Like I am sure many of you do, my M17 spends the winter on her trailer (she's actually been on her trailer for over a year now thanks to the pandemic) and I was considering a garboard drain to keep water from pooling inside while she is stored. I had one in my old SeaSprite 23 with it's long and deep keel, it did a good job of keeping any water that got past the companionway from filling up the bilge and I was considering doing this to the Monty as well. Has anybody done so? Art M17 #406
Do you mean drilling a hole in the bilge next to the keel????? My Monty doesn't allow water below at all. I do run a fan all the time inside to keep the air moving. My boat spent most of last year on her trailer also for the same reason. On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 11:33 AM Sailing Spark <arthaberland@gmail.com> wrote:
Like I am sure many of you do, my M17 spends the winter on her trailer (she's actually been on her trailer for over a year now thanks to the pandemic) and I was considering a garboard drain to keep water from pooling inside while she is stored.
I had one in my old SeaSprite 23 with it's long and deep keel, it did a good job of keeping any water that got past the companionway from filling up the bilge and I was considering doing this to the Monty as well.
Has anybody done so?
Art M17 #406
IMO no reason to have water coming into the boat when she is sitting on a trailer. If you are getting water you have a deck leak that needs to be found and repaired. My MBoats and Sages never had issue with water in the bilge. Adding a below waterline hole is adding complication and worry IMO. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:33 AM Sailing Spark <arthaberland@gmail.com> wrote:
Like I am sure many of you do, my M17 spends the winter on her trailer (she's actually been on her trailer for over a year now thanks to the pandemic) and I was considering a garboard drain to keep water from pooling inside while she is stored.
I had one in my old SeaSprite 23 with it's long and deep keel, it did a good job of keeping any water that got past the companionway from filling up the bilge and I was considering doing this to the Monty as well.
Has anybody done so?
Art M17 #406
Art, I’m considering a standard bilge mounted system as well. At the risk of rousing the ire of dedicated Monty’s, the cockpit centerplate drain system is problematic. Too slow, prone to clogging, allows accumulation of water at the rear of cockpit well as the boat squats, especially with two crew. The worse when the CB opening squirts, and the water runs aft. Stern scuppers through the transom are easy to install but without a valve system are also problematic for me. My caution is that all traditional scupper systems work best when the hoses are crossed to the opposite side , and MUST HAVE seacocks with quick access .To that point if I do it I’ll cut out the molded tray which my 15 has, put a flange on it, and so make a removable tray to provide access. Disclaimer: this is MY solution, not a mandate or judgement about the design, which has many excellent qualities. I come from an ocean sailing background. To the contrary, In times past people crossed oceans in many deep, non drained , or poorly drained cockpit boats, such as the early Folkboat. Ocean Cruising standards require FOUR two inch drains for a cockpit the size of an M-15’s. Me, I’m past ocean dreaming, but am tired of squirts and dribbles accumulating. Peace, Ed Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 27, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
IMO no reason to have water coming into the boat when she is sitting on a trailer. If you are getting water you have a deck leak that needs to be found and repaired.
My MBoats and Sages never had issue with water in the bilge.
Adding a below waterline hole is adding complication and worry IMO.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:33 AM Sailing Spark <arthaberland@gmail.com> wrote:
Like I am sure many of you do, my M17 spends the winter on her trailer (she's actually been on her trailer for over a year now thanks to the pandemic) and I was considering a garboard drain to keep water from pooling inside while she is stored.
I had one in my old SeaSprite 23 with it's long and deep keel, it did a good job of keeping any water that got past the companionway from filling up the bilge and I was considering doing this to the Monty as well.
Has anybody done so?
Art M17 #406
Hi all: I store my M15 on its trailer all winter and summer. I make sure the front of the trailer at the hitch is as low as it can go so that any water pooling in the cockpit drains out near the CB. I keep the boat under a heavy duty tarp draped over the mast like a giant tent. Been protected from snow, rain, leaves, ice. So far after 5 years, no damage to boat anywhere. In fact I sail all winter and when I go out the boat is dry when I check it weekly or every few days. Having the bow lower than the stern works like a charm. Pete WinterSky (Zimowsky) San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush outdoors writer and photographer Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky Twitter: @zimosoutdoors The Northwest Outdoors Journey: https://outdoorsnorthwest.home.blog/2019/03/13/the-journey-begins/ "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Jun 27, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Art, I’m considering a standard bilge mounted system as well. At the risk of rousing the ire of dedicated Monty’s, the cockpit centerplate drain system is problematic. Too slow, prone to clogging, allows accumulation of water at the rear of cockpit well as the boat squats, especially with two crew. The worse when the CB opening squirts, and the water runs aft. Stern scuppers through the transom are easy to install but without a valve system are also problematic for me. My caution is that all traditional scupper systems work best when the hoses are crossed to the opposite side , and MUST HAVE seacocks with quick access .To that point if I do it I’ll cut out the molded tray which my 15 has, put a flange on it, and so make a removable tray to provide access. Disclaimer: this is MY solution, not a mandate or judgement about the design, which has many excellent qualities. I come from an ocean sailing background. To the contrary, In times past people crossed oceans in many deep, non drained , or poorly drained cockpit boats, such as the early Folkboat. Ocean Cruising standards require FOUR two inch drains for a cockpit the size of an M-15’s. Me, I’m past ocean dreaming, but am tired of squirts and dribbles accumulating. Peace, Ed
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 27, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
IMO no reason to have water coming into the boat when she is sitting on a trailer. If you are getting water you have a deck leak that needs to be found and repaired.
