More Montgomery 15 Questions
Thanks for the help this forum is always able to provide me. I have a couple more Montgomery 15 questions for the group: 1. I'd like to have something to keep my boom up when the main is down. It seems like a topping lift, a cradle, or a boom kicker could help with this and I'd be interested in people's experiences with any of these things. I think I saw a nice wooden cradle on someone's boat at Lake Havasu but didn't figure out whose it was or find out how well it worked, where it is stored, and if it gets in the way. I have seen discussions about boom kickers but wonder how securely the support the back end of the boom. A topping lift seems simple and effective but could interfere with the head of the main and affect sail shape if not the right length. I also wonder what material would be best for a topping lift. Does stretch matter? 2. Does anyone have good ways to set up a mosquito net for the cabin? Thanks for any information you fine group of people can provide. The sailing season is nearly upon us. David Grah Bishop, California PS - Stan, thanks for the offer. If I was only a fisherman, I'd be in good shape! I am half thinking I like not having the number on the sail...
dave: i like the topping lift and it is what i had on my M15, and have on my M17. simple and easy. you just need to attach a bock near the top of the mast, 6" down from the top or so, and a cleat near the bottom of the mast. block and cleat on my 15 and 17 are on the starboard side of the mast. many of the boats already have a bail on the end of the boom. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Wed, 3/23/11, David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks for the help this forum is always able to provide me. I have a couple more Montgomery 15 questions for the group:
1. I'd like to have something to keep my boom up when the main is down. It seems like a topping lift, a cradle, or a boom kicker could help with this and I'd be interested in people's experiences with any of these things. I think I saw a nice wooden cradle on someone's boat at Lake Havasu but didn't figure out whose it was or find out how well it worked, where it is stored, and if it gets in the way. I have seen discussions about boom kickers but wonder how securely the support the back end of the boom. A topping lift seems simple and effective but could interfere with the head of the main and affect sail shape if not the right length. I also wonder what material would be best for a topping lift. Does stretch matter?
2. Does anyone have good ways to set up a mosquito net for the cabin?
Thanks for any information you fine group of people can provide. The sailing season is nearly upon us.
David Grah Bishop, California
PS - Stan, thanks for the offer. If I was only a fisherman, I'd be in good shape! I am half thinking I like not having the number on the sail...
Totally agree. Very easy to do. You need a cheek block for the top of the mast. One of the H233 cheek blocks such as the one on this page http://www.apsltd.com/c-442-harkensmallboatblocks.aspx <http://www.apsltd.com/c-442-harkensmallboatblocks.aspx>You attach to the mast with rivets or machine screws. I like machine screws. I typically use #8 or #10 size screws on my boat, along with the correct drill bit and tap. Very satisfying to do, and easy. Run the line as Dave suggests, and clip to the back of the boom. When sailing, just slack the lift a bit. It will not interfere with the main at all. Then tighten a bit when dropping the main. You can't live without it! Daniel On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:02 PM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
dave:
i like the topping lift and it is what i had on my M15, and have on my M17.
simple and easy.
you just need to attach a bock near the top of the mast, 6" down from the top or so, and a cleat near the bottom of the mast. block and cleat on my 15 and 17 are on the starboard side of the mast. many of the boats already have a bail on the end of the boom.
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us
--- On Wed, 3/23/11, David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks for the help this forum is always able to provide me. I have a couple more Montgomery 15 questions for the group:
1. I'd like to have something to keep my boom up when the main is down. It seems like a topping lift, a cradle, or a boom kicker could help with this and I'd be interested in people's experiences with any of these things. I think I saw a nice wooden cradle on someone's boat at Lake Havasu but didn't figure out whose it was or find out how well it worked, where it is stored, and if it gets in the way. I have seen discussions about boom kickers but wonder how securely the support the back end of the boom. A topping lift seems simple and effective but could interfere with the head of the main and affect sail shape if not the right length. I also wonder what material would be best for a topping lift. Does stretch matter?
2. Does anyone have good ways to set up a mosquito net for the cabin?
Thanks for any information you fine group of people can provide. The sailing season is nearly upon us.
David Grah Bishop, California
PS - Stan, thanks for the offer. If I was only a fisherman, I'd be in good shape! I am half thinking I like not having the number on the sail...
