Hello Everyone, My name is Leo McMahon, and I am currently "between" boats (as they say). My last boat was a Catalina 27, which we sailed on San Francisco bay for a couple of years. The Catalina was our third boat. Many years ago, we learned to sail on various lakes in Pennsylvania with an Oday daysailer and later graduated to a Hunter 23, which we sailed mostly on Chesapeake bay (Bohemia River) before moving to California. We currently live in Hollister, which is about 100 miles south of San Francisco and a bit too far to travel for sailing every weekend. So we decided to sell our Catalina in the hope of finding a new or possibly used Montgomery 17 (or 15) that we could trailer to sail Monterey bay and lakes not too far from Hollister. My wife and I mostly daysail and cruise weekends. We usually sail with my 70 pound German Shepherd, so cockpit space is a serious consideration along with overnight accomodations. From what we currently know about the Montgomery 17, it seems to meet all our needs very nicely I look forward to reading all the comments about the 17 (and the 15) in the archives, as well as any comment that you may have for a "newbie" to the Montgomery scene. Talk to you soon. Leo
Leo.....welcome. The M_17 is a great choice. If you're not buying new, try to get one built after the year 2000. Here's one for sale: http://trailersailor.com/index.php?option=com_adsmanager&page=showad&adid=11... It may be gone by now. If I can help you with advice, parts or a new boat just email or call. Fair winds Bob (949) 489-8227 www.montgomeryboats.com www.norseayachts.com
From: lpmcmahon@charter.net To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 17:07:38 -0800 Subject: M_Boats: New Member of the "Montgomery_Boats" Mailing List
Hello Everyone,
My name is Leo McMahon, and I am currently "between" boats (as they say). My last boat was a Catalina 27, which we sailed on San Francisco bay for a couple of years. The Catalina was our third boat. Many years ago, we learned to sail on various lakes in Pennsylvania with an Oday daysailer and later graduated to a Hunter 23, which we sailed mostly on Chesapeake bay (Bohemia River) before moving to California.
We currently live in Hollister, which is about 100 miles south of San Francisco and a bit too far to travel for sailing every weekend. So we decided to sell our Catalina in the hope of finding a new or possibly used Montgomery 17 (or 15) that we could trailer to sail Monterey bay and lakes not too far from Hollister.
My wife and I mostly daysail and cruise weekends. We usually sail with my 70 pound German Shepherd, so cockpit space is a serious consideration along with overnight accomodations. From what we currently know about the Montgomery 17, it seems to meet all our needs very nicely
I look forward to reading all the comments about the 17 (and the 15) in the archives, as well as any comment that you may have for a "newbie" to the Montgomery scene. Talk to you soon.
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Leo: There is no reason to avoid an older boat. There are many 'good old' montgomery boats. I've owned an M15 and currently have a M17. Both boats are from the early/mid 80s – '84 M15 and '83 M17. Both are excellent craft and neither 'show their age'. M17 Pictures – www.m17-375.webs.com M15 Pictures – www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred based on your 'crew' size an M17 would be my recommendation. The 17s larger cockpit will be better for a two humans and a mid-to-larger sized dog. the cabin with sitting room will provide some indoor space. the cramped for a human 1/4-berths will be fine for a dog. The drawback to the M17 is a 1000 pound increase in towing weight and 1/3 longer rigging time over the M15. Remember: a smaller easier rigged sailboat is used more often. One concern that many have is the pre-mid-80s boat and the steel ballast (M15 (ballast and centerboard) and M17) and cast iron centerboard (M17). IMPORANT: the steel ballast/centerboard has only been an issue for boats that were wet stored ... and of these only a few report any challenges. my M15 is (or is it was as I sold her when I purchased my M17) a steel model and there were no issues before and during my ownership. She was always dry stored the M17s with steel ballast and cast iron centerboard have always been more prone to rusting issues. the centerboard is the weak link. SWEET PEA (my M17) spent most of her life in the water in quartermaster harbor, vashion island, WA. SWEET PEAS centerboard has been dropped, blasted, treated and there is no issue. this was done in 2005 and was the first time done (she is a '83 model … and spent 6-7 months EACH YEAR in saltwater for about 20 years). in my search for an M17 many of the 'iron' models have received the same treatment. issues such as sean mulligan's M23, DAUNTLESS, have been reported in the M15 and M17 in a sub-sub-sub-sub-sub set of boats. only 2 or three come to mind out of a run of what, 700ish boats before the lead models? don't overworry the issue. IMO, you are better served being concerned about the outboard motor not working correctly, a failing trailer, sails needing replacement than having a problem with the steel ballast/centerboard. