuff in the cockpit, maybe drink holders, maybe a handy spot for the legally-required throw cushion that would also double as foot rest when lying down. I've put a rough sketch of the concept below; curious if anyone else has worked up something like this. I've got an alternate version in mind that is a drop in battery holder/trolling motor mount only for use on those mornings when the lake is glass and the fish are calling.
Alex
[image: Add-in stern storage.jpg]
On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 3:52 PM David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I'm catching up to this thread a little late and haven't followed each twist. I run our new Honda 2.3 (and the Honda 2 before it) at very low throttle settings most of the time. On flat water I typically set the throttle just above what it takes for the centrifugal clutch to fully engage and that pushes our Montgomery 15 along at about 3.8 miles per hour. At those throttle settings we typically get between 2 and 2.5 hours on a tank, which I believe is around a liter. For fuel on long trips, we use an external tank with a rubber fuel line and a bulb pump rigged to connect to a modified spare fuel cap on the motor. It takes about 30 pumps of the bulb to fill the tank when empty. If there is not much going on, we normally run the tank down until the motor starts to falter and then pump the tank full. We've done numerous week long trips and this approach has always worked well for us. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 10:23:04 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Aux fuel To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6crkUaMGo0QzGWtkZFR18v_=+-C6yCAE324RGWCjC1WA@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Honda 2/2.3 at about 1/2 throttle (more than enough for a M15, Sage 15, SageCat, and Sage 17), burn about a little under a liter and hour (aka one tank of fuel). My practice is to refill the tank every 45-50 minutes so the motor will restart on a single pull (if you run dry multiple pulls needed to get fuel into carb).
I recommend using a 'No-Spill' brand gas can. For day sailing I had a 1-gallon that was easy to lift and fill motor. For cruising had an additional 2.5gallon can. Would transfer fuel from 2.5 to 1 gallon can for easy filling the motor.
Info on 'No-Spill' - https://nospill.com/
The 3.5 gallons in cans and a full motor tank gives 15+ hours of range.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
pretty much like a gas engine, then On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:29 PM Mike Epp <mike43067@gmail.com> wrote:
The point being...wide open you'll get 2-3 miles but at a moderate speed you can get far more. You can see this range move up and down on the readout when you twist the throttle. With a light breeze you can motor sail which she loves and greatly extends the range. It works great for my situation on an inland lake.
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 12:22 PM Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
A difference of 2-15 miles?! Uhhh, no thanks. I need more predictability than that. At the expense of those motors you’d think there was a more reliable range when you really need it. What if there was an emergency or ann unpredicted weather change and you’re at the 2 mile range? I’ll stick to my Honda 2 at a fraction of the price.
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
On Jun 20, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Mike Epp (Hickory Lane Farms) < mike43067@gmail.com> wrote:
I use the Torqeedo travel 1103 (3hp) and love it. I carry the battery home for a recharge each time I use it. (No-one will steal my motor) Range varies GREATLY when run at higher speeds. It could vary from 2 miles to 15 miles. It pushes the 15 easily to 5mph. A backup battery would be great but I can't justify the expense. I normally only use a motor for getting off the dock and out of the harbor so never had a range issue. I particularly like the speedometer on the throttle and the GPS which constantly updates the range left. Did I mentioned that it's quiet?....😉
On June 19, 2023, at 11:28 PM, Jennifer Wood < jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote:
Myself, I've been holding out for the right electric outboard. Theoretically I could get 4 hours (if you believe the brochure), and a spare battery down below
Too spendy for me to try it yet though...
On Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:13 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Seeing this thread on fuel can storage makes me think of one of those winter projects I haven't gotten to- an insert for the aft end of the cockpit of my M15. Its an area that really doesn't get any use, other than to hold one feet when you stretch out to enjoy the stars- the insert would turn it into shaded storage for a gas can or two, a tray for loose stuff in the cockpit, maybe drink holders, maybe a handy spot for the legally-required throw cushion that would also double as foot rest when lying down. I've put a rough sketch of the concept below; curious if anyone else has worked up something like this. I've got an alternate version in mind that is a drop in battery holder/trolling motor mount only for use on those mornings when the lake is glass and the fish are calling.