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David, I have designed a quick and easy 'no-see-um' net (smaller then a mosquito net) for my M-15. When I unpack my boat for the season, I will send you some pictures. Also, I may still have my 'proto-type' that I could send to you. It might be easier to see what I did, if you had a model to look at. It works very well, with these two exceptions. Make sure, there are not annoying bugs trapped inside the cabin before you seal her up and the netting does block some of the airflow from entering the cabin. I have a battery, so I installed a small fan in the cabin for those hotter, stickier nights. Skip M-15 #201 'Wild Guppy' M-10 #177 'Lil' Guppy' -----Original Message----- From: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wed, Mar 23, 2011 10:54 pm Subject: M_Boats: More Montgomery 15 Questions Thanks for the help this forum is always able to provide me. I have a couple ore Montgomery 15 questions for the group: 1. I'd like to have something to keep my boom up when the main is down. It eems like a topping lift, a cradle, or a boom kicker could help with this and 'd be interested in people's experiences with any of these things. I think I aw a nice wooden cradle on someone's boat at Lake Havasu but didn't figure out hose it was or find out how well it worked, where it is stored, and if it gets n the way. I have seen discussions about boom kickers but wonder how securely he support the back end of the boom. A topping lift seems simple and effective but could interfere with the head of the main and affect sail shape if not the ight length. I also wonder what material would be best for a topping lift. oes stretch matter? 2. Does anyone have good ways to set up a mosquito net for the cabin? Thanks for any information you fine group of people can provide. The sailing eason is nearly upon us. David Grah ishop, California PS - Stan, thanks for the offer. If I was only a fisherman, I'd be in good hape! I am half thinking I like not having the number on the sail... ______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
David, The topping lift on my M17 is made fast at the masthead and runs through a cheekblock at the end of the boom to a cleat right next to it. Just an alternate arrangement that involves less modification at the masthead. When the boom is removed you can cleat it on the downhaul cleat. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L -- Sent from my Palm Pre On Mar 23, 2011 10:54 PM, David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> wrote: Thanks for the help this forum is always able to provide me. I have a couple more Montgomery 15 questions for the group: 1. I'd like to have something to keep my boom up when the main is down. It seems like a topping lift, a cradle, or a boom kicker could help with this and I'd be interested in people's experiences with any of these things. I think I saw a nice wooden cradle on someone's boat at Lake Havasu but didn't figure out whose it was or find out how well it worked, where it is stored, and if it gets in the way. I have seen discussions about boom kickers but wonder how securely the support the back end of the boom. A topping lift seems simple and effective but could interfere with the head of the main and affect sail shape if not the right length. I also wonder what material would be best for a topping lift. Does stretch matter? 2. Does anyone have good ways to set up a mosquito net for the cabin? Thanks for any information you fine group of people can provide. The sailing season is nearly upon us. David Grah Bishop, California PS - Stan, thanks for the offer. If I was only a fisherman, I'd be in good shape! I am half thinking I like not having the number on the sail... _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
Exactly how Bob Egg rigged mine. ~~~_/)~~~ Gary Hyde, M17 #637 Sent from my iPhone :-) On Mar 24, 2011, at 3:31 AM, John Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
David,
The topping lift on my M17 is made fast at the masthead and runs through a cheekblock at the end of the boom to a cleat right next to it. Just an alternate arrangement that involves less modification at the masthead. When the boom is removed you can cleat it on the downhaul cleat.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
-- Sent from my Palm Pre On Mar 23, 2011 10:54 PM, David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks for the help this forum is always able to provide me. I have a couple
more Montgomery 15 questions for the group:
1. I'd like to have something to keep my boom up when the main is down. It
seems like a topping lift, a cradle, or a boom kicker could help with this and
I'd be interested in people's experiences with any of these things. I think I
saw a nice wooden cradle on someone's boat at Lake Havasu but didn't figure out
whose it was or find out how well it worked, where it is stored, and if it gets
in the way. I have seen discussions about boom kickers but wonder how securely
the support the back end of the boom. A topping lift seems simple and effective
but could interfere with the head of the main and affect sail shape if not the
right length. I also wonder what material would be best for a topping lift.
Does stretch matter?
2. Does anyone have good ways to set up a mosquito net for the cabin?
Thanks for any information you fine group of people can provide. The sailing
season is nearly upon us.
David Grah
Bishop, California
PS - Stan, thanks for the offer. If I was only a fisherman, I'd be in good
shape! I am half thinking I like not having the number on the sail...
