Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 14, Issue 21
Hi Scott, Before you can dream about cruising destinations, you have to know that they exist. Now you are aware of the Adriatic coast of "former" Yugoslavia. Another wonderful area is the Stockholm archipelago. Hundreds of low, pine tree covered islands with Swedish summer homes on them, and, ..........almost every Swede has a power boat or mainly sailboats. Powerboats tend to be primarily slow speed (6 - 8 knots) plus a few outboard powered fast machines. Everyone is most considerate of one another - no wake zones are respected. But once you are off the well marked ship channels, you need local knowledge and someone has to "correct" your charts so that you avoid the rocks. I came to the conclusion that this was done on purpose to give Russian mini-subs that were constantly trying to explore the Swedish coast a hard time. If you believe the published Swedish chart and then run aground: it's Swedes 1 - Russians 0, in the game of cat and mouse. I once was heading back to Stockholm from one of the outer islands of the archipelago, hard on the wind in a Swedish racing class sloop - a long thin boat: tall rig; deep keel; long overhangs, .............. I checked the chart I had and saw 30 meters of water where I wanted to lengthen my tack between two islands. OK go for it, fewer tacks are better, right? With lee rail under and marching along at about 6 knots, all of a sudden - in the middle of my 30 meter depth area there was a loud BOOM, and our ship was high and dry on a nice - barely underwater boulder. 30 meters of water????? No way. My wife, to this day, never lets me forget that episode when I decide to cut a corner or stray from "guaranteed" deep water. Luckily, as I walked forward to get an anchor out of a forepeak, the boat quivered and slid off the rock into deep water again. The rest of the 30 NM back to Stockholm I stayed in the marked up areas of my chart. But still; another area to put on your "dream about" list. If you hit it in August it's kraftor (sp?) time. These are Swedish fresh water crayfish (probably similar to the crawfish from Louisiana). Then it's ritual eating and drinking time: 1 kraftor: 1 Aquavit: 1 kraftor; 1 Aquavit. and so on, deep into the night. Another great area are the Danish islands............. Towns are built around the harbors. Marinas all have showers and toilets for the cruising sailor. In the morning you walk to the local bakery and buy fresh Danish pastry, and are back on board in time for the coffee to finish brewing. Another delightful area. Connie
I know we've pretty well worn out most things Montgomery, but this is still a "Montgomery" forum as far as I know. I'm sure somewhere out there is a cruising forum who would appreciate your local knowledge and stories, but speaking only for myself they're wearing a little thin. Maybe you could direct these just to Scott and not the entire list. Thanks ! ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 14, Issue 21
Hi Scott,
Before you can dream about cruising destinations, you have to know that they exist.
Now you are aware of the Adriatic coast of "former" Yugoslavia.
Another wonderful area is the Stockholm archipelago. Hundreds of low, pine tree covered islands with Swedish summer homes on them, and, ..........almost every Swede has a power boat or mainly sailboats. Powerboats tend to be primarily slow speed (6 - 8 knots) plus a few outboard powered fast machines.
Everyone is most considerate of one another - no wake zones are respected.
But once you are off the well marked ship channels, you need local knowledge and someone has to "correct" your charts so that you avoid the rocks.
I came to the conclusion that this was done on purpose to give Russian mini-subs that were constantly trying to explore the Swedish coast a hard time. If you believe the published Swedish chart and then run aground: it's Swedes 1 - Russians 0, in the game of cat and mouse.
I once was heading back to Stockholm from one of the outer islands of the archipelago, hard on the wind in a Swedish racing class sloop - a long thin boat: tall rig; deep keel; long overhangs, ..............
I checked the chart I had and saw 30 meters of water where I wanted to lengthen my tack between two islands. OK go for it, fewer tacks are better, right?
With lee rail under and marching along at about 6 knots, all of a sudden - in the middle of my 30 meter depth area there was a loud BOOM, and our ship was high and dry on a nice - barely underwater boulder. 30 meters of water????? No way. My wife, to this day, never lets me forget that episode when I decide to cut a corner or stray from "guaranteed" deep water.
Luckily, as I walked forward to get an anchor out of a forepeak, the boat quivered and slid off the rock into deep water again.
The rest of the 30 NM back to Stockholm I stayed in the marked up areas of my chart.
But still; another area to put on your "dream about" list.
If you hit it in August it's kraftor (sp?) time. These are Swedish fresh water crayfish (probably similar to the crawfish from Louisiana). Then it's ritual eating and drinking time: 1 kraftor: 1 Aquavit: 1 kraftor; 1 Aquavit. and so on, deep into the night.