Alex
[image: Add-in stern storage.jpg]
On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 3:52 PM David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I'm catching up to this thread a little late and haven't followed each twist. I run our new Honda 2.3 (and the Honda 2 before it) at very low throttle settings most of the time. On flat water I typically set the throttle just above what it takes for the centrifugal clutch to fully engage and that pushes our Montgomery 15 along at about 3.8 miles per hour. At those throttle settings we typically get between 2 and 2.5 hours on a tank, which I believe is around a liter. For fuel on long trips, we use an external tank with a rubber fuel line and a bulb pump rigged to connect to a modified spare fuel cap on the motor. It takes about 30 pumps of the bulb to fill the tank when empty. If there is not much going on, we normally run the tank down until the motor starts to falter and then pump the tank full. We've done numerous week long trips and this approach has always worked well for us. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 10:23:04 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Aux fuel To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6crkUaMGo0QzGWtkZFR18v_=+- C6yCAE324RGWCjC1WA@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Honda 2/2.3 at about 1/2 throttle (more than enough for a M15, Sage 15, SageCat, and Sage 17), burn about a little under a liter and hour (aka one tank of fuel). My practice is to refill the tank every 45-50 minutes so the motor will restart on a single pull (if you run dry multiple pulls needed to get fuel into carb).
I recommend using a 'No-Spill' brand gas can. For day sailing I had a 1-gallon that was easy to lift and fill motor. For cruising had an additional 2.5gallon can. Would transfer fuel from 2.5 to 1 gallon can for easy filling the motor.
Info on 'No-Spill' - https://nospill.com/
The 3.5 gallons in cans and a full motor tank gives 15+ hours of range.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
-- Jennifer Wood (she/her) Itinerant musician? Try the Guide to the Universe! https://www.buskersguidetotheuniverse.org/ https://buskersguide.org <http://buskersguide.org>
yep...without the gas can, smell and noise😉 On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 2:24 PM Jennifer Wood < jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote:
pretty much like a gas engine, then
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:29 PM Mike Epp <mike43067@gmail.com> wrote:
The point being...wide open you'll get 2-3 miles but at a moderate speed you can get far more. You can see this range move up and down on the readout when you twist the throttle. With a light breeze you can motor sail which she loves and greatly extends the range. It works great for my situation on an inland lake.
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 12:22 PM Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
A difference of 2-15 miles?! Uhhh, no thanks. I need more predictability than that. At the expense of those motors you’d think there was a more reliable range when you really need it. What if there was an emergency or ann unpredicted weather change and you’re at the 2 mile range? I’ll stick to my Honda 2 at a fraction of the price.
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
On Jun 20, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Mike Epp (Hickory Lane Farms) < mike43067@gmail.com> wrote:
I use the Torqeedo travel 1103 (3hp) and love it. I carry the battery home for a recharge each time I use it. (No-one will steal my motor) Range varies GREATLY when run at higher speeds. It could vary from 2 miles to 15 miles. It pushes the 15 easily to 5mph. A backup battery would be great but I can't justify the expense. I normally only use a motor for getting off the dock and out of the harbor so never had a range issue. I particularly like the speedometer on the throttle and the GPS which constantly updates the range left. Did I mentioned that it's quiet?....😉
On June 19, 2023, at 11:28 PM, Jennifer Wood < jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote:
Myself, I've been holding out for the right electric outboard. Theoretically I could get 4 hours (if you believe the brochure), and a spare battery down below
Too spendy for me to try it yet though...
On Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:13 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Seeing this thread on fuel can storage makes me think of one of those winter projects I haven't gotten to- an insert for the aft end of the cockpit of my M15. Its an area that really doesn't get any use, other than to hold one feet when you stretch out to enjoy the stars- the insert would turn it into shaded storage for a gas can or two, a tray for loose stuff in the cockpit, maybe drink holders, maybe a handy spot for the legally-required throw cushion that would also double as foot rest when lying down. I've put a rough sketch of the concept below; curious if anyone else has worked up something like this. I've got an alternate version in mind that is a drop in battery holder/trolling motor mount only for use on those mornings when the lake is glass and the fish are calling.
