Hi Robbin, Surge brakes have their problems as well. (can't back up, etc.). It may get down to how much money you want to spend. The "best" usually costs more. The M23 is heavy enough that brakes are important, especially if navigating mountains. When we towed our M23 from Ontario, California to Golden, Colorado last October, Bob rigged the brakes so they would not engage. We towed the boat with a Toyota Tundra. The Toyota has manual shifting as well as automatic, so we used the gears quite a bit to slow us down when going down mountains. When we finish our M23, we'll more than likely just sail her locally and keep her slipped for the season, so we haven't decided whether or not to replace the brakes with a more controllable system. (We'll use out Sage 17 or M15 for traveling to distant sailing locations. Getting a little old to rig a M23 for a short sail). You can use the brakes on your truck, but it will shorten their life. The best system, in my opinion is to have a system that you can control the brakes on the trailer while driving. We have a switch in the cab that causes the brakes to engage on our other trailers so we can engage the brakes on the trailer without touching the brakes on the truck. This type of control is nice. Hope that helps. sal In a message dated 9/29/2011 6:40:13 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, robbin.roddewig@verizon.net writes: Hi all, So it appears that my new towing beast has an electric brake control. My M-23 dual axle trailer had drum brakes which are a loss (literally the right side has no parts anymore). The brake assemblies need to be replaced. I assumed before buying the beast that this would means surge hydraulic brakes. Maybe discs. But I would like any advice you folks have on going electric (trailer super store has very reasonably priced whole drum brake assemblies) versus hydraulic and disc versus drum. Since the current rusted assembly is drum would putting a whole new drum assembly on be easier? Has anyone done this kind of rehab to trailer brakes? I do car brakes of all kinds but usually am not removing everything, well sometimes but I was much younger then. Would it be a poor idea (as I assume it would) to just rely on the F-350 brakes? Hope to see some of you at Annapolis. Even considering the Good Old Boat Regatta. Robbin M-23 The Other Woman, M-10 Tonka _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
Not only will surge brakes engage if you want to back up, especially backing up hill, but if you are driving a heavy load down a steep hill, the trailer pressure on the surge system will eventually burn up your trailer brakes, even if you don't want them engaged. Back in the dark ages, when we were trailering heavy boats, the surge systems on trail-rite trailers could be disengaged with a "C-shaped" collar that you slipped over your trailer tongue in the right place. This item could not allow the surge portion to slide forward and engage. I believe electricity was invented around that time.... and I do remember a fellow in Tucson who had a M-23 who used an electric system. John in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: SALGLESSER <SALGLESSER@aol.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 7:56 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: braker braker Hi Robbin, urge brakes have their problems as well. (can't back up, etc.). It may et down to how much money you want to spend. The "best" usually costs ore. The M23 is heavy enough that brakes are important, especially if avigating mountains. hen we towed our M23 from Ontario, California to Golden, Colorado last ctober, Bob rigged the brakes so they would not engage. We towed the boat ith a Toyota Tundra. The Toyota has manual shifting as well as automatic, o we used the gears quite a bit to slow us down when going down mountains. hen we finish our M23, we'll more than likely just sail her locally and eep her slipped for the season, so we haven't decided whether or not to eplace the brakes with a more controllable system. (We'll use out Sage 17 or 15 for traveling to distant sailing locations. Getting a little old to ig a M23 for a short sail). ou can use the brakes on your truck, but it will shorten their life. The est system, in my opinion is to have a system that you can control the rakes on the trailer while driving. We have a switch in the cab that causes he brakes to engage on our other trailers so we can engage the brakes on he trailer without touching the brakes on the truck. This type of control s nice. Hope that helps. al n a message dated 9/29/2011 6:40:13 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, obbin.roddewig@verizon.net writes: Hi all, o it appears that my new towing beast has an electric brake control. y M-23 dual axle trailer had drum brakes which are a loss (literally he right side has no parts anymore). The brake assemblies need to be eplaced. I