My MBoats and Sages never had issue with water in the bilge.
Adding a below waterline hole is adding complication and worry IMO.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:33 AM Sailing Spark <arthaberland@gmail.com> wrote:
Like I am sure many of you do, my M17 spends the winter on her trailer (she's actually been on her trailer for over a year now thanks to the pandemic) and I was considering a garboard drain to keep water from pooling inside while she is stored.
I had one in my old SeaSprite 23 with it's long and deep keel, it did a good job of keeping any water that got past the companionway from filling up the bilge and I was considering doing this to the Monty as well.
Has anybody done so?
Art M17 #406
When I bought my M17 three years ago I got a custom made cover with it. Except for inspecting and seeing it fits perfect I haven’t used it as I keep my M17 in my hangar which I think is the best building going for storage. It is now a boat hangar for easy in and out. Having done my share of covering with a tarp I don’t mess with them any longer. The custom cover can be put on with mast standing or not and fits snug so no concern with wind. I don’t think it would be cheap to have made but cost is only relative to return on it. As an example of cost last year I bought a new custom cover for trailering my Lugger from a company in Ohio for $600. If I was getting one I would take a tarp and cut exactly what I wanted and then shop a canvas shop to made the cover. That should be a good savings. Just another example how to solve a problem and I have no interest in selling my cover. If someone would like to see it as an example I would lay it out and take pictures of it for you. Just mail me. Charlie Adams Chaada@aol.com Sent from my iPad
On Jun 27, 2021, at 3:00 PM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi all: I store my M15 on its trailer all winter and summer. I make sure the front ofta the trailer at the hitch is as low as it can go so that any water pooling in the cockpit drains out near the CB. I keep the boat under a heavy duty tarp draped over the mast like a giant tent. Been protected from snow, rain, leaves, ice. So far after 5 years, no damage to boat anywhere. In fact I sail all winter and when I go out the boat is dry when I check it weekly or every few days. Having the bow lower than the stern works like a charm.
Pete WinterSky (Zimowsky)
San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush
outdoors writer and photographer Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky Twitter: @zimosoutdoors The Northwest Outdoors Journey: https://outdoorsnorthwest.home.blog/2019/03/13/the-journey-begins/
"We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Jun 27, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Art, I’m considering a standard bilge mounted system as well. At the risk of rousing the ire of dedicated Monty’s, the cockpit centerplate drain system is problematic. Too slow, prone to clogging, allows accumulation of water at the rear of cockpit well as the boat squats, especially with two crew. The worse when the CB opening squirts, and the water runs aft. Stern scuppers through the transom are easy to install but without a valve system are also problematic for me. My caution is that all traditional scupper systems work best when the hoses are crossed to the opposite side , and MUST HAVE seacocks with quick access .To that point if I do it I’ll cut out the molded tray which my 15 has, put a flange on it, and so make a removable tray to provide access. Disclaimer: this is MY solution, not a mandate or judgement about the design, which has many excellent qualities. I come from an ocean sailing background. To the contrary, In times past people crossed oceans in many deep, non drained , or poorly drained cockpit boats, such as the early Folkboat. Ocean Cruising standards require FOUR two inch drains for a cockpit the size of an M-15’s. Me, I’m past ocean dreaming, but am tired of squirts and dribbles accumulating. Peace, Ed
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 27, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
IMO no reason to have water coming into the boat when she is sitting on a trailer. If you are getting water you have a deck leak that needs to be found and repaired.
My MBoats and Sages never had issue with water in the bilge.
Adding a below waterline hole is adding complication and worry IMO.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:33 AM Sailing Spark <arthaberland@gmail.com> wrote:
Like I am sure many of you do, my M17 spends the winter on her trailer (she's actually been on her trailer for over a year now thanks to the pandemic) and I was considering a garboard drain to keep water from pooling inside while she is stored.
I had one in my old SeaSprite 23 with it's long and deep keel, it did a good job of keeping any water that got past the companionway from filling up the bilge and I was considering doing this to the Monty as well.
Has anybody done so?
Art M17 #406
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