Alex
[image: Add-in stern storage.jpg]
On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 3:52 PM David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I'm catching up to this thread a little late and haven't followed each twist. I run our new Honda 2.3 (and the Honda 2 before it) at very low throttle settings most of the time. On flat water I typically set the throttle just above what it takes for the centrifugal clutch to fully engage and that pushes our Montgomery 15 along at about 3.8 miles per hour. At those throttle settings we typically get between 2 and 2.5 hours on a tank, which I believe is around a liter. For fuel on long trips, we use an external tank with a rubber fuel line and a bulb pump rigged to connect to a modified spare fuel cap on the motor. It takes about 30 pumps of the bulb to fill the tank when empty. If there is not much going on, we normally run the tank down until the motor starts to falter and then pump the tank full. We've done numerous week long trips and this approach has always worked well for us. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 10:23:04 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Aux fuel To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6crkUaMGo0QzGWtkZFR18v_=+- C6yCAE324RGWCjC1WA@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Honda 2/2.3 at about 1/2 throttle (more than enough for a M15, Sage 15, SageCat, and Sage 17), burn about a little under a liter and hour (aka one tank of fuel). My practice is to refill the tank every 45-50 minutes so the motor will restart on a single pull (if you run dry multiple pulls needed to get fuel into carb).
I recommend using a 'No-Spill' brand gas can. For day sailing I had a 1-gallon that was easy to lift and fill motor. For cruising had an additional 2.5gallon can. Would transfer fuel from 2.5 to 1 gallon can for easy filling the motor.
Info on 'No-Spill' - https://nospill.com/
The 3.5 gallons in cans and a full motor tank gives 15+ hours of range.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
-- Jennifer Wood (she/her)
Itinerant musician? Try the Guide to the Universe! https://www.buskersguidetotheuniverse.org/ https://buskersguide.org <http://buskersguide.org>
+1 to the above. overall a much nicer experience with the torqeedo, and it can go a long way as long as you go slowly. I'm also on a large inland lake, if I were going to a place where I might have to fight strong currents I would bring a gas motor. On Tuesday, June 20, 2023, 11:37:17 AM PDT, Mike Epp <mike43067@gmail.com> wrote: yep...without the gas can, smell and noise😉 On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 2:24 PM Jennifer Wood < jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote:
pretty much like a gas engine, then
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:29 PM Mike Epp <mike43067@gmail.com> wrote:
The point being...wide open you'll get 2-3 miles but at a moderate speed you can get far more. You can see this range move up and down on the readout when you twist the throttle. With a light breeze you can motor sail which she loves and greatly extends the range. It works great for my situation on an inland lake.
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 12:22 PM Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
A difference of 2-15 miles?! Uhhh, no thanks. I need more predictability than that. At the expense of those motors you’d think there was a more reliable range when you really need it. What if there was an emergency or ann unpredicted weather change and you’re at the 2 mile range? I’ll stick to my Honda 2 at a fraction of the price.
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
On Jun 20, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Mike Epp (Hickory Lane Farms) < mike43067@gmail.com> wrote:
I use the Torqeedo travel 1103 (3hp) and love it. I carry the battery home for a recharge each time I use it. (No-one will steal my motor) Range varies GREATLY when run at higher speeds. It could vary from 2 miles to 15 miles. It pushes the 15 easily to 5mph. A backup battery would be great but I can't justify the expense. I normally only use a motor for getting off the dock and out of the harbor so never had a range issue. I particularly like the speedometer on the throttle and the GPS which constantly updates the range left. Did I mentioned that it's quiet?....😉
On June 19, 2023, at 11:28 PM, Jennifer Wood < jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote:
Myself, I've been holding out for the right electric outboard. Theoretically I could get 4 hours (if you believe the brochure), and a spare battery down below
Too spendy for me to try it yet though...
On Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:13 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Seeing this thread on fuel can storage makes me think of one of those winter projects I haven't gotten to- an insert for the aft end of the cockpit of my M15. Its an area that really doesn't get any use, other than to hold one feet when you stretch out to enjoy the stars- the insert would turn it into shaded storage for a gas can or two, a tray for loose stuff in the cockpit, maybe drink holders, maybe a handy spot for the legally-required throw cushion that would also double as foot rest when lying down. I've put a rough sketch of the concept below; curious if anyone else has worked up something like this. I've got an alternate version in mind that is a drop in battery holder/trolling motor mount only for use on those mornings when the lake is glass and the fish are calling.