Another great area are the Danish islands............. Towns are built around the harbors. Marinas all have showers and toilets for the cruising sailor. In the morning you walk to the local bakery and buy fresh Danish pastry, and are back on board in time for the coffee to finish brewing.
Another delightful area.
Connie
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You ARE speaking only for yourself as far as I'm concerned, Stephen. Connie, If you're going to limit the recipients to whom you send these stories, please include me, chonshell@ia4u.net . . . Thanks! --Craig Honshell ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen gray" <scgray@worldnet.att.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 12:05 AM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 14, Issue 21 I know we've pretty well worn out most things Montgomery, but this is still a "Montgomery" forum as far as I know. I'm sure somewhere out there is a cruising forum who would appreciate your local knowledge and stories, but speaking only for myself they're wearing a little thin. Maybe you could direct these just to Scott and not the entire list. Thanks ! ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 14, Issue 21
Hi Scott,
Before you can dream about cruising destinations, you have to know that they exist.
Now you are aware of the Adriatic coast of "former" Yugoslavia.
Another wonderful area is the Stockholm archipelago. Hundreds of low, pine tree covered islands with Swedish summer homes on them, and, ..........almost every Swede has a power boat or mainly sailboats. Powerboats tend to be primarily slow speed (6 - 8 knots) plus a few outboard powered fast machines.
Everyone is most considerate of one another - no wake zones are respected.
But once you are off the well marked ship channels, you need local knowledge and someone has to "correct" your charts so that you avoid the rocks.
I came to the conclusion that this was done on purpose to give Russian mini-subs that were constantly trying to explore the Swedish coast a hard time. If you believe the published Swedish chart and then run aground: it's Swedes 1 - Russians 0, in the game of cat and mouse.
I once was heading back to Stockholm from one of the outer islands of the archipelago, hard on the wind in a Swedish racing class sloop - a long thin boat: tall rig; deep keel; long overhangs, ..............
I checked the chart I had and saw 30 meters of water where I wanted to lengthen my tack between two islands. OK go for it, fewer tacks are better, right?
With lee rail under and marching along at about 6 knots, all of a sudden - in the middle of my 30 meter depth area there was a loud BOOM, and our ship was high and dry on a nice - barely underwater boulder. 30 meters of water????? No way. My wife, to this day, never lets me forget that episode when I decide to cut a corner or stray from "guaranteed" deep water.
Luckily, as I walked forward to get an anchor out of a forepeak, the boat quivered and slid off the rock into deep water again.
The rest of the 30 NM back to Stockholm I stayed in the marked up areas of my chart.
But still; another area to put on your "dream about" list.
If you hit it in August it's kraftor (sp?) time. These are Swedish fresh water crayfish (probably similar to the crawfish from Louisiana). Then it's ritual eating and drinking time: 1 kraftor: 1 Aquavit: 1 kraftor; 1 Aquavit. and so on, deep into the night.
Another great area are the Danish islands............. Towns are built around the harbors. Marinas all have showers and toilets for the cruising sailor. In the morning you walk to the local bakery and buy fresh Danish pastry, and are back on board in time for the coffee to finish brewing.
Another delightful area.
Connie
...yet another reason why "Honshells" is burned into my screen under "Deleted Items". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: M_Boats: (no subject)
You ARE speaking only for yourself as far as I'm concerned, Stephen.
Connie, If you're going to limit the
recipients to whom you send these stories, please include me, chonshell@ia4u.net . . . Thanks! --Craig Honshell
----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen gray" <scgray@worldnet.att.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 12:05 AM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 14, Issue 21
I know we've pretty well worn out most things Montgomery, but this is still a "Montgomery" forum as far as I know. I'm sure somewhere out there is a cruising forum who would appreciate your local knowledge and stories, but speaking only for myself they're wearing a little thin. Maybe you could direct these just to Scott and not the entire list. Thanks !
----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 14, Issue 21
Hi Scott,
Before you can dream about cruising destinations, you have to know that they exist.
Now you are aware of the Adriatic coast of "former" Yugoslavia.
Another wonderful area is the Stockholm archipelago. Hundreds of low, pine tree covered islands with Swedish summer homes on them, and, ..........almost every Swede has a power boat or mainly sailboats. Powerboats tend to be primarily slow speed (6 - 8 knots) plus a few outboard powered fast machines.
Everyone is most considerate of one another - no wake zones are respected.
But once you are off the well marked ship channels, you need local knowledge and someone has to "correct" your charts so that you avoid the rocks.
