Additional floatation...
I understand the benefits of additional floatation, but El Nino is crammed packed with it and it takes up alot of room. Is it really necessary? What do you all have? https://www.dropbox.com/s/5eie4bberviskob/20160202_145711.jpg?dl=0 Jazz On Feb 3, 2016 3:35 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this drain get a screen or cap of some kind? I see it's threaded as if... https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtnf7z48lia529k/20160202_152613.jpg?dl=0
Jazz
The Montgomery 17s don't have flotation. With their weight you have to fill the cabin with foam in order to float the boat. :: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 4:41 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand the benefits of additional floatation, but El Nino is crammed packed with it and it takes up alot of room. Is it really necessary? What do you all have?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5eie4bberviskob/20160202_145711.jpg?dl=0
Jazz On Feb 3, 2016 3:35 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this drain get a screen or cap of some kind? I see it's threaded as if... https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtnf7z48lia529k/20160202_152613.jpg?dl=0
Jazz
Does that hold true, that you would have to fill the boat with flotation, for the M-15's?
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 17:21:36 -0700 From: scoobscobie@gmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation...
The Montgomery 17s don't have flotation. With their weight you have to fill the cabin with foam in order to float the boat.
:: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 4:41 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand the benefits of additional floatation, but El Nino is crammed packed with it and it takes up alot of room. Is it really necessary? What do you all have?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5eie4bberviskob/20160202_145711.jpg?dl=0
Jazz On Feb 3, 2016 3:35 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this drain get a screen or cap of some kind? I see it's threaded as if... https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtnf7z48lia529k/20160202_152613.jpg?dl=0
Jazz
The M17 will NOT float with just foam under vberth and cockpit floor. The M15 WILL float with foam under the vberth and cockpit floor. Foam was standard on all Jerry built M15s. :: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 6:10 PM, "Willy Gorrissen" <gorrissen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does that hold true, that you would have to fill the boat with flotation, for the M-15's?
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 17:21:36 -0700 From: scoobscobie@gmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation...
The Montgomery 17s don't have flotation. With their weight you have to fill the cabin with foam in order to float the boat.
:: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 4:41 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand the benefits of additional floatation, but El Nino is crammed packed with it and it takes up alot of room. Is it really necessary? What do you all have?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5eie4bberviskob/20160202_145711.jpg?dl=0
Jazz On Feb 3, 2016 3:35 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this drain get a screen or cap of some kind? I see it's threaded as if... https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtnf7z48lia529k/20160202_152613.jpg?dl=0
Jazz
Thanks, when spring comes to Idaho and the lake thaws I'll look.
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 18:26:03 -0700 From: scoobscobie@gmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation...
The M17 will NOT float with just foam under vberth and cockpit floor.
The M15 WILL float with foam under the vberth and cockpit floor. Foam was standard on all Jerry built M15s.
:: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 6:10 PM, "Willy Gorrissen" <gorrissen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does that hold true, that you would have to fill the boat with flotation, for the M-15's?
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 17:21:36 -0700 From: scoobscobie@gmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation...
The Montgomery 17s don't have flotation. With their weight you have to fill the cabin with foam in order to float the boat.
:: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 4:41 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand the benefits of additional floatation, but El Nino is crammed packed with it and it takes up alot of room. Is it really necessary? What do you all have?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5eie4bberviskob/20160202_145711.jpg?dl=0
Jazz On Feb 3, 2016 3:35 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this drain get a screen or cap of some kind? I see it's threaded as if... https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtnf7z48lia529k/20160202_152613.jpg?dl=0
Jazz
Has anyone done the calculation for an M17? My WAG is it would take around 40 cubic feet to keep the gunwales awash. There is definitely 20 cubic feet of space under the cockpit and I'll bet you could find another 20 cubic feet under the v-berth and in the forepeak. I'm not suggesting this SHOULD be done, but I think it COULD be done. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 8:26:03 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation... The M17 will NOT float with just foam under vberth and cockpit floor. The M15 WILL float with foam under the vberth and cockpit floor. Foam was standard on all Jerry built M15s. :: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 6:10 PM, "Willy Gorrissen" <gorrissen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does that hold true, that you would have to fill the boat with flotation, for the M-15's?