Alex
[image: Add-in stern storage.jpg]
On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 3:52 PM David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I'm catching up to this thread a little late and haven't followed each twist. I run our new Honda 2.3 (and the Honda 2 before it) at very low throttle settings most of the time. On flat water I typically set the throttle just above what it takes for the centrifugal clutch to fully engage and that pushes our Montgomery 15 along at about 3.8 miles per hour. At those throttle settings we typically get between 2 and 2.5 hours on a tank, which I believe is around a liter. For fuel on long trips, we use an external tank with a rubber fuel line and a bulb pump rigged to connect to a modified spare fuel cap on the motor. It takes about 30 pumps of the bulb to fill the tank when empty. If there is not much going on, we normally run the tank down until the motor starts to falter and then pump the tank full. We've done numerous week long trips and this approach has always worked well for us. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 10:23:04 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Aux fuel To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats   <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID:   <CAGjBOA6crkUaMGo0QzGWtkZFR18v_=+- C6yCAE324RGWCjC1WA@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Honda 2/2.3 at about 1/2 throttle (more than enough for a M15, Sage 15, SageCat, and Sage 17), burn about a little under a liter and hour (aka one tank of fuel). My practice is to refill the tank every 45-50 minutes so the motor will restart on a single pull (if you run dry multiple pulls needed to get fuel into carb).
I recommend using a 'No-Spill' brand gas can. For day sailing I had a 1-gallon that was easy to lift and fill motor. For cruising had an additional 2.5gallon can. Would transfer fuel from 2.5 to 1 gallon can for easy filling the motor.
Info on 'No-Spill' - https://nospill.com/
The 3.5 gallons in cans and a full motor tank gives 15+ hours of range.
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Sure...except there's no such thing as a 1 (or 2 or 3.5) gallon jug full of battery juice that one can just pour in and keep going. And unless you spend a fair bit of time tied up at a marina with shore power, they haven't got anything for you at the fuel dock. So it really depends on situation...as mentioned, for inland lakes,or relatively short bay/estuary/coastal cruising with known max range to home (or somewhere safe at least), an electric could work well. For more complex situations, could just be another spare anchor once the charge is used up. cheers, John On 6/20/23 11:36, Mike Epp wrote:
yep...without the gas can, smell and noise😉
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 2:24 PM Jennifer Wood < jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote:
pretty much like a gas engine, then
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:29 PM Mike Epp <mike43067@gmail.com> wrote:
The point being...wide open you'll get 2-3 miles but at a moderate speed you can get far more. You can see this range move up and down on the readout when you twist the throttle. With a light breeze you can motor sail which she loves and greatly extends the range. It works great for my situation on an inland lake.
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 12:22 PM Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
A difference of 2-15 miles?! Uhhh, no thanks. I need more predictability than that. At the expense of those motors you’d think there was a more reliable range when you really need it. What if there was an emergency or ann unpredicted weather change and you’re at the 2 mile range? I’ll stick to my Honda 2 at a fraction of the price.
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On Jun 20, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Mike Epp (Hickory Lane Farms) < mike43067@gmail.com> wrote:
I use the Torqeedo travel 1103 (3hp) and love it. I carry the battery home for a recharge each time I use it. (No-one will steal my motor) Range varies GREATLY when run at higher speeds. It could vary from 2 miles to 15 miles. It pushes the 15 easily to 5mph. A backup battery would be great but I can't justify the expense. I normally only use a motor for getting off the dock and out of the harbor so never had a range issue. I particularly like the speedometer on the throttle and the GPS which constantly updates the range left. Did I mentioned that it's quiet?....😉
On June 19, 2023, at 11:28 PM, Jennifer Wood < jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote:
Myself, I've been holding out for the right electric outboard. Theoretically I could get 4 hours (if you believe the brochure), and a spare battery down below
Too spendy for me to try it yet though...
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Oars are another option...and they can be powered on diluted alcohol (i.e...beer).  Not sure how manymiles per gallon...but on a full gallon, it would probably not be in a straight line anyway so it would be hard to compare. I keep a couple of emergency cans on board just in case the wind dies. On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 10:30:40 PM PDT, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Sure...except there's no such thing as a 1 (or 2 or 3.5) gallon jug full of battery juice that one can just pour in and keep going. And unless you spend a fair bit of time tied up at a marina with shore power, they haven't got anything for you at the fuel dock. So it really depends on situation...as mentioned, for inland lakes,or relatively short bay/estuary/coastal cruising with known max range to home (or somewhere safe at least), an electric could work well. For more complex situations, could just be another spare anchor once the charge is used up. cheers, John On 6/20/23 11:36, Mike Epp wrote:
yep...without the gas can, smell and noise😉
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 2:24 PM Jennifer Wood < jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote:
pretty much like a gas engine, then
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:29 PM Mike Epp <mike43067@gmail.com> wrote:
The point being...wide open you'll get 2-3 miles but at a moderate speed you can get far more. You can see this range move up and down on the readout when you twist the throttle. With a light breeze you can motor sail which she loves and greatly extends the range. It works great for my situation on an inland lake.