I came to the conclusion that this was done on purpose to give Russian mini-subs that were constantly trying to explore the Swedish coast a hard time. If you believe the published Swedish chart and then run aground: it's Swedes 1 - Russians 0, in the game of cat and mouse.
I once was heading back to Stockholm from one of the outer islands of the archipelago, hard on the wind in a Swedish racing class sloop - a long thin boat: tall rig; deep keel; long overhangs, ..............
I checked the chart I had and saw 30 meters of water where I wanted to lengthen my tack between two islands. OK go for it, fewer tacks are better, right?
With lee rail under and marching along at about 6 knots, all of a sudden - in the middle of my 30 meter depth area there was a loud BOOM, and our ship was high and dry on a nice - barely underwater boulder. 30 meters of water????? No way. My wife, to this day, never lets me forget that episode when I decide to cut a corner or stray from "guaranteed" deep water.
Luckily, as I walked forward to get an anchor out of a forepeak, the boat quivered and slid off the rock into deep water again.
The rest of the 30 NM back to Stockholm I stayed in the marked up areas of my chart.
But still; another area to put on your "dream about" list.
If you hit it in August it's kraftor (sp?) time. These are Swedish fresh water crayfish (probably similar to the crawfish from Louisiana). Then it's ritual eating and drinking time: 1 kraftor: 1 Aquavit: 1 kraftor; 1 Aquavit. and so on, deep into the night.
Another great area are the Danish islands............. Towns are built around the harbors. Marinas all have showers and toilets for the cruising sailor. In the morning you walk to the local bakery and buy fresh Danish pastry, and are back on board in time for the coffee to finish brewing.
Another delightful area.
Connie
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That's your prerogative, Stephen. My post was intended to support Connie, not attack you . . . But since this is getting personal, I apologize for my part, and admit I should have just posted Connie off-list. Deleting the messages of those from whom you don't want to hear is a good strategy for limiting excess traffic, and I admit I'm not one of the list contributors with gravitas, such as Connie, Tod, Howard, Bones, Doug, Harvey, John, etc., etc., etc. . . . The list goes on, so I want to add: Thanks guys! If it's going to get personal on-list, how 'bout we limit the comments directed at particular individuals to praise for the contributions of the pros? --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen gray" <scgray@worldnet.att.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 12:58 AM Subject: (no subject) ...yet another reason why "Honshells" is burned into my screen under "Deleted Items". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: (no subject)
You ARE speaking only for yourself as far as I'm concerned, Stephen. Connie, If you're going to limit the recipients to whom you send these stories, please include me, chonshell@ia4u.net . . . Thanks! --Craig Honshell
----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen gray" <scgray@worldnet.att.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 12:05 AM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 14, Issue 21
I know we've pretty well worn out most things Montgomery, but this is still a "Montgomery" forum as far as I know. I'm sure somewhere out there is a cruising forum who would appreciate your local knowledge and stories, but speaking only for myself they're wearing a little thin. Maybe you could direct these just to Scott and not the entire list. Thanks !
----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 14, Issue 21
Hi Scott,
Before you can dream about cruising destinations, you have to know that they exist.
Now you are aware of the Adriatic coast of "former" Yugoslavia.
Another wonderful area is the Stockholm archipelago. Hundreds of low, pine tree covered islands with Swedish summer homes on them, and, ..........almost every Swede has a power boat or mainly sailboats. Powerboats tend to be primarily slow speed (6 - 8 knots) plus a few outboard powered fast machines.
Everyone is most considerate of one another - no wake zones are respected.
But once you are off the well marked ship channels, you need local knowledge and someone has to "correct" your charts so that you avoid the rocks.
I came to the conclusion that this was done on purpose to give Russian mini-subs that were constantly trying to explore the Swedish coast a hard time. If you believe the published Swedish chart and then run aground: it's Swedes 1 - Russians 0, in the game of cat and mouse.
I once was heading back to Stockholm from one of the outer islands of the archipelago, hard on the wind in a Swedish racing class sloop - a long thin boat: tall rig; deep keel; long overhangs, ..............
I checked the chart I had and saw 30 meters of water where I wanted to lengthen my tack between two islands. OK go for it, fewer tacks are better, right?
With lee rail under and marching along at about 6 knots, all of a sudden - in the middle of my 30 meter depth area there was a loud BOOM, and our ship was high and dry on a nice - barely underwater boulder. 30 meters of water????? No way. My wife, to this day, never lets me forget that episode when I decide to cut a corner or stray from "guaranteed" deep water.