assumed before buying the beast that this would means surge ydraulic brakes. Maybe discs. But I would like any advice you folks ave on going electric (trailer super store has very reasonably priced hole drum brake assemblies) versus hydraulic and disc versus drum. ince the current rusted assembly is drum would putting a whole new drum ssembly on be easier? Has anyone done this kind of rehab to trailer rakes? I do car brakes of all kinds but usually am not removing verything, well sometimes but I was much younger then. ould it be a poor idea (as I assume it would) to just rely on the F-350 rakes? Hope to see some of you at Annapolis. Even considering the Good Old oat Regatta. Robbin -23 The Other Woman, M-10 Tonka _______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
John, My 1978 Nor'Sea 27 rig weighed some 5 tons, including an EZ Loader trailer with surge brakes. Evidently different surge units are adjusted differently, because I could back up my rather steep driveway without lockup, and the brakes did not drag on the steepest grades unless I tapped my truck brakes. A little goose of the gas pedal freed the trailer brakes again if I wanted to cool them for a distance. As for the Pacific trailer I inherited with my M17, it came with no brakes, but I installed surge brakes, and they were too sensitive to back up any incline. Fortunately, Pacific sells a retrofit electric release that I wired to the backup lights, and it seems to work fine. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla (2004) On Sep 29, 2011, at 9:18 AM, jslubliner@aol.com wrote:
Not only will surge brakes engage if you want to back up, especially backing up hill, but if you are driving a heavy load down a steep hill, the trailer pressure on the surge system will eventually burn up your trailer brakes, even if you don't want them engaged.
Back in the dark ages, when we were trailering heavy boats, the surge systems on trail-rite trailers could be disengaged with a "C- shaped" collar that you slipped over your trailer tongue in the right place. This item could not allow the surge portion to slide forward and engage. I believe electricity was invented around that time.... and I do remember a fellow in Tucson who had a M-23 who used an electric system.
John in Tucson
-----Original Message----- From: SALGLESSER <SALGLESSER@aol.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 7:56 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: braker braker
Hi Robbin,
urge brakes have their problems as well. (can't back up, etc.). It may et down to how much money you want to spend. The "best" usually costs ore. The M23 is heavy enough that brakes are important, especially if avigating mountains.
hen we towed our M23 from Ontario, California to Golden, Colorado last ctober, Bob rigged the brakes so they would not engage. We towed the boat ith a Toyota Tundra. The Toyota has manual shifting as well as automatic, o we used the gears quite a bit to slow us down when going down mountains.
hen we finish our M23, we'll more than likely just sail her locally and eep her slipped for the season, so we haven't decided whether or not to eplace the brakes with a more controllable system. (We'll use out Sage 17 or 15 for traveling to distant sailing locations. Getting a little old to ig a M23 for a short sail).
ou can use the brakes on your truck, but it will shorten their life. The est system, in my opinion is to have a system that you can control the rakes on the trailer while driving. We have a switch in the cab that causes he brakes to engage on our other trailers so we can engage the brakes on he trailer without touching the brakes on the truck. This type of control s nice. Hope that helps.
al
n a message dated 9/29/2011 6:40:13 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, obbin.roddewig@verizon.net writes: Hi all, o it appears that my new towing beast has an electric brake control. y M-23 dual axle trailer had drum brakes which are a loss (literally he right side has no parts anymore). The brake assemblies need to be eplaced. I assumed before buying the beast that this would means surge ydraulic brakes. Maybe discs. But I would like any advice you folks ave on going electric (trailer super store has very reasonably priced hole drum brake assemblies) versus hydraulic and disc versus drum. ince the current rusted assembly is drum would putting a whole new drum ssembly on be easier? Has anyone done this kind of rehab to trailer rakes? I do car brakes of all kinds but usually am not removing verything, well sometimes but I was much younger then. ould it be a poor idea (as I assume it would) to just rely on the F-350 rakes? Hope to see some of you at Annapolis. Even considering the Good Old oat Regatta. Robbin -23 The Other Woman, M-10 Tonka _______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
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