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 12:22 PM Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
A difference of 2-15 miles?! Uhhh, no thanks. I need more predictability than that. At the expense of those motors you’d think there was a more reliable range when you really need it. What if there was an emergency or ann unpredicted weather change and you’re at the 2 mile range? I’ll stick to my Honda 2 at a fraction of the price.
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
On Jun 20, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Mike Epp (Hickory Lane Farms) < mike43067@gmail.com> wrote:
I use the Torqeedo travel 1103 (3hp) and love it. I carry the battery home for a recharge each time I use it. (No-one will steal my motor) Range varies GREATLY when run at higher speeds. It could vary from 2 miles to 15 miles. It pushes the 15 easily to 5mph. A backup battery would be great but I can't justify the expense. I normally only use a motor for getting off the dock and out of the harbor so never had a range issue. I particularly like the speedometer on the throttle and the GPS which constantly updates the range left. Did I mentioned that it's quiet?....😉
On June 19, 2023, at 11:28 PM, Jennifer Wood < jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote:
Myself, I've been holding out for the right electric outboard. Theoretically I could get 4 hours (if you believe the brochure), and a spare battery down below
Too spendy for me to try it yet though...
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Thanks John It really depends on what you are doing. I sailed Pelican from Oceanside Harbor to San Clemente is land and back....non stop 30 hrs. At night in a chopy sea and crossing the shipping lanes I found my self standing watch with my head sticking out of the cabin and my tiller pilot at the helm...... no humans in the cockpit. I did not need the additional task of managing the fuel level and timing or counting the pumps (witch I did on the shake down voyage). I decided that on these type of passages (San Clemente, Catalina, Santa Barbara Is) I need a gravity feed fuel system with at least 5 gal where I can switch the tank during daylight and favorable seas. My gravity system (Beta version) is detachable from my stern rail and only installed when "sailing" on this type of offshore trip. On a normal day sail the extended fuel system (tank and brackets) is stored in the dock box. I also like the safety fact that all of the fuel is stored outside of the vessel. Really great input for all you skippers on this form Capt Jim -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2023 10:30 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Aux fuel Sure...except there's no such thing as a 1 (or 2 or 3.5) gallon jug full of battery juice that one can just pour in and keep going. And unless you spend a fair bit of time tied up at a marina with shore power, they haven't got anything for you at the fuel dock. So it really depends on situation...as mentioned, for inland lakes,or relatively short bay/estuary/coastal cruising with known max range to home (or somewhere safe at least), an electric could work well. For more complex situations, could just be another spare anchor once the charge is used up. cheers, John On 6/20/23 11:36, Mike Epp wrote:
yep...without the gas can, smell and noise😉
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 2:24 PM Jennifer Wood < jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote:
pretty much like a gas engine, then
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:29 PM Mike Epp <mike43067@gmail.com> wrote:
The point being...wide open you'll get 2-3 miles but at a moderate speed you can get far more. You can see this range move up and down on the readout when you twist the throttle. With a light breeze you can motor sail which she loves and greatly extends the range. It works great for my situation on an inland lake.
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 12:22 PM Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
A difference of 2-15 miles?! Uhhh, no thanks. I need more predictability than that. At the expense of those motors you’d think there was a more reliable range when you really need it. What if there was an emergency or ann unpredicted weather change and you’re at the 2 mile range? I’ll stick to my Honda 2 at a fraction of the price.
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
On Jun 20, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Mike Epp (Hickory Lane Farms) < mike43067@gmail.com> wrote:
I use the Torqeedo travel 1103 (3hp) and love it. I carry the battery home for a recharge each time I use it. (No-one will steal my motor) Range varies GREATLY when run at higher speeds. It could vary from 2 miles to 15 miles. It pushes the 15 easily to 5mph. A backup battery would be great but I can't justify the expense. I normally only use a motor for getting off the dock and out of the harbor so never had a range issue. I particularly like the speedometer on the throttle and the GPS which constantly updates the range left. Did I mentioned that it's quiet?....😉
On June 19, 2023, at 11:28 PM, Jennifer Wood < jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote:
Myself, I've been holding out for the right electric outboard. Theoretically I could get 4 hours (if you believe the brochure), and a spare battery down below
Too spendy for me to try it yet though...
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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Mike Epp (Hickory Lane Farms)
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Rusty Knorr