Luckily, as I walked forward to get an anchor out of a forepeak, the boat quivered and slid off the rock into deep water again.
The rest of the 30 NM back to Stockholm I stayed in the marked up areas of my chart.
But still; another area to put on your "dream about" list.
If you hit it in August it's kraftor (sp?) time. These are Swedish fresh water crayfish (probably similar to the crawfish from Louisiana). Then it's ritual eating and drinking time: 1 kraftor: 1 Aquavit: 1 kraftor; 1 Aquavit. and so on, deep into the night.
Another great area are the Danish islands............. Towns are built around the harbors. Marinas all have showers and toilets for the cruising sailor. In the morning you walk to the local bakery and buy fresh Danish pastry, and are back on board in time for the coffee to finish brewing.
Another delightful area.
Connie
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Connie, I luv the stories, and the new locations, add me to the list --- Honshells <chonshell@ia4u.net> wrote:
That's your prerogative, Stephen. My post was intended to support Connie, not attack you . . . But since this is getting personal, I apologize for my part, and admit I should have just posted Connie off-list. Deleting the messages of those from whom you don't want to hear is a good strategy for limiting excess traffic, and I admit I'm not one of the list contributors with gravitas, such as Connie, Tod, Howard, Bones, Doug, Harvey, John, etc., etc., etc. . . . The list goes on, so I want to add: Thanks guys! If it's going to get personal on-list, how 'bout we limit the comments directed at particular individuals to praise for the contributions of the pros? --Craig
----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen gray" <scgray@worldnet.att.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 12:58 AM Subject: (no subject)
...yet another reason why "Honshells" is burned into my screen under "Deleted Items".
----- Original Message ----- From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: (no subject)
You ARE speaking only for yourself as far as I'm concerned, Stephen. Connie, If you're going to limit the recipients to whom you send these stories, please include me, chonshell@ia4u.net . . . Thanks! --Craig Honshell
----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen gray" <scgray@worldnet.att.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 12:05 AM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 14, Issue 21
I know we've pretty well worn out most things Montgomery, but this is still a "Montgomery" forum as far as I know. I'm sure somewhere out there is a cruising forum who would appreciate your local knowledge and stories, but speaking only for myself they're wearing a little thin. Maybe you could direct these just to Scott and not the entire list. Thanks !
----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 14, Issue 21
Hi Scott,
Before you can dream about cruising destinations, you have to know that they exist.
Now you are aware of the Adriatic coast of "former" Yugoslavia.
Another wonderful area is the Stockholm archipelago. Hundreds of low, pine tree covered islands with Swedish summer homes on them, and, ..........almost every Swede has a power boat or mainly sailboats. Powerboats tend to be primarily slow speed (6 - 8 knots) plus a few outboard powered fast machines.
Everyone is most considerate of one another - no wake zones are respected.
But once you are off the well marked ship channels, you need local knowledge and someone has to "correct" your charts so that you avoid the rocks.
I came to the conclusion that this was done on purpose to give Russian mini-subs that were constantly trying to explore the Swedish coast a hard time. If you believe the published Swedish chart and then run aground: it's Swedes 1 - Russians 0, in the game of cat and mouse.
I once was heading back to Stockholm from one of the outer islands of the archipelago, hard on the wind in a Swedish racing class sloop - a long thin boat: tall rig; deep keel; long overhangs, ..............
I checked the chart I had and saw 30 meters of water where I wanted to lengthen my tack between two islands. OK go for it, fewer tacks are better, right?
With lee rail under and marching along at about 6 knots, all of a sudden - in the middle of my 30 meter depth area there was a loud BOOM, and our ship was high and dry on a nice - barely underwater boulder. 30 meters of water????? No way. My wife, to this day, never lets me forget that episode when I decide to cut a corner or stray from "guaranteed" deep water.
Luckily, as I walked forward to get an anchor out of a forepeak, the boat quivered and slid off the rock into deep water again.
The rest of the 30 NM back to Stockholm I stayed in the marked up areas of my chart.
But still; another area to put on your "dream about" list.
If you hit it in August it's kraftor (sp?) time. These are Swedish fresh water crayfish (probably similar to the crawfish from Louisiana). Then it's ritual eating and drinking time: 1 kraftor: 1 Aquavit: 1 kraftor; 1 Aquavit. and so on, deep into the night.
Another great area are the Danish islands............. Towns are built around the harbors. Marinas all have showers and toilets for the cruising sailor. In the morning you walk to the local bakery and buy fresh Danish pastry, and are back on board in time for the coffee to finish brewing.
Another delightful area.
Connie
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