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 – SWEET PEA – www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine – www.sagemarine.us --- On Mon, 3/7/11, Leo McMahon <lpmcmahon@charter.net> wrote: Hello Everyone, My name is Leo McMahon, and I am currently "between" boats (as they say). My last boat was a Catalina 27, which we sailed on San Francisco bay for a couple of years. The Catalina was our third boat. Many years ago, we learned to sail on various lakes in Pennsylvania with an Oday daysailer and later graduated to a Hunter 23, which we sailed mostly on Chesapeake bay (Bohemia River) before moving to California. We currently live in Hollister, which is about 100 miles south of San Francisco and a bit too far to travel for sailing every weekend. So we decided to sell our Catalina in the hope of finding a new or possibly used Montgomery 17 (or 15) that we could trailer to sail Monterey bay and lakes not too far from Hollister. My wife and I mostly daysail and cruise weekends. We usually sail with my 70 pound German Shepherd, so cockpit space is a serious consideration along with overnight accomodations. From what we currently know about the Montgomery 17, it seems to meet all our needs very nicely I look forward to reading all the comments about the 17 (and the 15) in the archives, as well as any comment that you may have for a "newbie" to the Montgomery scene. Talk to you soon. Leo
leo: below is the shopping list i used when looking for my M17. i reviewed three boats before purchasing my '83 model. M17 Inspection Items: TRAILER - clear title & registration trailer wheel bearings (bearing buddies?) overall condition (surface rust v. solid) tire & wheel condition hitch condition & operation emergency chain condition lighting car/trailer connector and wires bunk boards winch and winch post spare tire/wheel BOAT EXTERIOR - clear title & registration deck core rot. How sold are all items 'bolted' to the deck & transom (ie, bow pulpit, jib winches, cabin-top grab rails, chain plates, running lights (if present), all cleats and blocks. Teak condition (finish? Type? Wood cracked and/or damaged?) toe rail condition (be sure to check for bends or wear marks from jib sheet blocks) Cockpit hatch core rot electrical system & wiring condition (professional look or 'rats nest' of wires) the starboard and port cabin bulkheads … rot? transom/deck joint rot in transom? Gudgeons rear-stay plates cockpit drain pipe and thru-hull (also check drain hose and thru-hull if galley model) tiller rudder (finish, cracks, tiller gudgeons and pintles stress marks on hull (spider webbing, etc) these can show area(s) of impact hull condition: gel coat, rust spots, blisters hatch board condition forward cabin hatch condition (hinges, hatch, seals) cockpit locker hinges and interior conditions (may or may not have wet lockers) INTERIOR: look for rust and leaks on cabin-top attached items: grab rails compression post chain plates bow pulpit bow running lights (if present) condition of the bow eye bolt behind bow inspection port. forward cabin hatch condition (hinges, hatch, seals) Condition of centerboard trunk condition of centerboard winch and line cracks present where centerboard trunk rests on cockpit floor condition of and leaks present for thru-bolts used for main sheet track leaks around cabin windows condition of cabin cushions condition of porta-potti condition of locker lids condition of interior locker spaces overall condition of interior spaces STANDING RIGGING: overall condition of mast (oxidation? Any broken fittings?) Condition of stays and hardware condition of spreaders and attachment to mast condition of masthead (light(s) and wiring, main sheet blocks, etc) condition of boom (oxidation? Any broken fittings?) gooseneck condition cunningham? reefing hook? Jib winches (condition? Spin easily? Excessive noise? Winch handle(s)?) RUNNING RIGGING: main condition & number of reef points jib condition & size other sails? Condition of halyards (older boats will have line to wire … and 'hooks' on wire?) condition of sheets condition of main sheet blocks condition of jib sheet block OUTBOARD: overall condition (cover on and off) runs? Seen running? Owner's manual service kit service history? External tank, connectors and hoses? Extra parts: propeller, spark plug(s), impeller, etc. OTHER: extra things tossed into the package: what are their conditions (ex, a flare kit are the flares still good?) anchor chain fenders dock lines PFDs other --- On Mon, 3/7/11, Leo McMahon <lpmcmahon@charter.net> wrote: Hello Everyone, My name is Leo McMahon, and I am currently "between" boats (as they say). My last boat was a Catalina 27, which we sailed on San Francisco bay for a couple of years. The Catalina was our third boat. Many years ago, we learned to sail on various lakes in Pennsylvania with an Oday daysailer and later graduated to a Hunter 23, which we sailed mostly on Chesapeake bay (Bohemia River) before moving to California. We currently live in Hollister, which is about 100 miles south of San Francisco and a bit too far to travel for sailing every weekend. So we decided to sell our Catalina in the hope of finding a new or possibly used Montgomery 17 (or 15) that we could trailer to sail Monterey bay and lakes not too far from Hollister. My wife and I mostly daysail and cruise weekends. We usually sail with my 70 pound German Shepherd, so cockpit space is a serious consideration along with overnight accomodations. From what we currently know about the Montgomery 17, it seems to meet all our needs very nicely I look forward to reading all the comments about the 17 (and the 15) in the archives, as well as any comment that you may have for a "newbie" to the Montgomery scene. Talk to you soon. Leo
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