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 17:21:36 -0700 From: scoobscobie@gmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation...
The Montgomery 17s don't have flotation. With their weight you have to fill the cabin with foam in order to float the boat.
:: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 4:41 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand the benefits of additional floatation, but El Nino is crammed packed with it and it takes up alot of room. Is it really necessary? What do you all have?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5eie4bberviskob/20160202_145711.jpg?dl=0
Jazz On Feb 3, 2016 3:35 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this drain get a screen or cap of some kind? I see it's threaded as if... https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtnf7z48lia529k/20160202_152613.jpg?dl=0
Jazz
The M17 at 1600 lbs displaces about 726 liters of water when floating, so to remain buoyant it would need to have at least that much volume when submerged. To make it buoyant, one would need to have total 0.726 cublic meters of submerged volume without adding much weight. So to be safe and compensate for dense gear like tools and batteries, you'd probably want about a cubic meter or about 35 cubic feet of styrofoam - nearly the total storage volume you estimated. It's doable, but would really cut into storage space. Tyler
On Feb 4, 2016, at 11:55 AM, swwheatley@comcast.net wrote:
Has anyone done the calculation for an M17? My WAG is it would take around 40 cubic feet to keep the gunwales awash. There is definitely 20 cubic feet of space under the cockpit and I'll bet you could find another 20 cubic feet under the v-berth and in the forepeak. I'm not suggesting this SHOULD be done, but I think it COULD be done.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 8:26:03 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation...
The M17 will NOT float with just foam under vberth and cockpit floor.
The M15 WILL float with foam under the vberth and cockpit floor. Foam was standard on all Jerry built M15s.
:: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 6:10 PM, "Willy Gorrissen" <gorrissen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does that hold true, that you would have to fill the boat with flotation, for the M-15's?
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 17:21:36 -0700 From: scoobscobie@gmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation...
The Montgomery 17s don't have flotation. With their weight you have to fill the cabin with foam in order to float the boat.
:: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 4:41 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand the benefits of additional floatation, but El Nino is crammed packed with it and it takes up alot of room. Is it really necessary? What do you all have?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5eie4bberviskob/20160202_145711.jpg?dl=0
Jazz On Feb 3, 2016 3:35 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this drain get a screen or cap of some kind? I see it's threaded as if... https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtnf7z48lia529k/20160202_152613.jpg?dl=0
Jazz
Which is the reason we never put floatation in the 17! -----Original Message----- From: Tyler Backman Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 1:40 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation... The M17 at 1600 lbs displaces about 726 liters of water when floating, so to remain buoyant it would need to have at least that much volume when submerged. To make it buoyant, one would need to have total 0.726 cublic meters of submerged volume without adding much weight. So to be safe and compensate for dense gear like tools and batteries, you'd probably want about a cubic meter or about 35 cubic feet of styrofoam - nearly the total storage volume you estimated. It's doable, but would really cut into storage space. Tyler
On Feb 4, 2016, at 11:55 AM, swwheatley@comcast.net wrote:
Has anyone done the calculation for an M17? My WAG is it would take around 40 cubic feet to keep the gunwales awash. There is definitely 20 cubic feet of space under the cockpit and I'll bet you could find another 20 cubic feet under the v-berth and in the forepeak. I'm not suggesting this SHOULD be done, but I think it COULD be done.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 8:26:03 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation...
The M17 will NOT float with just foam under vberth and cockpit floor.
The M15 WILL float with foam under the vberth and cockpit floor. Foam was standard on all Jerry built M15s.
:: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 6:10 PM, "Willy Gorrissen" <gorrissen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does that hold true, that you would have to fill the boat with flotation, for the M-15's?
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 17:21:36 -0700 From: scoobscobie@gmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation...
The Montgomery 17s don't have flotation. With their weight you have to fill the cabin with foam in order to float the boat.
:: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 4:41 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand the benefits of additional floatation, but El Nino is crammed packed with it and it takes up alot of room. Is it really necessary? What do you all have?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5eie4bberviskob/20160202_145711.jpg?dl=0
Jazz On Feb 3, 2016 3:35 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this drain get a screen or cap of some kind? I see it's threaded as if... https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtnf7z48lia529k/20160202_152613.jpg?dl=0
Jazz
Though I don't care for inflatable PFDs for my body, I could imagine an inflatable "MFD" (Montgomery Flotation Device) for the boat...as compact as possible when stowed, but providing enough flotation when deployed to keep an M17 from sinking. Ideally, concealed in the toe rail so that when deployed the boat would look like a cross between a survival raft (think "Lost") and a Zodiac, Avon, etc. rigid-hull inflatable. Could probably still sail! :-) John S. On 02/04/2016 01:40 PM, Tyler Backman wrote:
The M17 at 1600 lbs displaces about 726 liters of water when floating, so to remain buoyant it would need to have at least that much volume when submerged. To make it buoyant, one would need to have total 0.726 cublic meters of submerged volume without adding much weight. So to be safe and compensate for dense gear like tools and batteries, you'd probably want about a cubic meter or about 35 cubic feet of styrofoam - nearly the total storage volume you estimated. It's doable, but would really cut into storage space.
Tyler
On Feb 4, 2016, at 11:55 AM, swwheatley@comcast.net wrote:
Has anyone done the calculation for an M17? My WAG is it would take around 40 cubic feet to keep the gunwales awash. There is definitely 20 cubic feet of space under the cockpit and I'll bet you could find another 20 cubic feet under the v-berth and in the forepeak. I'm not suggesting this SHOULD be done, but I think it COULD be done.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 8:26:03 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation...
The M17 will NOT float with just foam under vberth and cockpit floor.
The M15 WILL float with foam under the vberth and cockpit floor. Foam was standard on all Jerry built M15s.
:: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 6:10 PM, "Willy Gorrissen" <gorrissen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does that hold true, that you would have to fill the boat with flotation, for the M-15's?
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 17:21:36 -0700 From: scoobscobie@gmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation...
The Montgomery 17s don't have flotation. With their weight you have to fill the cabin with foam in order to float the boat.
:: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 4:41 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand the benefits of additional floatation, but El Nino is crammed packed with it and it takes up alot of room. Is it really necessary? What do you all have?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5eie4bberviskob/20160202_145711.jpg?dl=0
Jazz On Feb 3, 2016 3:35 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this drain get a screen or cap of some kind? I see it's threaded as if... https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtnf7z48lia529k/20160202_152613.jpg?dl=0
Jazz
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Great idea! Something about 16 feet long could be used on other small boats as well. Time to visit the show "Shark Tank". <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 11:02 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Though I don't care for inflatable PFDs for my body, I could imagine an inflatable "MFD" (Montgomery Flotation Device) for the boat...as compact as possible when stowed, but providing enough flotation when deployed to keep an M17 from sinking. Ideally, concealed in the toe rail so that when deployed the boat would look like a cross between a survival raft (think "Lost") and a Zodiac, Avon, etc. rigid-hull inflatable. Could probably still sail! :-) John S.
On 02/04/2016 01:40 PM, Tyler Backman wrote:
The M17 at 1600 lbs displaces about 726 liters of water when floating, so to remain buoyant it would need to have at least that much volume when submerged. To make it buoyant, one would need to have total 0.726 cublic meters of submerged volume without adding much weight. So to be safe and compensate for dense gear like tools and batteries, you'd probably want about a cubic meter or about 35 cubic feet of styrofoam - nearly the total storage volume you estimated. It's doable, but would really cut into storage space.