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I haven't heard of anyone using my topping lift method yet. I removed the after pin on the masthead fitting, and replaced the pin through the bale of a small block. I run a small line from the end of the boom through this block and then down to a cleat about 18 inches from the bottom of the mast. The only real installation I had to do, was install the cleat with a couple of pop rivets. At the end of the boom, the topping lift attaches with a shackle. When the mast is down, I remove the topping lift line from the boom, run the bottom end of the topping lift line through the shackle, and then make it tight and fast with the cleat on the mast. That way, it travels well, and is handy when rigging the mast before launching. It's a pretty simple arrangement, and doesn't involve a lot of installation. Bill Day M-15, "Gee Whiz!" 363 On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Exactly how Bob Egg rigged mine.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Hyde, M17 #637 Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 24, 2011, at 3:31 AM, John Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
David,
The topping lift on my M17 is made fast at the masthead and runs through a cheekblock at the end of the boom to a cleat right next to it. Just an alternate arrangement that involves less modification at the masthead. When the boom is removed you can cleat it on the downhaul cleat.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
-- Sent from my Palm Pre On Mar 23, 2011 10:54 PM, David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks for the help this forum is always able to provide me. I have a couple
more Montgomery 15 questions for the group:
1. I'd like to have something to keep my boom up when the main is down. It
seems like a topping lift, a cradle, or a boom kicker could help with this and
I'd be interested in people's experiences with any of these things. I think I
saw a nice wooden cradle on someone's boat at Lake Havasu but didn't figure out
whose it was or find out how well it worked, where it is stored, and if it gets
in the way. I have seen discussions about boom kickers but wonder how securely
the support the back end of the boom. A topping lift seems simple and effective
but could interfere with the head of the main and affect sail shape if not the
right length. I also wonder what material would be best for a topping lift.
Does stretch matter?
2. Does anyone have good ways to set up a mosquito net for the cabin?
Thanks for any information you fine group of people can provide. The sailing
season is nearly upon us.
David Grah
Bishop, California
PS - Stan, thanks for the offer. If I was only a fisherman, I'd be in good
shape! I am half thinking I like not having the number on the sail...
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Hi Bill, My topping lift is similar, except I use a cheek block mounted near the masthead. I think it's the most flexible arrangement. I once used it as a substitute main halyard when I lost the real halyard up the mast. Bill Riker M15 - #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: Bill Day Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:36 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: More Montgomery 15 Questions I haven't heard of anyone using my topping lift method yet. I removed the after pin on the masthead fitting, and replaced the pin through the bale of a small block. I run a small line from the end of the boom through this block and then down to a cleat about 18 inches from the bottom of the mast. The only real installation I had to do, was install the cleat with a couple of pop rivets. At the end of the boom, the topping lift attaches with a shackle. When the mast is down, I remove the topping lift line from the boom, run the bottom end of the topping lift line through the shackle, and then make it tight and fast with the cleat on the mast. That way, it travels well, and is handy when rigging the mast before launching. It's a pretty simple arrangement, and doesn't involve a lot of installation. Bill Day M-15, "Gee Whiz!" 363 On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Exactly how Bob Egg rigged mine.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Hyde, M17 #637 Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 24, 2011, at 3:31 AM, John Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
David,
The topping lift on my M17 is made fast at the masthead and runs through a cheekblock at the end of the boom to a cleat right next to it. Just an alternate arrangement that involves less modification at the masthead. When the boom is removed you can cleat it on the downhaul cleat.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
-- Sent from my Palm Pre On Mar 23, 2011 10:54 PM, David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks for the help this forum is always able to provide me. I have a couple
more Montgomery 15 questions for the group:
1. I'd like to have something to keep my boom up when the main is down. It
seems like a topping lift, a cradle, or a boom kicker could help with this and
I'd be interested in people's experiences with any of these things. I think I
saw a nice wooden cradle on someone's boat at Lake Havasu but didn't figure out
whose it was or find out how well it worked, where it is stored, and if it gets
in the way. I have seen discussions about boom kickers but wonder how securely
the support the back end of the boom. A topping lift seems simple and effective
but could interfere with the head of the main and affect sail shape if not the
right length. I also wonder what material would be best for a topping lift.
Does stretch matter?
2. Does anyone have good ways to set up a mosquito net for the cabin?
Thanks for any information you fine group of people can provide. The sailing
season is nearly upon us.
David Grah
Bishop, California
PS - Stan, thanks for the offer. If I was only a fisherman, I'd be in good
shape! I am half thinking I like not having the number on the sail...
