RE: M_Boats: Randy Graves M15 line handling questionl
Hi Norm, In picture 2019 the black V-Cleat furthest away from the cabin top is for the 110 jib sheet. Between that V-Cleat and the cabin top are 2 cam cleats. These two cleats are the kind that are spring loaded and pinch the rope when you quit pulling. Jam, clam, cam,.... hard to keep them all straight. The two cam cleats in picture 2019 are used to cleat the main halyard and main down-haul. - In-board cleat = main downhaul, - out-board = main halyard I found you need to keep tension on both the halyard and downhaul; both when the mainsail is raised and lowered. Otherwise the un-tensioned line get slack and tangles around stuff. These two cleats are captive. They have an optional top attachment that keeps to rope lined up with the cleat. A single rope is used for both the main halyard and downhaul. The rope attaches to the top of the mainsail and then travels upwards over the pulley at the top of the mast, down the front side of the mast to a block at the base, over to the side of the cabin top and through a horizontally mounted block, along side the cabin top and through the outboard cam cleat, loops down the cockpit bulkhead several feet and then back up, through the inboard cam cleat on the cabin top, forward to the other inboard horiz. block, back over to a block at the base of the mast, up the backside of the mast near the sail track and attaches to apx. the 2nd-from-the-top sail slug. If you attach the downhaul all the way at the top of the mainsail, the aluminum head bracket binds when pulling downward. I use the V type cleats for the jib. Again, tensioning both lines when either the jib is up or down. I've never had either the Jib or Main halyard/downhaul cleats give way under load. I think I went with the cam cleats for the main instead of the V-type because I felt they would be more reliable. The V-type cleats are also used for the 100% jib sheets. I have had these lines give way under load. The fix was replacing the jib sheets rather than the cleats. The cleats were fine but the jib sheets has gotten frayed and glossy looking in the area where they pinch. Maybe I could have/should have swapped ends instead, but my jib sheets are also a single line. Hope that helps. If not, please let me know. Best Wishes to Everyone for a Great Easter Sunday, Randy Graves M15 #407 M17 #410 ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces+randyg=cite.nic.edu@mailman.xmission.com on behalf of Norm Bundek Sent: Sat 3/26/2005 7:26 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Randy Graves M15 line handling questionl Randy or others, I patterned my single handed main and jib handling lines using your setup as shown on your site http://sailing.gravesfam.us/M15%20Hull%20Number%20407%20%20Dinky%20Boat/Form... (pictures 2019 and 2022). I added cheek blocks and an extra V cleat for securing the lines on top of the cabin. Do you have a cleat in the cockpit to further secure the lines after going through the V cleat? I don't see any securing cleats in your detailed pictures. If you have a second set of cleats, where did you install them? Will the jib and main stay secured without a second set of cleats to tie off on? Norm M15 #172 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Randy, I did the same thing; replaced the sheets when they started slipping in the clam (V) cleats. I the first line I bought was too large. The second worked, but I later determined that was because it sat higher in the cleat, where there was no wear. Sighting along the cleat I could see where the plastic was worn. I replace the cleats and ended up going back to my original 1982 sheets, which worked fine in the new cleats. After about 4 years they are starting to slip again. This time I bought a set of cam cleats to install this spring. Bill Riker M15 - #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of RandyG Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 4:21 PM To: Norm Bundek; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: Randy Graves M15 line handling questionl Hi Norm, In picture 2019 the black V-Cleat furthest away from the cabin top is for the 110 jib sheet. Between that V-Cleat and the cabin top are 2 cam cleats. These two cleats are the kind that are spring loaded and pinch the rope when you quit pulling. Jam, clam, cam,.... hard to keep them all straight. The two cam cleats in picture 2019 are used to cleat the main halyard and main down-haul. - In-board cleat = main downhaul, - out-board = main halyard I found you need to keep tension on both the halyard and downhaul; both when the mainsail is raised and lowered. Otherwise the un-tensioned line get slack and tangles around stuff. These two cleats are captive. They have an optional top attachment that keeps to rope lined up with the cleat. A single rope is used for both the main halyard and downhaul. The rope attaches to the top of the mainsail and then travels upwards over the pulley at the top of the mast, down the front side of the mast to a block at the base, over to the side of the cabin top and through a horizontally mounted block, along side the cabin top and through the outboard cam cleat, loops down the cockpit bulkhead several feet and then back up, through the inboard cam cleat on the cabin top, forward to the other inboard horiz. block, back over to a block at the base of the mast, up the backside of the mast near the sail track and attaches to apx. the 2nd-from-the-top sail slug. If you attach the downhaul all the way at the top of the mainsail, the aluminum head bracket binds when pulling downward. I use the V type cleats for the jib. Again, tensioning both lines when either the jib is up or down. I've never had either the Jib or Main halyard/downhaul cleats give way under load. I think I went with the cam cleats for the main instead of the V-type because I felt they would be more reliable. The V-type cleats are also used for the 100% jib sheets. I have had these lines give way under load. The fix was replacing the jib sheets rather than the cleats. The cleats were fine but the jib sheets has gotten frayed and glossy looking in the area where they pinch. Maybe I could have/should have swapped ends instead, but my jib sheets are also a single line. Hope that helps. If not, please let me know. Best Wishes to Everyone for a Great Easter Sunday, Randy Graves M15 #407 M17 #410 ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces+randyg=cite.nic.edu@mailman.xmission.com on behalf of Norm Bundek Sent: Sat 3/26/2005 7:26 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Randy Graves M15 line handling questionl Randy or others, I patterned my single handed main and jib handling lines using your setup as shown on your site http://sailing.gravesfam.us/M15%20Hull%20Number%20407%20%20Dinky%20Boat/Form s/AllItems.aspx (pictures 2019 and 2022). I added cheek blocks and an extra V cleat for securing the lines on top of the cabin. Do you have a cleat in the cockpit to further secure the lines after going through the V cleat? I don't see any securing cleats in your detailed pictures. If you have a second set of cleats, where did you install them? Will the jib and main stay secured without a second set of cleats to tie off on? Norm M15 #172 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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