Tyler
On Feb 4, 2016, at 11:55 AM, swwheatley@comcast.net wrote:
Has anyone done the calculation for an M17? My WAG is it would take around 40 cubic feet to keep the gunwales awash. There is definitely 20 cubic feet of space under the cockpit and I'll bet you could find another 20 cubic feet under the v-berth and in the forepeak. I'm not suggesting this SHOULD be done, but I think it COULD be done.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 8:26:03 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation...
The M17 will NOT float with just foam under vberth and cockpit floor.
The M15 WILL float with foam under the vberth and cockpit floor. Foam was standard on all Jerry built M15s.
:: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 6:10 PM, "Willy Gorrissen" <gorrissen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does that hold true, that you would have to fill the boat with flotation,
for the M-15's?
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 17:21:36 -0700
From: scoobscobie@gmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation...
The Montgomery 17s don't have flotation. With their weight you have to
fill
the cabin with foam in order to float the boat.
:: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 4:41 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand the benefits of additional floatation, but El Nino is
crammed
packed with it and it takes up alot of room. Is it really necessary?
What
do you all have?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5eie4bberviskob/20160202_145711.jpg?dl=0
Jazz On Feb 3, 2016 3:35 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this drain get a screen or cap of some kind? I see it's > threaded as
if...
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtnf7z48lia529k/20160202_152613.jpg?dl=0 > > Jazz > >
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Dave, My 1985 M-15 has foam flotation blocks in the forward cabin, came from the dealer that way when it was new. Was that a dealer addition, or something to do with the M-15s or the year they were built? Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 4:21 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation... The Montgomery 17s don't have flotation. With their weight you have to fill the cabin with foam in order to float the boat. :: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 4:41 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand the benefits of additional floatation, but El Nino is crammed packed with it and it takes up alot of room. Is it really necessary? What do you all have?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5eie4bberviskob/20160202_145711.jpg?dl=0
Jazz On Feb 3, 2016 3:35 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this drain get a screen or cap of some kind? I see it's threaded as if... https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtnf7z48lia529k/20160202_152613.jpg?dl=0
Jazz
All of the Jerry boats came with flotation foam under the forward part of the vberth and under the cockpit. :: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 8:15 PM, "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Dave, My 1985 M-15 has foam flotation blocks in the forward cabin, came from the dealer that way when it was new. Was that a dealer addition, or something to do with the M-15s or the year they were built? Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 4:21 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation...
The Montgomery 17s don't have flotation. With their weight you have to fill the cabin with foam in order to float the boat.
:: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 4:41 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand the benefits of additional floatation, but El Nino is crammed
packed with it and it takes up alot of room. Is it really necessary? What do you all have?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5eie4bberviskob/20160202_145711.jpg?dl=0
Jazz On Feb 3, 2016 3:35 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this drain get a screen or cap of some kind? I see it's threaded as if... https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtnf7z48lia529k/20160202_152613.jpg?dl=0
Jazz
realizing that this last email i sent may confuse some. i should have written - All of the Jerry's M15s came with flotation foam under the forward part of the vberth and under the cockpit. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 8:47 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
All of the Jerry boats came with flotation foam under the forward part of the vberth and under the cockpit.
:: Dave Scobie On Feb 3, 2016 8:15 PM, "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Dave, My 1985 M-15 has foam flotation blocks in the forward cabin, came from the dealer that way when it was new. Was that a dealer addition, or something to do with the M-15s or the year they were built? Steve M-15 # 335
NObody wants to sacrifice living space to flotation until they spring a leak. Then it is the best thing since sliced bread. I heard of some guys keeping an inflateable life raft stored in the cabin with an auto fill co2 tank that will inflate the raft in a matter of moments against the day the boat is sinking. One under the cockpit sole and one in the v-berth will keep the boat up until you can be towed in or rescued off. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand the benefits of additional floatation, but El Nino is crammed packed with it and it takes up alot of room. Is it really necessary? What do you all have?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5eie4bberviskob/20160202_145711.jpg?dl=0
Jazz On Feb 3, 2016 3:35 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this drain get a screen or cap of some kind? I see it's threaded as if... https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtnf7z48lia529k/20160202_152613.jpg?dl=0
Jazz
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