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Bob rigged mine too for the original owner. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L -- Sent from my Palm Pre On Mar 24, 2011 3:23 PM, Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote: Exactly how Bob Egg rigged mine. ~~~_/)~~~ Gary Hyde, M17 #637 Sent from my iPhone :-) On Mar 24, 2011, at 3:31 AM, John Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote: > David, > > The topping lift on my M17 is made fast at the masthead and runs through a cheekblock at the end of the boom to a cleat right next to it. Just an alternate arrangement that involves less modification at the masthead. When the boom is removed you can cleat it on the downhaul cleat. > > Rick > M17 #633 > Lynne L > > > > -- Sent from my Palm Pre > On Mar 23, 2011 10:54 PM, David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Thanks for the help this forum is always able to provide me. I have a couple > > more Montgomery 15 questions for the group: > > > > 1. I'd like to have something to keep my boom up when the main is down. It > > seems like a topping lift, a cradle, or a boom kicker could help with this and > > I'd be interested in people's experiences with any of these things. I think I > > saw a nice wooden cradle on someone's boat at Lake Havasu but didn't figure out > > whose it was or find out how well it worked, where it is stored, and if it gets > > in the way. I have seen discussions about boom kickers but wonder how securely > > the support the back end of the boom. A topping lift seems simple and effective > > but could interfere with the head of the main and affect sail shape if not the > > right length. I also wonder what material would be best for a topping lift. > > Does stretch matter? > > > > 2. Does anyone have good ways to set up a mosquito net for the cabin? > > > > Thanks for any information you fine group of people can provide. The sailing > > season is nearly upon us. > > > > David Grah > > Bishop, California > > > > PS - Stan, thanks for the offer. If I was only a fisherman, I'd be in good > > shape! I am half thinking I like not having the number on the sail... > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
Here are the best companionway and hatch screens going. Bug Busters. I believe West Marine carries them. http://www.sogeman.com/bugbusters-companionway-screens.html <http://www.sogeman.com/bugbusters-companionway-screens.html>We use both on our M17, and have used on larger boats as well. Bill M17 #622 Makin' Time On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:54 PM, David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks for the help this forum is always able to provide me. I have a couple more Montgomery 15 questions for the group:
1. I'd like to have something to keep my boom up when the main is down. It seems like a topping lift, a cradle, or a boom kicker could help with this and I'd be interested in people's experiences with any of these things. I think I saw a nice wooden cradle on someone's boat at Lake Havasu but didn't figure out whose it was or find out how well it worked, where it is stored, and if it gets in the way. I have seen discussions about boom kickers but wonder how securely the support the back end of the boom. A topping lift seems simple and effective but could interfere with the head of the main and affect sail shape if not the right length. I also wonder what material would be best for a topping lift. Does stretch matter?
2. Does anyone have good ways to set up a mosquito net for the cabin?
Thanks for any information you fine group of people can provide. The sailing season is nearly upon us.
David Grah Bishop, California
PS - Stan, thanks for the offer. If I was only a fisherman, I'd be in good shape! I am half thinking I like not having the number on the sail...
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I got two pieces of 1/4" ply to fit the top two drop board sections. I cut out a huge hole and sandwiched in no-see-em screening. I keep it forward under the Vberth. Joe SeaFrog M17 651 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wickett To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 10:18 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: More Montgomery 15 Questions Here are the best companionway and hatch screens going. Bug Busters. I believe West Marine carries them. http://www.sogeman.com/bugbusters-companionway-screens.html <http://www.sogeman.com/bugbusters-companionway-screens.html>We use both on our M17, and have used on larger boats as well. Bill M17 #622 Makin' Time On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:54 PM, David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks for the help this forum is always able to provide me. I have a couple more Montgomery 15 questions for the group:
1. I'd like to have something to keep my boom up when the main is down. It seems like a topping lift, a cradle, or a boom kicker could help with this and I'd be interested in people's experiences with any of these things. I think I saw a nice wooden cradle on someone's boat at Lake Havasu but didn't figure out whose it was or find out how well it worked, where it is stored, and if it gets in the way. I have seen discussions about boom kickers but wonder how securely the support the back end of the boom. A topping lift seems simple and effective but could interfere with the head of the main and affect sail shape if not the right length. I also wonder what material would be best for a topping lift. Does stretch matter?
2. Does anyone have good ways to set up a mosquito net for the cabin?
Thanks for any information you fine group of people can provide. The sailing season is nearly upon us.
David Grah Bishop, California
PS - Stan, thanks for the offer. If I was only a fisherman, I'd be in good shape! I am half thinking I like not having the number on the sail...
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